---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 05/27/15: 22 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:49 AM - Re: Kolb Fly In and Airport Open House (Richard Pike) 2. 09:39 AM - Re: Large head aluminum rivets (Aircraft Spruce Info) 3. 09:57 AM - Re: Re: Large head aluminum rivets (Herb) 4. 10:03 AM - Re: Re: Large head aluminum rivets (John Hauck) 5. 11:31 AM - Re: Re: Large head aluminum rivets (Herb) 6. 11:41 AM - Re: Re: Large head aluminum rivets (Herb) 7. 11:51 AM - Re: Re: Large head aluminum rivets (John Hauck) 8. 11:55 AM - Re: Re: Large head aluminum rivets (Herb) 9. 11:58 AM - Re: Re: Large head aluminum rivets (John Hauck) 10. 12:41 PM - Re: Re: Large head aluminum rivets (Stuart Harner) 11. 02:53 PM - Re: Re: Large head aluminum rivets (Dennis Rowe) 12. 03:25 PM - Re: Re: Large head aluminum rivets (Stuart Harner) 13. 05:40 PM - FW: Matronics Kolb forum (John Hauck) 14. 05:49 PM - Re: FW: Matronics Kolb forum (Richard Girard) 15. 05:57 PM - Re: Re: Large head aluminum rivets (John Hauck) 16. 06:47 PM - Ribet, ribet!! (Herb) 17. 07:08 PM - Re: quit while you are behind!! (Herb) 18. 08:37 PM - Re: FW: Matronics Kolb forum (Charlie England) 19. 08:47 PM - Re: quit while you are behind!! (John Hauck) 20. 08:49 PM - Re: quit while you are behind!! (John Hauck) 21. 09:54 PM - Re: quit while you are behind!! (Charlie England) 22. 10:07 PM - Fw: Kolb Anphib pic (Larry Cottrell) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:49:15 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb Fly In and Airport Open House From: "Richard Pike" Yellowbird1, that link refers to 2010. -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Kingsport, TN 3TN0 There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, 'Thy will be done,' and those to whom God says, 'All right, then, have it your way.' Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442591#442591 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:39:21 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Large head aluminum rivets From: "Aircraft Spruce Info" We noticed the recent postings regarding the price of blind aluminum rivets that we offer on our website. These are our p/n 09-18900 and are priced at $22 for 100 rivets. These rivets are from Poly Fiber. As an alternative, we also have p/n 09-04580 which is the same size rivet and we offer them in bags of 500 for $19.65. Aircraft Spruce Customer Service Dept. custservice@aircraftspruce.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442595#442595 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:57:16 AM PST US From: Herb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Large head aluminum rivets 16 dollars and change from Ebay... Just bought 500... By the way...the Poly Fiber price tells one everything they need to know about that brand.... Herb On 05/27/2015 11:39 AM, Aircraft Spruce Info wrote: > > We noticed the recent postings regarding the price of blind aluminum rivets that we offer on our website. These are our p/n 09-18900 and are priced at $22 for 100 rivets. These rivets are from Poly Fiber. As an alternative, we also have p/n 09-04580 which is the same size rivet and we offer them in bags of 500 for $19.65. > > Aircraft Spruce > Customer Service Dept. > custservice@aircraftspruce.com > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442595#442595 > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:03:48 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Large head aluminum rivets .22 compared to .04 a piece. Highway robbery. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Aircraft Spruce Info Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 11:39 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Large head aluminum rivets --> We noticed the recent postings regarding the price of blind aluminum rivets that we offer on our website. These are our p/n 09-18900 and are priced at $22 for 100 rivets. These rivets are from Poly Fiber. As an alternative, we also have p/n 09-04580 which is the same size rivet and we offer them in bags of 500 for $19.65. Aircraft Spruce Customer Service Dept. custservice@aircraftspruce.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442595#442595 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:31:20 AM PST US From: Herb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Large head aluminum rivets John I will spend 2000 dollars quicker than I will spend 2 dollars... what concerns me more is the cost of the parts and beyond that is the quick response from someone with Aircraft Spruce about the cost of those rivets...who told them? do they monitor these lists? I own the Thatcher CX4/CX5 list at Yahoo and have never had a response when a company is criticized. Guess they must sponsor/Monitor this list? Must say..the folks at the Aircraft Spruce in Ga. are friendly and give good service...but cannot see me doing business with them in the future...given the high cost of doing business. http://conaircraft.com/ That is the company who owns Poly Fiber,Ceconite and Randolph.... Cleaning out the garage preparatory to covering the wings on my new to me Firefly...