---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 07/10/15: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:49 AM - Re: Jabiru Engine Performance and Cooling (Gary Aman) 2. 09:04 AM - Jabiru Prop Choices (Dee LeBlanc) 3. 11:04 AM - New Engine Mounts available for Sale (Carolina Flyer) 4. 11:06 AM - Re: New Engine Mounts available for Sale (Carolina Flyer) 5. 11:11 AM - Re: New Engine Mounts available for Sale (Carolina Flyer) 6. 11:43 AM - Re: Re: New Engine Mounts available for Sale (Herb) 7. 02:55 PM - Re: Re: New Engine Mounts available for Sale (John Hauck) 8. 03:19 PM - Re: New Engine Mounts available for Sale (Carolina Flyer) 9. 03:30 PM - Re: New Engine Mounts available for Sale (Carolina Flyer) 10. 04:21 PM - Re: Re: New Engine Mounts available for Sale (Herb) 11. 04:59 PM - Re: Re: New Engine Mounts available for Sale (John Hauck) 12. 05:16 PM - Re: Re: New Engine Mounts available for Sale (Herb) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:49:08 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Jabiru Engine Performance and Cooling From: Gary Aman Dee,early on the Jabiru had some harmonic issues that caused flywheel s to l oosen. They increased from 1/4 bolts to 5/16 and also added dowel pins at th e flywheel attach point. They determined using a wood or wood core prop solv ed the problem. Prince makes a wood core carbon fiber prop for the Jabiru 22 00. I have a Sensenich wood on mine and a Pronce for a spare. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 9, 2015, at 11:54 PM, Dee LeBlanc wrote: > > What type of prop is best for the 2200 engine? I've heard several who like or have a wooden prop. I wonder what would be the best composite prop for a jabiru 2200? Does this engine require a certain prop mass (weight) in order to operate smoothly with this engine? > > Dee LeBlanc > leblancds@cox.net > cell 225-802-1038 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Past is History > The Future is a Mystery > Today is a Gift > That=99s Why They Call it the Present > > > > > > > >> On Jul 1, 2015, at 8:22 PM, Colin Hudson w rote: >> om> >> >> Dee, I own a M3X with. Kolb 2200 engine. It cool with no problems at all . I've read a lot about the cooling problems with that engine but it's alwa ys been sensitive to the engine cowls around it. As an exposed pusher it co ols fine. The only problem I ever had was when I installed a BRS (ballistic parachute). I installed the VLS and it disrupted the flow of air to the Cy linder Heads. I removed it and installed the canister BRS and the problem was solved. The folks at BRS were great to work with on that project. I p refer the Kolb over the 912 because it's direct drive off the crank just lik e a Cessna. I like looking at my TAC and seeing 2600 RPM. >> >> Scott Huddon >> N424AL >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jul 1, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Dee One wrote: >>> >>> >>> I am considering purchasing a Mark 3 Xtra with a Jabiru 2200 engine. I a m concerned about cooling that engine as a pusher. Please let me know if you have any experience, positive or negative, regarding a Jabiru engine, espec ially regarding any cooling issues. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Dee >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=444274#444274 >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >> http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:04:59 AM PST US From: Dee LeBlanc Subject: Kolb-List: Jabiru Prop Choices Good information and valuable to me Gary. I thought there may be a reasons since I saw so many wooden props on Jabiru=99s. I found the website and it seems you have your choice of carbon fiber or wood. Apparently Prince picks the pitch for you and the diameter. Thanks, Dee LeBlanc leblancds@cox.net cell 225-802-1038 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Past is History The Future is a Mystery Today is a Gift That=99s Why They Call it the Present > On Jul 10, 2015, at 9:48 AM, Gary Aman wrote: > > Dee,early on the Jabiru had some harmonic issues that caused flywheel s to loosen. They increased from 1/4 bolts to 5/16 and also added dowel pins at the flywheel attach point. They determined using a wood or wood core prop solved the problem. Prince makes a wood core carbon fiber prop for the Jabiru 2200. I have a Sensenich wood on mine and a Pronce for a spare. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 9, 2015, at 11:54 PM, Dee LeBlanc > wrote: > >> What type of prop is best for the 2200 engine? I've heard several who like or have a wooden prop. I wonder what would be the best composite prop for a jabiru 2200? Does this engine require a certain prop mass (weight) in order to operate smoothly with this engine? >> >> Dee LeBlanc >> leblancds@cox.net >> cell 225-802-1038 >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> The Past is History >> The Future is a Mystery >> Today is a Gift >> That=99s Why They Call it the Present >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Jul 1, 2015, at 8:22 PM, Colin Hudson > wrote: >>> > >>> >>> Dee, I own a M3X with. Kolb 2200 engine. It cool with no problems at all. I've read a lot about the cooling problems with that engine but it's always been sensitive to the engine cowls around it. As an exposed pusher it cools fine. The only problem I ever had was when I installed a BRS (ballistic parachute). I installed the VLS and it disrupted the flow of air to the Cylinder Heads. I removed it and installed the canister BRS and the problem was solved. The folks at BRS were great to work with on that project. I prefer the Kolb over the 912 because it's direct drive off the crank just like a Cessna. I like looking at my TAC and seeing 2600 RPM. >>> >>> Scott Huddon >>> N424AL >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Jul 1, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Dee One > wrote: >>>> > >>>> >>>> I am considering purchasing a Mark 3 Xtra with a Jabiru 2200 engine. I am concerned about cooling that engine as a pusher. Please let me know if you have any experience, positive or negative, regarding a Jabiru engine, especially regarding any cooling issues. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Dee >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Read this topic online here: >>>> >>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=444274#444274 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >>> http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D >> List"">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >> D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D >> //forums.matronics.com >> D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D >> ot;">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D >> > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:04:26 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: New Engine Mounts available for Sale From: "Carolina Flyer" I saw the other post and some people were talking about using a different type mount but I found a source for the exact Lord Mounts it's used on also I believe the Challengers use the same Lord mount and I have them available for $22.00 Each -------- Kolb Firestar II 503 C-Box / RK400 Soon to have a Rotax 670 DCDI with a C-Box and RK 400 Clutch Challenger II 503 Tall Drive Location : Buffalo South Carolina Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=444639#444639 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_608.jpg ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:06:21 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: New Engine Mounts available for Sale From: "Carolina Flyer" In the picture the Lord Mount that is on the left in the yellow Kolb frame part is from Kolb the others are ones I just received today -------- Kolb Firestar II 503 C-Box / RK400 Soon to have a Rotax 670 DCDI with a C-Box and RK 400 Clutch Challenger II 503 Tall Drive Location : Buffalo South Carolina Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=444640#444640 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:11:37 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: New Engine Mounts available for Sale From: "Carolina Flyer" I believe the White that's on the Mounts is a release agent that's used in the process of making them but it wipes right off very easily -------- Kolb Firestar II 503 C-Box / RK400 Soon to have a Rotax 670 DCDI with a C-Box and RK 400 Clutch Challenger II 503 Tall Drive Location : Buffalo South Carolina Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=444641#444641 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_868.jpg ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:43:29 AM PST US From: Herb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: New Engine Mounts available for Sale That is them!! Travis said they needed 45 bucks each .. yours must be new old stock? Call Bryan, guessing you can sell them for less than they pay? My missing parts came in from California finally...after a month and a half worth of promises...! The 4 lord mounts were in the box.:-) This after I made my own!! :-) Installing control cables today... Wings remain to be sprayed with Poly spray and Insignia white...and some red trim... The engine is a 447 that was rebuilt by Danny Day...I will do the one hour run in again...and re torque the heads...paint and go fly....Herb Must be 100 degrees in my garage...!!! On 07/10/2015 01:11 PM, Carolina Flyer wrote: > > I believe the White that's on the Mounts is a release agent that's used in the process of making them but it wipes right off very easily > > -------- > Kolb Firestar II > 503 C-Box / RK400 > Soon to have a > Rotax 670 DCDI > with a C-Box and > RK 400 Clutch > > Challenger II > 503 Tall Drive > > Location : Buffalo South Carolina > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=444641#444641 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_868.jpg > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:55:34 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: New Engine Mounts available for Sale We experimented with several different engine mounts on my Firestar. Result was the Lord Mount was by far the best. john h Rock House, OR -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herb Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 12:43 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: New Engine Mounts available for Sale That is them!! Travis said they needed 45 bucks each .. yours must be new old stock? Call Bryan, guessing you can sell them for less than they pay? My missing parts came in from California finally...after a month and a half worth of promises...! The 4 lord mounts were in the box.:-) This after I made my own!! :-) Installing control cables today... Wings remain to be sprayed with Poly spray and Insignia white...and some red trim... The engine is a 447 that was rebuilt by Danny Day...I will do the one hour run in again...and re torque the heads...paint and go fly....Herb Must be 100 degrees in my garage...!!! On 07/10/2015 01:11 PM, Carolina Flyer wrote: > --> > > I believe the White that's on the Mounts is a release agent that's > used in the process of making them but it wipes right off very easily > > -------- > Kolb Firestar II > 503 C-Box / RK400 > Soon to have a > Rotax 670 DCDI > with a C-Box and > RK 400 Clutch > > Challenger II > 503 Tall Drive > > Location : Buffalo South Carolina > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=444641#444641 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_868.jpg > > = Photoshare, and much much more: = = = ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:19:28 