---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 08/16/15: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:53 AM - Re: Primer Bulb (Dee One) 2. 08:45 AM - Re: Re: Primer Bulb (Larry Cottrell) 3. 09:15 AM - Re: Re: Primer Bulb (B Young) 4. 10:19 AM - Re: Re: Primer Bulb (Herb) 5. 10:40 AM - Re: Re: Primer Bulb (Gary Jindra) 6. 10:42 AM - Re: Re: Primer Bulb (Larry Cottrell) 7. 04:37 PM - Re: Re: Primer Bulb (Dee LeBlanc) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:53:00 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Primer Bulb From: "Dee One" Thanks Larry, your comments are consistent with my thinking. I will forgo the primer bulb and utilize the facet for priming and for duplicity. I do have the check valve manifold at the carbs. Also, the facet is in the 3 to 5 PSI range required for the Rotax 582. Keep those videos coming. Thanks, Dee -------- The Past is History The Future is a Mystery Today is a Gift Thats Why They Call it the Present Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446019#446019 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:45:32 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Primer Bulb From: Larry Cottrell Glad to be of assistance. Keep in mind that if you use two fuel lines the check valve is going to have to be in the other line, not where the two lines converge into one. Good luck Larry On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 7:52 AM, Dee One wrote: > > Thanks Larry, your comments are consistent with my thinking. I will forgo > the primer bulb and utilize the facet for priming and for duplicity. I do > have the check valve manifold at the carbs. Also, the facet is in the 3 t o > 5 PSI range required for the Rotax 582. Keep those videos coming. > > Thanks, > Dee > > -------- > The Past is History > The Future is a Mystery > Today is a Gift > That=99s Why They Call it the Present > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446019#446019 > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > -- *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.* ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:15:21 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Primer Bulb From: B Young Just a quick comment by way of a question... don't both the fct pump and the pulce pump have check valves built in? If so, isn't adding additional check valves just installing more failure points? if they don't have built in check valves then I suppose that they are necessary.... next,,, If there is a failure in one of the pumps,, Will it be necessary to shut that that line and pump off? I'm guessing that the answer to this question is dependent on the type of failure. Or am I just over thinking this? Boyd Young On Aug 16, 2015 9:48 AM, "Larry Cottrell" wrote: > Glad to be of assistance. Keep in mind that if you use two fuel lines the > check valve is going to have to be in the other line, not where the two > lines converge into one. > Good luck > Larry > > On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 7:52 AM, Dee One wrote: > >> >> Thanks Larry, your comments are consistent with my thinking. I will forg o >> the primer bulb and utilize the facet for priming and for duplicity. I d o >> have the check valve manifold at the carbs. Also, the facet is in the 3 to >> 5 PSI range required for the Rotax 582. Keep those videos coming. >> >> Thanks, >> Dee >> >> -------- >> The Past is History >> The Future is a Mystery >> Today is a Gift >> That=99s Why They Call it the Present >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446019#446019 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ========== >> -List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >> ========== >> FORUMS - >> eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> b Site - >> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contributi on >> ========== >> >> >> >> > > > -- > *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email > address before sending.* > > * > =========== onics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List> =========== =========== om/contribution> =========== > > * > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:19:35 AM PST US From: Herb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Primer Bulb I think the space program goes for triple or quadruple redundancy and the computers take a vote! :-) My thought is that a good ole squeeze bulb would be a good addition to the dual electric fuel pumps.. Accessible from the cockpit... Over the years I have met more than one fellow who did the "squeeze" to stay in the air and get to a safe landing...! Obviously, the dual electric pumps need dual batteries, dual generators and dual regulators.. :-) Herb On 08/16/2015 11:14 AM, B Young wrote: > > Just a quick comment by way of a question... don't both the fct pump > and the pulce pump have check valves built in? If so, isn't adding > additional check valves just installing more failure points? if they > don't have built in check valves then I suppose that they are > necessary.... next,,, If there is a failure in one of the pumps,, > Will it be necessary to shut that that line and pump off? I'm > guessing that the answer to this question is dependent on the type of > failure. Or am I just over thinking this? > Boyd Young > > On Aug 16, 2015 9:48 AM, "Larry Cottrell" > wrote: > > Glad to be of assistance. Keep in mind that if you use two fuel > lines the check valve is going to have to be in the other line, > not where the two lines converge into one. > Good luck > Larry > > On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 7:52 AM, Dee One > wrote: > > > > > Thanks Larry, your comments are consistent with my thinking. I > will forgo the primer bulb and utilize the facet for priming > and for duplicity. I do have the check valve manifold at the > carbs. Also, the facet is in the 3 to 5 PSI range required for > the Rotax 582. Keep those videos coming. > > Thanks, > Dee > > -------- > The Past is History > The Future is a Mystery > Today is a Gift > Thats Why They Call it the Present > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446019#446019 > > > ========== > -List" rel="noreferrer" > target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > ========== > FORUMS - > eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > b Site - > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > rel="noreferrer" > target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > -- > /If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my > email address before sending./ > > * > > get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > * > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:40:37 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Primer Bulb 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Accessible from the cockpit... Over the years I have met more than one fellow who did the "squeeze" to stay in the air