Kolb-List Digest Archive

Wed 08/19/15


Total Messages Posted: 11



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 02:24 AM - Procedure police (Patrick Ladd)
     2. 02:55 AM - Re: Re: legs (Patrick Ladd)
     3. 08:02 AM - Edit Subject Line (Rick Neilsen)
     4. 08:23 AM - Painting trim (Stuart Harner)
     5. 08:32 AM - do not archive (Stuart Harner)
     6. 09:42 AM - Re: Painting trim (Herb)
     7. 10:03 AM - Re: Painting trim (pcking)
     8. 10:20 AM - Re: Edit Subject Line (B Young)
     9. 02:59 PM - Re: Painting trim (kinne russ)
    10. 03:56 PM - Re: Painting trim (Sky Biker)
    11. 06:44 PM - Re: Edit Subject Line (Richard Pike)
 
 
 


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    Time: 02:24:37 AM PST US
    From: Patrick Ladd <patrickjladd@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Procedure police
    John, you took so long jumping on this one I thought you must be on a Xcountry somewhere and out of touch. Yes it is a Kolb list, not exclusively a Kolb BUILDERS list, but a list for Kolb owners and flyers. Surprisingly there are some listers who are not enthused by the never ending discussion of adding primer bulbs and pumps to an engine which works perfectly well straight from the makers without them. Fine if that is what turns you on. But there are others who would like to talk about flying occasionally. See how popular the flying videos are. People have adventures, mischances, experiences which are not only interesting but often instructive of the `I learned about flying from that` genre. Your own stories of your Xcountries are fascinating if a little too short. When I was dithering about my proposed Spitfire flight several listers posted urging me to go for it and TELL THE LIST ABOUT IT AFTERWARDS. A few yarns about something other than how to straighten gear legs will not signal the end of the list as we know it. It will be a short diversion and then we shall be back to the usual fare. No one wishes to change the basic format of the list, it has survived and proved itself, but it would be interesting to hear other listers flying experiences sometimes. Cheers Pat -----Original Message----- From: John Hauck Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 4:19 AM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: legs I'm certainly not the "procedure police", but I am and have been a member of the Kolb Builder and Flyers List for many years. I speak for myself and no one else. The best way to kill a good Kolb List is to ignore the posted guidelines, turning a List for serious builders and flyers of Kolb aircraft into a chat room. It is then no longer the Kolb List. Please have some respect for those of us that are "real" Kolb enthusiast. Some of you seem to do you damnedest to ruin our List. If you want to share subjects not Kolb related, take them somewhere else. Start a bull shit list for bull shit subjects. There are times traffic on the Kolb List is slow and nonexistent. That does not mean the List is dead. When someone has a problem or wants to share something Kolb, they will, and the conversations begin on that subject. Please do not destroy our Kolb List. john h Kolb MKIII, N101AB -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Ladd Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 10:38 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: legs <patrickjladd@hotmail.com> Come on you guys, there would seem to be some great stories out there. Lets have `em. Let the procedure police stew for while. Pat -----Original Message----- From: Brad Nation Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 4:04 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: legs <nationcap@comcast.net> Does an hour back seat ride in an A-7 with an emergency landing or taxi ride in a B-57G count? Sent from my iPad Brad > On Aug 10, 2015, at 09:37, Tom O'Hara <tohara@alphagraphics.com> wrote: > > --> <tohara@alphagraphics.com> > > Okay, are we comparing who paid what for how many hours in what type > of aircraft? If so..... crossed the Alps in hot air. Left Murren, > flew > 5.75 hours, up to 19,500 ft. Dropper to 10' and flew the Eiger glacier. > Landed north of Lugano and could see all the way down the Italian boot. > At one point had a Swiss Air 747 doing a turn around us. Best day of > my > life---- with my pants on. Cost about $2200USD. That included meals > and a hotel for the night before. Lifted off with 120 gallons of > propane and landed with less than 10--phew. > > Still love my Kolb!! Just think the Kolb is about 10x faster! > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=445771#445771 > > = Photoshare, and much much more: = = =


