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1. 09:15 AM - second chantz chutes (crankpot)
2. 09:35 AM - Kolb Firestar parts (Herb)
3. 10:10 AM - for sale... kolb ultrastar..price reduced (crankpot)
4. 10:58 AM - Firefly/447 RPM question (Stuart Harner)
5. 12:43 PM - Re: Firefly/447 RPM question (olendorf)
6. 03:18 PM - Re: Re: Firefly/447 RPM question (Herb)
7. 03:38 PM - Re: Re: Firefly/447 RPM question (Stuart Harner)
8. 05:22 PM - Re: Re: Firefly/447 RPM question (Stuart Harner)
9. 05:43 PM - Re: Re: Firefly/447 RPM question (Herb)
10. 06:13 PM - Re: Re: Firefly/447 RPM question (kinne russ)
11. 07:19 PM - Re: Re: Firefly/447 RPM question (Herb)
12. 07:26 PM - Re: Re: Firefly/447 RPM question (undoctor)
13. 08:39 PM - Re: Firefly/447 RPM question (Airknocker)
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Subject: | second chantz chutes |
Anyone used them in recent years?
I cant find anything on the internet except some 5 year old posts on a website.
Difficult to reach them via phone as well. Just wondering...
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1984 kolb ultrstar
Former 1997 kolb firestat
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Subject: | Kolb Firestar parts |
Kolbers and Kolbettes....
with the collection of Free Firestar parts...I now have a good ,
rebuilt set of wings...and Tail feathers...so...need a repairable
Fuselage...Herb
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Subject: | for sale... kolb ultrastar..price reduced |
1984 vintage ultrastar. Good wings and tail.
Fuselage rough with some rust and a couple bent tubes but easily repairable.
Save yourself hundreds of hours.
Includes manuals and prints and some spares..no engine tho.
Located in Jupiter fl
Asking $1500. Will trade for something of equal value.
Thanks for reading
Bob
Do not archive
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1984 kolb ultrstar
Former 1997 kolb firestat
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Subject: | Firefly/447 RPM question |
Guys,
Here is a question for those that have a Firefly with a Rotax 447.
Assuming a properly dialed in propeller with a static full throttle output
of 6300 RPM, what do you usually see at straight and level cruise RPM and
speed?
For that matter, if you have any information of what airspeeds to expect at
different throttle settings (straight and level) I would appreciate knowing
what others are seeing.
I have been up a for a couple of short flights this spring and it seems to
me that a comfortable airspeed is between 55 and 60 indicated, but that
seems to be in the 4800 RPM range which is still giving me high EGT's. I
moved the needle clip down (more rich) one notch and that helped a lot. Now
when I get a warning at mid-range, I just add a little "choke" to take care
of it. I expect this problem to go away with warmer temps, but may have to
fuss with the pitch a little.
I need MUCH more time in the air to sort this stuff all out, but the weather
has not been cooperating very well.
Any numbers you can give me for comparison/starting points would be
appreciated.
Thanks,
Stuart
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Subject: | Re: Firefly/447 RPM question |
It all depends on what size prop you have. And the drag of your craft.
I find 4800rpms to be just about the hot spot for my EGTs also. 4600-4800. I
try to stay out of that range. I usually cruise around about 5500-5800rpm which
provides 53-58mph airspeed.
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Scott Olendorf
Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop
Schenectady, NY
http://sites.google.com/site/kolbfirestar/
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Subject: | Re: Firefly/447 RPM question |
Remember also...Stuart,,,that engine is not broken in...rings will seat
in the 40+ hour range..temps usually drop...cht and egt...
I cruised in the 5600 range and saw high 50's to low 60's using a
three blade IVO..Herb
On 04/24/2015 02:42 PM, olendorf wrote:
>
> It all depends on what size prop you have. And the drag of your craft.
> I find 4800rpms to be just about the hot spot for my EGTs also. 4600-4800.
I try to stay out of that range. I usually cruise around about 5500-5800rpm which
provides 53-58mph airspeed.
>
> --------
> Scott Olendorf
> Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop
> Schenectady, NY
> http://sites.google.com/site/kolbfirestar/
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=441248#441248
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Firefly/447 RPM question |
Thanks Scott. I have a 3 blade 60" Warp Drive at 7.5 of pitch. The amount
of drag is a little harder to figure. I have the short windshield, double
struts, and the larger wheels with brakes.
Less pitch will give more RPM but less thrust so that may be the way to go.
There is no shortage of thrust, that's for sure!
I need to go back and review to see if less pitch increases EGT or if I need
a little more.
I have had it up to 70 IAS in a descent and that seemed "uncomfortable" to
me. Maybe I am just not used to it yet, but I really like the way it
"feels" between 55 and 60.
Someone else said "climb at 50, cruise at 50 and approach at 50" or
something like that. So far that seems to fit. I didn't build it to travel
with anyway.
Your Firestar is slightly larger than the Firefly but if you have a full
enclosure it may have about the same amount of drag as I do.
