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1. 08:29 AM - Re: Primer Bulb (henry.voris)
2. 09:08 AM - Re: Re: Primer Bulb (Herb)
3. 11:46 AM - Re: Primer Bulb (henry.voris)
4. 01:04 PM - Re: Re: Primer Bulb (Herb)
5. 01:13 PM - Re: Re: Primer Bulb (Dee LeBlanc)
6. 01:45 PM - Re: Re: Primer Bulb (Larry Cottrell)
7. 02:25 PM - Re: Re: Primer Bulb (Herb)
8. 02:28 PM - Re: Re: Primer Bulb (Herb)
9. 02:37 PM - Re: Primer Bulb (Richard Girard)
10. 02:45 PM - Re: Primer Bulb (Herb)
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I agree with Larry 100%... Every squeeze ball I have had has caused me nothing
but trouble. I don't have a battery in my FireFly... I installed a tire valve
on the top of my fuel tank. To get fuel up to the floats I put a piece of tape
over the breather vent in the filler cap and use a bicycle pump to pressurize
the tank... For me, simple works best.
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Why not use the squeeze bulb to pressurize the tank? That is what I
did...Herb
On 08/15/2015 10:28 AM, henry.voris wrote:
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> I agree with Larry 100%... Every squeeze ball I have had has caused me nothing
but trouble. I don't have a battery in my FireFly... I installed a tire valve
on the top of my fuel tank. To get fuel up to the floats I put a piece of tape
over the breather vent in the filler cap and use a bicycle pump to pressurize
the tank... For me, simple works best.
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Herb, you're light years ahead of me pal... I have no idea how to rig a squeeze
bulb to pressurize the fuel tank...
The reason I don't use a squeeze bulb to lift the fuel from the tank up to the
floats is I've had them fail on me, twice.
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Just hook the output side of the bulb to the tank via a piece of hose
and a threaded nipple attached to the tank cap... make sure that you
can cover the vent hole with your finger... and just squeeze...8 or 10
squeezes and the tank is pressurized and forces the fuel to the carb...
Beats the bypassing of the bulb...
On my first Firefly, I used a squeeze bulb from an Merkur Scorpio. It
was used to pump the adjustment for the lumbar support in the seat
back..... Looked just like the one from the manual blood pressure gauge..
You can make a nipple by cutting the threads from bolt....one with
long threads...just drill a hole through it... install the outside nut
so that you have 1/2 inch of threads on the outside..with the nut
on...grind the threads away so that the hose will fit well....then drill
the cap...attach the inside nut...maybe a washer to seal....and you are
home free...
Herb
On 08/15/2015 01:46 PM, henry.voris wrote:
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> Herb, you're light years ahead of me pal... I have no idea how to rig a squeeze
bulb to pressurize the fuel tank...
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> The reason I don't use a squeeze bulb to lift the fuel from the tank up to the
floats is I've had them fail on me, twice.
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> Aloha,
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So if I have an electric pump (Facet) on one of my two fuel lines to the
carbs and flip the switch, should I need any other means to prime the
carbs?
Dee LeBlanc
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> On Aug 15, 2015, at 3:04 PM, Herb <Herbgh@nctc.com> wrote:
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> Just hook the output side of the bulb to the tank via a piece of hose
and a threaded nipple attached to the tank cap... make sure that you
can cover the vent hole with your finger... and just squeeze...8 or 10
squeezes and the tank is pressurized and forces the fuel to the carb...
Beats the bypassing of the bulb...
>
> On my first Firefly, I used a squeeze bulb from an Merkur Scorpio. It
was used to pump the adjustment for the lumbar support in the seat
back..... Looked just like the one from the manual blood pressure
gauge..
>
> You can make a nipple by cutting the threads from bolt....one with
long threads...just drill a hole through it... install the outside nut
so that you have 1/2 inch of threads on the outside..with the nut
on...grind the threads away so that the hose will fit well....then drill
the cap...attach the inside nut...maybe a washer to seal....and you are
home free...
>
> Herb
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> On 08/15/2015 01:46 PM, henry.voris wrote:
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>> Herb, you're light years ahead of me pal... I have no idea how to rig
a squeeze bulb to pressurize the fuel tank...
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>> The reason I don't use a squeeze bulb to lift the fuel from the tank
up to the floats is I've had them fail on me, twice.
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>> Aloha,
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On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Dee LeBlanc <leblancds@cox.net> wrote:
> So if I have an electric pump (Facet) on one of my two fuel lines to the
> carbs and flip the switch, should I need any other means to prime the carbs?
>
> Dee LeBlanc
> leblancds@cox.net
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> Just hook the output side of the bulb to the tank via a piece of hose and
> a threaded nipple attached to the tank cap... make sure that you can cover
> the vent hole with your finger... and just squeeze...8 or 10 squeezes and
> the tank is pressurized and forces the fuel to the carb... Beats the
> bypassing of the bulb...
>
> You guy's are confusing me. :-) I am a bit unsure why Herb would want to
pressurize his tank when most of us put vent lines in them so they will
draw? The only requirement should be to get gasoline to the engine in a
positive manner. This of course would be accomplished by the facet fuel
pump with or without a squeeze bulb or a pressurized tank. Not having a
vent in the tank would sooner or later result in a collapsed tank.