(Poly fiber process...:-) ) Herb On 05/27/2015 12:03 PM, John Hauck wrote: > > .22 compared to .04 a piece. Highway robbery. > > john h > mkIII > Titus, Alabama > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Aircraft Spruce > Info > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 11:39 AM > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Large head aluminum rivets > > --> > > We noticed the recent postings regarding the price of blind aluminum rivets > that we offer on our website. These are our p/n 09-18900 and are priced at > $22 for 100 rivets. These rivets are from Poly Fiber. As an alternative, we > also have p/n 09-04580 which is the same size rivet and we offer them in > bags of 500 for $19.65. > > Aircraft Spruce > Customer Service Dept. > custservice@aircraftspruce.com > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442595#442595 > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:41:12 AM PST US From: Herb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Large head aluminum rivets .03304 each....from isellrivets in Texas... ORDER DATE May 18, 2015 ORDER TOTAL US $16.52 Free shipping *Order 361248909505-661145964023!474330785012* Leave feedback View order details More actions 1 item sold byisellrivets 500 Aluminum Rivet Large Flange 1/8 x 1/8 Grip 500 Aluminum Rivet Large Flange 1/8 x 1/8 Grip ( 361248909505 ) Delivered on *Fri, May 22* Tracking number: *Tracking number*9400115901432363076871 Add note ITEM PRICE: US $16.52 On 05/27/2015 12:03 PM, John Hauck wrote: > > .22 compared to .04 a piece. Highway robbery. > > john h > mkIII > Titus, Alabama > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Aircraft Spruce > Info > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 11:39 AM > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Large head aluminum rivets > > --> > > We noticed the recent postings regarding the price of blind aluminum rivets > that we offer on our website. These are our p/n 09-18900 and are priced at > $22 for 100 rivets. These rivets are from Poly Fiber. As an alternative, we > also have p/n 09-04580 which is the same size rivet and we offer them in > bags of 500 for $19.65. > > Aircraft Spruce > Customer Service Dept. > custservice@aircraftspruce.com > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442595#442595 > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:51:40 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Large head aluminum rivets Commercial enterprises, large and small, that use this List for their profit, rubs me the wrong way. I make a donation every year to keep the List operating. I have never seen any of the businesses that advertise on "our" List ever make the donation List. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herb Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 1:31 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Large head aluminum rivets John I will spend 2000 dollars quicker than I will spend 2 dollars... what concerns me more is the cost of the parts and beyond that is the quick response from someone with Aircraft Spruce about the cost of those rivets...who told them? do they monitor these lists? I own the Thatcher CX4/CX5 list at Yahoo and have never had a response when a company is criticized. Guess they must sponsor/Monitor this list? Must say..the folks at the Aircraft Spruce in Ga. are friendly and give good service...but cannot see me doing business with them in the future...given the high cost of doing business. http://conaircraft.com/ That is the company who owns Poly Fiber,Ceconite and Randolph.... Cleaning out the garage preparatory to covering the wings on my new to me Firefly...(Poly fiber process...:-) ) Herb On 05/27/2015 12:03 PM, John Hauck wrote: > > .22 compared to .04 a piece. Highway robbery. > > john h > mkIII > Titus, Alabama > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Aircraft Spruce > Info > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 11:39 AM > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Large head aluminum rivets > > --> > > We noticed the recent postings regarding the price of blind aluminum rivets > that we offer on our website. These are our p/n 09-18900 and are priced at > $22 for 100 rivets. These rivets are from Poly Fiber. As an alternative, we > also have p/n 09-04580 which is the same size rivet and we offer them in > bags of 500 for $19.65. > > Aircraft Spruce > Customer Service Dept. > custservice@aircraftspruce.com > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442595#442595 > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:55:54 AM PST US From: Herb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Large head aluminum rivets Imagine the chilling effect if Spruce had said" do not like the unfavourable comments"...out lawyer will be in contact....Herb On 05/27/2015 01:51 PM, John Hauck wrote: > > Commercial enterprises, large and small, that use this List for their > profit, rubs me the wrong way. I make a donation every year to keep the > List operating. I have never seen any of the businesses that advertise on > "our" List ever make the donation List. > > john h > mkIII > Titus, Alabama > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herb > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 1:31 PM > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Large head aluminum rivets > > > John > > I will spend 2000 dollars quicker than I will spend 2 dollars... > > what concerns me more is the cost of the parts and beyond that is the > quick response from someone with Aircraft Spruce about the cost of those > rivets...who told them? do they monitor these lists? > > I own the Thatcher CX4/CX5 list at Yahoo and have never had a > response when a company is criticized. Guess they must > sponsor/Monitor this list? > > Must say..the folks at the Aircraft Spruce in Ga. are friendly and give > good service...but cannot see me doing business with them in the > future...given the high cost of doing business. > > http://conaircraft.com/ That is the company who owns Poly Fiber,Ceconite > and Randolph.... > > Cleaning out the garage preparatory to covering the wings on my new to me > Firefly...(Poly fiber process...:-) ) Herb > > > On 05/27/2015 12:03 PM, John Hauck wrote: >> >> .22 compared to .04 a piece. Highway robbery. >> >> john h >> mkIII >> Titus, Alabama >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Aircraft Spruce >> Info >> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 11:39 AM >> To: kolb-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Large head aluminum rivets >> >> --> >> >> We noticed the recent postings regarding the price of blind aluminum > rivets >> that we offer on our website. These are our p/n 09-18900 and are priced at >> $22 for 100 rivets. These rivets are from Poly Fiber. As an alternative, > we >> also have p/n 09-04580 which is the same size rivet and we offer them in >> bags of 500 for $19.65. >> >> Aircraft Spruce >> Customer Service Dept. >> custservice@aircraftspruce.com >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442595#442595 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:58:53 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Large head aluminum rivets I'll reserve comment on that one. I don't take threats lightly. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herb Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 1:56 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Large head aluminum rivets Imagine the chilling effect if Spruce had said" do not like the unfavourable comments"...out lawyer will be in contact....Herb On 05/27/2015 01:51 PM, John Hauck wrote: > > Commercial enterprises, large and small, that use this List for their > profit, rubs me the wrong way. I make a donation every year to keep > the List operating. I have never seen any of the businesses that > advertise on "our" List ever make the donation List. > > john h > mkIII > Titus, Alabama > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herb > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 1:31 PM > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Large head aluminum rivets > > > John > > I will spend 2000 dollars quicker than I will spend 2 dollars... > > what concerns me more is the cost of the parts and beyond that is > the quick response from someone with Aircraft Spruce about the cost of > those rivets...who told them? do they monitor these lists? > > I own the Thatcher CX4/CX5 list at Yahoo and have never had a > response when a company is criticized. Guess they must > sponsor/Monitor this list? > > Must say..the folks at the Aircraft Spruce in Ga. are friendly and > give good service...but cannot see me doing business with them in the > future...given the high cost of doing business. > > http://conaircraft.com/ That is the company who owns Poly > Fiber,Ceconite and Randolph.... > > Cleaning out the garage preparatory to covering the wings on my > new to me Firefly...(Poly fiber process...:-) ) Herb > > > On 05/27/2015 12:03 PM, John Hauck wrote: >> >> .22 compared to .04 a piece. Highway robbery. >> >> john h >> mkIII >> Titus, Alabama >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Aircraft >> Spruce Info >> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 11:39 AM >> To: kolb-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Large head aluminum rivets >> >> --> >> >> We noticed the recent postings regarding the price of blind aluminum > rivets >> that we offer on our website. These are our p/n 09-18900 and are >> priced at >> $22 for 100 rivets. These rivets are from Poly Fiber. As an >> alternative, > we >> also have p/n 09-04580 which is the same size rivet and we offer them >> in bags of 500 for $19.65. >> >> Aircraft Spruce >> Customer Service Dept. >> custservice@aircraftspruce.com >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442595#442595 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:41:56 PM PST US From: "Stuart Harner" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Large head aluminum rivets John, Exactly. Just make a mental note and use that as a reference when making future purchase decisions. The other bug-a-boo about vendors that I have is the ones that are lickity-split to reply when you have a purchase question, but won't acknowledge your existence after the sale. I currently have a beef with a certain avionics company that won't respond to any attempted contact. I wonder what they will have to say when I stand next to their booth at OSH this summer and tell my story to all those gathered around. ;) Stuart Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hauck Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 1:52 PM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Large head aluminum rivets Commercial enterprises, large and small, that use this List for their profit, rubs me the wrong way. I make a donation every year to keep the List operating. I have never seen any of the businesses that advertise on "our" List ever make the donation List. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:53:17 PM PST US From: Dennis Rowe Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Large head aluminum rivets Easy here guys, I believe Spruce has sponsored Matts fundraiser drives with gifts for years. All their message said was "yeah, we have these rivets from so and so that may be overpriced, but we also sell these more reasonable price rivets that are equivalent. To me, I appreciated the info and have always found Spruce to be a great source for aviation products with great prices and better service. Am I missing something? Dennis "Skid" Rowe Mk3, Rotax 670, Leechburg, PA > On May 27, 2015, at 3:41 PM, Stuart Harner wrote: > > > John, > > Exactly. Just make a mental note and use that as a reference when making > future purchase decisions. > > The other bug-a-boo about vendors that I have is the ones that are > lickity-split to reply when you have a purchase question, but won't > acknowledge your > existence after the sale. I currently have a beef with a certain avionics > company that won't respond to any attempted contact. I wonder what they > will have to say when I stand next to their booth at OSH this summer and > tell my story to all those gathered around. ;) > > Stuart > Do not archive > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hauck > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 1:52 PM > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Large head aluminum rivets > > > Commercial enterprises, large and small, that use this List for their > profit, rubs me the wrong way. I make a donation every year to keep the > List operating. I have never seen any of the businesses that advertise on > "our" List ever make the donation List. > > john h > mkIII > Titus, Alabama > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:25:08 PM PST US From: "Stuart Harner" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Large head aluminum rivets I don't know about their sponsorship but don't think it is relevant either. Past dealings with them have been....shall we say less positive than yours. I tend to look elsewhere first. John H is right, I think jumping into a thread like this is pushy on their part and I will remember that. YMMV -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Rowe Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 4:53 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Large head aluminum rivets Easy here guys, I believe Spruce has sponsored Matts fundraiser drives with gifts for years. All their message said was "yeah, we have these rivets from so and so that may be overpriced, but we also sell these more reasonable price rivets that are equivalent. To me, I appreciated the info and have always found Spruce to be a great source for aviation products with great prices and better service. Am I missing something? Dennis "Skid" Rowe Mk3, Rotax 670, Leechburg, PA ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:40:17 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Kolb-List: FW: Matronics Kolb forum Kolbers: Got a note from Jim Irwin, President, Aircraft Spruce, in response to a post I made on the Kolb List reference the extremely high price of rivets. Thought it only fair to share it with you all. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama From: Jim Irwin [mailto:jimirwin@aircraftspruce.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 5:42 PM Subject: Matronics Kolb forum John, I saw your posting on the forum and wanted to let you know that it was not Customer Service's intent to use the list for profit. I think they just wanted to point out that the rivets Herb was referring to are from Poly-Fiber and our prices is based on their cost to us, and that we do have a much cheaper alternative available. The implication in the original post was that Aircraft Spruce was gouging their customers with the 22 cent rivets, and this is certainly not our intent. We appreciate the orders you place with Aircraft Spruce and look forward to continuing to serve you. Best Regards, Jim Irwin President Aircraft Spruce ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:49:07 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FW: Matronics Kolb forum From: Richard Girard Guys, For what it's worth I tried to get aluminum fabric rivets from Hansons and the price was more than Spruce and I'd have to buy a 1000 to get it. I've always found that McMaster Carr is hard to beat. Rick Girard On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 7:39 PM, John Hauck wrote: > Kolbers: > > > Got a note from Jim Irwin, President, Aircraft Spruce, in response to a > post I made on the Kolb List reference the extremely high price of rivets. > > > Thought it only fair to share it with you all. > > > john h > > mkIII > > Titus, Alabama > > > *From:* Jim Irwin [mailto:jimirwin@aircraftspruce.