---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 04/24/15: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 09:15 AM - second chantz chutes (crankpot) 2. 09:35 AM - Kolb Firestar parts (Herb) 3. 10:10 AM - for sale... kolb ultrastar..price reduced (crankpot) 4. 10:58 AM - Firefly/447 RPM question (Stuart Harner) 5. 12:43 PM - Re: Firefly/447 RPM question (olendorf) 6. 03:18 PM - Re: Re: Firefly/447 RPM question (Herb) 7. 03:38 PM - Re: Re: Firefly/447 RPM question (Stuart Harner) 8. 05:22 PM - Re: Re: Firefly/447 RPM question (Stuart Harner) 9. 05:43 PM - Re: Re: Firefly/447 RPM question (Herb) 10. 06:13 PM - Re: Re: Firefly/447 RPM question (kinne russ) 11. 07:19 PM - Re: Re: Firefly/447 RPM question (Herb) 12. 07:26 PM - Re: Re: Firefly/447 RPM question (undoctor) 13. 08:39 PM - Re: Firefly/447 RPM question (Airknocker) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 09:15:10 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: second chantz chutes From: "crankpot" Anyone used them in recent years? I cant find anything on the internet except some 5 year old posts on a website. Difficult to reach them via phone as well. Just wondering... -------- 1984 kolb ultrstar Former 1997 kolb firestat Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=441227#441227 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:35:07 AM PST US From: Herb Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb Firestar parts Kolbers and Kolbettes.... with the collection of Free Firestar parts...I now have a good , rebuilt set of wings...and Tail feathers...so...need a repairable Fuselage...Herb ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:10:00 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: for sale... kolb ultrastar..price reduced From: "crankpot" 1984 vintage ultrastar. Good wings and tail. Fuselage rough with some rust and a couple bent tubes but easily repairable. Save yourself hundreds of hours. Includes manuals and prints and some spares..no engine tho. Located in Jupiter fl Asking $1500. Will trade for something of equal value. Thanks for reading Bob Do not archive -------- 1984 kolb ultrstar Former 1997 kolb firestat Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=441234#441234 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:58:26 AM PST US From: "Stuart Harner" Subject: Kolb-List: Firefly/447 RPM question Guys, Here is a question for those that have a Firefly with a Rotax 447. Assuming a properly dialed in propeller with a static full throttle output of 6300 RPM, what do you usually see at straight and level cruise RPM and speed? For that matter, if you have any information of what airspeeds to expect at different throttle settings (straight and level) I would appreciate knowing what others are seeing. I have been up a for a couple of short flights this spring and it seems to me that a comfortable airspeed is between 55 and 60 indicated, but that seems to be in the 4800 RPM range which is still giving me high EGT's. I moved the needle clip down (more rich) one notch and that helped a lot. Now when I get a warning at mid-range, I just add a little "choke" to take care of it. I expect this problem to go away with warmer temps, but may have to fuss with the pitch a little. I need MUCH more time in the air to sort this stuff all out, but the weather has not been cooperating very well. Any numbers you can give me for comparison/starting points would be appreciated. Thanks, Stuart ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:43:10 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Firefly/447 RPM question From: "olendorf" It all depends on what size prop you have. And the drag of your craft. I find 4800rpms to be just about the hot spot for my EGTs also. 4600-4800. I try to stay out of that range. I usually cruise around about 5500-5800rpm which provides 53-58mph airspeed. -------- Scott Olendorf Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop Schenectady, NY http://sites.google.com/site/kolbfirestar/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=441248#441248 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:18:23 PM PST US From: Herb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Firefly/447 RPM question Remember also...Stuart,,,that engine is not broken in...rings will seat in the 40+ hour range..temps usually drop...cht and egt... I cruised in the 5600 range and saw high 50's to low 60's using a three blade IVO..Herb On 04/24/2015 02:42 PM, olendorf wrote: > > It all depends on what size prop you have. And the drag of your craft. > I find 4800rpms to be just about the hot spot for my EGTs also. 4600-4800. I try to stay out of that range. I usually cruise around about 5500-5800rpm which provides 53-58mph airspeed. > > -------- > Scott Olendorf > Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop > Schenectady, NY > http://sites.google.com/site/kolbfirestar/ > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=441248#441248 > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:38:38 PM PST US From: "Stuart Harner" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Firefly/447 RPM question Thanks Scott. I have a 3 blade 60" Warp Drive at 7.5 of pitch. The amount of drag is a little harder to figure. I have the short windshield, double struts, and the larger wheels with brakes. Less pitch will give more RPM but less thrust so that may be the way to go. There is no shortage of thrust, that's for sure! I need to go back and review to see if less pitch increases EGT or if I need a little more. I have had it up to 70 IAS in a descent and that seemed "uncomfortable" to me. Maybe I am just not used to it yet, but I really like the way it "feels" between 55 and 60. Someone else said "climb at 50, cruise