---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 08/15/15: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:29 AM - Re: Primer Bulb (henry.voris) 2. 09:08 AM - Re: Re: Primer Bulb (Herb) 3. 11:46 AM - Re: Primer Bulb (henry.voris) 4. 01:04 PM - Re: Re: Primer Bulb (Herb) 5. 01:13 PM - Re: Re: Primer Bulb (Dee LeBlanc) 6. 01:45 PM - Re: Re: Primer Bulb (Larry Cottrell) 7. 02:25 PM - Re: Re: Primer Bulb (Herb) 8. 02:28 PM - Re: Re: Primer Bulb (Herb) 9. 02:37 PM - Re: Primer Bulb (Richard Girard) 10. 02:45 PM - Re: Primer Bulb (Herb) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:29:01 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Primer Bulb From: "henry.voris" I agree with Larry 100%... Every squeeze ball I have had has caused me nothing but trouble. I don't have a battery in my FireFly... I installed a tire valve on the top of my fuel tank. To get fuel up to the floats I put a piece of tape over the breather vent in the filler cap and use a bicycle pump to pressurize the tank... For me, simple works best. Aloha, -------- Henry Firefly Five-Charlie-Bravo Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=445983#445983 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:08:12 AM PST US From: Herb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Primer Bulb Why not use the squeeze bulb to pressurize the tank? That is what I did...Herb On 08/15/2015 10:28 AM, henry.voris wrote: > > I agree with Larry 100%... Every squeeze ball I have had has caused me nothing but trouble. I don't have a battery in my FireFly... I installed a tire valve on the top of my fuel tank. To get fuel up to the floats I put a piece of tape over the breather vent in the filler cap and use a bicycle pump to pressurize the tank... For me, simple works best. > Aloha, > > -------- > Henry > Firefly Five-Charlie-Bravo > > Do Not Archive > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=445983#445983 > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:46:25 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Primer Bulb From: "henry.voris" Herb, you're light years ahead of me pal... I have no idea how to rig a squeeze bulb to pressurize the fuel tank... The reason I don't use a squeeze bulb to lift the fuel from the tank up to the floats is I've had them fail on me, twice. Aloha, -------- Henry Firefly Five-Charlie-Bravo Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=445993#445993 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:04:48 PM PST US From: Herb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Primer Bulb Just hook the output side of the bulb to the tank via a piece of hose and a threaded nipple attached to the tank cap... make sure that you can cover the vent hole with your finger... and just squeeze...8 or 10 squeezes and the tank is pressurized and forces the fuel to the carb... Beats the bypassing of the bulb... On my first Firefly, I used a squeeze bulb from an Merkur Scorpio. It was used to pump the adjustment for the lumbar support in the seat back..... Looked just like the one from the manual blood pressure gauge.. You can make a nipple by cutting the threads from bolt....one with long threads...just drill a hole through it... install the outside nut so that you have 1/2 inch of threads on the outside..with the nut on...grind the threads away so that the hose will fit well....then drill the cap...attach the inside nut...maybe a washer to seal....and you are home free... Herb On 08/15/2015 01:46 PM, henry.voris wrote: > > Herb, you're light years ahead of me pal... I have no idea how to rig a squeeze bulb to pressurize the fuel tank... > > The reason I don't use a squeeze bulb to lift the fuel from the tank up to the floats is I've had them fail on me, twice. > > Aloha, > > -------- > Henry > Firefly Five-Charlie-Bravo > > Do Not Archive > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=445993#445993 > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:13:00 PM PST US From: Dee LeBlanc Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Primer Bulb So if I have an electric pump (Facet) on one of my two fuel lines to the carbs and flip the switch, should I need any other means to prime the carbs? Dee LeBlanc leblancds@cox.net cell 225-802-1038 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Past is History The Future is a Mystery Today is a Gift That=92s Why They Call it the Present > On Aug 15, 2015, at 3:04 PM, Herb wrote: > > > Just hook the output side of the bulb to the tank via a piece of hose and a threaded nipple attached to the tank cap... make sure that you can cover the vent hole with your finger... and just squeeze...8 or 10 squeezes and the tank is pressurized and forces the fuel to the carb... Beats the bypassing of the bulb... > > On my first Firefly, I used a squeeze bulb from an Merkur Scorpio. It was used to pump the adjustment for the lumbar support in the seat back..... Looked just like the one from the manual blood pressure gauge.. > > You can make a nipple by cutting the threads from bolt....one with long threads...just drill a hole through it... install the outside nut so that you have 1/2 inch of threads on the outside..with the nut on...grind the threads away so