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1. 12:40 AM - Flaparons vs flaps & ailerons (Dee LeBlanc)
2. 04:34 AM - Re: Flaparons vs flaps & ailerons (Patrick Ladd)
3. 05:48 AM - Re: Flaparons vs flaps & ailerons (Colin Hudson)
4. 07:11 AM - Re: Flaparons vs flaps & ailerons (kinne russ)
5. 07:32 AM - Re: Flaparons vs flaps & ailerons (Richard Girard)
6. 08:15 AM - Fuel Gauge...and sender...new (Herb)
7. 08:44 AM - Re: Fuel Gauge...and sender...new (Larry Cottrell)
8. 09:10 AM - Re: Fuel Gauge...and sender...new (Herb)
9. 09:31 AM - gauges and things (Herb)
10. 12:08 PM - Re: Just bought a Firefly (Keith84)
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| Subject: | Flaparons vs flaps & ailerons |
I have only experience with flaps. What are the pros and cons of flaparons vs flaps
and ailerons? Thanks for your experience, Dee
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| Subject: | Re: Flaparons vs flaps & ailerons |
Hi,
I only have experience in my old Challenger. Changing the angle of the
flaperon altered the trim considerably. Lowering the flaps for landing made
the plane nose heavy. Not uncontrollably so, just heavy on the stick. I
considered this a plus as if my attention wandered on the approach the plane
tended to go faster instead of slowing up and stalling.
I compromised on take off by only applying a little flap.. Not really
convinced it made much difference.
When building the Challenger we contrived a Bowden cable control for the
flaps with a small winding handle which enable the application of tiny
increments and an angle indicator in the cockpit.
For what iys worth.
Pat
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From: Dee LeBlanc
Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2015 8:39 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Flaparons vs flaps & ailerons
I have only experience with flaps. What are the pros and cons of flaparons
vs flaps and ailerons? Thanks for your experience, Dee
Sent from my iPhone
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| Subject: | Re: Flaparons vs flaps & ailerons |
In my case they are all con and no pro. I've got flaparons on my M3X. First off
you loose a lot of square footage on your wing as the flaps are missing and
the ailerons don't extend all the way across the aft portion of the wing. Major
problem I have is the flaparons are much longer than the standard ailerons.
In flight it takes excessive force to move them, to the point that I had to
remove my dual controls as singles stick control gives more leverage. I never
use my flaparons as I've noticed only a 2 knt improvement on stall speed and
as hard as it is to get to the handle, it's not worth it. Kolb makes a larger
15 gal fuel tank for the M3X but I couldn't use it as the flaparons control
tubes are in the way. I've actually talked with Kolb about coming to the factory
and having my aircraft converted to normal flaps.
Scott Hudson
A/P ATP
N424AL
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> On Jul 18, 2015, at 2:39 AM, Dee LeBlanc <leblancds@cox.net> wrote:
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> I have only experience with flaps. What are the pros and cons of flaparons vs
flaps and ailerons? Thanks for your experience, Dee
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> Sent from my iPhone
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| Subject: | Re: Flaparons vs flaps & ailerons |
Dee
FWIW Ive had no problems with flaperons on my Mk3Xtra. But Ive never flown with
separate flaps either
Russ K
> On Jul 18, 2015, at 8:48 AM, Colin Hudson <colin.scott.hudson@gmail.com> wrote:
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> In my case they are all con and no pro. I've got flaparons on my M3X. First
off you loose a lot of square footage on your wing as the flaps are missing and
the ailerons don't extend all the way across the aft portion of the wing.
Major problem I have is the flaparons are much longer than the standard ailerons.
In flight it takes excessive force to move them, to the point that I had
to remove my dual controls as singles stick control gives more leverage. I never
use my flaparons as I've noticed only a 2 knt improvement on stall speed and
as hard as it is to get to the handle, it's not worth it. Kolb makes a larger
15 gal fuel tank for the M3X but I couldn't use it as the flaparons control
tubes are in the way. I've actually talked with Kolb about coming to the factory
and having my aircraft converted to normal flaps.
>
> Scott Hudson
> A/P ATP
> N424AL
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jul 18, 2015, at 2:39 AM, Dee LeBlanc <leblancds@cox.net> wrote:
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>> I have only experience with flaps. What are the pros and cons of flaparons vs
flaps and ailerons? Thanks for your experience, Dee
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>> Sent from my iPhone
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| Subject: | Re: Flaparons vs flaps & ailerons |
I've only flown the 3C and 3X with flaps. With one notch of flaps both
aircraft would take off without moving the stick in 200 to 250 feet even in
no wind.
I flew the Challenger 2 for a couple of hours when I had one in the shop.
Big trim changes as Pat Ladd said.
Good luck,
Rick Girard
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On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 9:10 AM, kinne russ <russk50@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Dee
> FWIW I=99ve had no problems with flaperons on my Mk3Xtra. But I
=99ve never
> flown with separate flaps either
> Russ K
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> > On Jul 18, 2015, at 8:48 AM, Colin Hudson <colin.scott.hudson@gmail.com
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> wrote:
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> colin.scott.hudson@gmail.com>
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> > In my case they are all con and no pro. I've got flaparons on my M3X.