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 27, 2015 5:42 PM > *To:* jhauck@elmore.rr.com > *Subject:* Matronics Kolb forum > > > John, > > > I saw your posting on the forum and wanted to let you know that it was not > Customer Service's intent to use the list for profit. I think they just > wanted to point out that the rivets Herb was referring to are from > Poly-Fiber and our prices is based on their cost to us, and that we do have > a much cheaper alternative available. The implication in the original post > was that Aircraft Spruce was gouging their customers with the 22 cent > rivets, and this is certainly not our intent. > > > We appreciate the orders you place with Aircraft Spruce and look forward > to continuing to serve you. > > > Best Regards, > > > Jim Irwin > > President > > Aircraft Spruce > > * > > > * > > -- Believe those who are seeking the truth, doubt those who find it. -Andre Gide ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:57:28 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Large head aluminum rivets Dennis: My comments were intended for all commercial guys that use the Kolb List for profit. There are a few that hit us up to turn a profit at our expense. Irwin had the audacity to say his Customer Service had no intention of making a profit based on the info posted on our List. I usually take a look at the list of contributors to the Kolb List each year. Don't ever remember seeing them listed, but I wasn't looking for them at the time. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Rowe Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 4:53 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Large head aluminum rivets Easy here guys, I believe Spruce has sponsored Matts fundraiser drives with gifts for years. All their message said was "yeah, we have these rivets from so and so that may be overpriced, but we also sell these more reasonable price rivets that are equivalent. To me, I appreciated the info and have always found Spruce to be a great source for aviation products with great prices and better service. Am I missing something? Dennis "Skid" Rowe Mk3, Rotax 670, Leechburg, PA > On May 27, 2015, at 3:41 PM, Stuart Harner wrote: > > > John, > > Exactly. Just make a mental note and use that as a reference when making > future purchase decisions. > > The other bug-a-boo about vendors that I have is the ones that are > lickity-split to reply when you have a purchase question, but won't > acknowledge your > existence after the sale. I currently have a beef with a certain avionics > company that won't respond to any attempted contact. I wonder what they > will have to say when I stand next to their booth at OSH this summer and > tell my story to all those gathered around. ;) > > Stuart > Do not archive > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hauck > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 1:52 PM > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Large head aluminum rivets > > > Commercial enterprises, large and small, that use this List for their > profit, rubs me the wrong way. I make a donation every year to keep the > List operating. I have never seen any of the businesses that advertise on > "our" List ever make the donation List. > > john h > mkIII > Titus, Alabama > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:47:17 PM PST US From: Herb Subject: Kolb-List: Ribet, ribet!! I started it...and it is only about prices...which in the main...Aircraft Spruce cannot do much about...since they do not make any of the items in their catalog...that I know of... but, but, but----a rivet that costs maybe one and a half cent selling for , was it 22 cents in the case of the Poly Fiber version, is just plain out of the ball park...the county, the country... That speaks to the concentration of market share that United Coatings has...I suspect.. The thing that primed my hackles was the cost of a small turn buckle barrel and ends...upwards of 30 dollars.. Luckily I had a stash of these and most of the other items missing from the Firefly kit that I bought . I figure there is only one outfit in the country making them... and worse...Travis tells me that the engine mounts have gone to 45 bucks each...! I know , none of this matters if one is building an RV....which is likely the folks who give the most support to Aircraft Spruce...? Witness the glossy EAA magazine and ads...for another.. Covered the bottom side of the first wing this evening...took me 4 hours to clean out the garage...:-) I will do better tomorrow...Stewart...! I will say it again...Aircraft Spruce..good company...good people from my experience......but they could do better if they left California and moved to "God forbid"!! Texas....:-) The cost of being in business in California