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2. 08:07 AM - magnetic connectors,, (b young)
3. 08:21 AM - headsets (b young)
4. 08:56 AM - Re: Headset Modification (Charlie England)
5. 09:42 AM - Re: Dual throttle controls (Frankd)
6. 08:52 PM - Things are warming up in Minnesota (west1m)
7. 09:21 PM - Re: Things are warming up in Minnesota (John Hauck)
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| Subject: | Re: Headset Modification |
Charlie
=C2-
The earbuds that I reference in the video are the in ear canal, rubber type
that cost $10 at Walmart. Perhaps I used the wrong term but I assumed that
all the "thingys" that you put in your ear were called earbuds. Sorry for
the confusion. Whatever they are called, they work better for me than expen
sive headsets.
=C2-
Malcolm
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlie England" <ceengland7@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 8:35:52 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Headset Modification
Larry,
Might be worth a call to QT. He's 'local' for me, and I bought mine by walk
ing into his office. Nice guy & would probably work with you on the issues.
I haven't used mine in an open cockpit, so don't know about whether wind w
ould affect boom position (but suspect that it should remove it from your h
ead before it actually bends the boom, assuming that it isn't defective). N
o experience with open cockpit wind noise on the mic either (except getting
it in the flow of the cockpit vent, which triggers *any* mic), but I have
heard of some people getting the boom on backward & talking into the noise
cancelling port instead of the front of the mic. Might be worth a check. Al
so, if the port gets clogged with debris it will kill the noise cancelling
function of the mic.
Agree that active noise cancelling doesn't do that much in open cockpit; mo
st of the problem is wind noise, which is *much* higher frequency than even
a 2 stroke. That's where good physical seal and a bit of mass really help.
John,
Are you talking about iphone/mp3 player type buds that basically hang in yo
ur ear? If so, be aware that using those inside a set of regular headphones
will not reduce noise much if any over the headphones alone. Yes, you will
likely be able to hear better than with headphones alone (for a short time
), but all you're doing is making the volume of the radio reception louder,
which is *adding* to the ear's total noise exposure. Any of us who have fl
own for a number of years, and/or abused our ears in other ways (I did conc
ert sound work in one of my previous lives) need to not just hear today's r
adio comm, but keep whatever hearing we have left. :-) There are in-ear mod
els that actually 'plug' your ear just like industrial earplugs (not as che
ap), or you can have custom molded inserts made, (not cheap at all). What's
your remaining hearing worth?
As to noise levels in RVs vs Kolbs, I can't compare. But I have flown in th
e back seat of an Aircam with two 912s. Didn't seem that bad at the time, b
ut maybe the 912s were cancelling each other. Or I was having too much fun
to notice the noise...
Charlie
On 3/10/2015 5:11 PM, John Hauck wrote:
Larry C:
=C2-
Sounds great. =C2- Got to get me some "cheap" ear buds and go to work.
=C2- I have several DC and Sigtronic headsets to play with.
=C2-
My hearing has gotten so bad and the noise level is so great in the MKIII i
t takes the fun out of flying. =C2- Biggest complaint I have trying to kn
ock out 8 hour flight days. =C2- Noise is extremely fatiguing.
=C2-
BTW: =C2- No cockpit noise comparison between a Kolb and an RV4. =C2- K
olb is much, much louder and of a much higher frequency, engine and prop.
=C2- Pushers are normally much louder inside as well as outside the cockp
it. =C2- Irritates me how quiet my friends RANS S7 is with the same engin
e and prop I am flying. =C2- ;-)
=C2-
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
=C2-
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [ mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@
matronics.com ] On Behalf Of Larry Cottrell
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Headset Modification
=C2-
=C2-
=C2-
On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Charlie England < ceengland7@gmail.com > w
rote:
I fly an RV-4 using a QT Halo earplug style headset, and it is quite a bit
quieter than the old Lightspeed 15's (active noise cancelling) I used to us
e. The Halo actually has the speaker elements mounted on the headband, with
small tubing connecting to the ear plugs. I would have thought that the Cl
arity Aloft would be even quieter. Are you sure you had a good seal between
the ear plugs and your ear canal?=C2-
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------------------------
I just finished modifying my Sig S45 headset with a set of "ear buds". Usin
g a "pencil solder gun" I had no problem at all with soldering the wires? t
o the speaker. Perhaps it was the type of flux core solder that I had.
=C2-
I also bought the QT Halo headset, and I liked it for the most part. I had
no problem hearing the radio, in fact I had to turn it down quite a bit, an
d the best part is that I could listen to my music while flying. Not very s
atisfying with a normal headset. I however was not a fan of the mic. I put
an Oregon Areo mic cover on it and it helped a lot, but the "boom for the m
ic was as limp as 30 day old celery. I finally taped it to some alum wire t
o give it a bit of a spine. Other wise I had to hold it in front of my mout
h if I wanted to talk to some one. My cockpit is just a cover (factory wrap
around) over the area that I sit. If I turned my head it would crack the s
quelch and I would get a shot of full motor noise. So it was necessary to t
urn up the squelch a lot to keep it from cracking.
