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1. 07:49 AM - Re: Kolb Fly In and Airport Open House (Richard Pike)
2. 09:39 AM - Re: Large head aluminum rivets (Aircraft Spruce Info)
3. 09:57 AM - Re: Re: Large head aluminum rivets (Herb)
4. 10:03 AM - Re: Re: Large head aluminum rivets (John Hauck)
5. 11:31 AM - Re: Re: Large head aluminum rivets (Herb)
6. 11:41 AM - Re: Re: Large head aluminum rivets (Herb)
7. 11:51 AM - Re: Re: Large head aluminum rivets (John Hauck)
8. 11:55 AM - Re: Re: Large head aluminum rivets (Herb)
9. 11:58 AM - Re: Re: Large head aluminum rivets (John Hauck)
10. 12:41 PM - Re: Re: Large head aluminum rivets (Stuart Harner)
11. 02:53 PM - Re: Re: Large head aluminum rivets (Dennis Rowe)
12. 03:25 PM - Re: Re: Large head aluminum rivets (Stuart Harner)
13. 05:40 PM - FW: Matronics Kolb forum (John Hauck)
14. 05:49 PM - Re: FW: Matronics Kolb forum (Richard Girard)
15. 05:57 PM - Re: Re: Large head aluminum rivets (John Hauck)
16. 06:47 PM - Ribet, ribet!! (Herb)
17. 07:08 PM - Re: quit while you are behind!! (Herb)
18. 08:37 PM - Re: FW: Matronics Kolb forum (Charlie England)
19. 08:47 PM - Re: quit while you are behind!! (John Hauck)
20. 08:49 PM - Re: quit while you are behind!! (John Hauck)
21. 09:54 PM - Re: quit while you are behind!! (Charlie England)
22. 10:07 PM - Fw: Kolb Anphib pic (Larry Cottrell)
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Fly In and Airport Open House |
Yellowbird1, that link refers to 2010.
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, 'Thy will be done,' and those
to whom God says, 'All right, then, have it your way.'
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| Subject: | Re: Large head aluminum rivets |
We noticed the recent postings regarding the price of blind aluminum rivets that
we offer on our website. These are our p/n 09-18900 and are priced at $22 for
100 rivets. These rivets are from Poly Fiber. As an alternative, we also have
p/n 09-04580 which is the same size rivet and we offer them in bags of 500 for
$19.65.
Aircraft Spruce
Customer Service Dept.
custservice@aircraftspruce.com
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| Subject: | Re: Large head aluminum rivets |
16 dollars and change from Ebay... Just bought 500...
By the way...the Poly Fiber price tells one everything they need to
know about that brand.... Herb
On 05/27/2015 11:39 AM, Aircraft Spruce Info wrote:
>
> We noticed the recent postings regarding the price of blind aluminum rivets that
we offer on our website. These are our p/n 09-18900 and are priced at $22
for 100 rivets. These rivets are from Poly Fiber. As an alternative, we also have
p/n 09-04580 which is the same size rivet and we offer them in bags of 500
for $19.65.
>
> Aircraft Spruce
> Customer Service Dept.
> custservice@aircraftspruce.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442595#442595
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Large head aluminum rivets |
.22 compared to .04 a piece. Highway robbery.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Aircraft Spruce
Info
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 11:39 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Large head aluminum rivets
--> <info@aircraftspruce.com>
We noticed the recent postings regarding the price of blind aluminum rivets
that we offer on our website. These are our p/n 09-18900 and are priced at
$22 for 100 rivets. These rivets are from Poly Fiber. As an alternative, we
also have p/n 09-04580 which is the same size rivet and we offer them in
bags of 500 for $19.65.
Aircraft Spruce
Customer Service Dept.
custservice@aircraftspruce.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442595#442595
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| Subject: | Re: Large head aluminum rivets |
John
I will spend 2000 dollars quicker than I will spend 2 dollars...
what concerns me more is the cost of the parts and beyond that is
the quick response from someone with Aircraft Spruce about the cost of
those rivets...who told them? do they monitor these lists?