Thanks again,
Stuart
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of olendorf
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 2:43 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Firefly/447 RPM question
It all depends on what size prop you have. And the drag of your craft.
I find 4800rpms to be just about the hot spot for my EGTs also. 4600-4800.
I try to stay out of that range. I usually cruise around about 5500-5800rpm
which provides 53-58mph airspeed.
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Scott Olendorf
Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop Schenectady, NY
http://sites.google.com/site/kolbfirestar/
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=441248#441248
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Subject: | Re: Firefly/447 RPM question |
Thanks Herb,
Sounds like a mandate to go fly! Tiny Tack is currently showing 19, halfway
there.
The darned wind comes up with the sun and temps these days. I am sure after
some time aloft, I will be able to handle more adverse conditions but at
this stage of the game I don't need any more to deal with, so will wait.
When you are a little kid at heart, waiting is sooooo HARD to do!
Patience was my dad's virtue, not mine. GRRRR!
I sure like the power (thrust) I am getting with the 447. Sometimes I wonder
if it is overkill for the Firefly. Better to have it and not need it than
need it and not have it. (True of most things in life)
Thanks again,
Stuart
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herb
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Firefly/447 RPM question
Remember also...Stuart,,,that engine is not broken in...rings will seat in
the 40+ hour range..temps usually drop...cht and egt...
I cruised in the 5600 range and saw high 50's to low 60's using a three
blade IVO..Herb
On 04/24/2015 02:42 PM, olendorf wrote:
>
> It all depends on what size prop you have. And the drag of your craft.
> I find 4800rpms to be just about the hot spot for my EGTs also.
4600-4800. I try to stay out of that range. I usually cruise around about
5500-5800rpm which provides 53-58mph airspeed.
>
> --------
> Scott Olendorf
> Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop Schenectady, NY
> http://sites.google.com/site/kolbfirestar/
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=441248#441248
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Firefly/447 RPM question |
I bought the low time Firefly in Conn...pictures only...one of those
impulse things....! January...no way to get it....then had buyers
remorse...not because of the nice looking plane or nice trailer...just
taking my ole bones on a 2000 mile round trip....so I sold...it.... :-)
Hope to get back in the air before too long...Firestar this time
maybe.? More local too! :-) 447 engine...not the 503 I hope...or a
Firestar with no engine...for I have another 447...older model... single
seater..project would be good...damaged cage ok..if not too bad...
Herb
On 04/24/2015 07:22 PM, Stuart Harner wrote:
>
> Thanks Herb,
>
> Sounds like a mandate to go fly! Tiny Tack is currently showing 19, halfway
> there.
>
> The darned wind comes up with the sun and temps these days. I am sure after
> some time aloft, I will be able to handle more adverse conditions but at
> this stage of the game I don't need any more to deal with, so will wait.
>
> When you are a little kid at heart, waiting is sooooo HARD to do!
>
> Patience was my dad's virtue, not mine. GRRRR!
>
> I sure like the power (thrust) I am getting with the 447. Sometimes I wonder
> if it is overkill for the Firefly. Better to have it and not need it than
> need it and not have it. (True of most things in life)
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Stuart
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herb
> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 5:18 PM
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Firefly/447 RPM question
>
>
> Remember also...Stuart,,,that engine is not broken in...rings will seat in
> the 40+ hour range..temps usually drop...cht and egt...
>
> I cruised in the 5600 range and saw high 50's to low 60's using a three
> blade IVO..Herb
>
> On 04/24/2015 02:42 PM, olendorf wrote:
>>
>> It all depends on what size prop you have. And the drag of your craft.
>> I find 4800rpms to be just about the hot spot for my EGTs also.
> 4600-4800. I try to stay out of that range. I usually cruise around about
> 5500-5800rpm which provides 53-58mph airspeed.
>> --------
>> Scott Olendorf
>> Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop Schenectady, NY
>> http://sites.google.com/site/kolbfirestar/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=441248#441248
>>
>>
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Subject: | Re: Firefly/447 RPM question |
Herb
Dunno if this is of any help to you but I have an open trailer, set up for a Kolb,
that you can borrow anytime you need it but its in MAINE!
Prolly 5-6 hrs north of CT. But youre welcome to use it
Fair winds,
Russ K
> On Apr 24, 2015, at 8:43 PM, Herb <Herbgh@nctc.com> wrote:
>
>
> I bought the low time Firefly in Conn...pictures only...one of those impulse
things....! January...no way to get it....then had buyers remorse...not because
of the nice looking plane or nice trailer...just taking my ole bones on a 2000
mile round trip....so I sold...it.... :-)
>
> Hope to get back in the air before too long...Firestar this time maybe.? More
local too! :-) 447 engine...not the 503 I hope...or a Firestar with no engine...for
I have another 447...older model... single seater..project would be
good...damaged cage ok..if not too bad...
