Kolb-List Digest Archive

Thu 05/28/15


Total Messages Posted: 12



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 04:07 AM - Aircraft Spruce (George Bearden)
     2. 04:48 AM - rivets (Patrick Ladd)
     3. 04:55 AM - Re: Fw: Kolb Anphib pic (John Hauck)
     4. 07:27 AM - Re: quit while you are behind!! (Jason Omelchuck)
     5. 07:46 AM - Re: Re: quit while you are behind!! (Herb)
     6. 08:14 AM - Re: Fw: Kolb Anphib pic (Rick Neilsen)
     7. 10:28 AM - Re: Fw: Kolb Anphib pic (Larry Cottrell)
     8. 11:08 AM - Re: Fw: Kolb Anphib pic (Rick Neilsen)
     9. 03:07 PM - Re: Re: Large head aluminum rivets (Dennis Rowe)
    10. 03:13 PM - Re: quit while you are behind!! (Dennis Rowe)
    11. 03:38 PM - Re: Re: Large head aluminum rivets (John Hauck)
    12. 03:57 PM - Re: rivets (kinne russ)
 
 
 


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    Time: 04:07:11 AM PST US
    From: "George Bearden" <gab16@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Aircraft Spruce
    I am not at all upset that AS posted a msg to our group. They don't harangue us with ads, they don't get in arguments on-line, they simply offered information on a live topic. Yes, I too am not happy about the Big Brother idea either. I think everyone on here except me is certain they are talking about the specific correct rivet needed for the Kolb wings. I read a story about a guy who used rivets with the correct metal in the rivet, the correct shaft dia., the correct head diameter, but they didn't work because the lower edge of the rivet heads was sharp and cut through the fabric. I am probably the only one who is not certain that we are all talking apples/apples with all the different sourced rivets. I agree with Charlie's statement earlier. I am guessing that the cost of the rivets is high because it isn't a standard item. I am guessing they just don't sell tons of them. They have to keep track of the parts via computer and warehouse, they have to pay flooring costs to have them on hand, the have to physically store them... then try to make a profit w/o alienating everyone in sight.


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    Time: 04:48:06 AM PST US
    From: Patrick Ladd <patrickjladd@hotmail.com>
    Subject: rivets
    Gosh you guys sure have hair triggers. Give the guys a break. If you were supplying goods to the aircraft industry wouldn`t you keep an eye on the literature? These days that includes lists and blogs. I don`t see any `Big Brother` in that. Just good business practice. They saw an item being criticised for being over priced and just pointed out that it was being compared to a different product and mentioned the fact that they also sell cheaper ones. Seems reasonable to me. It appears that they support the sponsorship deal. Seems to show good intent. An old saying occurs to me. Something about `With hold your verdict until all the evidence is in` Incidentally its no good sending me posts telling me that I am wrong a I am off to Norway for seven days in the morning. Cheers Pat


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    Time: 04:55:11 AM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Fwd: Kolb Anphib pic
    Doesn't look like there is much Kolb left in that one. I would not touch it. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Cottrell Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 12:07 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Fwd: Kolb Anphib pic I got this from a friend of mine that lives on the Oregon Coast. I have never seen anything remotely like it. Any thoughts from the group. It looks scary to me. Larry ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Alexis <parker.toby92@gmail.com> Subject: Fwd: Kolb Anphib pic Hey Larry I am trying to find out if this is something you might know about My cousin and uncle are wanting to buy it but they need to find out more about Kolbs and if this sound like something that would work My cousin is Ron Wallace I believe his address will be with this .. If there is and input that you can provide they would like to hear it Toby ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Ron Wallace <ron@worldpiper.com> Subject: Kolb Anphib pic Toby, I=99m interested in buying this Kolb and am wondering if you know anyone that owns one, especially that is an anphib like this one. I=99d like to chat with them. =8B -- If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.


