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1. 04:07 AM - Aircraft Spruce (George Bearden)
2. 04:48 AM - rivets (Patrick Ladd)
3. 04:55 AM - Re: Fw: Kolb Anphib pic (John Hauck)
4. 07:27 AM - Re: quit while you are behind!! (Jason Omelchuck)
5. 07:46 AM - Re: Re: quit while you are behind!! (Herb)
6. 08:14 AM - Re: Fw: Kolb Anphib pic (Rick Neilsen)
7. 10:28 AM - Re: Fw: Kolb Anphib pic (Larry Cottrell)
8. 11:08 AM - Re: Fw: Kolb Anphib pic (Rick Neilsen)
9. 03:07 PM - Re: Re: Large head aluminum rivets (Dennis Rowe)
10. 03:13 PM - Re: quit while you are behind!! (Dennis Rowe)
11. 03:38 PM - Re: Re: Large head aluminum rivets (John Hauck)
12. 03:57 PM - Re: rivets (kinne russ)
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I am not at all upset that AS posted a msg to our group. They don't harangue
us with ads, they don't get in arguments on-line, they simply offered
information on a live topic. Yes, I too am not happy about the Big Brother
idea either.
I think everyone on here except me is certain they are talking about the
specific correct rivet needed for the Kolb wings. I read a story about a guy
who used rivets with the correct metal in the rivet, the correct shaft dia.,
the correct head diameter, but they didn't work because the lower edge of
the rivet heads was sharp and cut through the fabric. I am probably the only
one who is not certain that we are all talking apples/apples with all the
different sourced rivets.
I agree with Charlie's statement earlier. I am guessing that the cost of the
rivets is high because it isn't a standard item. I am guessing they just
don't sell tons of them. They have to keep track of the parts via computer
and warehouse, they have to pay flooring costs to have them on hand, the
have to physically store them... then try to make a profit w/o alienating
everyone in sight.
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Gosh you guys sure have hair triggers. Give the guys a break. If you
were supplying goods to the aircraft industry wouldn`t you keep an eye
on the literature? These days that includes lists and blogs. I don`t
see any `Big Brother` in that. Just good business practice.
They saw an item being criticised for being over priced and just pointed
out that it was being compared to a different product and mentioned the
fact that they also sell cheaper ones. Seems reasonable to me.
It appears that they support the sponsorship deal. Seems to show good
intent.
An old saying occurs to me. Something about `With hold your verdict
until all the evidence is in`
Incidentally its no good sending me posts telling me that I am wrong a I
am off to Norway for seven days in the morning.
Cheers
Pat
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Subject: | Fwd: Kolb Anphib pic |
Doesn't look like there is much Kolb left in that one.
I would not touch it.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry
Cottrell
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 12:07 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Fwd: Kolb Anphib pic
I got this from a friend of mine that lives on the Oregon Coast. I have
never seen anything remotely like it. Any thoughts from the group. It
looks scary to me.
Larry
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Alexis <parker.toby92@gmail.com>
Subject: Fwd: Kolb Anphib pic
Hey Larry I am trying to find out if this is something you might know
about My cousin and uncle are wanting to buy it but they need to
find out more about Kolbs and if this sound like something that would
work My cousin is Ron Wallace I believe his address will be with this
.. If there is and input that you can provide they would like to hear
it Toby
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Ron Wallace <ron@worldpiper.com>
Subject: Kolb Anphib pic
Toby,
I=99m interested in buying this Kolb and am wondering if you know
anyone that owns one, especially that is an anphib like this one.
I=99d like to chat with them.
=8B
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Subject: | Re: quit while you are behind!! |
I don't believe they are "monitoring" websites, like all good businesses they have
services (web crawlers) that notify them when their name is mentioned in any
web text. You could get the same service on your name and every time someone
mentioned your name on the web, they would send you a link to where it was
mentioned. Its not like they have to sit and read all the forums to see who is
saying what about them.
FWIW
Jason
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442671#442671
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Subject: | Re: quit while you are behind!! |
What I thought...Some sort of subscription service..
for instance,,,if my 1999 Jeep Grand Cherokee was rear ended and the
gas tank exploded, perhaps Fiat,Chrysler would like to know..:-)
Herb--out to the newly cleaned garage to cover Firefly wings...should
keep me of of the list and out of trouble/controversy for a while...:-)
On 05/28/2015 09:27 AM, Jason Omelchuck wrote:
>
> I don't believe they are "monitoring" websites, like all good businesses they
have services (web crawlers) that notify them when their name is mentioned in
any web text. You could get the same service on your name and every time someone
mentioned your name on the web, they would send you a link to where it was
mentioned. Its not like they have to sit and read all the forums to see who
is saying what about them.