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: New Engine Mounts available for Sale From: "Carolina Flyer" These are not new old stock, how many do you need 100 if so I can get them. These are also used on challengers Light-sport aircraft -------- Kolb Firestar II 503 C-Box / RK400 Soon to have a Rotax 670 DCDI with a C-Box and RK 400 Clutch Challenger II 503 Tall Drive Location : Buffalo South Carolina Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=444649#444649 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_852.jpg ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:30:19 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: New Engine Mounts available for Sale From: "Carolina Flyer" I try to sell things to customers of mine at a fair price and I do this because I try to make aviation a hobby that the average Joe could enjoy and participate in. I try to sell things to customers of mine at a fair price and I do this because I try to make aviation a hobby that the average Joe could enjoy and participate in. I sell my tires wheels and brakes system for $779 and some people pay more than that for just one tire that is no better. I sell my tires wheels and brakes system for $779 and some people pay more than that for just one tire that is no better. When I make a sale it makes me feel good to know that I help someone with their dreams of flying I get more out of that than the money you know like they say the love of money is the root of all evil, and not the money it's self -------- Kolb Firestar II 503 C-Box / RK400 Soon to have a Rotax 670 DCDI with a C-Box and RK 400 Clutch Challenger II 503 Tall Drive Location : Buffalo South Carolina Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=444650#444650 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_801.jpg ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:21:23 PM PST US From: Herb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: New Engine Mounts available for Sale Surely have a real deal on the Lord Mounts... Until mine arrived, was looking to pay 45 bucks each for them... My understanding was that Lord would not make them unless one ordered 1000 pieces..?? That is why I said new/old stock.... Herb On 07/10/2015 05:29 PM, Carolina Flyer wrote: > > I try to sell things to customers of mine at a fair price and I do this because I try to make aviation a hobby that the average Joe could enjoy and participate in. I try to sell things to customers of mine at a fair price and I do this because I try to make aviation a hobby that the average Joe could enjoy and participate in. I sell my tires wheels and brakes system for $779 and some people pay more than that for just one tire that is no better. I sell my tires wheels and brakes system for $779 and some people pay more than that for just one tire that is no better. When I make a sale it makes me feel good to know that I help someone with their dreams of flying I get more out of that than the money you know like they say the love of money is the root of all evil, and not the money it's self > > -------- > Kolb Firestar II > 503 C-Box / RK400 > Soon to have a > Rotax 670 DCDI > with a C-Box and > RK 400 Clutch > > Challenger II > 503 Tall Drive > > Location : Buffalo South Carolina > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=444650#444650 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_801.jpg > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:59:44 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: New Engine Mounts available for Sale Lord Mounts come in different densities. The hardest I find best because it reduces changes in thrust line when power is applied. Each Lord Mount has a stock number on it. You can check density with these numbers. john h Rock House, OR -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carolina Flyer Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 4:19 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: New Engine Mounts available for Sale --> These are not new old stock, how many do you need 100 if so I can get them. These are also used on challengers Light-sport aircraft -------- Kolb Firestar II 503 C-Box / RK400 Soon to have a Rotax 670 DCDI with a C-Box and RK 400 Clutch Challenger II 503 Tall Drive Location : Buffalo South Carolina Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=444649#444649 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_852.jpg = Photoshare, and much much more: = = = ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:16:28 PM PST US From: Herb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: New Engine Mounts available for Sale think it is called Druometer...and the density is called Shore 00A to 100A something like that...Herb On 07/10/2015 06:59 PM, John Hauck wrote: > > Lord Mounts come in different densities. The hardest I find > best because it reduces changes in thrust line when power is > applied. > > Each Lord Mount has a stock number on it. You can check > density with these numbers. > > john h > Rock House, OR > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > Carolina Flyer > Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 4:19 PM > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: New Engine Mounts available for Sale > > --> > > These are not new old stock, how many do you need 100 if so > I can get them. These are also used on challengers > Light-sport aircraft > > -------- > Kolb Firestar II > 503 C-Box / RK400 > Soon to have a > Rotax 670 DCDI > with a C-Box and > RK 400 Clutch > > Challenger II > 503 Tall Drive > > Location : Buffalo South Carolina > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=444649#444649 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_852.jpg > > > = > Photoshare, and much much more: > = > = > = > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.