As to Dee's question- with two lines coming from the tank, the facet would
get fuel to the engine as long as there was a check valve in the other
line. If not then the fuel would take the least resistance and flow back
into the tank. I personally do not run two lines. When the facet has pumped
fuel into the carbs, you can hear the facet change sound, and its time to
either pull the rope or hit the starter. ( Of course this means that you
will have acquired the correct facet pressure pump. 3-5 lbs.)
Larry
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I have a vent....I mention that it is necessary to put your finger over
the vent when pressurizing the tank to force the gas to the carb...Very
simple...and the bulb has no in air failure mode...Herb
all my Kolbs,,,Ultra star, three Fireflys, one MkIII, Slingshot...all
had tank vents...hope everyone has a vent...:-)
On 08/15/2015 03:44 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote:
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> On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Dee LeBlanc <leblancds@cox.net
> <mailto:leblancds@cox.net>> wrote:
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> So if I have an electric pump (Facet) on one of my two fuel lines
> to the carbs and flip the switch, should I need any other means to
> prime the carbs?
>
> Dee LeBlanc
> leblancds@cox.net <mailto:leblancds@cox.net>
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>> <mailto:Herbgh@nctc.com>>
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>> Just hook the output side of the bulb to the tank via a piece of
>> hose and a threaded nipple attached to the tank cap... make sure
>> that you can cover the vent hole with your finger... and just
>> squeeze...8 or 10 squeezes and the tank is pressurized and
>> forces the fuel to the carb... Beats the bypassing of the bulb...
>>
> You guy's are confusing me. :-) I am a bit unsure why Herb would want
> to pressurize his tank when most of us put vent lines in them so they
> will draw? The only requirement should be to get gasoline to the
> engine in a positive manner. This of course would be accomplished by
> the facet fuel pump with or without a squeeze bulb or a pressurized
> tank. Not having a vent in the tank would sooner or later result in a
> collapsed tank.
>
> As to Dee's question- with two lines coming from the tank, the facet
> would get fuel to the engine as long as there was a check valve in the
> other line. If not then the fuel would take the least resistance and
> flow back into the tank. I personally do not run two lines. When the
> facet has pumped fuel into the carbs, you can hear the facet change
> sound, and its time to either pull the rope or hit the starter. ( Of
> course this means that you will have acquired the correct facet
> pressure pump. 3-5 lbs.)
> Larry
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got me thinking....one failure mode that will be perplexing for a
while...is the plugged carb float bowl vent. Herb
On 08/15/2015 03:44 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote:
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> On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Dee LeBlanc <leblancds@cox.net
> <mailto:leblancds@cox.net>> wrote:
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> So if I have an electric pump (Facet) on one of my two fuel lines
> to the carbs and flip the switch, should I need any other means to
> prime the carbs?
>
> Dee LeBlanc
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>> Just hook the output side of the bulb to the tank via a piece of
>> hose and a threaded nipple attached to the tank cap... make sure
>> that you can cover the vent hole with your finger... and just
>> squeeze...8 or 10 squeezes and the tank is pressurized and
>> forces the fuel to the carb... Beats the bypassing of the bulb...
>>
> You guy's are confusing me. :-) I am a bit unsure why Herb would want
> to pressurize his tank when most of us put vent lines in them so they
> will draw? The only requirement should be to get gasoline to the
> engine in a positive manner. This of course would be accomplished by
> the facet fuel pump with or without a squeeze bulb or a pressurized
> tank. Not having a vent in the tank would sooner or later result in a
> collapsed tank.
>
> As to Dee's question- with two lines coming from the tank, the facet
> would get fuel to the engine as long as there was a check valve in the
> other line. If not then the fuel would take the least resistance and
> flow back into the tank. I personally do not run two lines. When the
> facet has pumped fuel into the carbs, you can hear the facet change
> sound, and its time to either pull the rope or hit the starter. ( Of
> course this means that you will have acquired the correct facet
> pressure pump. 3-5 lbs.)
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Ditto on Larry's response. Do not put one of those POS primer bulbs in your
fuel system. Completely useless and unnecessary.
Rick Girard
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On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 10:04 PM, Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020@gmail.com>
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> On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 8:29 PM, Dee One <leblancds@cox.net> wrote:
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>> My question is : since the electric pump can delivery pressure to the
>> carbs on startup, is a fuel primer bulb really needed on the pulse pump
>> line?
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>> Thanks for your advice,
>> Dee
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> I have never used a primer bulb on any of the engines that I have used a
> facet on and had a problem, but every squeeze bulb that I ever had caused
> me nothing but trouble.
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work pretty good on boats.!! :-) I would not use one in the main fuel
line...but, as I said; work well to pressurize the tank...Herb
On 08/15/2015 04:37 PM, Richard Girard wrote:
> Ditto on Larry's response. Do not put one of those POS primer bulbs in
> your fuel system. Completely useless and unnecessary.
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> On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 8:29 PM, Dee One <leblancds@cox.net
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> My question is : since the electric pump can delivery
> pressure to the carbs on startup, is a fuel primer bulb really
> needed on the pulse pump line?
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> Thanks for your advice,
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