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    Time: 07:27:40 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: quit while you are behind!!
    From: "Jason Omelchuck" <jason@trek-tech.com>
    I don't believe they are "monitoring" websites, like all good businesses they have services (web crawlers) that notify them when their name is mentioned in any web text. You could get the same service on your name and every time someone mentioned your name on the web, they would send you a link to where it was mentioned. Its not like they have to sit and read all the forums to see who is saying what about them. FWIW Jason Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442671#442671


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    Time: 07:46:54 AM PST US
    From: Herb <Herbgh@nctc.com>
    Subject: Re: quit while you are behind!!
    What I thought...Some sort of subscription service.. for instance,,,if my 1999 Jeep Grand Cherokee was rear ended and the gas tank exploded, perhaps Fiat,Chrysler would like to know..:-) Herb--out to the newly cleaned garage to cover Firefly wings...should keep me of of the list and out of trouble/controversy for a while...:-) On 05/28/2015 09:27 AM, Jason Omelchuck wrote: > > I don't believe they are "monitoring" websites, like all good businesses they have services (web crawlers) that notify them when their name is mentioned in any web text. You could get the same service on your name and every time someone mentioned your name on the web, they would send you a link to where it was mentioned. Its not like they have to sit and read all the forums to see who is saying what about them. > > FWIW > Jason > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442671#442671 > >


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    Time: 08:14:07 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Fwd: Kolb Anphib pic
    From: Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm@gmail.com>
    Wow that looks really neet. I think I see a Kolb Firestar under there. The hull seems to be designed to keep spray from the prop. The cockpit and forward folding wind screen is nice. I would want to see it takeoff and land on water. It even has one of the old Kolb trailers. Get some one that knows Kolbs to check it out but go for it. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC =9CWhen one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. Wh en many people suffer from a delusion it is called a Religion.=9D - Robert M. Pirsig <http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/401.Robert_M_Pirsig> On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 1:06 AM, Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020@gmail.com> wrote: > I got this from a friend of mine that lives on the Oregon Coast. I have > never seen anything remotely like it. Any thoughts from the group. It loo ks > scary to me. > Larry > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Alexis <parker.toby92@gmail.com> > Date: Wed, May 27, 2015 at 10:02 PM > Subject: Fwd: Kolb Anphib pic > To: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020@gmail.com> > > > Hey Larry I am trying to find out if this is something you might know > about My cousin and uncle are wanting to buy it but they need to fin d > out more about Kolbs and if this sound like something that would work My > cousin is Ron Wallace I believe his address will be with this .. If there > is and input that you can provide they would like to hear it Toby > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Ron Wallace <ron@worldpiper.com> > Date: Wed, May 27, 2015 at 8:31 PM > Subject: Kolb Anphib pic > To: Toby Parker <parker.toby92@gmail.com> > > > Toby, > > I=99m interested in buying this Kolb and am wondering if you know anyone > that owns one, especially that is an anphib like this one. I=99d like to > chat with them. > > =8B > > > -- > *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email > address before sending.* >


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    Time: 10:28:33 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Fwd: Kolb Anphib pic
    From: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020@gmail.com>
    While it does look interesting at first glance, I would wonder about its "sea worthiness", not to mention of what its like to fly. I don't see that the gear legs, and wheels move out of the way. I wonder what the effect of sticking one of those suckers in the water if there was a bit of chop on the water. Is it still a ground loop? Maybe a bit of a cross wind.? Lets see- 14 foot wings compared to a 2 foot at its widest, bottom that is most likely shaped into a wide Vee? I also notice that there is no N number. It looks like a lot of work with very little thought. I could be prejudiced since I live in the Desert.????? Larry --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------ On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 9:13 AM, Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm@gmail.com> wrote: > Wow that looks really neet. I think I see a Kolb Firestar under there. Th e > hull seems to be designed to keep spray from the prop. The cockpit and > forward folding wind screen is nice. I would want to see it takeoff and > land on water. It even has one of the old Kolb trailers. Get some one tha t > knows Kolbs to check it out but go for it. > > Rick Neilsen > Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC > =9CWhen one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When many > people suffer from a delusion it is called a Religion.=9D > - Robert M. Pirsig > <http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/401.Robert_M_Pirsig> > >> =8B >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email >> address before sending.* >> > > * > =========== onics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List> =========== =========== om/contribution> =========== > > * > > -- *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.*