=C2-
You asked about seal, and I did have a good seal, but you also pick up ambi
ent noise through the bones that surround your ear as well. While I could h
ear great, I felt that the noise of that HKS was still too loud. I was cons
idering =C2-using a set of ear muffs to help with the noise. To be clear-
I never had any problem with hearing the radio or my music. My wife howeve
r often mentioned the motor noise was quite loud, and there was occasional
static. ( I think that there are better mic's out there than the one that t
hey use.)
=C2-
I have a base station here at the house so I can talk with the wife to get
her input on clarity on her end of the conversation. =C2-
=C2-
I decided to try adding the ear buds to my Sig S45's. I have found them to
be the best option for me even over ANR headsets. ( The ANR is set for GA a
nd works best on the 2400 RPM's of those engines. Ours turning 6000 RPM, ar
e out of the range that they generally work best at.)
=C2-
However wearing glasses I was not happy with the noise even with gel ear se
als on the S 45's. I felt that I had to turn the sounds that I wanted to he
ar up to the point that my old experienced ears would be still getting dama
ging noise levels. I could not hear my music very well and if I played it a
s loud as I needed to hear it at all in the plane, it would cause me to win
ce at that level out of the plane.=C2-
=C2-
After completing the modification I rolled the plane out for some touch and
go's. I plugged the ear buds in, covered my ears with the headset, and fou
nd that I had to turn the volume down on both the headset and the music rad
io for the first time. The noise level was substantially reduced from both
the Halo set and the S45 before modification, with the ear buds. Upon landi
ng my wife also confirmed that on her end the transmissions were a lot clea
rer, louder and without static.=C2-
=C2-
I will be using my Halo set as a backup. There was that much improvement.
=C2-
Thanks Malcom.
=C2-
Larry
===
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| Subject: | magnetic connectors,, |
Richard
that is what I spent time looking for a while back.... I think you could p
ut one of these on the inside or out side of the headset, then would not h
ave to worry about wire breakage. and it would not interfere with normal
use of the headset.
thanks boyd
>You got me browsing for magnetic connectors and found a web page for peopl
e who
>go to cosplay events and make their own clothing with lights embedded
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a friend of mine has a halo style headset that is blue tooth capable, whi
le he is in the air in his crop duster he can make and receive phone calls.
he loves it. I was left with the impression it was in the 600 dollar ne
ighborhood.... ouch... niche market
boyd
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| Subject: | Re: Headset Modification |
Hi Malcolm,
I don't think you used the wrong term; it's just that there probably
isn't a universally accepted convention of terms and I was trying to be
sure that any late adopters understood the difference between typical
hang-in-the-ear style buds that come with iphones, etc, and 'plug' style
devices that actually seal into the ear canal.
Charlie
On 3/11/2015 9:34 AM, gliderx5@comcast.net wrote:
> Charlie
> The earbuds that I reference in the video are the in ear canal, rubber
> type that cost $10 at Walmart. Perhaps I used the wrong term but I
> assumed that all the "thingys" that you put in your ear were called
> earbuds. Sorry for the confusion. Whatever they are called, they work
> better for me than expensive headsets.
> Malcolm
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From: *"Charlie England" <ceengland7@gmail.com>
> *To: *"kolb-list" <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 10, 2015 8:35:52 PM
> *Subject: *Re: Kolb-List: Headset Modification
>
> Larry,
>
> Might be worth a call to QT. He's 'local' for me, and I bought mine by
> walking into his office. Nice guy & would probably work with you on
> the issues. I haven't used mine in an open cockpit, so don't know
> about whether wind would affect boom position (but suspect that it
> should remove it from your head before it actually bends the boom,
> assuming that it isn't defective). No experience with open cockpit
> wind noise on the mic either (except getting it in the flow of the
> cockpit vent, which triggers *any* mic), but I have heard of some
> people getting the boom on backward & talking into the noise
> cancelling port instead of the front of the mic. Might be worth a
> check. Also, if the port gets clogged with debris it will kill the
> noise cancelling function of the mic.
>
> Agree that active noise cancelling doesn't do that much in open
> cockpit; most of the problem is wind noise, which is *much* higher
> frequency than even a 2 stroke. That's where good physical seal and a
> bit of mass really help.
>
> John,
>
> Are you talking about iphone/mp3 player type buds that basically hang
> in your ear? If so, be aware that using those inside a set of regular
> headphones will not reduce noise much if any over the headphones
> alone. Yes, you will likely be able to hear better than with
> headphones alone (for a short time), but all you're doing is making
> the volume of the radio reception louder, which is *adding* to the
> ear's total noise exposure. Any of us who have flown for a number of
> years, and/or abused our ears in other ways (I did concert sound work
> in one of my previous lives) need to not just hear today's radio comm,
> but keep whatever hearing we have left. :-) There are in-ear models
> that actually 'plug' your ear just like industrial earplugs (not as
> cheap), or you can have custom molded inserts made, (not cheap at
> all). What's your remaining hearing worth?
