---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 04/12/15: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:43 AM - Re: Tail Heavy (Richard Pike) 2. 07:35 AM - Re: MK 111 rebuild (Richard Pike) 3. 07:42 AM - Re: Re: MK 111 rebuild (John Hauck) 4. 11:22 AM - Re: Re: MK 111 rebuild (Rick Neilsen) 5. 01:30 PM - Re: MK 111 rebuild (pipercolt) 6. 01:30 PM - Re: MK 111 rebuild (pipercolt) 7. 04:43 PM - Re: Re: MK 111 rebuild (John Hauck) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:43:54 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Tail Heavy From: "Richard Pike" Trimming the ailerons and flaps up or down moves the center of pressure forward or aft on the wing. Droop them, and the center of pressure, (lift) moves back and the airplane becomes more nose heavy. Reflex them up and the center of pressure (lift) moves forward and the airplane becomes more tail heavy. That is why I modified my MKIII flap lever; so I could fine tune trim depending on passenger load. http://oh2fly.net/oldpoops/pg3.htm -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Kingsport, TN 3TN0 There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, 'Thy will be done,' and those to whom God says, 'All right, then, have it your way.' Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=440696#440696 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:35:42 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: MK 111 rebuild From: "Richard Pike" I got one of those batteries, and it is awesome! Shorai Lithium Iron battery, 14 Amp Hour, 210 CCA, and weighs 1.5 pounds. That's right, 1.5 pounds. With that little weight, you won't have to do a great deal of reinforcing if you move it to the nose. http://oh2fly.net/oldpoops/pg9.htm -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Kingsport, TN 3TN0 There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, 'Thy will be done,' and those to whom God says, 'All right, then, have it your way.' Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=440700#440700 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:42:27 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: MK 111 rebuild You'll have more weight in cable than battery if it is relocated to the nose. I think the numbers on a Kolb W&B weigh more than the actual "aft CG" problem. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Pike Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2015 9:35 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: MK 111 rebuild --> I got one of those batteries, and it is awesome! Shorai Lithium Iron battery, 14 Amp Hour, 210 CCA, and weighs 1.5 pounds. That's right, 1.5 pounds. With that little weight, you won't have to do a great deal of reinforcing if you move it to the nose. http://oh2fly.net/oldpoops/pg9.htm -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Kingsport, TN 3TN0 There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, 'Thy will be done,' and those to whom God says, 'All right, then, have it your way.' Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=440700#440700 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:22:52 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: MK 111 rebuild From: Rick Neilsen John I figure my battery cables are two-three feet longer attaching to my nose cone mounted battery than they would be if they were attached to the battery behind the seat. What size cables do you use. Figuring three feet of cable weighing more than a 12-14 lb battery, those must be mighty big cables. I also switched to a Lithium Iron battery (another brand also less than 2 lb) last summer. The cables are still less than half the weight of that battery. The two lb. battery and app one pound of cables still helps my weight and balance. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIC On Sun, Apr 12, 2015 at 10:41 AM, John Hauck wrote: > > You'll have more weight in cable than battery if it is relocated to the > nose. > > I think the numbers on a Kolb W&B weigh more than the actual "aft CG" > problem. > > john h > mkIII > Titus, Alabama > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Pike > Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2015 9:35 AM > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: MK 111 rebuild > > --> > > I got one of those batteries, and it is awesome! Shorai Lithium Iron > battery, 14 Amp Hour, 210 CCA, and weighs 1.5 pounds. > That's right, 1.5 pounds. With that little weight, you won't have to do a > great deal of reinforcing if you move it to the nose. > http://oh2fly.net/oldpoops/pg9.htm > > -------- > Richard Pike > Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > Kingsport, TN 3TN0 > There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, 'Thy will be done,' > and > those to whom God says, 'All right, then, have it your way.' > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=440700#440700 > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:30:35 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: MK 111 rebuild From: "pipercolt" Hi Neil What size battery cable did you use? Yes Richard, that is the battery I was thinking of. Isn't it funny how many years ago when I was flying corporate we used NiCad batteries and every so often we totally discharged them and then recharged them. How theories have changed. Bob Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=440726#440726 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:30:41 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: MK 111 rebuild From: "pipercolt" Hi Neil What size battery cable did you use? Yes Richard, that is the battery I was thinking of. Isn't it funny how many years ago when I was flying corporate we used NiCad batteries and every so often we totally discharged them and then recharged them. How theories have changed. Bob Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=440727#440727 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:43:34 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: MK 111 rebuild Wellreckon I should have put smiley faces on my post, or some such. Why would someone put the battery in the nose if it is not necessary? Why would someone put a 2 lb bat in the nose and run extra battery cable? Cost more, weighs more, and every inch means a little more voltage drop. Remember, my comments are for myself. I don't care what you all do with your airplanes. I find it amusing that folks add weight to the nose of a Kolb, but bust their ass to try and save a couple washers to reduce weight. ;-) This comment below goes right along with the subject above. Miss P'fer is on her newly overhauled gear. Brian did a super job of straightening the sagging twisted gear legs. She looks and sits like she did when she was new. Still have to put the seats back in, hook up the power pack for the Whelen Strobes, and replace a bunch of tie wraps that got cut to remove and replace the wheels, brakes, and gear legs. Never goes back together easy after it is cut apart and welded, but Dennis did a great job and I was able to get all the bolts back in. Sure feels good. Now I need some good weather to clean her up and do a lot of test flying, for me and the airplane. Forecast rain all week at hauck's holler. Plan to depart to Lakeland Monday, 20 April. Hope to see a bunch of you all down there. BTW: I don't know how much my battery weighs or how big the battery cables are, but I can pick them up with two hands if I grunt a little. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Neilsen Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2015 1:23 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: MK 111 rebuild John I figure my battery cables are two-three feet longer attaching to my nose cone mounted battery than they would be if they were attached to the battery behind the seat. What size cables do you use. Figuring three feet of cable weighing more than a 12-14 lb battery, those must be mighty big cables. I also switched to a Lithium Iron battery (another brand also less than 2 lb) last summer. The cables are still less than half the weight of that battery. The two lb. battery and app one pound of cables still helps my weight and balance. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIC On Sun, Apr 12, 2015 at 10:41 AM, John Hauck wrote: You'll have more weight in cable than battery if it is relocated to the nose. I think the numbers on a Kolb W&B weigh more than the actual "aft CG" problem. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Pike Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2015 9:35 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: MK 111 rebuild --> I got one of those batteries, and it is awesome! Shorai Lithium Iron battery, 14 Amp Hour, 210 CCA, and weighs 1.5 pounds. That's right, 1.5 pounds. With that little weight, you won't have to do a great deal of reinforcing if you move it to the nose. http://oh2fly.net/oldpoops/pg9.htm -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Kingsport, TN 3TN0 There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, 'Thy will be done,' and those to whom God says, 'All right, then, have it your way.' 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