I own the Thatcher CX4/CX5 list at Yahoo and have never had a
response when a company is criticized. Guess they must
sponsor/Monitor this list?
Must say..the folks at the Aircraft Spruce in Ga. are friendly and
give good service...but cannot see me doing business with them in the
future...given the high cost of doing business.
http://conaircraft.com/ That is the company who owns Poly
Fiber,Ceconite and Randolph....
Cleaning out the garage preparatory to covering the wings on my new
to me Firefly...(Poly fiber process...:-) ) Herb
On 05/27/2015 12:03 PM, John Hauck wrote:
>
> .22 compared to .04 a piece. Highway robbery.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Aircraft Spruce
> Info
> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 11:39 AM
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Large head aluminum rivets
>
> --> <info@aircraftspruce.com>
>
> We noticed the recent postings regarding the price of blind aluminum rivets
> that we offer on our website. These are our p/n 09-18900 and are priced at
> $22 for 100 rivets. These rivets are from Poly Fiber. As an alternative, we
> also have p/n 09-04580 which is the same size rivet and we offer them in
> bags of 500 for $19.65.
>
> Aircraft Spruce
> Customer Service Dept.
> custservice@aircraftspruce.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442595#442595
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Large head aluminum rivets |
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On 05/27/2015 12:03 PM, John Hauck wrote:
>
> .22 compared to .04 a piece. Highway robbery.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Aircraft Spruce
> Info
> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 11:39 AM
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Large head aluminum rivets
>
> --> <info@aircraftspruce.com>
>
> We noticed the recent postings regarding the price of blind aluminum rivets
> that we offer on our website. These are our p/n 09-18900 and are priced at
> $22 for 100 rivets. These rivets are from Poly Fiber. As an alternative, we
> also have p/n 09-04580 which is the same size rivet and we offer them in
> bags of 500 for $19.65.
>
> Aircraft Spruce
> Customer Service Dept.
> custservice@aircraftspruce.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442595#442595
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Large head aluminum rivets |
Commercial enterprises, large and small, that use this List for their
profit, rubs me the wrong way. I make a donation every year to keep the
List operating. I have never seen any of the businesses that advertise on
"our" List ever make the donation List.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herb
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Large head aluminum rivets
John
I will spend 2000 dollars quicker than I will spend 2 dollars...
what concerns me more is the cost of the parts and beyond that is the
quick response from someone with Aircraft Spruce about the cost of those
rivets...who told them? do they monitor these lists?
I own the Thatcher CX4/CX5 list at Yahoo and have never had a
response when a company is criticized. Guess they must
sponsor/Monitor this list?
Must say..the folks at the Aircraft Spruce in Ga. are friendly and give
good service...but cannot see me doing business with them in the
future...given the high cost of doing business.
http://conaircraft.com/ That is the company who owns Poly Fiber,Ceconite
and Randolph....
Cleaning out the garage preparatory to covering the wings on my new to me
Firefly...(Poly fiber process...:-) ) Herb
On 05/27/2015 12:03 PM, John Hauck wrote:
>
> .22 compared to .04 a piece. Highway robbery.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Aircraft Spruce
> Info
> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 11:39 AM
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Large head aluminum rivets
>
> --> <info@aircraftspruce.com>
>
> We noticed the recent postings regarding the price of blind aluminum
rivets
> that we offer on our website. These are our p/n 09-18900 and are priced at
> $22 for 100 rivets. These rivets are from Poly Fiber. As an alternative,
we
> also have p/n 09-04580 which is the same size rivet and we offer them in
> bags of 500 for $19.65.
>
> Aircraft Spruce
> Customer Service Dept.
> custservice@aircraftspruce.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442595#442595
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Large head aluminum rivets |
Imagine the chilling effect if Spruce had said" do not like the
unfavourable comments"...out lawyer will be in contact....Herb
On 05/27/2015 01:51 PM, John Hauck wrote:
>
> Commercial enterprises, large and small, that use this List for their
> profit, rubs me the wrong way. I make a donation every year to keep the
> List operating. I have never seen any of the businesses that advertise on
> "our" List ever make the donation List.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herb
> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 1:31 PM
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Large head aluminum rivets
>
>
> John
>
> I will spend 2000 dollars quicker than I will spend 2 dollars...