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    Time: 02:55:48 AM PST US
    From: Patrick Ladd <patrickjladd@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Re: legs
    Great Stuff, Brad. More interesting than primer bulbs!. Pat From: Brad Nation Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 4:18 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: legs Thought this is not Kolb but it is however flying. Yes they both were for different reasons. The B-57G taxi ride was when I was about 12 and we were stationed at Eglin A.F.B. Fl. Every month my Dad would take my brother and me to get our hair cut and breakfast. On this occasion we stopped by to check on his airplane, which was on the flight line as it had just getting some repair or maintenance. The Crew Chief suggested that my Dad take it for a taxi. I don=92t know who suggested that by brother and I get in the back seat. Of course being the obedient military brats we climbed right in. Being that we were just kids and their wasn=92t then normal parachute or survival pack seat so we weren=92t able see out out But that didn=92t matter, we were riding not just a military plane by Dad=92s plane. How cool was that? Very! The A-7 ride was an incentive ride while I was in the New Mexico Air National Guard. The flight started out as a 4 ship training mission to an MOA in Colorado, a bombing mission. Two of the planes had to return to base due to some mechanical problems. I got to fly pretty much the whole way up. For each run we would come in low, invert to acquire the target, roll out drop the bombs and pull out with about 3.5 Gs. Yes the G suites do work. After the bombing runs my pilot asks me if I=92m ready to join up with the lead. I tell him yes and he pulls up and do a few barrel rolls around the lead. I go to full O2. On the return to base over Northern NM we are doing some somewhat low level terrain following a few 100 feet off the deck. And that=92s when I ask the pilot what the yellow GEN light is for, he says give me some reply that isn=92t =93yeppy=94. He deploys the RAT (Ram Air Turbine) which is supposed to spin up in the slip stream and generate electricity for some of the hydraulics and such, nothing really important, just brakes, air conditioning, and some other stuff. By the way this is taking place in the summer in New Mexico it=92s hot but not nearly so as Phoenix. But it=92s a dry heat. I=92m informed that if anything else goes wrong we are punching out so we go over the ejection procedures. Fortunately we don=92t have to. We contact NMANG Ops and let home know we have an emergency. The A-7 was originally a Navy design so it has an arresting tail hook. It takes a bit for them to set up the arresting gear on the runway so we have to circle around a bit in the summer sun with no air-conditioning. The landing is uneventful but very quick. Had I been quick enough I should have asked to log the dual instruction time in my log book, not sure if that would have happened but it would have been nice. Brad ___________________________ =93Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free.=94 -- President Ronald Reagan On Aug 13, 2015, at 12:46 , Tom O'Hara <tohara@alphagraphics.com> wrote: <tohara@alphagraphics.com> Yellowbird-- if we are really counting, they count. If we are not counting, they still count! Both must have been good rides! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=445900#445900