that the hose will fit well....then drill the cap...attach the inside nut...maybe a washer to seal....and you are home free... > > Herb > > On 08/15/2015 01:46 PM, henry.voris wrote: >> >> Herb, you're light years ahead of me pal... I have no idea how to rig a squeeze bulb to pressurize the fuel tank... >> >> The reason I don't use a squeeze bulb to lift the fuel from the tank up to the floats is I've had them fail on me, twice. >> >> Aloha, >> >> -------- >> Henry >> Firefly Five-Charlie-Bravo >> >> Do Not Archive >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=445993#445993 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:45:18 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Primer Bulb From: Larry Cottrell On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Dee LeBlanc wrote: > So if I have an electric pump (Facet) on one of my two fuel lines to the > carbs and flip the switch, should I need any other means to prime the carbs? > > Dee LeBlanc > leblancds@cox.net > > > Just hook the output side of the bulb to the tank via a piece of hose and > a threaded nipple attached to the tank cap... make sure that you can cover > the vent hole with your finger... and just squeeze...8 or 10 squeezes and > the tank is pressurized and forces the fuel to the carb... Beats the > bypassing of the bulb... > > You guy's are confusing me. :-) I am a bit unsure why Herb would want to pressurize his tank when most of us put vent lines in them so they will draw? The only requirement should be to get gasoline to the engine in a positive manner. This of course would be accomplished by the facet fuel pump with or without a squeeze bulb or a pressurized tank. Not having a vent in the tank would sooner or later result in a collapsed tank. As to Dee's question- with two lines coming from the tank, the facet would get fuel to the engine as long as there was a check valve in the other line. If not then the fuel would take the least resistance and flow back into the tank. I personally do not run two lines. When the facet has pumped fuel into the carbs, you can hear the facet change sound, and its time to either pull the rope or hit the starter. ( Of course this means that you will have acquired the correct facet pressure pump. 3-5 lbs.) Larry > > Do Not Archive > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > * > > > * > > -- *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.* ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:25:03 PM PST US From: Herb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Primer Bulb I have a vent....I mention that it is necessary to put your finger over the vent when pressurizing the tank to force the gas to the carb...Very simple...and the bulb has no in air failure mode...Herb all my Kolbs,,,Ultra star, three Fireflys, one MkIII, Slingshot...all had tank vents...hope everyone has a vent...:-) On 08/15/2015 03:44 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote: > > > On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Dee LeBlanc > wrote: > > So if I have an electric pump (Facet) on one of my two fuel lines > to the carbs and flip the switch, should I need any other means to > prime the carbs? > > Dee LeBlanc > leblancds@cox.net > >> > >> >> Just hook the output side of the bulb to the tank via a piece of >> hose and a threaded nipple attached to the tank cap... make sure >> that you can cover the vent hole with your finger... and just >> squeeze...8 or 10 squeezes and the tank is pressurized and >> forces the fuel to the carb... Beats the bypassing of the bulb... >> > You guy's are confusing me. :-) I am a bit unsure why Herb would want > to pressurize his tank when most of us put vent lines in them so they > will draw? The only requirement should be to get gasoline to the > engine in a positive manner. This of course would be accomplished by > the facet fuel pump with or without a squeeze bulb or a pressurized > tank. Not having a vent in the tank would sooner or later result in a > collapsed tank. > > As to Dee's question- with two lines coming from the tank, the facet > would get fuel to the engine as long as there was a check valve in the > other line. If not then the fuel would take the least resistance and > flow back into the tank. I personally do not run two lines. When the > facet has pumped fuel into the carbs, you can hear the facet change > sound, and its time to either pull the rope or hit the starter. ( Of > course this means that you will have acquired the correct facet > pressure pump. 3-5 lbs.) > Larry > >>> >>> Do Not Archive >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >> http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> >> > > * > > get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > * > > > -- > /If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email > address before sending./ > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:28:01 PM PST US From: Herb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Primer Bulb got me thinking....one failure mode that will be perplexing for a while...is the plugged carb float bowl vent. Herb On 08/15/2015 03:44 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote: > > > On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Dee LeBlanc > wrote: > > So if I have an electric pump (Facet) on one of my two fuel lines > to the carbs and flip the switch, should I need any other means to > prime the carbs? > > Dee LeBlanc > leblancds@cox.net > >> > >> >> Just hook the output side of the bulb to the tank via a piece of >> hose and a threaded nipple attached to the tank cap... make sure >> that you can cover the vent hole with your finger... and just >> squeeze...8 or 10 squeezes and the tank is pressurized and >> forces the fuel to the carb... Beats the bypassing of the bulb... >> > You guy's are confusing me. :-) I am a bit unsure why Herb would want > to pressurize his tank when most of us put vent lines in them so they > will draw? The only requirement should be to get gasoline to the > engine in a positive manner. This of course would be accomplished by > the facet fuel pump with or without a squeeze bulb or a pressurized > tank. Not having a vent in the tank would sooner or later result in a > collapsed tank. > > As to Dee's question- with two lines coming from the tank, the facet > would get fuel to the engine as long as there was a check valve in the > other line. If not then the fuel would take the least resistance and > flow back into the tank. I personally do not run two lines. When the > facet has pumped fuel into the carbs, you can hear the facet change > sound, and its time to either pull the rope or hit the starter. ( Of > course this means that you will have acquired the correct facet > pressure pump. 3-5 lbs.) > Larry > >>> >>> Do Not Archive >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >> http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> >> > > * > > get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > * > > > -- > /If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email > address before sending./ > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:37:48 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Primer Bulb From: Richard Girard Ditto on Larry's response. Do not put one of those POS primer bulbs in your fuel system. Completely useless and unnecessary. Rick Girard do not archive On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 10:04 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote: > > > On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 8:29 PM, Dee One wrote: > >> >> My question is : since the electric pump can delivery pressure to the >> carbs on startup, is a fuel primer bulb really needed on the pulse pump >> line? >> >> Thanks for your advice, >> Dee >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > > I have never used a primer bulb on any of the engines that I have used a > facet on and had a problem, but every squeeze bulb that I ever had caused > me nothing but trouble. > Larry > >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=445950#445950 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ========== >> -List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >> ========== >> FORUMS - >> eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> b Site - >> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ========== >> >> >> >> > > > -- > *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email > address before sending.* > > * > > > * > > -- Believe those who are seeking the truth, doubt those who find it. -Andre Gide ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:45:19 PM PST US From: Herb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Primer Bulb work pretty good on boats.!! :-) I would not use one in the main fuel line...but, as I said; work well to pressurize the tank...Herb On 08/15/2015 04:37 PM, Richard Girard wrote: > Ditto on Larry's response. Do not put one of those POS primer bulbs in > your fuel system. Completely useless and unnecessary. > > Rick Girard > do not archive > > On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 10:04 PM, Larry Cottrell > > wrote: > > > On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 8:29 PM, Dee One > wrote: > > > > > My question is : since the electric pump can delivery > pressure to the carbs on startup, is a fuel primer bulb really > needed on the pulse pump line? > > Thanks for your advice, > Dee > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > I have never used a primer bulb on any of the engines that I have > used a facet on and had a problem, but every squeeze bulb that I > ever had caused me nothing but trouble. > Larry > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=445950#445950 > > > ========== > -List" rel="noreferrer" > target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > ========== > FORUMS - > eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > b Site - > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > rel="noreferrer" > target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > -- > /If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my > email address before sending./ > > * > > get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > * > > > -- > > > Believe those who are seeking the truth, doubt those who find it. > -Andre Gide > > * > > > * ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.