>
> FWIW
> Jason
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442671#442671
>
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Subject: | Re: Fwd: Kolb Anphib pic |
Wow that looks really neet. I think I see a Kolb Firestar under there. The
hull seems to be designed to keep spray from the prop. The cockpit and
forward folding wind screen is nice. I would want to see it takeoff and
land on water. It even has one of the old Kolb trailers. Get some one that
knows Kolbs to check it out but go for it.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
=9CWhen one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. Wh
en many
people suffer from a delusion it is called a Religion.=9D
- Robert M. Pirsig
<http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/401.Robert_M_Pirsig>
On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 1:06 AM, Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020@gmail.com>
wrote:
> I got this from a friend of mine that lives on the Oregon Coast. I have
> never seen anything remotely like it. Any thoughts from the group. It loo
ks
> scary to me.
> Larry
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Alexis <parker.toby92@gmail.com>
> Date: Wed, May 27, 2015 at 10:02 PM
> Subject: Fwd: Kolb Anphib pic
> To: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020@gmail.com>
>
>
> Hey Larry I am trying to find out if this is something you might know
> about My cousin and uncle are wanting to buy it but they need to fin
d
> out more about Kolbs and if this sound like something that would work
My
> cousin is Ron Wallace I believe his address will be with this .. If there
> is and input that you can provide they would like to hear it Toby
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Ron Wallace <ron@worldpiper.com>
> Date: Wed, May 27, 2015 at 8:31 PM
> Subject: Kolb Anphib pic
> To: Toby Parker <parker.toby92@gmail.com>
>
>
> Toby,
>
> I=99m interested in buying this Kolb and am wondering if you know
anyone
> that owns one, especially that is an anphib like this one. I=99d
like to
> chat with them.
>
> =8B
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Fwd: Kolb Anphib pic |
While it does look interesting at first glance, I would wonder about its
"sea worthiness", not to mention of what its like to fly. I don't see that
the gear legs, and wheels move out of the way. I wonder what the effect of
sticking one of those suckers in the water if there was a bit of chop on
the water. Is it still a ground loop? Maybe a bit of a cross wind.? Lets
see- 14 foot wings compared to a 2 foot at its widest, bottom that is most
likely shaped into a wide Vee? I also notice that there is no N number. It
looks like a lot of work with very little thought. I could be prejudiced
since I live in the Desert.?????
Larry
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On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 9:13 AM, Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm@gmail.com> wrote:
> Wow that looks really neet. I think I see a Kolb Firestar under there. Th
e
> hull seems to be designed to keep spray from the prop. The cockpit and
> forward folding wind screen is nice. I would want to see it takeoff and
> land on water. It even has one of the old Kolb trailers. Get some one tha
t
> knows Kolbs to check it out but go for it.
>
> Rick Neilsen
> Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
> =9CWhen one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity.
When many
> people suffer from a delusion it is called a Religion.=9D
> - Robert M. Pirsig
> <http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/401.Robert_M_Pirsig>
>
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Subject: | Re: Fwd: Kolb Anphib pic |
Larry
Look at the gear legs as they go into the cage. It looks like they could be
retractable. There might be an issue with this being a LSA with
retractable. Some manufactures call the gear repositionable and the FAA
goes along with LSA. The lack of N number could be a bigger issue but?
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 1:27 PM, Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020@gmail.com>
wrote:
> While it does look interesting at first glance, I would wonder about its
> "sea worthiness", not to mention of what its like to fly. I don't see tha
t
> the gear legs, and wheels move out of the way. I wonder what the effect o
f
> sticking one of those suckers in the water if there was a bit of chop on
> the water. Is it still a ground loop? Maybe a bit of a cross wind.? Lets
> see- 14 foot wings compared to a 2 foot at its widest, bottom that is mos
t
> likely shaped into a wide Vee? I also notice that there is no N number.
> It looks like a lot of work with very little thought. I could be prejudic
ed
> since I live in the Desert.?????
> Larry
>
>
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> On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 9:13 AM, Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm@gmail.com> wrote
:
>
>> Wow that looks really neet. I think I see a Kolb Firestar under there.
>> The hull seems to be designed to keep spray from the prop. The cockpit a
nd
>> forward folding wind screen is nice. I would want to see it takeoff and
>> land on water. It even has one of the old Kolb trailers. Get some one th
at
>> knows Kolbs to check it out but go for it.
>>
>> Rick Neilsen
>> Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
>> =9CWhen one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity.