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    Time: 08:02:53 AM PST US
    Subject: Edit Subject Line
    From: Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm@gmail.com>
    On occasion I don't see a problem with new discussions that aren't entirely Kolb. What I do have a problem with is the continued use of the subject line when it turns else where. If you change to a new subject/discussion please change the subject line. And yes please use "do not archive" where appropriate. Another issue is religious sayings one member feels he needs to always post in his signature line. I have politely asked him to quit adding these things. Long ugly story but he has refused. I started adding contrary quotes to my posts but felt I had descended to his level so I quit doing it. Shouldn't we keep our Kolb list free of this sort of thing also? Do not archive Rick Neilsen On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 2:16 AM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com> wrote: > And if I may add to John's request, if you want to give a builder an atta > boy, or signify your agreement with someone else's technical answer or > anything that doesn't add some knowledge to the forum archives, please, > PLEASE, put do not archive below your signature. This isn't my request, > this is Matt's, it's in the user agreement we all sign to be members of > this forum. The reason for not saving every last comment is simple, Matt's > servers have a limited capacity. Go ahead and make whatever comment you > think appropriate, but if it doesn't add to the technical database just add > those three little words to your comment. > > Rick Girard > do not archive > > On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 10:19 PM, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote: > >> >> I'm certainly not the "procedure police", but I am and have >> been a member of the Kolb Builder and Flyers List for many >> years. >> >> I speak for myself and no one else. >> >> The best way to kill a good Kolb List is to ignore the >> posted guidelines, turning a List for serious builders and >> flyers of Kolb aircraft into a chat room. It is then no >> longer the Kolb List. >> >> Please have some respect for those of us that are "real" >> Kolb enthusiast. Some of you seem to do you damnedest to >> ruin our List. >> >> If you want to share subjects not Kolb related, take them >> somewhere else. Start a bull shit list for bull shit >> subjects. >> >> There are times traffic on the Kolb List is slow and >> nonexistent. That does not mean the List is dead. When >> someone has a problem or wants to share something Kolb, they >> will, and the conversations begin on that subject. >> >> Please do not destroy our Kolb List. >> >> john h >> Kolb MKIII, N101AB >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of >> Patrick Ladd >> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 10:38 AM >> To: kolb-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: legs >> >> <patrickjladd@hotmail.com> >> >> Come on you guys, there would seem to be some great stories >> out there. Lets have `em. Let the procedure police stew for >> while. Pat >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Brad Nation >> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 4:04 AM >> To: kolb-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: legs >> >> <nationcap@comcast.net> >> >> Does an hour back seat ride in an A-7 with an emergency >> landing or taxi ride in a B-57G count? >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> Brad >> >> > On Aug 10, 2015, at 09:37, Tom O'Hara >> <tohara@alphagraphics.com> wrote: >> > >> > --> <tohara@alphagraphics.com> >> > >> > Okay, are we comparing who paid what for how many hours in >> what type >> > of aircraft? If so..... crossed the Alps in hot air. >> Left Murren, >> > flew >> > 5.75 hours, up to 19,500 ft. Dropper to 10' and flew the >> Eiger glacier. >> > Landed north of Lugano and could see all the way down the >> Italian boot. >> > At one point had a Swiss Air 747 doing a turn around us. >> Best day of >> > my >> > life---- with my pants on. Cost about $2200USD. That >> included meals >> > and a hotel for the night before. Lifted off with 120 >> gallons of >> > propane and landed with less than 10--phew. >> > >> > Still love my Kolb!! Just think the Kolb is about 10x >> faster! >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Read this topic online here: >> > >> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=445771#445771 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> = >> Photoshare, and much much more: >> = >> = >> = >> >> >> >> >> ========== >> -List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >> ========== >> FORUMS - >> eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> b Site - >> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ========== >> >> >> >> > > > -- > > > Believe those who are seeking the truth, doubt those who find it. > -Andre Gide > > * > > > * > >


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    Time: 08:23:25 AM PST US
    From: "Stuart Harner" <stuart@harnerfarm.net>
    Subject: Painting trim
    Herb, You are correct about putting the first layer of tape exactly on the line you want. Then tape the paper down to the first tape with another layer of tape. I know this takes twice as much tape but it is worth it just in the ease of application. You can actually use plain old brown masking tape for this and save a little $$. Usually I put all the first tape down before I start putting the tape/paper down. That way you can stand back and "eyeball" your work to see if it matches what you were planning. Sometimes tape gets applied to the wrong side of the "line" and it is really hard to see that if you have the masking paper in place. Looking at the first run of tape also helps identify any less than straight areas. Much easier to lift and adjust a single line of tape than the whole masked up edge. I found the local big box hardware store had brown masking paper in rolls up to 12" wide. The local NAPA store had wider stock. I did not try newspapers as there are lots of recommendations against that. Hopefully you won't have any problems. Putting two or three layers of newspaper in the first 12" away from the trim line would help absorb any overspray that may be heavier in that area. Last piece of advice. Run your fingernail over all the tape where it contacts the fabric just before you spray. That way there is nice fresh tight contact between the tape and the fabric. This will help prevent the new paint from creeping under the tape. Don't worry about the blue tape sticking to the previous paint. As long as it has had a day or two to dry, the blue tape will peel off nicely and not leave any residue. It can be removed as soon as the paint on the tape is dry to the touch. Best of luck and post pictures when you get'er done! Stuart <snip> I bought the standard, recommended 3M blue tape..and gathered up as much news paper that I might need... I was warned about the type of newspaper that has the small holes in it... I can see laying down the first line of blue tape then overlaying that with another line of tape which includes the blocking paper.... need all the help that I can get... Herb in Ky


