---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 05/29/15: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:32 AM - Re: rivets (Patrick Ladd) 2. 11:35 AM - Pitot Source (Leland.Lam) 3. 11:54 AM - Re: Pitot Source (Charlie England) 4. 12:34 PM - Re: Pitot Source (Martin Koxxy) 5. 01:01 PM - Re: Pitot Source (Stuart Harner) 6. 01:44 PM - Re: Pitot Source (Leland.Lam) 7. 05:19 PM - Re: Pitot Source (John Hauck) 8. 06:00 PM - Re: Pitot Source (Larry Cottrell) 9. 08:26 PM - Re: Pitot Source (Stuart Harner) 10. 08:26 PM - Re: Pitot Source (Stuart Harner) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:32:37 AM PST US From: Patrick Ladd Subject: Re: Kolb-List: rivets Hi Russ, no such luck. A weeks cruise. Southampton to Stavangar first leg. Its raining and blowing up a hooghlie at the moment and the temps in Norway are way down. Taking my wheelchair but don`t anticipate getting around too much. Sit on the boat and read and draw. Shame. this is the first time I have ventured abroad since I was taken ill 5 years ago on the eve of going to the States.. Tal;k to you in a week. Pat From: kinne russ Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 11:57 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: rivets Bon Voyage, Pat! =97 got your trout rod with you? Russ On May 28, 2015, at 7:47 AM, Patrick Ladd wrote: Gosh you guys sure have hair triggers. Give the guys a break. If you were supplying goods to the aircraft industry wouldn`t you keep an eye on the literature? These days that includes lists and blogs. I don`t see any `Big Brother` in that. Just good business practice. They saw an item being criticised for being over priced and just pointed out that it was being compared to a different product and mentioned the fact that they also sell cheaper ones. Seems reasonable to me. It appears that they support the sponsorship deal. Seems to show good intent. An old saying occurs to me. Something about `With hold your verdict until all the evidence is in` Incidentally its no good sending me posts telling me that I am wrong a I am off to Norway for seven days in the morning. Cheers Pat class="">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List class="">http://forums.matronics.com class="">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 11:35:35 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Pitot Source From: "Leland.Lam" Ok Kolbers I have a dilemma that I need advice on. I am installing an MGL altimeter in my Mark III and it comes with the integrated ASI. I already have an Airspeed indicator so the question becomes: 1) Can a single Pitot ram air source be split to drive two ASI? 2) Ignore the MGL ASI and use the old analog ASI already in the plane. 3) Install an additional Pitot tube. It would be nice to have a redundant system, but I am not really all that excited about installing another pitot tube. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442764#442764 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:54:21 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Pitot Source From: Charlie England On May 29, 2015 1:35:05 PM CDT, "Leland.Lam" wrote: > >Ok Kolbers I have a dilemma that I need advice on. I am installing an >MGL altimeter in my Mark III and it comes with the integrated ASI. I >already have an Airspeed indicator so the question becomes: > > > 1) Can a single Pitot ram air source be split to drive two ASI? > 2) Ignore the MGL ASI and use the old analog ASI already in the plane. > 3) Install an additional Pitot tube. > >It would be nice to have a redundant system, but I am not really all >that excited about installing another pitot tube. > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442764#442764 > > Or 4: remove the old a/s indicator... -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:34:08 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Pitot Source From: Martin Koxxy I have seen several specs for instruments that use pitot pressure saying that one pitot for several instruments is OK. Makes sense when you realize that a pitot system does not actually move air, but rather transmits pressure. The only downside is that you give up redundancy (clogged or disconnected tubing, leaking fittings). BTW, do not try to blow out obstructions without disconnecting the instrument(s). That goes for the static port as well. On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 11:35 AM, Leland.Lam wrote: > > Ok Kolbers I have a dilemma that I need advice on. I am installing an MGL > altimeter in my Mark III and it comes with the integrated ASI. I already > have an Airspeed indicator so the question becomes: > > > 1) Can a single Pitot ram air source be split to drive two ASI? > 2) Ignore the MGL ASI and use the old analog ASI already in the plane. > 3) Install an additional Pitot tube. > > It would be nice to have a redundant system, but I am not really all that > excited about installing another pitot tube. