---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 06/13/15: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:32 AM - Re: Reducer /Retarder (Richard Pike) 2. 06:03 AM - Re: Reducer /Retarder (Herb) 3. 06:05 AM - Re: Re: Reducer /Retarder (Herb) 4. 10:04 AM - Re: Removing bolt from elevator control mechanism (Mcabbage) 5. 02:41 PM - Re: Regucer /Retarder (Stuart Harner) 6. 05:38 PM - Re: Regucer /Retarder (Herb) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:32:55 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Reducer /Retarder From: "Richard Pike" Stits has 2 types of reducer, one for cooler temps, and one for hotter. Can't remember which airplane I was painting, but using a HVLP unit I started getting cobwebs, as the air coming through the unit was somewhat heated, and it was also a hot day. Got a different reducer and that fixed it. Check out this page, it lists 2 different reducers depending on the ambient air temp. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/pdf/2015Individual/Cat15405.pdf -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Kingsport, TN 3TN0 There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, 'Thy will be done,' and those to whom God says, 'All right, then, have it your way.' Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=443451#443451 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:03:43 AM PST US From: Herb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Reducer /Retarder Stuart I have the first coat of poly brush on the wings...and need to begin to spray...another coat of poly brush, then couple of cross coats of poly spray and on to the poly tone... I know that Stitts is basically Mek and Acetone with some sort of slowing agent in the mix...and something akin to poly vinyl acetate for the glue.. Elmer's glue on steroids?? :-) Back some years ago(around the time I was shamed by the old pride lions on the list for suggesting that a type of ribbon(shouldn't have called it ribbon!) could be used as reinforcing tape) :-) ..I considered trying to make the Stitts paint brew at home...and came to the conclusion that it is something like a quart of Acetone, a quart of Mek, some alcohol to slow the drying and the vinlyl acetate(maybe something akin to hot glue sticks dissolved therein... ?) I call it Poly Vinyl Acetate for that was as close as I could come doing a web study... My first painting experience with Poly products was in a hot garage in the middle of summer...and the paint dried before it reached the fabric,,lots of cob webs floating in the air... I used reducer / retarder after that... and got up very early...to begin the process. Chilling the paint to 60 degrees or so should work...then again...do not want to recover the wings !! Will likely make a frame with some fabric on it and experiment... Failing that , will order a couple of gallons of reducer/retarder.. This Firefly came to me in the quick build condition with the fuselage and tail feathers painted... I have installed the engine, prop, wired the instruments and covered the wings .. Currently using my lathe to turn wheel spindles to mount mountain bike brakes... The best and cheapest way to go for brakes.. salvage yards are full of bikes these days...Kids are too busy with games to ride bikes, but the parents go through the ritual anyway....I get them for a buck or two...Usually just mounted on the front wheel..the calliper will be mounted in opposite directions on each side of the Firefly .. Brakes on a Kolb,imho, are only good for ground handling...and in a real emergency when sacrificing the nose cone seems the best choice..:-) 33 dollars and change on Ebay for the cheapest , shipped from the USA. Herb On 06/12/2015 10:34 PM, Stuart Harner wrote: > > Herb, > > Wow, that is an intriguing question. > > Evaporation causes cooling which causes condensation which causes blushing. > > If the paint is cool to start with it will evaporate slower (I think) so that should slow condensation. > > BUT cooler paint might cause condensation to start with. Hmmmm. > > Which came first the chicken or the egg type question. > > I think I have a can of retarder in the shop. I will look tomorrow to see if it lists the ingredients. Toluene or tolulol (sp) and maybe lacquer thinner? > > Are you painting already or just getting ready? > > Stuart > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herb > Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 9:06 PM > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kolb-List: Regucer /Retarder > > > Are there other reducer/retarder chemicals that would work with the > Stitts, Poly fiber ? If not,,wonder what the effect of cooling poly > Brush in the fridge before applying? Would that work? Herb > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:05:55 AM PST US From: Herb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Reducer /Retarder right Richard...checked them out some time ago...used the 85 deg retarder /reducer on my last paint job... Works as advertised...just wondering if there are alternatives...? Herb On 06/13/2015 07:32 AM, Richard Pike wrote: > > Stits has 2 types of reducer, one for cooler temps, and one for hotter. Can't remember which airplane I was painting, but using a HVLP unit I started getting cobwebs, as the air coming through the unit was somewhat heated, and it was also a hot day. Got a different reducer and that fixed it. > Check out this page, it lists 2 different reducers depending on the ambient air temp. > http://www.aircraftspruce.com/pdf/2015Individual/Cat15405.pdf > > -------- > Richard Pike > Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > Kingsport, TN 3TN0 > There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, 'Thy will be done,' and those to whom God says, 'All right, then, have it your way.' > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=443451#443451 > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:04:47 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Removing bolt from elevator control mechanism From: "Mcabbage" Success! I tried a 5 inch bench vise but it was still not budging so I got a harbor freight bearing press and that did the trick. thank you -------- 2007 Firestar 2 503 N203SD Moster 185 flattop PPG/Sky K2 Paraglider Trike Buggy Soaring Trike & Northwing Stratus XP Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=443458#443458 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:41:25 PM PST US From: "Stuart Harner" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Regucer /Retarder Herb, Dug out a can of BR-8600 Blush Retarder. Contents: Ethylene Glycol Butyl Ether No other ingredients listed. Boy, I would have to dig out an old college Chemistry book to see how to make that. Heck, it has been nearly 35 years since I was in Chemistry class, Ethylene Glycol Butyl Ether may not have even been invented yet! 1 to 4 ounces of BR-8600 per Gallon of Poly-Brush, Poly-Spray, or Poly-Tone, according to the label. Stuart -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herb Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 9:06 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Regucer /Retarder Are there other reducer/retarder chemicals that would work with the Stitts, Poly fiber ? If not,,wonder what the effect of cooling poly Brush in the fridge before applying? Would that work? Herb ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:38:47 PM PST US From: Herb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Regucer /Retarder slice of lemon and it goes down pretty well!! :-) I think I will spring for a gal or two...thanks Herb On 06/13/2015 04:40 PM, Stuart Harner wrote: > > Herb, > > Dug out a can of BR-8600 Blush Retarder. > > Contents: Ethylene Glycol Butyl Ether > > No other ingredients listed. > > Boy, I would have to dig out an old college Chemistry book to see how to make that. Heck, it has been nearly 35 years since I was in Chemistry class, Ethylene Glycol Butyl Ether may not have even been invented yet! > > 1 to 4 ounces of BR-8600 per Gallon of Poly-Brush, Poly-Spray, or Poly-Tone, according to the label. > > Stuart > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herb > Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 9:06 PM > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kolb-List: Regucer /Retarder > > > Are there other reducer/retarder chemicals that would work with the > Stitts, Poly fiber ? If not,,wonder what the effect of cooling poly > Brush in the fridge before applying? Would that work? 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