When
>> many people suffer from a delusion it is called a Religion.=9D
>> - Robert M. Pirsig
>> <http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/401.Robert_M_Pirsig>
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Subject: | Re: Large head aluminum rivets |
I'm referring to the gift swag Matt offers for contributions, I'm pretty sure Spruce
has been a player in helping Matt out with that sort of thing.
Again, just putting it out there that they have always treated me well even back
through the Alexander Aeroplane days.
And any company that isn't making a profit won't be there to help us very long.
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, Rotax 670,
Leechburg, PA
> On May 27, 2015, at 8:57 PM, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
> Dennis:
>
> My comments were intended for all commercial guys that use the Kolb List for
> profit. There are a few that hit us up to turn a profit at our expense.
>
> Irwin had the audacity to say his Customer Service had no intention of
> making a profit based on the info posted on our List.
>
> I usually take a look at the list of contributors to the Kolb List each
> year. Don't ever remember seeing them listed, but I wasn't looking for them
> at the time.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Rowe
> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 4:53 PM
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Large head aluminum rivets
>
>
> Easy here guys, I believe Spruce has sponsored Matts fundraiser drives with
> gifts for years. All their message said was "yeah, we have these rivets from
> so and so that may be overpriced, but we also sell these more reasonable
> price rivets that are equivalent.
> To me, I appreciated the info and have always found Spruce to be a great
> source for aviation products with great prices and better service.
> Am I missing something?
>
> Dennis "Skid" Rowe
> Mk3, Rotax 670,
> Leechburg, PA
>
>
>
>> On May 27, 2015, at 3:41 PM, Stuart Harner <stuart@harnerfarm.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> John,
>>
>> Exactly. Just make a mental note and use that as a reference when making
>> future purchase decisions.
>>
>> The other bug-a-boo about vendors that I have is the ones that are
>> lickity-split to reply when you have a purchase question, but won't
>> acknowledge your
>> existence after the sale. I currently have a beef with a certain avionics
>> company that won't respond to any attempted contact. I wonder what they
>> will have to say when I stand next to their booth at OSH this summer and
>> tell my story to all those gathered around. ;)
>>
>> Stuart
>> Do not archive
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hauck
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 1:52 PM
>> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Large head aluminum rivets
>>
>>
>> Commercial enterprises, large and small, that use this List for their
>> profit, rubs me the wrong way. I make a donation every year to keep the
>> List operating. I have never seen any of the businesses that advertise on
>> "our" List ever make the donation List.
>>
>> john h
>> mkIII
>> Titus, Alabama
>
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Subject: | Re: quit while you are behind!! |
I agree Charlie, this doesn't rise to the level of big brother with me, so much
worse things to get my panties twisted over.
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, Rotax 670,
Leechburg, PA
> On May 28, 2015, at 12:55 AM, Charlie England <ceengland7@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> You should feel violated, because Big Brother is definitely watching, but his
name ain't Aircraft Spruce. He's much more of a Patriot (Act).
>
> You don't need some sophisticated NSA grade web crawler to find references to
a particular item or company; it's built into every decent email client and forum
application. I'd be surprised if there weren't Spruce employees that at least
read the archives, along with a lot of other vendors who sell to homebuilders.
Don't you think that someone from TNKolb is reading? I know that Van's
Aircraft guys monitor lists and forums dedicated to RV's. They don't hype their
stuff; they offer assistance and occasionally offer corrections if incorrect
info shows up.
>
> It's in any vendor's best interest to monitor lists like this, because we're
going to tell our friends what (and who) works and what (and who) doesn't. And
it's usually in our best interest, as well, because most vendors will use that
info to make improvements in their products or service.
>
> Just another opinion....
>
> Charlie
>
>
>
>> On 5/27/2015 10:46 PM, John Hauck wrote:
>>
>> Big Brother is watching.
>>
>> Makes one feel violated.
>>
>> I have been a member of the Kolb List for 17+ years. First time I have
>> experienced anything like this. I always felt our List was more or less
>> private, although not technically so.
>>
>> Nothing like being bugged.
>>
>> Is Aircraft Spruce a member of the Kolb List?
>>
>> john h
>> mkIII
>> Titus, Alabama
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herb
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 9:08 PM
>> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: quit while you are behind!!
>>
>>
>>
>> Is anyone thinking what I am thinking? Maybe I am the last to know?
>>
>> Companies must subscribe to services that scan the net looking for
>> keywords...kick them to the proper subscriber? sort of a mini CIA?