>
> what concerns me more is the cost of the parts and beyond that is the
> quick response from someone with Aircraft Spruce about the cost of those
> rivets...who told them? do they monitor these lists?
>
> I own the Thatcher CX4/CX5 list at Yahoo and have never had a
> response when a company is criticized. Guess they must
> sponsor/Monitor this list?
>
> Must say..the folks at the Aircraft Spruce in Ga. are friendly and give
> good service...but cannot see me doing business with them in the
> future...given the high cost of doing business.
>
> http://conaircraft.com/ That is the company who owns Poly Fiber,Ceconite
> and Randolph....
>
> Cleaning out the garage preparatory to covering the wings on my new to me
> Firefly...(Poly fiber process...:-) ) Herb
>
>
> On 05/27/2015 12:03 PM, John Hauck wrote:
>>
>> .22 compared to .04 a piece. Highway robbery.
>>
>> john h
>> mkIII
>> Titus, Alabama
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Aircraft Spruce
>> Info
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 11:39 AM
>> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Large head aluminum rivets
>>
>> --> <info@aircraftspruce.com>
>>
>> We noticed the recent postings regarding the price of blind aluminum
> rivets
>> that we offer on our website. These are our p/n 09-18900 and are priced at
>> $22 for 100 rivets. These rivets are from Poly Fiber. As an alternative,
> we
>> also have p/n 09-04580 which is the same size rivet and we offer them in
>> bags of 500 for $19.65.
>>
>> Aircraft Spruce
>> Customer Service Dept.
>> custservice@aircraftspruce.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442595#442595
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Large head aluminum rivets |
I'll reserve comment on that one. I don't take threats lightly.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herb
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Large head aluminum rivets
Imagine the chilling effect if Spruce had said" do not like the unfavourable
comments"...out lawyer will be in contact....Herb
On 05/27/2015 01:51 PM, John Hauck wrote:
>
> Commercial enterprises, large and small, that use this List for their
> profit, rubs me the wrong way. I make a donation every year to keep
> the List operating. I have never seen any of the businesses that
> advertise on "our" List ever make the donation List.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herb
> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 1:31 PM
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Large head aluminum rivets
>
>
> John
>
> I will spend 2000 dollars quicker than I will spend 2 dollars...
>
> what concerns me more is the cost of the parts and beyond that is
> the quick response from someone with Aircraft Spruce about the cost of
> those rivets...who told them? do they monitor these lists?
>
> I own the Thatcher CX4/CX5 list at Yahoo and have never had a
> response when a company is criticized. Guess they must
> sponsor/Monitor this list?
>
> Must say..the folks at the Aircraft Spruce in Ga. are friendly and
> give good service...but cannot see me doing business with them in the
> future...given the high cost of doing business.
>
> http://conaircraft.com/ That is the company who owns Poly
> Fiber,Ceconite and Randolph....
>
> Cleaning out the garage preparatory to covering the wings on my
> new to me Firefly...(Poly fiber process...:-) ) Herb
>
>
> On 05/27/2015 12:03 PM, John Hauck wrote:
>>
>> .22 compared to .04 a piece. Highway robbery.
>>
>> john h
>> mkIII
>> Titus, Alabama
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Aircraft
>> Spruce Info
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 11:39 AM
>> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Large head aluminum rivets
>>
>> --> <info@aircraftspruce.com>
>>
>> We noticed the recent postings regarding the price of blind aluminum
> rivets
>> that we offer on our website. These are our p/n 09-18900 and are
>> priced at
>> $22 for 100 rivets. These rivets are from Poly Fiber. As an
>> alternative,
> we
>> also have p/n 09-04580 which is the same size rivet and we offer them
>> in bags of 500 for $19.65.
>>
>> Aircraft Spruce
>> Customer Service Dept.
>> custservice@aircraftspruce.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442595#442595
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Large head aluminum rivets |
John,
Exactly. Just make a mental note and use that as a reference when making
future purchase decisions.