at 50 and approach at 50" or something like that. So far that seems to fit. I didn't build it to travel with anyway. Your Firestar is slightly larger than the Firefly but if you have a full enclosure it may have about the same amount of drag as I do. Thanks again, Stuart -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of olendorf Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 2:43 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Firefly/447 RPM question It all depends on what size prop you have. And the drag of your craft. I find 4800rpms to be just about the hot spot for my EGTs also. 4600-4800. I try to stay out of that range. I usually cruise around about 5500-5800rpm which provides 53-58mph airspeed. -------- Scott Olendorf Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop Schenectady, NY http://sites.google.com/site/kolbfirestar/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=441248#441248 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:22:56 PM PST US From: "Stuart Harner" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Firefly/447 RPM question Thanks Herb, Sounds like a mandate to go fly! Tiny Tack is currently showing 19, halfway there. The darned wind comes up with the sun and temps these days. I am sure after some time aloft, I will be able to handle more adverse conditions but at this stage of the game I don't need any more to deal with, so will wait. When you are a little kid at heart, waiting is sooooo HARD to do! Patience was my dad's virtue, not mine. GRRRR! I sure like the power (thrust) I am getting with the 447. Sometimes I wonder if it is overkill for the Firefly. Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it. (True of most things in life) Thanks again, Stuart -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herb Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 5:18 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Firefly/447 RPM question Remember also...Stuart,,,that engine is not broken in...rings will seat in the 40+ hour range..temps usually drop...cht and egt... I cruised in the 5600 range and saw high 50's to low 60's using a three blade IVO..Herb On 04/24/2015 02:42 PM, olendorf wrote: > > It all depends on what size prop you have. And the drag of your craft. > I find 4800rpms to be just about the hot spot for my EGTs also. 4600-4800. I try to stay out of that range. I usually cruise around about 5500-5800rpm which provides 53-58mph airspeed. > > -------- > Scott Olendorf > Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop Schenectady, NY > http://sites.google.com/site/kolbfirestar/ > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=441248#441248 > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:43:59 PM PST US From: Herb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Firefly/447 RPM question I bought the low time Firefly in Conn...pictures only...one of those impulse things....! January...no way to get it....then had buyers remorse...not because of the nice looking plane or nice trailer...just taking my ole bones on a 2000 mile round trip....so I sold...it.... :-) Hope to get back in the air before too long...Firestar this time maybe.? More local too! :-) 447 engine...not the 503 I hope...or a Firestar with no engine...for I have another 447...older model... single seater..project would be good...damaged cage ok..if not too bad... Herb On 04/24/2015 07:22 PM, Stuart Harner wrote: > > Thanks Herb, > > Sounds like a mandate to go fly! Tiny Tack is currently showing 19, halfway > there. > > The darned wind comes up with the sun and temps these days. I am sure after > some time aloft, I will be able to handle more adverse conditions but at > this stage of the game I don't need any more to deal with, so will wait. > > When you are a little kid at heart, waiting is sooooo HARD to do! > > Patience was my dad's virtue, not mine. GRRRR! > > I sure like the power (thrust) I am getting with the 447. Sometimes I wonder > if it is overkill for the Firefly. Better to have it and not need it than > need it and not have it. (True of most things in life) > > Thanks again, > > Stuart > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herb > Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 5:18 PM > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Firefly/447 RPM question > > > Remember also...Stuart,,,that engine is not broken in...rings will seat in > the 40+ hour range..temps usually drop...cht and egt... > > I cruised in the 5600 range and saw high 50's to low 60's using a three > blade IVO..Herb > > On 04/24/2015 02:42 PM, olendorf wrote: >> >> It all depends on what size prop you have. And the drag of your craft. >> I find 4800rpms to be just about the hot spot for my EGTs also. > 4600-4800. I try to stay out of that range. I usually cruise around about > 5500-5800rpm which provides 53-58mph airspeed. >> -------- >> Scott Olendorf >> Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop Schenectady, NY >> http://sites.google.com/site/kolbfirestar/ >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=441248#441248 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:13:56 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Firefly/447 RPM question From: kinne russ Herb Dunno if this is of any help to you but I have an open trailer, set up for a Kolb, that you can borrow anytime you need it but its in MAINE! Prolly 5-6 hrs north of CT. But youre welcome to use it Fair winds, Russ K > On Apr 24, 2015, at 8:43 PM, Herb wrote: > > > I bought the low time Firefly in Conn...pictures only...one of those impulse things....! January...no way to get it....then had buyers remorse...not because of the nice looking plane or nice trailer...just taking my ole bones on a 