>>
>> I well understand that all our browsing is followed...by a host of
>> services that fill our mail box with goods and services from
>> subscribers...or worse...!! Herb
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Large head aluminum rivets |
Guess my point was missed. I have been an Aircraft Spruce customer for 31
years. Used to fly to Griffin, GA, to pick up parts from Sue Alexander at
Alexander Aeroplane Company. She was a doll. Ron Alexander was there to
help and make a little money. Would go way out of their way to help a
fledgling home builder stuck in the backwoods of Alabama with no outside
help in the local area. Was a customer of all the companies Aircraft Spruce
has acquired since day one. I have no complaint about service from Aircraft
Spruce. They have helped me many, many times. Have always been quick to
ship, and quick to accept a return and give one their refund. I appreciate
that.
What I was trying to say is I felt an invasion of privacy when a commercial
enterprise suddenly makes a comment, their first and only comment, on the
Kolb List. I have always felt our List was private and here for folks that
build and fly Kolb aircraft. Period... When newcomers came on board we
used to urge them to introduce themselves. We were a technical and social
group of enthusiast.
I made a previous comment about large and small companies trying to turn a
dollar by posting to our List. One small company, in particular, posts
frequently, but only when he wants to sell something or grab some info in
order to sell something. Sorry gang, that type behavior rubs me the wrong
way.
Businesses are in business to make money, but not at the expense of our
privacy.
Kolb Aircraft Company is the exception, and has always been the exception.
If we don't support Kolb Aircraft Company as much as possible, we won't have
to worry about them invading our privacy.
I hate friggen email. Most difficult system to convey ones true thoughts.
Typed this during a frog strangling thunderstorm. Thunder, lightening, and
a complete white out. Lost the satellite as soon as it started raining.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Rowe
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Large head aluminum rivets
I'm referring to the gift swag Matt offers for contributions, I'm pretty
sure Spruce has been a player in helping Matt out with that sort of thing.
Again, just putting it out there that they have always treated me well even
back through the Alexander Aeroplane days.
And any company that isn't making a profit won't be there to help us very
long.
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, Rotax 670,
Leechburg, PA
> On May 27, 2015, at 8:57 PM, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
> Dennis:
>
> My comments were intended for all commercial guys that use the Kolb List
for
> profit. There are a few that hit us up to turn a profit at our expense.
>
> Irwin had the audacity to say his Customer Service had no intention of
> making a profit based on the info posted on our List.
>
> I usually take a look at the list of contributors to the Kolb List each
> year. Don't ever remember seeing them listed, but I wasn't looking for
them
> at the time.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Rowe
> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 4:53 PM
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Large head aluminum rivets
>
>
> Easy here guys, I believe Spruce has sponsored Matts fundraiser drives
with
> gifts for years. All their message said was "yeah, we have these rivets
from
> so and so that may be overpriced, but we also sell these more reasonable
> price rivets that are equivalent.
> To me, I appreciated the info and have always found Spruce to be a great
> source for aviation products with great prices and better service.
> Am I missing something?
>
> Dennis "Skid" Rowe
> Mk3, Rotax 670,
> Leechburg, PA
>
>
>
>> On May 27, 2015, at 3:41 PM, Stuart Harner <stuart@harnerfarm.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> John,
>>
>> Exactly. Just make a mental note and use that as a reference when making
>> future purchase decisions.
>>
>> The other bug-a-boo about vendors that I have is the ones that are
>> lickity-split to reply when you have a purchase question, but won't
>> acknowledge your
>> existence after the sale. I currently have a beef with a certain avionics
>> company that won't respond to any attempted contact. I wonder what they
>> will have to say when I stand next to their booth at OSH this summer and
>> tell my story to all those gathered around. ;)
>>
>> Stuart
>> Do not archive
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hauck
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 1:52 PM
>> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Large head aluminum rivets
>>
>>
>> Commercial enterprises, large and small, that use this List for their
>> profit, rubs me the wrong way. I make a donation every year to keep the
>> List operating. I have never seen any of the businesses that advertise
on
>> "our" List ever make the donation List.
>>
>> john h
>> mkIII
>> Titus, Alabama
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Bon Voyage, Pat! =97 got your trout rod with you?
Russ
> On May 28, 2015, at 7:47 AM, Patrick Ladd <patrickjladd@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Gosh you guys sure have hair triggers. Give the guys a break. If you
were supplying goods to the aircraft industry wouldn`t you keep an eye
on the literature? These days that includes lists and blogs. I don`t
see any `Big Brother` in that. Just good business practice.
> They saw an item being criticised for being over priced and just
pointed out that it was being compared to a different product and
mentioned the fact that they also sell cheaper ones. Seems reasonable to
me.
> It appears that they support the sponsorship deal. Seems to show good
intent.
>
> An old saying occurs to me. Something about `With hold your verdict
until all the evidence is in`
>
> Incidentally its no good sending me posts telling me that I am wrong a
I am off to Norway for seven days in the morning.
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> Cheers
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> Pat
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