The other bug-a-boo about vendors that I have is the ones that are
lickity-split to reply when you have a purchase question, but won't
acknowledge your
existence after the sale. I currently have a beef with a certain avionics
company that won't respond to any attempted contact. I wonder what they
will have to say when I stand next to their booth at OSH this summer and
tell my story to all those gathered around. ;)
Stuart
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hauck
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 1:52 PM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Large head aluminum rivets
Commercial enterprises, large and small, that use this List for their
profit, rubs me the wrong way. I make a donation every year to keep the
List operating. I have never seen any of the businesses that advertise on
"our" List ever make the donation List.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| Subject: | Re: Large head aluminum rivets |
Easy here guys, I believe Spruce has sponsored Matts fundraiser drives with gifts
for years. All their message said was "yeah, we have these rivets from so and
so that may be overpriced, but we also sell these more reasonable price rivets
that are equivalent.
To me, I appreciated the info and have always found Spruce to be a great source
for aviation products with great prices and better service.
Am I missing something?
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, Rotax 670,
Leechburg, PA
> On May 27, 2015, at 3:41 PM, Stuart Harner <stuart@harnerfarm.net> wrote:
>
>
> John,
>
> Exactly. Just make a mental note and use that as a reference when making
> future purchase decisions.
>
> The other bug-a-boo about vendors that I have is the ones that are
> lickity-split to reply when you have a purchase question, but won't
> acknowledge your
> existence after the sale. I currently have a beef with a certain avionics
> company that won't respond to any attempted contact. I wonder what they
> will have to say when I stand next to their booth at OSH this summer and
> tell my story to all those gathered around. ;)
>
> Stuart
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hauck
> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 1:52 PM
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Large head aluminum rivets
>
>
> Commercial enterprises, large and small, that use this List for their
> profit, rubs me the wrong way. I make a donation every year to keep the
> List operating. I have never seen any of the businesses that advertise on
> "our" List ever make the donation List.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Large head aluminum rivets |
I don't know about their sponsorship but don't think it is relevant either.
Past dealings with them have been....shall we say less positive than yours.
I tend to look elsewhere first.
John H is right, I think jumping into a thread like this is pushy on their
part and I will remember that.
YMMV
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Rowe
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 4:53 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Large head aluminum rivets
Easy here guys, I believe Spruce has sponsored Matts fundraiser drives with
gifts for years. All their message said was "yeah, we have these rivets from
so and so that may be overpriced, but we also sell these more reasonable
price rivets that are equivalent.
To me, I appreciated the info and have always found Spruce to be a great
source for aviation products with great prices and better service.
Am I missing something?
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, Rotax 670,
Leechburg, PA
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| Subject: | FW: Matronics Kolb forum |
Kolbers:
Got a note from Jim Irwin, President, Aircraft Spruce, in response to a post
I made on the Kolb List reference the extremely high price of rivets.
Thought it only fair to share it with you all.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
From: Jim Irwin [mailto:jimirwin@aircraftspruce.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 5:42 PM
Subject: Matronics Kolb forum
John,
I saw your posting on the forum and wanted to let you know that it was not
Customer Service's intent to use the list for profit. I think they just
wanted to point out that the rivets Herb was referring to are from
Poly-Fiber and our prices is based on their cost to us, and that we do have
a much cheaper alternative available. The implication in the original post
was that Aircraft Spruce was gouging their customers with the 22 cent
rivets, and this is certainly not our intent.
We appreciate the orders you place with Aircraft Spruce and look forward to
continuing to serve you.
Best Regards,
Jim Irwin
President
Aircraft Spruce
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| Subject: | Re: FW: Matronics Kolb forum |
Guys, For what it's worth I tried to get aluminum fabric rivets from
Hansons and the price was more than Spruce and I'd have to buy a 1000 to
get it. I've always found that McMaster Carr is hard to beat.
Rick Girard
On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 7:39 PM, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
> Kolbers:
>
>
> Got a note from Jim Irwin, President, Aircraft Spruce, in response to a
> post I made on the Kolb List reference the extremely high price of rivets.
>
>
> Thought it only fair to share it with you all.
