---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 07/09/15: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:33 AM - Re: M3x wing and stab incidence (baberdk) 2. 10:05 AM - Re: M3x wing and stab incidence (Flylawnchairs) 3. 10:36 AM - Re: Re: M3x wing and stab incidence (Richard Girard) 4. 10:47 AM - elevator cables (Herb) 5. 12:13 PM - Re: elevator cables (Stuart Harner) 6. 12:34 PM - Re: elevator cables (Herb) 7. 08:54 PM - Re: Jabiru Engine Performance and Cooling (Dee LeBlanc) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:33:25 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: M3x wing and stab incidence From: "baberdk" Can you post it when you find out so the rest of us don't have to search individually? Thank you. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=444599#444599 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:05:40 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: M3x wing and stab incidence From: "Flylawnchairs" Talked with Bryan this morning. The older m3x like mine (2004) was changed from the mps of 1.5 dihedral and 1.4 aoi for the wing. He explained to me that the top of the root rib wing mounting tab and the top of the fork mounted on the end of the carry thru spar should match. He said it used to be they matched at the bottom. The horizontal stab location is now one quarter inch higher measuring from the bottom of the leading edge horizontal.stab tube to the apex of the boom tube measured from the the side of it. Gene Wilson 928-240-1244 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=444607#444607 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:36:34 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: M3x wing and stab incidence From: Richard Girard Try this link: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=82076&highlight=incidence+angle >From the text I retrieved the following: Using the engine mount as the datum angle, the bottom surface of the MK3X wing should be +2.8 degrees. The boom s/b -6.1 degrees. The horizontal stabilizer may need to be set as much as -1 degree in reference to the boom (-7.1 degrees from the motor mount datum) in order to get the plane to fly in trim. Rick Girard On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 8:33 AM, baberdk wrote: > > Can you post it when you find out so the rest of us don't have to search > individually? Thank you. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=444599#444599 > > -- Believe those who are seeking the truth, doubt those who find it. -Andre Gide ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:47:49 AM PST US From: Herb Subject: Kolb-List: elevator cables been a while since I built my first Firefly...could call Bryan...but since Travis left...know he is very busy... got all my "left behind Parts" from California today...after more than a month of promises...Even the engine mounts! :-) 10 gal tank and fuel gauge sender... this firefly was going to be heavy!!! Question...It appears that the book and plans manual do not show the two sets of Pulleys coming directly from the rudder pedals and control stick(under the seat, two to each side of the aileron torque tube, ... so...Which side,,,standing behind the cockpit and looking down, does the top Elevator cable thread through? I know they occupy the inner two pulleys...and likely it does not matter..It probably matters that pushing the stick forward moves the elevator down...:-) .Herb ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:13:31 PM PST US From: "Stuart Harner" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: elevator cables Herb, I don't think it really matters. I mounted the turnbuckle directly to the joystick and picked the down elevator cable (upper cable on joystick) to go on the right side. Since the turnbuckle had to go on one side or the other, I used that to pick the pulley. I think there was a joystick revision somewhere along the Firefly line as mine was not the same as what was in the manual. You can kind of see it here: http://harnerfarm.net/serenity/Images/building1/seatlg.JPG If you want a different picture, I can send one to you. Stuart Looking forward to visiting with Bryan at OSH in a couple of weeks. Are you going? -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herb Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 12:47 PM Subject: Kolb-List: elevator cables been a while since I built my first Firefly...could call Bryan...but since Travis left...know he is very busy... got all my "left behind Parts" from California today...after more than a month of promises...Even the engine mounts! :-) 10 gal tank and fuel gauge sender... this firefly was going to be heavy!!! Question...It appears that the book and plans manual do not show the two sets of Pulleys coming directly from the rudder pedals and control stick(under the seat, two to each side of the aileron torque tube, ... so...Which side,,,standing behind the cockpit and looking down, does the top Elevator cable thread through? I know they occupy the inner two pulleys...and likely it does not matter..It probably matters that pushing the stick forward moves the elevator down...:-) .Herb ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:34:00 PM PST US From: Herb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: elevator cables Guess I could have taken a clue from the plans that show the top elevator cable going to the right middle pulley on the assy at the front end of the boom tube... :-) will not be at Oshkosh...will see Bryan and Helen and Dennis next week...going through there on my way to visit Kin in East Ky...Herb On 07/09/2015 02:13 PM, Stuart Harner wrote: > > Herb, > > I don't think it really matters. I mounted the turnbuckle directly to the joystick and picked the down elevator cable (upper cable on joystick) to go on the right side. Since the turnbuckle had to go on one side or the other, I used that to pick the pulley. > > I think there was a joystick revision somewhere along the Firefly line as mine was not the same as what was in the manual. > > You can kind of see it here: http://harnerfarm.net/serenity/Images/building1/seatlg.JPG > > If you want a different picture, I can send one to you. > > Stuart > > Looking forward to visiting with Bryan at OSH in a couple of weeks. Are you going? > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herb > Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 12:47 PM > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kolb-List: elevator cables > > > > been a while since I built my first Firefly...could call Bryan...but since Travis left...know he is very busy... > > got all my "left behind Parts" from California today...after more than a month of promises...Even the engine mounts! :-) 10 gal tank and fuel gauge sender... this firefly was going to be heavy!!! > > Question...It appears that the book and plans manual do not show the two sets of Pulleys coming directly from the rudder pedals and control stick(under the seat, two to each side of the aileron torque tube, ... > so...Which side,,,standing behind the cockpit and looking down, does the > top Elevator cable thread through? I know they occupy the inner two > pulleys...and likely it does not matter..It probably matters that pushing the stick forward moves the elevator down...:-) .Herb > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:54:40 PM PST US From: Dee LeBlanc Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Jabiru Engine Performance and Cooling What type of prop is best for the 2200 engine? I've heard several who like or have a wooden prop. I wonder what would be the best composite prop for a jabiru 2200? Does this engine require a certain prop mass (weight) in order to operate smoothly with this engine? Dee LeBlanc leblancds@cox.net cell 225-802-1038 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Past is History The Future is a Mystery Today is a Gift That=99s Why They Call it the Present > On Jul 1, 2015, at 8:22 PM, Colin Hudson wrote: > > > Dee, I own a M3X with. Kolb 2200 engine. It cool with no problems at all. I've read a lot about the cooling problems with that engine but it's always been sensitive to the engine cowls around it. As an exposed pusher it cools fine. The only problem I ever had was when I installed a BRS (ballistic parachute). I installed the VLS and it disrupted the flow of air to the Cylinder Heads. I removed it and installed the canister BRS and the problem was solved. The folks at BRS were great to work with on that project. I prefer the Kolb over the 912 because it's direct drive off the crank just like a Cessna. I like looking at my TAC and seeing 2600 RPM. > > Scott Huddon > N424AL > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 1, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Dee One wrote: >> >> >> I am considering purchasing a Mark 3 Xtra with a Jabiru 2200 engine. I am concerned about cooling that engine as a pusher. Please let me know if you have any experience, positive or negative, regarding a Jabiru engine, especially regarding any cooling issues. >> >> Thanks, >> Dee >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=444274#444274 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.