>
> Herb
>
> On 04/24/2015 07:22 PM, Stuart Harner wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Herb,
>>
>> Sounds like a mandate to go fly! Tiny Tack is currently showing 19, halfway
>> there.
>>
>> The darned wind comes up with the sun and temps these days. I am sure after
>> some time aloft, I will be able to handle more adverse conditions but at
>> this stage of the game I don't need any more to deal with, so will wait.
>>
>> When you are a little kid at heart, waiting is sooooo HARD to do!
>>
>> Patience was my dad's virtue, not mine. GRRRR!
>>
>> I sure like the power (thrust) I am getting with the 447. Sometimes I wonder
>> if it is overkill for the Firefly. Better to have it and not need it than
>> need it and not have it. (True of most things in life)
>>
>> Thanks again,
>>
>> Stuart
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herb
>> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 5:18 PM
>> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Firefly/447 RPM question
>>
>>
>> Remember also...Stuart,,,that engine is not broken in...rings will seat in
>> the 40+ hour range..temps usually drop...cht and egt...
>>
>> I cruised in the 5600 range and saw high 50's to low 60's using a three
>> blade IVO..Herb
>>
>> On 04/24/2015 02:42 PM, olendorf wrote:
>>>
>>> It all depends on what size prop you have. And the drag of your craft.
>>> I find 4800rpms to be just about the hot spot for my EGTs also.
>> 4600-4800. I try to stay out of that range. I usually cruise around about
>> 5500-5800rpm which provides 53-58mph airspeed.
>>> --------
>>> Scott Olendorf
>>> Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop Schenectady, NY
>>> http://sites.google.com/site/kolbfirestar/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=441248#441248
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Subject: | Re: Firefly/447 RPM question |
Maine? Isn't that near Greenland?? :-) Thanks for the offer...One
more plane and I am out of the business for a while...Herb
On 04/24/2015 08:13 PM, kinne russ wrote:
>
> Herb
> Dunno if this is of any help to you but I have an open trailer, set up for a
Kolb, that you can borrow anytime you need it but its in MAINE!
> Prolly 5-6 hrs north of CT. But youre welcome to use it
> Fair winds,
> Russ K
>
>
>> On Apr 24, 2015, at 8:43 PM, Herb <Herbgh@nctc.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I bought the low time Firefly in Conn...pictures only...one of those impulse
things....! January...no way to get it....then had buyers remorse...not because
of the nice looking plane or nice trailer...just taking my ole bones on a 2000
mile round trip....so I sold...it.... :-)
>>
>> Hope to get back in the air before too long...Firestar this time maybe.?
More local too! :-) 447 engine...not the 503 I hope...or a Firestar with no engine...for
I have another 447...older model... single seater..project would be
good...damaged cage ok..if not too bad...
>>
>> Herb
>>
>> On 04/24/2015 07:22 PM, Stuart Harner wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Herb,
>>>
>>> Sounds like a mandate to go fly! Tiny Tack is currently showing 19, halfway
>>> there.
>>>
>>> The darned wind comes up with the sun and temps these days. I am sure after
>>> some time aloft, I will be able to handle more adverse conditions but at
>>> this stage of the game I don't need any more to deal with, so will wait.
>>>
>>> When you are a little kid at heart, waiting is sooooo HARD to do!
>>>
>>> Patience was my dad's virtue, not mine. GRRRR!
>>>
>>> I sure like the power (thrust) I am getting with the 447. Sometimes I wonder
>>> if it is overkill for the Firefly. Better to have it and not need it than
>>> need it and not have it. (True of most things in life)
>>>
>>> Thanks again,
>>>
>>> Stuart
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herb
>>> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 5:18 PM
>>> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Firefly/447 RPM question
>>>
>>>
>>> Remember also...Stuart,,,that engine is not broken in...rings will seat in
>>> the 40+ hour range..temps usually drop...cht and egt...
>>>
>>> I cruised in the 5600 range and saw high 50's to low 60's using a three
>>> blade IVO..Herb
>>>
>>> On 04/24/2015 02:42 PM, olendorf wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It all depends on what size prop you have. And the drag of your craft.
>>>> I find 4800rpms to be just about the hot spot for my EGTs also.
>>> 4600-4800. I try to stay out of that range. I usually cruise around about
>>> 5500-5800rpm which provides 53-58mph airspeed.
>>>> --------
>>>> Scott Olendorf
>>>> Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop Schenectady, NY
>>>> http://sites.google.com/site/kolbfirestar/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=441248#441248
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Subject: | Re: Firefly/447 RPM question |
Hi Dave,
Thanks, I will check out your videos.
I have been considering getting a sports cam to record my flights so I can review
them later. My hope is to be able to learn things that I was too busy to notice
when in the air.
Did you find video useful in that way?
One of the many things I need to do is get some time aloft with my phone where
I can see the GPS speedometer readout. by flying different routes and then again
in reverse, I hope to get an idea at to the accuracy of the ASI.
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"I don't care, I'm still free. You can't take the sky from me" - Josh
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