>
>
> john h
>
> mkIII
>
> Titus, Alabama
>
>
> *From:* Jim Irwin [mailto:jimirwin@aircraftspruce.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 27, 2015 5:42 PM
> *To:* jhauck@elmore.rr.com
> *Subject:* Matronics Kolb forum
>
>
> John,
>
>
> I saw your posting on the forum and wanted to let you know that it was not
> Customer Service's intent to use the list for profit. I think they just
> wanted to point out that the rivets Herb was referring to are from
> Poly-Fiber and our prices is based on their cost to us, and that we do have
> a much cheaper alternative available. The implication in the original post
> was that Aircraft Spruce was gouging their customers with the 22 cent
> rivets, and this is certainly not our intent.
>
>
> We appreciate the orders you place with Aircraft Spruce and look forward
> to continuing to serve you.
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
> Jim Irwin
>
> President
>
> Aircraft Spruce
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
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Believe those who are seeking the truth, doubt those who find it.
-Andre Gide
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| Subject: | Re: Large head aluminum rivets |
Dennis:
My comments were intended for all commercial guys that use the Kolb List for
profit. There are a few that hit us up to turn a profit at our expense.
Irwin had the audacity to say his Customer Service had no intention of
making a profit based on the info posted on our List.
I usually take a look at the list of contributors to the Kolb List each
year. Don't ever remember seeing them listed, but I wasn't looking for them
at the time.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Rowe
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 4:53 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Large head aluminum rivets
Easy here guys, I believe Spruce has sponsored Matts fundraiser drives with
gifts for years. All their message said was "yeah, we have these rivets from
so and so that may be overpriced, but we also sell these more reasonable
price rivets that are equivalent.
To me, I appreciated the info and have always found Spruce to be a great
source for aviation products with great prices and better service.
Am I missing something?
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, Rotax 670,
Leechburg, PA
> On May 27, 2015, at 3:41 PM, Stuart Harner <stuart@harnerfarm.net> wrote:
>
>
> John,
>
> Exactly. Just make a mental note and use that as a reference when making
> future purchase decisions.
>
> The other bug-a-boo about vendors that I have is the ones that are
> lickity-split to reply when you have a purchase question, but won't
> acknowledge your
> existence after the sale. I currently have a beef with a certain avionics
> company that won't respond to any attempted contact. I wonder what they
> will have to say when I stand next to their booth at OSH this summer and
> tell my story to all those gathered around. ;)
>
> Stuart
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hauck
> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 1:52 PM
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Large head aluminum rivets
>
>
> Commercial enterprises, large and small, that use this List for their
> profit, rubs me the wrong way. I make a donation every year to keep the
> List operating. I have never seen any of the businesses that advertise on
> "our" List ever make the donation List.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
>
>
>
>
>
>
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I started it...and it is only about prices...which in the
main...Aircraft Spruce cannot do much about...since they do not make any
of the items in their catalog...that I know of... but, but, but----a
rivet that costs maybe one and a half cent selling for , was it 22 cents
in the case of the Poly Fiber version, is just plain out of the ball
park...the county, the country... That speaks to the concentration of
market share that United Coatings has...I suspect..
The thing that primed my hackles was the cost of a small turn buckle
barrel and ends...upwards of 30 dollars.. Luckily I had a stash of
these and most of the other items missing from the Firefly kit that I
bought . I figure there is only one outfit in the country making them...
and worse...Travis tells me that the engine mounts have gone to 45
bucks each...!
I know , none of this matters if one is building an RV....which is
likely the folks who give the most support to Aircraft Spruce...?
Witness the glossy EAA magazine and ads...for another..
Covered the bottom side of the first wing this evening...took me 4
hours to clean out the garage...:-) I will do better
tomorrow...Stewart...!
I will say it again...Aircraft Spruce..good company...good people
from my experience......but they could do better if they left California
and moved to "God forbid"!! Texas....:-) The cost of being in business
in California has to be difficult..IMHO. Herb (through whining for a
few weeks)
On 05/27/2015 04:52 PM, Dennis Rowe wrote:
>
> Easy here guys, I believe Spruce has sponsored Matts fundraiser drives with gifts
for years. All their message said was "yeah, we have these rivets from so
and so that may be overpriced, but we also sell these more reasonable price rivets
that are equivalent.