has to be difficult..IMHO. Herb (through whining for a few weeks) On 05/27/2015 04:52 PM, Dennis Rowe wrote: > > Easy here guys, I believe Spruce has sponsored Matts fundraiser drives with gifts for years. All their message said was "yeah, we have these rivets from so and so that may be overpriced, but we also sell these more reasonable price rivets that are equivalent. > To me, I appreciated the info and have always found Spruce to be a great source for aviation products with great prices and better service. > Am I missing something? > > Dennis "Skid" Rowe > Mk3, Rotax 670, > Leechburg, PA > > >> On May 27, 2015, at 3:41 PM, Stuart Harner wrote: >> >> >> John, >> >> Exactly. Just make a mental note and use that as a reference when making >> future purchase decisions. >> >> The other bug-a-boo about vendors that I have is the ones that are >> lickity-split to reply when you have a purchase question, but won't >> acknowledge your >> existence after the sale. I currently have a beef with a certain avionics >> company that won't respond to any attempted contact. I wonder what they >> will have to say when I stand next to their booth at OSH this summer and >> tell my story to all those gathered around. ;) >> >> Stuart >> Do not archive >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hauck >> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 1:52 PM >> To: kolb-list@matronics.com >> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Large head aluminum rivets >> >> >> Commercial enterprises, large and small, that use this List for their >> profit, rubs me the wrong way. I make a donation every year to keep the >> List operating. I have never seen any of the businesses that advertise on >> "our" List ever make the donation List. >> >> john h >> mkIII >> Titus, Alabama >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:08:20 PM PST US From: Herb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: quit while you are behind!! Is anyone thinking what I am thinking? Maybe I am the last to know? Companies must subscribe to services that scan the net looking for keywords...kick them to the proper subscriber? sort of a mini CIA? I well understand that all our browsing is followed...by a host of services that fill our mail box with goods and services from subscribers...or worse...!! Herb ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:37:19 PM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FW: Matronics Kolb forum I don't care to see commercial use here, either, but it's hard to fault someone for correcting misconceptions or untruths about themselves. And since Hanson's name came up... I had a serious problem with them a number of years ago. They shipped me defective rivets. The rivets had incorrect length break-point length on their anvils (the 'nails'). When pulled, the anvils would consistently break leaving ~3/32" of anvil sticking out of the head. Now anyone can have a defective product slip through now and then, but.... I spent days of fighting with them over the phone, with me offering to send images of the problem, and offering to send the bad rivets back at my expense. They never believed me, and never accepted my offer to show them the problem rivets. They finally shipped replacements, after I'd lost far more in time than the original cost of the rivets. And it wasn't a small order. I'm positive that the only reason they finally sent replacements was because I was costing *them* more than the rivets were worth. Charlie On 5/27/2015 7:48 PM, Richard Girard wrote: > Guys, For what it's worth I tried to get aluminum fabric rivets from > Hansons and the price was more than Spruce and I'd have to buy a 1000 > to get it. I've always found that McMaster Carr is hard to beat. > > Rick Girard > > On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 7:39 PM, John Hauck > wrote: > > Kolbers: > > > > Got a note from Jim Irwin, President, Aircraft Spruce, in response > to a post I made on the Kolb List reference the extremely high > price of rivets. > > > > Thought it only fair to share it with you all. > > > > john h > > mkIII > > Titus, Alabama > > > > > > > > *From:*Jim Irwin [mailto:jimirwin@aircraftspruce.com > ] > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 27, 2015 5:42 PM > *To:* jhauck@elmore.rr.com > *Subject:* Matronics Kolb forum > > > > John, > > > > I saw your posting on the forum and wanted to let you know that it > was not Customer Service's intent to use the list for profit. I > think they just wanted to point out that the rivets Herb was > referring to are from Poly-Fiber and our prices is based on their > cost to us, and that we do have a much cheaper alternative > available. The implication in the original post was that Aircraft > Spruce was gouging their customers with the 22 cent rivets, and > this is certainly not our intent. > > > > We appreciate the orders you place with Aircraft Spruce and look > forward to continuing to serve you. > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Jim Irwin > > President > > Aircraft Spruce > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:47:07 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: quit