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1. 06:43 AM - Re: Tail Heavy (Richard Pike)
2. 07:35 AM - Re: MK 111 rebuild (Richard Pike)
3. 07:42 AM - Re: Re: MK 111 rebuild (John Hauck)
4. 11:22 AM - Re: Re: MK 111 rebuild (Rick Neilsen)
5. 01:30 PM - Re: MK 111 rebuild (pipercolt)
6. 01:30 PM - Re: MK 111 rebuild (pipercolt)
7. 04:43 PM - Re: Re: MK 111 rebuild (John Hauck)
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Trimming the ailerons and flaps up or down moves the center of pressure forward
or aft on the wing. Droop them, and the center of pressure, (lift) moves back
and the airplane becomes more nose heavy. Reflex them up and the center of pressure
(lift) moves forward and the airplane becomes more tail heavy. That is
why I modified my MKIII flap lever; so I could fine tune trim depending on passenger
load.
http://oh2fly.net/oldpoops/pg3.htm
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, 'Thy will be done,' and those
to whom God says, 'All right, then, have it your way.'
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Subject: | Re: MK 111 rebuild |
I got one of those batteries, and it is awesome! Shorai Lithium Iron battery, 14
Amp Hour, 210 CCA, and weighs 1.5 pounds.
That's right, 1.5 pounds. With that little weight, you won't have to do a great
deal of reinforcing if you move it to the nose.
http://oh2fly.net/oldpoops/pg9.htm
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, 'Thy will be done,' and those
to whom God says, 'All right, then, have it your way.'
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=440700#440700
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Subject: | Re: MK 111 rebuild |
You'll have more weight in cable than battery if it is relocated to the
nose.
I think the numbers on a Kolb W&B weigh more than the actual "aft CG"
problem.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Pike
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2015 9:35 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: MK 111 rebuild
--> <thegreybaron@charter.net>
I got one of those batteries, and it is awesome! Shorai Lithium Iron
battery, 14 Amp Hour, 210 CCA, and weighs 1.5 pounds.
That's right, 1.5 pounds. With that little weight, you won't have to do a
great deal of reinforcing if you move it to the nose.
http://oh2fly.net/oldpoops/pg9.htm
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, 'Thy will be done,' and
those to whom God says, 'All right, then, have it your way.'
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=440700#440700
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Subject: | Re: MK 111 rebuild |
John
I figure my battery cables are two-three feet longer attaching to my nose
cone mounted battery than they would be if they were attached to the
battery behind the seat. What size cables do you use. Figuring three feet
of cable weighing more than a 12-14 lb battery, those must be mighty big
cables.
I also switched to a Lithium Iron battery (another brand also less than 2
lb) last summer. The cables are still less than half the weight of that
battery. The two lb. battery and app one pound of cables still helps my
weight and balance.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
On Sun, Apr 12, 2015 at 10:41 AM, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
>
> You'll have more weight in cable than battery if it is relocated to the
> nose.
>
> I think the numbers on a Kolb W&B weigh more than the actual "aft CG"
> problem.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Pike
> Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2015 9:35 AM
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: MK 111 rebuild
>
> --> <thegreybaron@charter.net>
>
> I got one of those batteries, and it is awesome! Shorai Lithium Iron
> battery, 14 Amp Hour, 210 CCA, and weighs 1.5 pounds.
> That's right, 1.5 pounds. With that little weight, you won't have to do a
> great deal of reinforcing if you move it to the nose.
> http://oh2fly.net/oldpoops/pg9.htm
>
> --------
> Richard Pike
> Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> Kingsport, TN 3TN0
> There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, 'Thy will be done,'
> and
> those to whom God says, 'All right, then, have it your way.'
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=440700#440700
>
>
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Subject: | Re: MK 111 rebuild |
Hi Neil
What size battery cable did you use? Yes Richard, that is the battery I was thinking
of. Isn't it funny how many years ago when I was flying corporate we used
NiCad batteries and every so often we totally discharged them and then recharged
them. How theories have changed.
Bob
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Subject: | Re: MK 111 rebuild |
Hi Neil
What size battery cable did you use? Yes Richard, that is the battery I was thinking
of. Isn't it funny how many years ago when I was flying corporate we used
NiCad batteries and every so often we totally discharged them and then recharged
them. How theories have changed.
Bob
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Subject: | Re: MK 111 rebuild |
Wellreckon I should have put smiley faces on my post,
or some such.
Why would someone put the battery in the nose if it is not necessary?
Why would someone put a 2 lb bat in the nose and run extra battery
cable? Cost more, weighs more, and every inch means a little more
voltage drop.
Remember, my comments are for myself. I don't care what you all do with
your airplanes.
I find it amusing that folks add weight to the nose of a Kolb, but bust
their ass to try and save a couple washers to reduce weight. ;-)
This comment below goes right along with the subject above.
Miss P'fer is on her newly overhauled gear. Brian did a super job of
straightening the sagging twisted gear legs. She looks and sits like
she did when she was new. Still have to put the seats back in, hook up
the power pack for the Whelen Strobes, and replace a bunch of tie wraps
that got cut to remove and replace the wheels, brakes, and gear legs.
Never goes back together easy after it is cut apart and welded, but
Dennis did a great job and I was able to get all the bolts back in.
Sure feels good.
Now I need some good weather to clean her up and do a lot of test
flying, for me and the airplane. Forecast rain all week at hauck's
holler.
Plan to depart to Lakeland Monday, 20 April. Hope to see a bunch of you
all down there.
BTW: I don't know how much my battery weighs or how big the battery
cables are, but I can pick them up with two hands if I grunt a little.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Neilsen
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2015 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: MK 111 rebuild
John
I figure my battery cables are two-three feet longer attaching to my
nose cone mounted battery than they would be if they were attached to
the battery behind the seat. What size cables do you use. Figuring three
feet of cable weighing more than a 12-14 lb battery, those must be
mighty big cables.
I also switched to a Lithium Iron battery (another brand also less than
2 lb) last summer. The cables are still less than half the weight of
that battery. The two lb. battery and app one pound of cables still
helps my weight and balance.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
On Sun, Apr 12, 2015 at 10:41 AM, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
wrote:
You'll have more weight in cable than battery if it is relocated to the
nose.
I think the numbers on a Kolb W&B weigh more than the actual "aft CG"
problem.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Pike
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2015 9:35 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: MK 111 rebuild
--> <thegreybaron@charter.net>
I got one of those batteries, and it is awesome! Shorai Lithium Iron
battery, 14 Amp Hour, 210 CCA, and weighs 1.5 pounds.
That's right, 1.5 pounds. With that little weight, you won't have to do
a
great deal of reinforcing if you move it to the nose.
http://oh2fly.net/oldpoops/pg9.htm
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
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