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    Time: 11:08:51 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Fwd: Kolb Anphib pic
    From: Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm@gmail.com>
    Larry Look at the gear legs as they go into the cage. It looks like they could be retractable. There might be an issue with this being a LSA with retractable. Some manufactures call the gear repositionable and the FAA goes along with LSA. The lack of N number could be a bigger issue but? Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 1:27 PM, Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020@gmail.com> wrote: > While it does look interesting at first glance, I would wonder about its > "sea worthiness", not to mention of what its like to fly. I don't see tha t > the gear legs, and wheels move out of the way. I wonder what the effect o f > sticking one of those suckers in the water if there was a bit of chop on > the water. Is it still a ground loop? Maybe a bit of a cross wind.? Lets > see- 14 foot wings compared to a 2 foot at its widest, bottom that is mos t > likely shaped into a wide Vee? I also notice that there is no N number. > It looks like a lot of work with very little thought. I could be prejudic ed > since I live in the Desert.????? > Larry > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------- > On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 9:13 AM, Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm@gmail.com> wrote : > >> Wow that looks really neet. I think I see a Kolb Firestar under there. >> The hull seems to be designed to keep spray from the prop. The cockpit a nd >> forward folding wind screen is nice. I would want to see it takeoff and >> land on water. It even has one of the old Kolb trailers. Get some one th at >> knows Kolbs to check it out but go for it. >> >> Rick Neilsen >> Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC >> =9CWhen one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When >> many people suffer from a delusion it is called a Religion.=9D >> - Robert M. Pirsig >> <http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/401.Robert_M_Pirsig> >> >>> =8B >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email >>> address before sending.* >>> >> >> * >> >> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List <http://www. matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List> >> tp://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com> >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution <http://www.matronics.com/ contribution> >> >> * >> >> > > > -- > *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email > address before sending.* > > * > =========== onics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List> =========== =========== om/contribution> =========== > > * > >