> First off you loose a lot of square footage on your wing as the flaps are
> missing and the ailerons don't extend all the way across the aft portion
of
> the wing. Major problem I have is the flaparons are much longer than the
> standard ailerons. In flight it takes excessive force to move them, to t
he
> point that I had to remove my dual controls as singles stick control give
s
> more leverage. I never use my flaparons as I've noticed only a 2 knt
> improvement on stall speed and as hard as it is to get to the handle, it'
s
> not worth it. Kolb makes a larger 15 gal fuel tank for the M3X but I
> couldn't use it as the flaparons control tubes are in the way. I've
> actually talked with Kolb about coming to the factory and having my
> aircraft converted to normal flaps.
> >
> > Scott Hudson
> > A/P ATP
> > N424AL
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jul 18, 2015, at 2:39 AM, Dee LeBlanc <leblancds@cox.net> wrote:
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> >> I have only experience with flaps. What are the pros and cons of
> flaparons vs flaps and ailerons? Thanks for your experience, Dee
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
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| Subject: | Fuel Gauge...and sender...new |
Fellow Kolbers...
I have a new Falcon 2.25 fuel gauge, and new 24 inch sender....
Sender is bendable(whatever that means?) ...both cost $129.50 and
shipping at ACF... Gauge is model F2-001-5 and sender is
FP-024-5.... sender puts out 5 volts...thus the -5.
Not up to a large discount ...but 100 bucks and shipping with get
both pieces...
Also have a Falcon ALT201NF-3N altimeter...brand new...20,000
feet.... 3 and1/8th dia.... Sensitive .... ACF price....$395.00 and
shipping.... Special price...today only....!! For "sensitive" Kolbers
and Kolbettes.... $300 and shipping...
Herb
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Gauge...and sender...new |
Given your past history and tendencies, one would have thought that you
would have donated them to a needy and deserving super saver. :-)
Larry
On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 9:15 AM, Herb <Herbgh@nctc.com> wrote:
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> Fellow Kolbers...
>
> I have a new Falcon 2.25 fuel gauge, and new 24 inch sender.... Sender
> is bendable(whatever that means?) ...both cost $129.50 and shipping at
> ACF... Gauge is model F2-001-5 and sender is FP-024-5.... sender puts
> out 5 volts...thus the -5.
>
> Not up to a large discount ...but 100 bucks and shipping with get both
> pieces...
>
> Also have a Falcon ALT201NF-3N altimeter...brand new...20,000 feet.... 3
> and1/8th dia.... Sensitive .... ACF price....$395.00 and shipping....
> Special price...today only....!! For "sensitive" Kolbers and
> Kolbettes.... $300 and shipping...
>
>
> Herb
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Gauge...and sender...new |
That is my natural tendency...but ....I am saving to buy and install
one of those "fancy" Japanese, 4 stroke , 2 cylinder engines... :-) On
my future Firestar that is... Hmmmm? Maybe I had better keep the
altimeter?
I hear that the folks in Japan make fine pieces of machinery!!
A bud of mine bought one of the early HKS engines and there were some
problems....The company sent him a new ,improved version and never asked
for the old one ....!! Something they must have learned from Rotax? Herb
On 07/18/2015 10:44 AM, Larry Cottrell wrote:
> Given your past history and tendencies, one would have thought that
> you would have donated them to a needy and deserving super saver. :-)
> Larry
>
> On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 9:15 AM, Herb <Herbgh@nctc.com
> <mailto:Herbgh@nctc.com>> wrote:
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> <mailto:Herbgh@nctc.com>>
>
>
> Fellow Kolbers...
>
> I have a new Falcon 2.25 fuel gauge, and new 24 inch sender....
> Sender is bendable(whatever that means?) ...both cost $129.50 and
> shipping at ACF... Gauge is model F2-001-5 and sender is
> FP-024-5.... sender puts out 5 volts...thus the -5.
>
> Not up to a large discount ...but 100 bucks and shipping with
> get both pieces...
>
> Also have a Falcon ALT201NF-3N altimeter...brand new...20,000
> feet.... 3 and1/8th dia.... Sensitive .... ACF price....$395.00
> and shipping.... Special price...today only....!! For
> "sensitive" Kolbers and Kolbettes.... $300 and shipping...
>
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> Herb
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| Subject: | gauges and things |
Larry
A very good reminder....for us all... We do not own anything...we
are just care takers for our time on this earth..Herb
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| Subject: | Re: Just bought a Firefly |
I do have a gap seal that is not pictured. My plane does not have a rudder trim
tab. It didnt come with a manual or full set of planes either. A trim tab sure
woud be nice! I still havent taken it up yet, tonight i am going to check the
camber and try to give it a go. I will probably skip all the high speed taxi's
and and attempt a simple 3 point landing :?
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98' Kolb FireFly
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