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442764#442764 > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:01:13 PM PST US From: "Stuart Harner" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Pitot Source If I were to have redundant ASI systems, I would not want them tied together for the sake of redundancy. Past experience: 1) Forced the rear end of a bug into the pitot tube while on takeoff roll. Airspeed was up, rotated and started climb out. Glanced back at ASI and it was at 0! I would want the second pitot tube several inches from the first so that a really big butt bug couldn't plug them both. The odds of spearing a bug on takeoff, fairly large. Spearing two on the same flight? 2) Child of passenger crawled under the wing and broke the pitot tube after I had checked in on pre-flight. Little bugger "put it back" so as to cover up the damage. It worked fine until we were in the air. In this case, the kid probably would have busted two pitot tubes if he could have...... There is no substitute for the "seat of your pants". :) Stuart -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Leland.Lam Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 1:35 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Pitot Source Ok Kolbers I have a dilemma that I need advice on. I am installing an MGL altimeter in my Mark III and it comes with the integrated ASI. I already have an Airspeed indicator so the question becomes: 1) Can a single Pitot ram air source be split to drive two ASI? 2) Ignore the MGL ASI and use the old analog ASI already in the plane. 3) Install an additional Pitot tube. It would be nice to have a redundant system, but I am not really all that excited about installing another pitot tube. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442764#442764 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:44:59 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Pitot Source From: "Leland.Lam" Thank you for all of the replies. I was happy with just one ASI, but I needed an altimeter and since the MGL has the ASI built into it I was hoping to utilize this function. I am flying in and out of a Class D under the Mode C veil of PHX, so I have had to add a few things into the airplane to keep the controllers happy. Many thanks to you all, Leland Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442779#442779 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:19:10 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Pitot Source How does one tell airspeed by the seat of their pants? john h mkIII Meridian, MS There is no substitute for the "seat of your pants". :) Stuart ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:00:08 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Pitot Source From: Larry Cottrell I tell by how big a bite I am taking out of my shorts. :-) It helps to err on the side of TOO FAST. :-) Larry On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 6:18 PM, John Hauck wrote: > > How does one tell airspeed by the seat of their pants? > > john h > mkIII > Meridian, MS > > > There is no substitute for the "seat of your pants". :) > > Stuart > > -- *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.* ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:26:16 PM PST US From: "Stuart Harner" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Pitot Source Yeah, when I smucked that bug with the pitot, I must have been doing 90 MPH when the Chief got back to earth. J Actually, probably not. Years later, I realized that after the runway was made, I never look at the ASI. It took a question from a fellow pilot about what speed I touch down at. I realized I couldn=99t answer it because I never look at the panel when I touch down, I am concentrating on the runway at that moment. I have to force myself to look inside. Stuart From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Cottrell Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 8:00 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Pitot Source I tell by how big a bite I am taking out of my shorts. :-) It helps to err on the side of TOO FAST. :-) Larry On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 6:18 PM, John Hauck wrote: How does one tell airspeed by the seat of their pants? john h mkIII Meridian, MS There is no substitute for the "seat of your pants". :) Stuart -List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List FORUMS - _blank">http://forums.matronics.com b Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:26:21 PM PST US From: "Stuart Harner" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Pitot Source The friction causes them to heat up. :) Altitude too: Grass stains mean you were too low and ice means you were too high. Attitude too: Sun burn means you were upside down. Brown stains means, well you can imagine that one! Stuart -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hauck Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 7:19 PM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Pitot Source How does one tell airspeed by the seat of their pants? john h mkIII Meridian, MS There is no substitute for the "seat of your pants". :) Stuart ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.