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1. 07:55 PM - Re: Re: Primer Bulb (John Hauck)
2. 08:21 PM - Re: Primer Bulb (Richard Pike)
3. 08:23 PM - Re: Re: legs (John Hauck)
4. 08:45 PM - Re: Re: Primer Bulb (John Hauck)
5. 10:08 PM - fly safe...use a rubber...hose that is!! (Herb)
6. 11:17 PM - Re: Re: legs (Richard Girard)
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I've used Gates neoprene fuel like for all three of my Kolbs
over a 30+ year span. Found out early on plastic line is a
failure waiting to happen. First failure was the fuel pump
pulse line. Fortunately I found it on the ground.
I use straight neoprene fuel line for all fuel deliver,
drains, and vent tubes. Adding aluminum lines to replace
sections of neoprene is probably ok, but adds a lot of
additional connections, usually where a possible failure
could occur.
Keep it simple.
john h
JBER, Anchorage, Alaska
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Richard Pike
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 5:19 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Primer Bulb
--> <thegreybaron@charter.net>
Hate to be the duty curmudgeon, but I had a couple problems
with Heavenbound Aviation's guide.
One is that he pictures a fuel filter with a paper filtering
element. Will that still allow gas to flow through it if it
gets a dose of water?
If you use a good quality filter in your tank, then you can
use an inline bronze filter in a transparent case with out
any worries. The best tank filter/pickup is a replacement
for the ones that go on in-tank car fuel pumps, they are
fine mesh nylon, very large with lots of surface area, and
pretty cheap.
His description and pictures of using safety wire as a fuel
line clamp is simply wrong. He uses one wrap and a straight
twist. One wrap fails to secure part of one side, and a
straight end is a good way to jab yourself and bleed all
over your airplane every time you get near your fuel system.
Double wrap and bend the end over like in the attached
photo. (found that old filter & line in the scrap bin)
Finally, I suggest never using blue urethane line for
anything, period. Soft aluminum fuel line from Aircraft
Spruce is cheaper and lasts forever if properly installed.
Blue urethane can look good and feel soft, and break without
warning. (Guess how I know this?) Good grade NAPA fuel line
will still look good on the outside after many years and
does not deteriorate, I use that where the aluminum line
ends to connect to the carbs, fuel pump, etc.
Worth what ya paid for it.
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
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John Hauck wrote:
>
> Adding aluminum lines to replace sections of neoprene is probably ok, but adds
a lot of additional connections, usually where a possible failure
> could occur.
>
> Keep it simple.
>
> john h
> JBER, Anchorage, Alaska
>
> --
I guess if I had 100 hp on my MKIII I wouldn't care about hauling around extra
ounces either, but since neoprene is heavier than aluminum fuel line, and I only
have 65 hp to work with, I will use the good/light stuff and insure due diligence
at my connections.
Clear skies and tailwinds to you Bro.
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
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I'm certainly not the "procedure police", but I am and have
been a member of the Kolb Builder and Flyers List for many
years.
I speak for myself and no one else.
The best way to kill a good Kolb List is to ignore the
posted guidelines, turning a List for serious builders and
flyers of Kolb aircraft into a chat room. It is then no
longer the Kolb List.
Please have some respect for those of us that are "real"
Kolb enthusiast. Some of you seem to do you damnedest to
ruin our List.
If you want to share subjects not Kolb related, take them
somewhere else. Start a bull shit list for bull shit
subjects.
There are times traffic on the Kolb List is slow and
nonexistent. That does not mean the List is dead. When
someone has a problem or wants to share something Kolb, they
will, and the conversations begin on that subject.
Please do not destroy our Kolb List.
john h
Kolb MKIII, N101AB
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Patrick Ladd
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: legs
<patrickjladd@hotmail.com>
Come on you guys, there would seem to be some great stories
out there. Lets have `em. Let the procedure police stew for
while. Pat
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From: Brad Nation
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 4:04 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: legs
<nationcap@comcast.net>
Does an hour back seat ride in an A-7 with an emergency
landing or taxi ride in a B-57G count?
Sent from my iPad
Brad
> On Aug 10, 2015, at 09:37, Tom O'Hara
<tohara@alphagraphics.com> wrote:
>
> --> <tohara@alphagraphics.com>
>
> Okay, are we comparing who paid what for how many hours in
what type
> of aircraft? If so..... crossed the Alps in hot air.
Left Murren,
> flew
> 5.75 hours, up to 19,500 ft. Dropper to 10' and flew the
Eiger glacier.
> Landed north of Lugano and could see all the way down the
Italian boot.
> At one point had a Swiss Air 747 doing a turn around us.
Best day of
> my
> life---- with my pants on. Cost about $2200USD. That
included meals
> and a hotel for the night before. Lifted off with 120
gallons of
> propane and landed with less than 10--phew.
>
> Still love my Kolb!! Just think the Kolb is about 10x
faster!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=445771#445771
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Brother Pike:
I have no doubt you will make the very best fuel line
connections possible, no matter how many there are.