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    Time: 08:32:17 AM PST US
    From: "Stuart Harner" <stuart@harnerfarm.net>
    Subject: do not archive
    Does this really work? Whenever I pull up a past thread using the search function there are lots of posts in that thread that have the "do not archive" listed but yet, there they are. Does the "do not archive" only apply to the original post and not to any replies it may generate? Just curious, Stuart P.S. Just for kicks and giggles: Do not archive


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    Time: 09:42:03 AM PST US
    From: Herb <Herbgh@nctc.com>
    Subject: Re: Painting trim
    Stuart I suspect that the print on the newspaper will bleed with the acetone and mek that is in the paint? Think I will buy some brown paper at one of the auto or hardware stores...Herb ps thanks for the procedure...Think I am good to go on the fuselage..will paint the wing leading edge outside...:-) On 08/19/2015 10:23 AM, Stuart Harner wrote: > > Herb, > > You are correct about putting the first layer of tape exactly on the line > you want. Then tape the paper down to the first tape with another layer of > tape. I know this takes twice as much tape but it is worth it just in the > ease of application. You can actually use plain old brown masking tape for > this and save a little $$. Usually I put all the first tape down before I > start putting the tape/paper down. That way you can stand back and "eyeball" > your work to see if it matches what you were planning. Sometimes tape gets > applied to the wrong side of the "line" and it is really hard to see that if > you have the masking paper in place. > > Looking at the first run of tape also helps identify any less than straight > areas. Much easier to lift and adjust a single line of tape than the whole > masked up edge. > > I found the local big box hardware store had brown masking paper in rolls up > to 12" wide. The local NAPA store had wider stock. I did not try newspapers > as there are lots of recommendations against that. Hopefully you won't have > any problems. Putting two or three layers of newspaper in the first 12" away > from the trim line would help absorb any overspray that may be heavier in > that area. > > Last piece of advice. Run your fingernail over all the tape where it > contacts the fabric just before you spray. That way there is nice fresh > tight contact between the tape and the fabric. This will help prevent the > new paint from creeping under the tape. Don't worry about the blue tape > sticking to the previous paint. As long as it has had a day or two to dry, > the blue tape will peel off nicely and not leave any residue. It can be > removed as soon as the paint on the tape is dry to the touch. > > Best of luck and post pictures when you get'er done! > > Stuart > > > <snip> > I bought the standard, recommended 3M blue tape..and gathered up as much > news paper that I might need... I was warned about the type of newspaper > that has the small holes in it... > > I can see laying down the first line of blue tape then overlaying that > with another line of tape which includes the blocking paper.... > need all the help that I can get... Herb in Ky > >


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    Time: 10:03:02 AM PST US
    From: "pcking" <pc.king@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Painting trim
    Test masking tape for paint bleed under the edges before you put it all over your Kolb. Blue painter's tape is low stick and has a better edge. You can buy blue tape with paper already applied to it. It costs more but is worth the lower effort. Taping paper is like hanging wallpaper by yourself. It's not pretty. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Herb" <Herbgh@nctc.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 12:41 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Painting trim > > Stuart > > I suspect that the print on the newspaper will bleed with the acetone > and mek that is in the paint? Think I will buy some brown paper at one of > the auto or hardware stores...Herb > > ps thanks for the procedure...Think I am good to go on the fuselage..will > paint the wing leading edge outside...:-) > > On 08/19/2015 10:23 AM, Stuart Harner wrote: >> >> Herb, >> >> You are correct about putting the first layer of tape exactly on the line >> you want. Then tape the paper down to the first tape with another layer >> of >> tape. I know this takes twice as much tape but it is worth it just in the >> ease of application. You can actually use plain old brown masking tape >> for >> this and save a little $$. Usually I put all the first tape down before I >> start putting the tape/paper down. That way you can stand back and >> "eyeball" >> your work to see if it matches what you were planning. Sometimes tape >> gets >> applied to the wrong side of the "line" and it is really hard to see that >> if >> you have the masking paper in place. >> >> Looking at the first run of tape also helps identify any less than >> straight >> areas. Much easier to lift and adjust a single line of tape than the >> whole >> masked up edge. >> >> I found the local big box hardware store had brown masking paper in rolls >> up >> to 12" wide. The local NAPA store had wider stock. I did not try >> newspapers >> as there are lots of recommendations against that. Hopefully you won't >> have >> any problems. Putting two or three layers of newspaper in the first 12" >> away >> from the trim line would help absorb any overspray that may be heavier in >> that area. >> >> Last piece of advice. Run your fingernail over all the tape where it >> contacts the fabric just before you spray. That way there is nice fresh >> tight contact between the tape and the fabric. This will help prevent the >> new paint from creeping under the tape. Don't worry about the blue tape >> sticking to the previous paint. As long as it has had a day or two to >> dry, >> the blue tape will peel off nicely and not leave any residue. It can be >> removed as soon as the paint on the tape is dry to the touch. >> >> Best of luck and post pictures when you get'er done! >> >> Stuart >> >> >> >> >> <snip> >> I bought the standard, recommended 3M blue tape..and gathered up as >> much >> news paper that I might need... I was warned about the type of newspaper >> that has the small holes in it... >> >> I can see laying down the first line of blue tape then overlaying >> that >> with another line of tape which includes the blocking paper.... >> need all the help that I can get... Herb in Ky >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >


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    Time: 10:20:11 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Edit Subject Line
    From: B Young <byoungplumbing@gmail.com>
    You have my vote Boyd Do not archive On Aug 19, 2015 9:05 AM, "Rick Neilsen" <neilsenrm@gmail.com> wrote: > On occasion I don't see a problem with new discussions that aren't > entirely Kolb. What I do have a problem with is the continued use of the > subject line when it turns else where. If you change to a new > subject/discussion please change the subject line. And yes please use "do > not archive" where appropriate. > > Another issue is religious sayings one member feels he needs to always > post in his signature line. I have politely asked him to quit adding these > things. Long ugly story but he has refused. I started adding contrary > quotes to my posts but felt I had descended to his level so I quit doing > it. Shouldn't we keep our Kolb list free of this sort of thing also? > > Do not archive > > Rick Neilsen > > On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 2:16 AM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> And if I may add to John's request, if you want to give a builder an atta >> boy, or signify your agreement with someone else's technical answer or >> anything that doesn't add some knowledge to the forum archives, please, >> PLEASE, put do not archive below your signature. This isn't my request, >> this is Matt's, it's in the user agreement we all sign to be members of >> this forum. The reason for not saving every last comment is simple, Matt's >> servers have a limited capacity. Go ahead and make whatever comment you >> think appropriate, but if it doesn't add to the technical database just add >> those three little words to your comment. >> >> Rick Girard >> do not archive >> >> On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 10:19 PM, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> I'm certainly not the "procedure police", but I am and have >>> been a member of the Kolb Builder and Flyers List for many >>> years. >>> >>> I speak for myself and no one else. >>> >>> The best way to kill a good Kolb List is to ignore the >>> posted guidelines, turning a List for serious builders and >>> flyers of Kolb aircraft into a chat room. It is then no >>> longer the Kolb List. >>> >>> Please have some respect for those of us that are "real" >>> Kolb enthusiast. Some of you seem to do you damnedest to >>> ruin our List. >>> >>> If you want to share subjects not Kolb related, take them >>> somewhere else. Start a bull shit list for bull shit >>> subjects. >>> >>> There are times traffic on the Kolb List is slow and >>> nonexistent. That does not mean the List is dead. When >>> someone has a problem or wants to share something Kolb, they >>> will, and the conversations begin on that subject. >>> >>> Please do not destroy our Kolb List. >>> >>> john h >>> Kolb MKIII, N101AB >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com >>> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of >>> Patrick Ladd >>> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 10:38 AM >>> To: kolb-list@matronics.com >>> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: legs >>> >>> <patrickjladd@hotmail.com> >>> >>> Come on you guys, there would seem to be some great stories >>> out there. Lets have `em. Let the procedure police stew for >>> while. Pat >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Brad Nation >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 4:04 AM >>> To: kolb-list@matronics.com >>> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: legs >>> >>> <nationcap@comcast.net> >>> >>> Does an hour back seat ride in an A-7 with an emergency >>> landing or taxi ride in a B-57G count? >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> Brad >>> >>> > On Aug 10, 2015, at 09:37, Tom O'Hara >>> <tohara@alphagraphics.com> wrote: >>> > >>> > --> <tohara@alphagraphics.com> >>> > >>> > Okay, are we comparing who paid what for how many hours in >>> what type >>> > of aircraft? If so..... crossed the Alps in hot air. >>> Left Murren, >>> > flew >>> > 5.75 hours, up to 19,500 ft. Dropper to 10' and flew the >>> Eiger glacier. >>> > Landed north of Lugano and could see all the way down the >>> Italian boot. >>> > At one point had a Swiss Air 747 doing a turn around us. >>> Best day of >>> > my >>> > life---- with my pants on. Cost about $2200USD. That >>> included meals >>> > and a hotel for the night before. Lifted off with 120 >>> gallons of >>> > propane and landed with less than 10--phew. >>> > >>> > Still love my Kolb!! Just think the Kolb is about 10x >>> faster! >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Read this topic online here: >>> > >>> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=445771#445771 >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> = >>> Photoshare, and much much more: >>> = >>> = >>> = >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ========== >>> -List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"> >>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >>> ========== >>> FORUMS - >>> eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com >>> ========== >>> b Site - >>> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >>> rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>> ========== >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> Believe those who are seeking the truth, doubt those who find it. >> -Andre Gide >> >> * >> >> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List> >> tp://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com> >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution <http://www.matronics.com/contribution> >> >> * >> >> > * > > > * > >