2000 mile round trip....so I sold...it.... :-) > > Hope to get back in the air before too long...Firestar this time maybe.? More local too! :-) 447 engine...not the 503 I hope...or a Firestar with no engine...for I have another 447...older model... single seater..project would be good...damaged cage ok..if not too bad... > > Herb > > On 04/24/2015 07:22 PM, Stuart Harner wrote: >> >> Thanks Herb, >> >> Sounds like a mandate to go fly! Tiny Tack is currently showing 19, halfway >> there. >> >> The darned wind comes up with the sun and temps these days. I am sure after >> some time aloft, I will be able to handle more adverse conditions but at >> this stage of the game I don't need any more to deal with, so will wait. >> >> When you are a little kid at heart, waiting is sooooo HARD to do! >> >> Patience was my dad's virtue, not mine. GRRRR! >> >> I sure like the power (thrust) I am getting with the 447. Sometimes I wonder >> if it is overkill for the Firefly. Better to have it and not need it than >> need it and not have it. (True of most things in life) >> >> Thanks again, >> >> Stuart >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herb >> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 5:18 PM >> To: kolb-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Firefly/447 RPM question >> >> >> Remember also...Stuart,,,that engine is not broken in...rings will seat in >> the 40+ hour range..temps usually drop...cht and egt... >> >> I cruised in the 5600 range and saw high 50's to low 60's using a three >> blade IVO..Herb >> >> On 04/24/2015 02:42 PM, olendorf wrote: >>> >>> It all depends on what size prop you have. And the drag of your craft. >>> I find 4800rpms to be just about the hot spot for my EGTs also. >> 4600-4800. I try to stay out of that range. I usually cruise around about >> 5500-5800rpm which provides 53-58mph airspeed. >>> -------- >>> Scott Olendorf >>> Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop Schenectady, NY >>> http://sites.google.com/site/kolbfirestar/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=441248#441248 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:19:39 PM PST US From: Herb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Firefly/447 RPM question Maine? Isn't that near Greenland?? :-) Thanks for the offer...One more plane and I am out of the business for a while...Herb On 04/24/2015 08:13 PM, kinne russ wrote: > > Herb > Dunno if this is of any help to you but I have an open trailer, set up for a Kolb, that you can borrow anytime you need it but its in MAINE! > Prolly 5-6 hrs north of CT. But youre welcome to use it > Fair winds, > Russ K > > >> On Apr 24, 2015, at 8:43 PM, Herb wrote: >> >> >> I bought the low time Firefly in Conn...pictures only...one of those impulse things....! January...no way to get it....then had buyers remorse...not because of the nice looking plane or nice trailer...just taking my ole bones on a 2000 mile round trip....so I sold...it.... :-) >> >> Hope to get back in the air before too long...Firestar this time maybe.? More local too! :-) 447 engine...not the 503 I hope...or a Firestar with no engine...for I have another 447...older model... single seater..project would be good...damaged cage ok..if not too bad... >> >> Herb >> >> On 04/24/2015 07:22 PM, Stuart Harner wrote: >>> >>> Thanks Herb, >>> >>> Sounds like a mandate to go fly! Tiny Tack is currently showing 19, halfway >>> there. >>> >>> The darned wind comes up with the sun and temps these days. I am sure after >>> some time aloft, I will be able to handle more adverse conditions but at >>> this stage of the game I don't need any more to deal with, so will wait. >>> >>> When you are a little kid at heart, waiting is sooooo HARD to do! >>> >>> Patience was my dad's virtue, not mine. GRRRR! >>> >>> I sure like the power (thrust) I am getting with the 447. Sometimes I wonder >>> if it is overkill for the Firefly. Better to have it and not need it than >>> need it and not have it. (True of most things in life) >>> >>> Thanks again, >>> >>> Stuart >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com >>> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herb >>> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 5:18 PM >>> To: kolb-list@matronics.com >>> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Firefly/447 RPM question >>> >>> >>> Remember also...Stuart,,,that engine is not broken in...rings will seat in >>> the 40+ hour range..temps usually drop...cht and egt... >>> >>> I cruised in the 5600 range and saw high 50's to low 60's using a three >>> blade IVO..Herb >>> >>> On 04/24/2015 02:42 PM, olendorf wrote: >>>> >>>> It all depends on what size prop you have. And the drag of your craft. >>>> I find 4800rpms to be just about the hot spot for my EGTs also. >>> 4600-4800. I try to stay out of that range. 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________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:39:43 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Firefly/447 RPM question From: "Airknocker" Hi Dave, Thanks, I will check out your videos. I have been considering getting a sports cam to record my flights so I can review them later. My hope is to be able to learn things that I was too busy to notice when in the air. Did you find video useful in that way? One of the many things I need to do is get some time aloft with my phone where I can see the GPS speedometer readout. by flying different routes and then again in reverse, I hope to get an idea at to the accuracy of the ASI. -------- "I don't care, I'm still free. You can't take the sky from me" - Josh Wedon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=441273#441273 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.