> To me, I appreciated the info and have always found Spruce to be a great source
for aviation products with great prices and better service.
> Am I missing something?
>
> Dennis "Skid" Rowe
> Mk3, Rotax 670,
> Leechburg, PA
>
>
>> On May 27, 2015, at 3:41 PM, Stuart Harner <stuart@harnerfarm.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> John,
>>
>> Exactly. Just make a mental note and use that as a reference when making
>> future purchase decisions.
>>
>> The other bug-a-boo about vendors that I have is the ones that are
>> lickity-split to reply when you have a purchase question, but won't
>> acknowledge your
>> existence after the sale. I currently have a beef with a certain avionics
>> company that won't respond to any attempted contact. I wonder what they
>> will have to say when I stand next to their booth at OSH this summer and
>> tell my story to all those gathered around. ;)
>>
>> Stuart
>> Do not archive
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hauck
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 1:52 PM
>> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Large head aluminum rivets
>>
>>
>> Commercial enterprises, large and small, that use this List for their
>> profit, rubs me the wrong way. I make a donation every year to keep the
>> List operating. I have never seen any of the businesses that advertise on
>> "our" List ever make the donation List.
>>
>> john h
>> mkIII
>> Titus, Alabama
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: quit while you are behind!! |
Is anyone thinking what I am thinking? Maybe I am the last to know?
Companies must subscribe to services that scan the net looking for
keywords...kick them to the proper subscriber? sort of a mini CIA?
I well understand that all our browsing is followed...by a host of
services that fill our mail box with goods and services from
subscribers...or worse...!! Herb
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| Subject: | Re: FW: Matronics Kolb forum |
I don't care to see commercial use here, either, but it's hard to fault
someone for correcting misconceptions or untruths about themselves.
And since Hanson's name came up... I had a serious problem with them a
number of years ago. They shipped me defective rivets. The rivets had
incorrect length break-point length on their anvils (the 'nails'). When
pulled, the anvils would consistently break leaving ~3/32" of anvil
sticking out of the head. Now anyone can have a defective product slip
through now and then, but....
I spent days of fighting with them over the phone, with me offering to
send images of the problem, and offering to send the bad rivets back at
my expense. They never believed me, and never accepted my offer to show
them the problem rivets. They finally shipped replacements, after I'd
lost far more in time than the original cost of the rivets. And it
wasn't a small order. I'm positive that the only reason they finally
sent replacements was because I was costing *them* more than the rivets
were worth.
Charlie
On 5/27/2015 7:48 PM, Richard Girard wrote:
> Guys, For what it's worth I tried to get aluminum fabric rivets from
> Hansons and the price was more than Spruce and I'd have to buy a 1000
> to get it. I've always found that McMaster Carr is hard to beat.
>
> Rick Girard
>
> On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 7:39 PM, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com
> <mailto:jhauck@elmore.rr.com>> wrote:
>
> Kolbers:
>
>
>
> Got a note from Jim Irwin, President, Aircraft Spruce, in response
> to a post I made on the Kolb List reference the extremely high
> price of rivets.
>
>
>
> Thought it only fair to share it with you all.
>
>
>
> john h
>
> mkIII
>
> Titus, Alabama
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:*Jim Irwin [mailto:jimirwin@aircraftspruce.com
> <mailto:jimirwin@aircraftspruce.com>]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 27, 2015 5:42 PM
> *To:* jhauck@elmore.rr.com <mailto:jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> *Subject:* Matronics Kolb forum
>
>
>
> John,
>
>
>
> I saw your posting on the forum and wanted to let you know that it
> was not Customer Service's intent to use the list for profit. I
> think they just wanted to point out that the rivets Herb was
> referring to are from Poly-Fiber and our prices is based on their
> cost to us, and that we do have a much cheaper alternative
> available. The implication in the original post was that Aircraft
> Spruce was gouging their customers with the 22 cent rivets, and
> this is certainly not our intent.