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    Time: 02:59:59 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Painting trim
    From: kinne russ <russk50@gmail.com>
    Painters I agree with the advice about not using newspaper. Dont be stingy! - good paper is worth it. And I havent heard mentioned that by far the easier way to paint is to paint the trim FIRST; then mask it off & spray the rest of the plane. MUCH less area to mask off. And good luck. Fair winds, Russ K do not archive > On Aug 19, 2015, at 12:41 PM, Herb <Herbgh@nctc.com> wrote: > > > Stuart > > I suspect that the print on the newspaper will bleed with the acetone and mek that is in the paint? Think I will buy some brown paper at one of the auto or hardware stores...Herb > > ps thanks for the procedure...Think I am good to go on the fuselage..will paint the wing leading edge outside...:-) > > On 08/19/2015 10:23 AM, Stuart Harner wrote: >> >> Herb, >> >> You are correct about putting the first layer of tape exactly on the line >> you want. Then tape the paper down to the first tape with another layer of >> tape. I know this takes twice as much tape but it is worth it just in the >> ease of application. You can actually use plain old brown masking tape for >> this and save a little $$. Usually I put all the first tape down before I >> start putting the tape/paper down. That way you can stand back and "eyeball" >> your work to see if it matches what you were planning. Sometimes tape gets >> applied to the wrong side of the "line" and it is really hard to see that if >> you have the masking paper in place. >> >> Looking at the first run of tape also helps identify any less than straight >> areas. Much easier to lift and adjust a single line of tape than the whole >> masked up edge. >> >> I found the local big box hardware store had brown masking paper in rolls up >> to 12" wide. The local NAPA store had wider stock. I did not try newspapers >> as there are lots of recommendations against that. Hopefully you won't have >> any problems. Putting two or three layers of newspaper in the first 12" away >> from the trim line would help absorb any overspray that may be heavier in >> that area. >> >> Last piece of advice. Run your fingernail over all the tape where it >> contacts the fabric just before you spray. That way there is nice fresh >> tight contact between the tape and the fabric. This will help prevent the >> new paint from creeping under the tape. Don't worry about the blue tape >> sticking to the previous paint. As long as it has had a day or two to dry, >> the blue tape will peel off nicely and not leave any residue. It can be >> removed as soon as the paint on the tape is dry to the touch. >> >> Best of luck and post pictures when you get'er done! >> >> Stuart >> >> >> >> >> <snip> >> I bought the standard, recommended 3M blue tape..and gathered up as much >> news paper that I might need... I was warned about the type of newspaper >> that has the small holes in it... >> >> I can see laying down the first line of blue tape then overlaying that >> with another line of tape which includes the blocking paper.... >> need all the help that I can get... Herb in Ky >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >


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    Time: 03:56:12 PM PST US
    From: Sky Biker <smlplanet@msn.com>
    Subject: Painting trim
    Like Russ said get a good paper=2C it's worth it and less head aches. Depen ding on the style and amount=2C I painted the plane first. I found that aft er taping off the area to be trimmed I would use a a spray can of clear and sprayed the tape to stop any paint leaking under the tape onto the other p aint. > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Painting trim > From: russk50@gmail.com > Date: Wed=2C 19 Aug 2015 17:59:28 -0400 > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > > > Painters > I agree with the advice about not using newspaper. Don=92t be stingy! - g ood paper is worth it. > And I haven=92t heard mentioned that by far the easier way to paint is to paint the trim FIRST=3B then mask it off & spray the rest of the plane. MU CH less area to mask off. And good luck. > Fair winds=2C Russ K > do not archive > > > On Aug 19=2C 2015=2C at 12:41 PM=2C Herb <Herbgh@nctc.com> wrote: > > > > > > Stuart > > > > I suspect that the print on the newspaper will bleed with the acetone and mek that is in the paint? Think I will buy some brown paper at one of the auto or hardware stores...Herb > > > > ps thanks for the procedure...Think I am good to go on the fuselage..wi ll paint the wing leading edge outside...:-) > > > > On 08/19/2015 10:23 AM=2C Stuart Harner wrote: t> > >> > >> Herb=2C > >> > >> You are correct about putting the first layer of tape exactly on the l ine > >> you want. Then tape the paper down to the first tape with another laye r of > >> tape. I know this takes twice as much tape but it is worth it just in the > >> ease of application. You can actually use plain old brown masking tap e for > >> this and save a little $$. Usually I put all the first tape down befor e I > >> start putting the tape/paper down. That way you can stand back and "ey eball" > >> your work to see if it matches what you were planning. Sometimes tape gets > >> applied to the wrong side of the "line" and it is really hard to see t hat if > >> you have the masking paper in place. > >> > >> Looking at the first run of tape also helps identify any less than str aight > >> areas. Much easier to lift and adjust a single line of tape than the w hole > >> masked up edge. > >> > >> I found the local big box hardware store had brown masking paper in ro lls up > >> to 12" wide. The local NAPA store had wider stock. I did not try newsp apers > >> as there are lots of recommendations against that. Hopefully you won't have > >> any problems. Putting two or three layers of newspaper in the first 12 " away > >> from the trim line would help absorb any overspray that may be heavier in > >> that area. > >> > >> Last piece of advice. Run your fingernail over all the tape where it > >> contacts the fabric just before you spray. That way there is nice fres h > >> tight contact between the tape and the fabric. This will help prevent the > >> new paint from creeping under the tape. Don't worry about the blue tap e > >> sticking to the previous paint. As long as it has had a day or two to dry=2C > >> the blue tape will peel off nicely and not leave any residue. It can b e > >> removed as soon as the paint on the tape is dry to the touch. > >> > >> Best of luck and post pictures when you get'er done! > >> > >> Stuart > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> <snip> > >> I bought the standard=2C recommended 3M blue tape..and gathered up a s much > >> news paper that I might need... I was warned about the type of newspap er > >> that has the small holes in it... > >> > >> I can see laying down the first line of blue tape then overlaying t hat > >> with another line of tape which includes the blocking paper.... > >> need all the help that I can get... Herb in Ky > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > >


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    Subject: Re: Edit Subject Line
    From: "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron@charter.net>
    neilsenrm(at)gmail.com wrote: > > > > Another issue is religious sayings one member feels he needs to always post in his signature line. I have politely asked him to quit adding these things. Long ugly story but he has refused. I started adding contrary quotes to my posts but felt I had descended to his level so I quit doing it. Shouldn't we keep our Kolb list free of this sort of thing also? > > Do not archive > > Rick Neilsen -- Sorry you thought it was ugly, I thought that for me, I did pretty good for a change. Bottom line; we don't see eye to eye. Sorry. So I will let an atheist explain it for me. This is why my signature is what it is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6md638smQd8 Shalom. -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Kingsport, TN 3TN0 There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, 'Thy will be done,' and those to whom God says, 'All right, then, have it your way.' Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446172#446172




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