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    Time: 03:07:06 PM PST US
    From: Dennis Rowe <rowedenny@windstream.net>
    Subject: Re: Large head aluminum rivets
    I'm referring to the gift swag Matt offers for contributions, I'm pretty sure Spruce has been a player in helping Matt out with that sort of thing. Again, just putting it out there that they have always treated me well even back through the Alexander Aeroplane days. And any company that isn't making a profit won't be there to help us very long. Dennis "Skid" Rowe Mk3, Rotax 670, Leechburg, PA > On May 27, 2015, at 8:57 PM, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote: > > > Dennis: > > My comments were intended for all commercial guys that use the Kolb List for > profit. There are a few that hit us up to turn a profit at our expense. > > Irwin had the audacity to say his Customer Service had no intention of > making a profit based on the info posted on our List. > > I usually take a look at the list of contributors to the Kolb List each > year. Don't ever remember seeing them listed, but I wasn't looking for them > at the time. > > john h > mkIII > Titus, Alabama > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Rowe > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 4:53 PM > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Large head aluminum rivets > > > Easy here guys, I believe Spruce has sponsored Matts fundraiser drives with > gifts for years. All their message said was "yeah, we have these rivets from > so and so that may be overpriced, but we also sell these more reasonable > price rivets that are equivalent. > To me, I appreciated the info and have always found Spruce to be a great > source for aviation products with great prices and better service. > Am I missing something? > > Dennis "Skid" Rowe > Mk3, Rotax 670, > Leechburg, PA > > > >> On May 27, 2015, at 3:41 PM, Stuart Harner <stuart@harnerfarm.net> wrote: >> >> >> John, >> >> Exactly. Just make a mental note and use that as a reference when making >> future purchase decisions. >> >> The other bug-a-boo about vendors that I have is the ones that are >> lickity-split to reply when you have a purchase question, but won't >> acknowledge your >> existence after the sale. I currently have a beef with a certain avionics >> company that won't respond to any attempted contact. I wonder what they >> will have to say when I stand next to their booth at OSH this summer and >> tell my story to all those gathered around. ;) >> >> Stuart >> Do not archive >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hauck >> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 1:52 PM >> To: kolb-list@matronics.com >> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Large head aluminum rivets >> >> >> Commercial enterprises, large and small, that use this List for their >> profit, rubs me the wrong way. I make a donation every year to keep the >> List operating. I have never seen any of the businesses that advertise on >> "our" List ever make the donation List. >> >> john h >> mkIII >> Titus, Alabama > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 03:13:47 PM PST US
    From: Dennis Rowe <rowedenny@windstream.net>
    Subject: Re: quit while you are behind!!
    I agree Charlie, this doesn't rise to the level of big brother with me, so much worse things to get my panties twisted over. Dennis "Skid" Rowe Mk3, Rotax 670, Leechburg, PA > On May 28, 2015, at 12:55 AM, Charlie England <ceengland7@gmail.com> wrote: > > > You should feel violated, because Big Brother is definitely watching, but his name ain't Aircraft Spruce. He's much more of a Patriot (Act). > > You don't need some sophisticated NSA grade web crawler to find references to a particular item or company; it's built into every decent email client and forum application. I'd be surprised if there weren't Spruce employees that at least read the archives, along with a lot of other vendors who sell to homebuilders. Don't you think that someone from TNKolb is reading? I know that Van's Aircraft guys monitor lists and forums dedicated to RV's. They don't hype their stuff; they offer assistance and occasionally offer corrections if incorrect info shows up. > > It's in any vendor's best interest to monitor lists like this, because we're going to tell our friends what (and who) works and what (and who) doesn't. And it's usually in our best interest, as well, because most vendors will use that info to make improvements in their products or service. > > Just another opinion.... > > Charlie > > > >> On 5/27/2015 10:46 PM, John Hauck wrote: >> >> Big Brother is watching. >> >> Makes one feel violated. >> >> I have been a member of the Kolb List for 17+ years. First time I have >> experienced anything like this. I always felt our List was more or less >> private, although not technically so. >> >> Nothing like being bugged. >> >> Is Aircraft Spruce a member of the Kolb List? >> >> john h >> mkIII >> Titus, Alabama >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herb >> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 9:08 PM >> To: kolb-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: quit while you are behind!! >> >> >> >> Is anyone thinking what I am thinking? Maybe I am the last to know? >> >> Companies must subscribe to services that scan the net looking for >> keywords...kick them to the proper subscriber? sort of a mini CIA? >> >> I well understand that all our browsing is followed...by a host of >> services that fill our mail box with goods and services from >> subscribers...or worse...!! Herb >> >> > > > > >