and get to a safe landing...! Obviously, the dual electric pumps need dual batteries, dual generators and dual regulators.. :-) Herb --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------- Of course one of those puppy's weigh a bit more than my engine will haul. I find that in most instances if given half a chance it is easier to outsmart yourself than not. I know for sure that I have gone through about 5 of those squeeze bulbs and had nothing but trouble from every one. Of course the problem with the bulbs is the additives that are added to the fuel supply by the refineries. For my own plane, I have one line from each tank with a filter on the pickup tube, going to a selector valve, to a facet pump ( with over 600 hours on it) to an inline filter, to the pulse pump, then on to the carbs. Sometime more is less, but that is a decision that each one of us has to make. Larry On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 11:19 AM, Herb wrote: > I think the space program goes for triple or quadruple redundancy and the > computers take a vote! :-) > > My thought is that a good ole squeeze bulb would be a good addition to > the dual electric fuel pumps.. Accessible from the cockpit... Over the > years I have met more than one fellow who did the "squeeze" to stay in th e > air and get to a safe landing...! Obviously, the dual electric pumps ne ed > dual batteries, dual generators and dual regulators.. :-) Herb > > On 08/16/2015 11:14 AM, B Young wrote: > > Just a quick comment by way of a question... don't both the fct pump and > the pulce pump have check valves built in? If so, isn't adding > additional check valves just installing more failure points? if they > don't have built in check valves then I suppose that they are > necessary.... next,,, If there is a failure in one of the pumps,, Wil l > it be necessary to shut that that line and pump off? I'm guessing that > the answer to this question is dependent on the type of failure. Or am I > just over thinking this? > Boyd Young > On Aug 16, 2015 9:48 AM, "Larry Cottrell" wrote : > >> Glad to be of assistance. Keep in mind that if you use two fuel lines th e >> check valve is going to have to be in the other line, not where the two >> lines converge into one. >> Good luck >> Larry >> >> On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 7:52 AM, Dee One wrote: >> >>> >>> Thanks Larry, your comments are consistent with my thinking. I will >>> forgo the primer bulb and utilize the facet for priming and for duplici ty. >>> I do have the check valve manifold at the carbs. Also, the facet is in the >>> 3 to 5 PSI range required for the Rotax 582. Keep those videos coming. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Dee >>> >>> -------- >>> The Past is History >>> The Future is a Mystery >>> Today is a Gift >>> That=99s Why They Call it the Present >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446019#446019 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ========== >>> -List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"> >>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >>> ========== >>> FORUMS - >>> eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com >>> ========== >>> b Site - >>> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >>> rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribut ion >>> ========== >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email >> address before sending.* >> >> * >> >> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >> tp://forums.matronics.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> * >> >> > > > * > =========== onics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List> =========== =========== om/contribution> =========== > > * > > -- *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.* ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:37:01 PM PST US From: Dee LeBlanc Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Primer Bulb The attached link has an excellent article on fuel delivery systems and components. Heavenbound Aviation is where I purchased the check valve manifold that=99s located near the carbs. This can be seen in one of the photos. This article addressed all the subjects we=99ve been discussing. Yes Boyd, check valves are needed within the pump to allow a diaphragm-type pump system to function. Also, if one of the pumps fail, it can simply be replaced. Thanks for the opinions all . . . I=99m now confident that I=99ll not need (nor install) a primer bulb. http://www.heavenboundaviation.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Fuel-deliver y-system-article-with-logo.pdf Dee LeBlanc leblancds@cox.net cell 225-802-1038 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Past is History The Future is a Mystery Today is a Gift That=99s Why They Call it the Present > On Aug 16, 2015, at 12:42 PM, Gary Jindra wrote: > > The 582 has a pulse pump, only the facet pump is electric and it is the backup or used to fill fuel lines for startup. This is how I ran my 582 and now my 912ul. > > > > > Sent from Samsung tablet > > > > -------- Original message -------- > =46rom Herb > Date: 08/16/2015 1:19 PM (GMT-05:00) > To kolb-list@matronics.com > Subject Re: Kolb-List: Re: Primer Bulb > > > I think the space program goes for triple or quadruple redundancy and the computers take a vote! :-) > > My thought is that a good ole squeeze bulb would be a good addition to the dual electric fuel pumps.. Accessible from the cockpit... Over the years I have met more than one fellow who did the "squeeze" to stay in the air and get to a safe landing...! Obviously, the dual electric pumps need dual batteries, dual generators and dual regulators.. :-) Herb > > On 08/16/2015 11:14 AM, B Young wrote: >> Just a quick comment by way of a question... don't both the fct pump and the pulce pump have check valves built in? If so, isn't adding additional check valves just installing more failure points? if they don't have built in check valves then I suppose that they are necessary.... next,,, If there is a failure in one of the pumps,, Will it be necessary to shut that that line and pump off? I'm guessing that the answer to this question is dependent on the type of failure. Or am I just over thinking this? >> Boyd Young >> >> On Aug 16, 2015 9:48 AM, "Larry Cottrell" > wrote: >> Glad to be of assistance. Keep in mind that if you use two fuel lines the check valve is going to have to be in the other line, not where the two lines converge into one. >> Good luck >> Larry >> >> On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 7:52 AM, Dee One > wrote: > >> >> Thanks Larry, your comments are consistent with my thinking. I will forgo the primer bulb and utilize the facet for priming and for duplicity. I do have the check valve manifold at the carbs. Also, the facet is in the 3 to 5 PSI range required for the Rotax 582. 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