while you are behind!! Big Brother is watching. Makes one feel violated. I have been a member of the Kolb List for 17+ years. First time I have experienced anything like this. I always felt our List was more or less private, although not technically so. Nothing like being bugged. Is Aircraft Spruce a member of the Kolb List? john h mkIII Titus, Alabama -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herb Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 9:08 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: quit while you are behind!! Is anyone thinking what I am thinking? Maybe I am the last to know? Companies must subscribe to services that scan the net looking for keywords...kick them to the proper subscriber? sort of a mini CIA? I well understand that all our browsing is followed...by a host of services that fill our mail box with goods and services from subscribers...or worse...!! Herb ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 08:49:05 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: quit while you are behind!! Big Brother is watching. Makes one feel violated. I have been a member of the Kolb List for 17+ years. First time I have experienced anything like this. I always felt our List was more or less private, although not technically so. Nothing like being bugged. Is Aircraft Spruce a member of the Kolb List? john h mkIII Titus, Alabama -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herb Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 9:08 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: quit while you are behind!! Is anyone thinking what I am thinking? Maybe I am the last to know? Companies must subscribe to services that scan the net looking for keywords...kick them to the proper subscriber? sort of a mini CIA? I well understand that all our browsing is followed...by a host of services that fill our mail box with goods and services from subscribers...or worse...!! Herb ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 09:54:27 PM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: Kolb-List: quit while you are behind!! You should feel violated, because Big Brother is definitely watching, but his name ain't Aircraft Spruce. He's much more of a Patriot (Act). You don't need some sophisticated NSA grade web crawler to find references to a particular item or company; it's built into every decent email client and forum application. I'd be surprised if there weren't Spruce employees that at least read the archives, along with a lot of other vendors who sell to homebuilders. Don't you think that someone from TNKolb is reading? I know that Van's Aircraft guys monitor lists and forums dedicated to RV's. They don't hype their stuff; they offer assistance and occasionally offer corrections if incorrect info shows up. It's in any vendor's best interest to monitor lists like this, because we're going to tell our friends what (and who) works and what (and who) doesn't. And it's usually in our best interest, as well, because most vendors will use that info to make improvements in their products or service. Just another opinion.... Charlie On 5/27/2015 10:46 PM, John Hauck wrote: > > Big Brother is watching. > > Makes one feel violated. > > I have been a member of the Kolb List for 17+ years. First time I have > experienced anything like this. I always felt our List was more or less > private, although not technically so. > > Nothing like being bugged. > > Is Aircraft Spruce a member of the Kolb List? > > john h > mkIII > Titus, Alabama > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herb > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 9:08 PM > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: quit while you are behind!! > > > > Is anyone thinking what I am thinking? Maybe I am the last to know? > > Companies must subscribe to services that scan the net looking for > keywords...kick them to the proper subscriber? sort of a mini CIA? > > I well understand that all our browsing is followed...by a host of > services that fill our mail box with goods and services from > subscribers...or worse...!! Herb > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 10:07:48 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Fwd: Kolb Anphib pic From: Larry Cottrell I got this from a friend of mine that lives on the Oregon Coast. I have never seen anything remotely like it. Any thoughts from the group. It looks scary to me. Larry ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Alexis Subject: Fwd: Kolb Anphib pic Hey Larry I am trying to find out if this is something you might know about My cousin and uncle are wanting to buy it but they need to find out more about Kolbs and if this sound like something that would work My cousin is Ron Wallace I believe his address will be with this .. If there is and input that you can provide they would like to hear it Toby ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Ron Wallace Subject: Kolb Anphib pic Toby, I=99m interested in buying this Kolb and am wondering if you know an yone that owns one, especially that is an anphib like this one. 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