>
>
>
> We appreciate the orders you place with Aircraft Spruce and look
> forward to continuing to serve you.
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
>
> Jim Irwin
>
> President
>
> Aircraft Spruce
>
>
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| Subject: | quit while you are behind!! |
Big Brother is watching.
Makes one feel violated.
I have been a member of the Kolb List for 17+ years. First time I have
experienced anything like this. I always felt our List was more or less
private, although not technically so.
Nothing like being bugged.
Is Aircraft Spruce a member of the Kolb List?
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herb
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 9:08 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: quit while you are behind!!
Is anyone thinking what I am thinking? Maybe I am the last to know?
Companies must subscribe to services that scan the net looking for
keywords...kick them to the proper subscriber? sort of a mini CIA?
I well understand that all our browsing is followed...by a host of
services that fill our mail box with goods and services from
subscribers...or worse...!! Herb
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| Subject: | quit while you are behind!! |
Big Brother is watching.
Makes one feel violated.
I have been a member of the Kolb List for 17+ years. First time I have
experienced anything like this. I always felt our List was more or less
private, although not technically so.
Nothing like being bugged.
Is Aircraft Spruce a member of the Kolb List?
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herb
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 9:08 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: quit while you are behind!!
Is anyone thinking what I am thinking? Maybe I am the last to know?
Companies must subscribe to services that scan the net looking for
keywords...kick them to the proper subscriber? sort of a mini CIA?
I well understand that all our browsing is followed...by a host of
services that fill our mail box with goods and services from
subscribers...or worse...!! Herb
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| Subject: | Re: quit while you are behind!! |
You should feel violated, because Big Brother is definitely watching,
but his name ain't Aircraft Spruce. He's much more of a Patriot (Act).
You don't need some sophisticated NSA grade web crawler to find
references to a particular item or company; it's built into every decent
email client and forum application. I'd be surprised if there weren't
Spruce employees that at least read the archives, along with a lot of
other vendors who sell to homebuilders. Don't you think that someone
from TNKolb is reading? I know that Van's Aircraft guys monitor lists
and forums dedicated to RV's. They don't hype their stuff; they offer
assistance and occasionally offer corrections if incorrect info shows up.
It's in any vendor's best interest to monitor lists like this, because
we're going to tell our friends what (and who) works and what (and who)
doesn't. And it's usually in our best interest, as well, because most
vendors will use that info to make improvements in their products or
service.
Just another opinion....
Charlie
On 5/27/2015 10:46 PM, John Hauck wrote:
>
> Big Brother is watching.
>
> Makes one feel violated.
>
> I have been a member of the Kolb List for 17+ years. First time I have
> experienced anything like this. I always felt our List was more or less
> private, although not technically so.
>
> Nothing like being bugged.
>
> Is Aircraft Spruce a member of the Kolb List?
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herb
> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 9:08 PM
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: quit while you are behind!!
>
>
>
> Is anyone thinking what I am thinking? Maybe I am the last to know?
>
> Companies must subscribe to services that scan the net looking for
> keywords...kick them to the proper subscriber? sort of a mini CIA?
>
> I well understand that all our browsing is followed...by a host of
> services that fill our mail box with goods and services from
> subscribers...or worse...!! Herb
>
>
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| Subject: | Fwd: Kolb Anphib pic |
I got this from a friend of mine that lives on the Oregon Coast. I have
never seen anything remotely like it. Any thoughts from the group. It looks
scary to me.
Larry
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Alexis <parker.toby92@gmail.com>
Subject: Fwd: Kolb Anphib pic
Hey Larry I am trying to find out if this is something you might know
about My cousin and uncle are wanting to buy it but they need to find
out more about Kolbs and if this sound like something that would work My
cousin is Ron Wallace I believe his address will be with this .. If there
is and input that you can provide they would like to hear it Toby
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Ron Wallace <ron@worldpiper.com>
Subject: Kolb Anphib pic
Toby,
I=99m interested in buying this Kolb and am wondering if you know an
yone
that owns one, especially that is an anphib like this one. I=99d li
ke to
chat with them.
=8B
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