>
> As to noise levels in RVs vs Kolbs, I can't compare. But I have flown
> in the back seat of an Aircam with two 912s. Didn't seem that bad at
> the time, but maybe the 912s were cancelling each other. Or I was
> having too much fun to notice the noise...
>
> Charlie
>
> On 3/10/2015 5:11 PM, John Hauck wrote:
>
> Larry C:
>
> Sounds great.Got to get me some "cheap" ear buds and go to work.I
> have several DC and Sigtronic headsets to play with.
>
> My hearing has gotten so bad and the noise level is so great in
> the MKIII it takes the fun out of flying.Biggest complaint I have
> trying to knock out 8 hour flight days.Noise is extremely fatiguing.
>
> BTW:No cockpit noise comparison between a Kolb and an RV4.Kolb is
> much, much louder and of a much higher frequency, engine and
> prop.Pushers are normally much louder inside as well as outside
> the cockpit.Irritates me how quiet my friends RANS S7 is with the
> same engine and prop I am flying.;-)
>
> john h
>
> mkIII
>
> Titus, Alabama
>
> *From:*owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Larry
> Cottrell
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2015 4:14 PM
> *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Kolb-List: Headset Modification
>
> On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Charlie England
> <ceengland7@gmail.com <mailto:ceengland7@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
> I fly an RV-4 using a QT Halo earplug style headset, and it is
> quite a bit quieter than the old Lightspeed 15's (active noise
> cancelling) I used to use. The Halo actually has the speaker
> elements mounted on the headband, with small tubing connecting to
> the ear plugs. I would have thought that the Clarity Aloft would
> be even quieter. Are you sure you had a good seal between the ear
> plugs and your ear canal?
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> I just finished modifying my Sig S45 headset with a set of "ear
> buds". Using a "pencil solder gun" I had no problem at all with
> soldering the wires? to the speaker. Perhaps it was the type of
> flux core solder that I had.
>
> I also bought the QT Halo headset, and I liked it for the most
> part. I had no problem hearing the radio, in fact I had to turn it
> down quite a bit, and the best part is that I could listen to my
> music while flying. Not very satisfying with a normal headset. I
> however was not a fan of the mic. I put an Oregon Areo mic cover
> on it and it helped a lot, but the "boom for the mic was as limp
> as 30 day old celery. I finally taped it to some alum wire to give
> it a bit of a spine. Other wise I had to hold it in front of my
> mouth if I wanted to talk to some one. My cockpit is just a cover
> (factory wrap around) over the area that I sit. If I turned my
> head it would crack the squelch and I would get a shot of full
> motor noise. So it was necessary to turn up the squelch a lot to
> keep it from cracking.
>
> You asked about seal, and I did have a good seal, but you also
> pick up ambient noise through the bones that surround your ear as
> well. While I could hear great, I felt that the noise of that HKS
> was still too loud. I was considering using a set of ear muffs to
> help with the noise. To be clear- I never had any problem with
> hearing the radio or my music. My wife however often mentioned the
> motor noise was quite loud, and there was occasional static. ( I
> think that there are better mic's out there than the one that they
> use.)
>
> I have a base station here at the house so I can talk with the
> wife to get her input on clarity on her end of the conversation.
>
> I decided to try adding the ear buds to my Sig S45's. I have found
> them to be the best option for me even over ANR headsets. ( The
> ANR is set for GA and works best on the 2400 RPM's of those
> engines. Ours turning 6000 RPM, are out of the range that they
> generally work best at.)
>
> However wearing glasses I was not happy with the noise even with
> gel ear seals on the S 45's. I felt that I had to turn the sounds
> that I wanted to hear up to the point that my old experienced ears
> would be still getting damaging noise levels. I could not hear my
> music very well and if I played it as loud as I needed to hear it
> at all in the plane, it would cause me to wince at that level out
> of the plane.
>
> After completing the modification I rolled the plane out for some
> touch and go's. I plugged the ear buds in, covered my ears with
> the headset, and found that I had to turn the volume down on both
> the headset and the music radio for the first time. The noise
> level was substantially reduced from both the Halo set and the S45
> before modification, with the ear buds. Upon landing my wife also
> confirmed that on her end the transmissions were a lot clearer,
> louder and without static.
>
> I will be using my Halo set as a backup. There was that much
> improvement.
>
> Thanks Malcom.
>
> Larry
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dual throttle controls |
Guideman,
I don't have pics , will have to take some. I'll see if I can find the drawings
Frankd
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| Subject: | Things are warming up in Minnesota |
After taking up space for a year or so I finally got to fly my Firefly today.
A short trip around the block but was much fun for my first flight since purchasing
it a year ago.
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Hastings, MN
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| Subject: | Things are warming up in Minnesota |
Proud of you.
Looks cold up there.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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Subject: Kolb-List: Things are warming up in Minnesota
After taking up space for a year or so I finally got to fly my Firefly
today.
A short trip around the block but was much fun for my first flight since
purchasing it a year ago.
--------
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Hastings, MN
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