I can assure you my 65 hp MKIII flew quite well with
neoprene fuel line. Most folks know I build heavy
airplanes, haul 25 gallons of fuel, and 100 or more pounds
of gear when I go flying. I didn't encounter any problem
flying to Lakeland, FL, Homer Kolb's house, and Oshkosh
hauling all that load with 65 hp.
I doubt very seriously you or your 65 hp MKIII would ever
notice the difference in a few extra ounces.
john h
mkIII powered with 65, 80, and 100 (95 useable) HP engines.
JBER, Anchorage, Alaska
I guess if I had 100 hp on my MKIII I wouldn't care about
hauling around extra ounces either, but since neoprene is
heavier than aluminum fuel line, and I only have 65 hp to
work with, I will use the good/light stuff and insure due
diligence at my connections.
Clear skies and tailwinds to you Bro.
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
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will be done,' and those to whom God says, 'All right, then,
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Pore ole Herb....I go into the auto parts store and ask for Gates fuel
line...Most sell that particular brand...Neoprene seems to refer to the
outside cover.. Three layers... good for 10% corn elixir... That what
you buy..John?
Wonder if Beauford gets his corn through a straw or gates hose?? :-)
For all of those on the edge of their seats :-) ,,,,Just about
ready to commit to the air...got caught in that 90% done 90% to go
syndrome...and to be honest lots of things to do on my 35 acres... The
Firefly is looking pretty good... Full enclosure is done...
Wondering if the two blade 60 inch Warp Drive prop is going to be
enough...? As I said before...I will trade a three blade,
medium(503,582) Ivo for a three blade UL version... I like the
smoothness of the IVO ..
And....all my previous builds were completely done in Insignia
White....so I have no experience in taping and trim painting....I want
to do the Bryan Milborn standard paint job...quite similar to half of
the Kolbs that are for sale on Barnstormers....The previous owner had
painted the tail feathers in a trim scheme that looks close to Factory..
Interesting that a so so Firefly for sale has an asking of 9k and a
darn pretty one 25k!! I know well that my 1k john boat will catch as
many fish as a 50K bass boat...:-) Maybe the 9k version does not come
with a fishing pole? But I digress!
The previous owner had painted the tail feathers in a trim scheme
that looks close to Factory...
I bought the standard, recommended 3M blue tape..and gathered up as
much news paper that I might need... I was warned about the type of
newspaper that has the small holes in it...
I can see laying down the first line of blue tape then overlaying
that with another line of tape which includes the blocking paper....
need all the help that I can get... Herb in Ky
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And if I may add to John's request, if you want to give a builder an atta
boy, or signify your agreement with someone else's technical answer or
anything that doesn't add some knowledge to the forum archives, please,
PLEASE, put do not archive below your signature. This isn't my request,
this is Matt's, it's in the user agreement we all sign to be members of
this forum. The reason for not saving every last comment is simple, Matt's
servers have a limited capacity. Go ahead and make whatever comment you
think appropriate, but if it doesn't add to the technical database just add
those three little words to your comment.
Rick Girard
do not archive
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 10:19 PM, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
>
> I'm certainly not the "procedure police", but I am and have
> been a member of the Kolb Builder and Flyers List for many
> years.
>
> I speak for myself and no one else.
>
> The best way to kill a good Kolb List is to ignore the
> posted guidelines, turning a List for serious builders and
> flyers of Kolb aircraft into a chat room. It is then no
> longer the Kolb List.
>
> Please have some respect for those of us that are "real"
> Kolb enthusiast. Some of you seem to do you damnedest to
> ruin our List.
>
> If you want to share subjects not Kolb related, take them
> somewhere else. Start a bull shit list for bull shit
> subjects.
>
> There are times traffic on the Kolb List is slow and
> nonexistent. That does not mean the List is dead. When
> someone has a problem or wants to share something Kolb, they
> will, and the conversations begin on that subject.
>
> Please do not destroy our Kolb List.
>
> john h
> Kolb MKIII, N101AB
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Patrick Ladd
> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 10:38 AM
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: legs
>
> <patrickjladd@hotmail.com>
>
> Come on you guys, there would seem to be some great stories
> out there. Lets have `em. Let the procedure police stew for
> while. Pat
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brad Nation
> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 4:04 AM
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: legs
>
> <nationcap@comcast.net>
>
> Does an hour back seat ride in an A-7 with an emergency
> landing or taxi ride in a B-57G count?
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> Brad
>
> > On Aug 10, 2015, at 09:37, Tom O'Hara
> <tohara@alphagraphics.com> wrote:
> >
> > --> <tohara@alphagraphics.com>
> >
> > Okay, are we comparing who paid what for how many hours in
> what type
> > of aircraft? If so..... crossed the Alps in hot air.
> Left Murren,
> > flew
> > 5.75 hours, up to 19,500 ft. Dropper to 10' and flew the
> Eiger glacier.
> > Landed north of Lugano and could see all the way down the
> Italian boot.
> > At one point had a Swiss Air 747 doing a turn around us.
> Best day of
> > my
> > life---- with my pants on. Cost about $2200USD. That
> included meals
> > and a hotel for the night before. Lifted off with 120
> gallons of
> > propane and landed with less than 10--phew.
> >
> > Still love my Kolb!! Just think the Kolb is about 10x
> faster!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=445771#445771
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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