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    Time: 03:38:48 PM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Large head aluminum rivets
    Guess my point was missed. I have been an Aircraft Spruce customer for 31 years. Used to fly to Griffin, GA, to pick up parts from Sue Alexander at Alexander Aeroplane Company. She was a doll. Ron Alexander was there to help and make a little money. Would go way out of their way to help a fledgling home builder stuck in the backwoods of Alabama with no outside help in the local area. Was a customer of all the companies Aircraft Spruce has acquired since day one. I have no complaint about service from Aircraft Spruce. They have helped me many, many times. Have always been quick to ship, and quick to accept a return and give one their refund. I appreciate that. What I was trying to say is I felt an invasion of privacy when a commercial enterprise suddenly makes a comment, their first and only comment, on the Kolb List. I have always felt our List was private and here for folks that build and fly Kolb aircraft. Period... When newcomers came on board we used to urge them to introduce themselves. We were a technical and social group of enthusiast. I made a previous comment about large and small companies trying to turn a dollar by posting to our List. One small company, in particular, posts frequently, but only when he wants to sell something or grab some info in order to sell something. Sorry gang, that type behavior rubs me the wrong way. Businesses are in business to make money, but not at the expense of our privacy. Kolb Aircraft Company is the exception, and has always been the exception. If we don't support Kolb Aircraft Company as much as possible, we won't have to worry about them invading our privacy. I hate friggen email. Most difficult system to convey ones true thoughts. Typed this during a frog strangling thunderstorm. Thunder, lightening, and a complete white out. Lost the satellite as soon as it started raining. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Rowe Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 5:07 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Large head aluminum rivets I'm referring to the gift swag Matt offers for contributions, I'm pretty sure Spruce has been a player in helping Matt out with that sort of thing. Again, just putting it out there that they have always treated me well even back through the Alexander Aeroplane days. And any company that isn't making a profit won't be there to help us very long. Dennis "Skid" Rowe Mk3, Rotax 670, Leechburg, PA > On May 27, 2015, at 8:57 PM, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote: > > > Dennis: > > My comments were intended for all commercial guys that use the Kolb List for > profit. There are a few that hit us up to turn a profit at our expense. > > Irwin had the audacity to say his Customer Service had no intention of > making a profit based on the info posted on our List. > > I usually take a look at the list of contributors to the Kolb List each > year. Don't ever remember seeing them listed, but I wasn't looking for them > at the time. > > john h > mkIII > Titus, Alabama > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Rowe > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 4:53 PM > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Large head aluminum rivets > > > Easy here guys, I believe Spruce has sponsored Matts fundraiser drives with > gifts for years. All their message said was "yeah, we have these rivets from > so and so that may be overpriced, but we also sell these more reasonable > price rivets that are equivalent. > To me, I appreciated the info and have always found Spruce to be a great > source for aviation products with great prices and better service. > Am I missing something? > > Dennis "Skid" Rowe > Mk3, Rotax 670, > Leechburg, PA > > > >> On May 27, 2015, at 3:41 PM, Stuart Harner <stuart@harnerfarm.net> wrote: >> >> >> John, >> >> Exactly. Just make a mental note and use that as a reference when making >> future purchase decisions. >> >> The other bug-a-boo about vendors that I have is the ones that are >> lickity-split to reply when you have a purchase question, but won't >> acknowledge your >> existence after the sale. I currently have a beef with a certain avionics >> company that won't respond to any attempted contact. I wonder what they >> will have to say when I stand next to their booth at OSH this summer and >> tell my story to all those gathered around. ;) >> >> Stuart >> Do not archive >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hauck >> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 1:52 PM >> To: kolb-list@matronics.com >> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Large head aluminum rivets >> >> >> Commercial enterprises, large and small, that use this List for their >> profit, rubs me the wrong way. I make a donation every year to keep the >> List operating. I have never seen any of the businesses that advertise on >> "our" List ever make the donation List. >> >> john h >> mkIII >> Titus, Alabama > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 03:57:37 PM PST US
    From: kinne russ <russk50@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: rivets
    Bon Voyage, Pat! =97 got your trout rod with you? Russ > On May 28, 2015, at 7:47 AM, Patrick Ladd <patrickjladd@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Gosh you guys sure have hair triggers. Give the guys a break. If you were supplying goods to the aircraft industry wouldn`t you keep an eye on the literature? These days that includes lists and blogs. I don`t see any `Big Brother` in that. Just good business practice. > They saw an item being criticised for being over priced and just pointed out that it was being compared to a different product and mentioned the fact that they also sell cheaper ones. Seems reasonable to me. > It appears that they support the sponsorship deal. Seems to show good intent. > > An old saying occurs to me. Something about `With hold your verdict until all the evidence is in` > > Incidentally its no good sending me posts telling me that I am wrong a I am off to Norway for seven days in the morning. > > Cheers > > Pat > > <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List> <http://www.matronics.com/contribution> >




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