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1. 02:24 AM - Procedure police (Patrick Ladd)
2. 02:55 AM - Re: Re: legs (Patrick Ladd)
3. 08:02 AM - Edit Subject Line (Rick Neilsen)
4. 08:23 AM - Painting trim (Stuart Harner)
5. 08:32 AM - do not archive (Stuart Harner)
6. 09:42 AM - Re: Painting trim (Herb)
7. 10:03 AM - Re: Painting trim (pcking)
8. 10:20 AM - Re: Edit Subject Line (B Young)
9. 02:59 PM - Re: Painting trim (kinne russ)
10. 03:56 PM - Re: Painting trim (Sky Biker)
11. 06:44 PM - Re: Edit Subject Line (Richard Pike)
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Subject: | Procedure police |
John,
you took so long jumping on this one I thought you must be on a Xcountry
somewhere and out of touch.
Yes it is a Kolb list, not exclusively a Kolb BUILDERS list, but a list for
Kolb owners and flyers. Surprisingly there are some listers who are not
enthused by the never ending discussion of adding primer bulbs and pumps to
an engine which works perfectly well straight from the makers without them.
Fine if that is what turns you on. But there are others who would like to
talk about flying occasionally. See how popular the flying videos are.
People have adventures, mischances, experiences which are not only
interesting but often instructive of the `I learned about flying from that`
genre. Your own stories of your Xcountries are fascinating if a little too
short. When I was dithering about my proposed Spitfire flight several
listers posted urging me to go for it and TELL THE LIST ABOUT IT
AFTERWARDS. A few yarns about something other than how to straighten gear
legs will not signal the end of the list as we know it. It will be a short
diversion and then we shall be back to the usual fare. No one wishes to
change the basic format of the list, it has survived and proved itself, but
it would be interesting to hear other listers flying experiences sometimes.
Cheers
Pat
-----Original Message-----
From: John Hauck
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 4:19 AM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: legs
I'm certainly not the "procedure police", but I am and have
been a member of the Kolb Builder and Flyers List for many
years.
I speak for myself and no one else.
The best way to kill a good Kolb List is to ignore the
posted guidelines, turning a List for serious builders and
flyers of Kolb aircraft into a chat room. It is then no
longer the Kolb List.
Please have some respect for those of us that are "real"
Kolb enthusiast. Some of you seem to do you damnedest to
ruin our List.
If you want to share subjects not Kolb related, take them
somewhere else. Start a bull shit list for bull shit
subjects.
There are times traffic on the Kolb List is slow and
nonexistent. That does not mean the List is dead. When
someone has a problem or wants to share something Kolb, they
will, and the conversations begin on that subject.
Please do not destroy our Kolb List.
john h
Kolb MKIII, N101AB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Patrick Ladd
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: legs
<patrickjladd@hotmail.com>
Come on you guys, there would seem to be some great stories
out there. Lets have `em. Let the procedure police stew for
while. Pat
-----Original Message-----
From: Brad Nation
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 4:04 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: legs
<nationcap@comcast.net>
Does an hour back seat ride in an A-7 with an emergency
landing or taxi ride in a B-57G count?
Sent from my iPad
Brad
> On Aug 10, 2015, at 09:37, Tom O'Hara
<tohara@alphagraphics.com> wrote:
>
> --> <tohara@alphagraphics.com>
>
> Okay, are we comparing who paid what for how many hours in
what type
> of aircraft? If so..... crossed the Alps in hot air.
Left Murren,
> flew
> 5.75 hours, up to 19,500 ft. Dropper to 10' and flew the
Eiger glacier.
> Landed north of Lugano and could see all the way down the
Italian boot.
> At one point had a Swiss Air 747 doing a turn around us.
Best day of
> my
> life---- with my pants on. Cost about $2200USD. That
included meals
> and a hotel for the night before. Lifted off with 120
gallons of
> propane and landed with less than 10--phew.
>
> Still love my Kolb!! Just think the Kolb is about 10x
faster!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=445771#445771
>
>
=
Photoshare, and much much more:
=
=
=
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Great Stuff, Brad. More interesting than primer bulbs!. Pat
From: Brad Nation
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 4:18 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: legs
Thought this is not Kolb but it is however flying.
Yes they both were for different reasons. The B-57G taxi ride was when
I was about 12 and we were stationed at Eglin A.F.B. Fl. Every month my
Dad would take my brother and me to get our hair cut and breakfast. On
this occasion we stopped by to check on his airplane, which was on the
flight line as it had just getting some repair or maintenance. The Crew
Chief suggested that my Dad take it for a taxi. I don=92t know who
suggested that by brother and I get in the back seat. Of course being
the obedient military brats we climbed right in. Being that we were
just kids and their wasn=92t then normal parachute or survival pack seat
so we weren=92t able see out out But that didn=92t matter, we were
riding not just a military plane by Dad=92s plane. How cool was that?
Very!
The A-7 ride was an incentive ride while I was in the New Mexico Air
National Guard. The flight started out as a 4 ship training mission to
an MOA in Colorado, a bombing mission. Two of the planes had to return
to base due to some mechanical problems. I got to fly pretty much the
whole way up. For each run we would come in low, invert to acquire the
target, roll out drop the bombs and pull out with about 3.5 Gs. Yes
the G suites do work. After the bombing runs my pilot asks me if I=92m
ready to join up with the lead. I tell him yes and he pulls up and do a
few barrel rolls around the lead. I go to full O2. On the return to base
over Northern NM we are doing some somewhat low level terrain following
a few 100 feet off the deck. And that=92s when I ask the pilot what the
yellow GEN light is for, he says give me some reply that isn=92t
=93yeppy=94. He deploys the RAT (Ram Air Turbine) which is supposed to
spin up in the slip stream and generate electricity for some of the
hydraulics and such, nothing really important, just brakes, air
conditioning, and some other stuff. By the way this is taking place in
the summer in New Mexico it=92s hot but not nearly so as Phoenix. But
it=92s a dry heat. I=92m informed that if anything else goes wrong we
are punching out so we go over the ejection procedures. Fortunately we
don=92t have to. We contact NMANG Ops and let home know we have an
emergency. The A-7 was originally a Navy design so it has an arresting
tail hook. It takes a bit for them to set up the arresting gear on the
runway so we have to circle around a bit in the summer sun with no
air-conditioning. The landing is uneventful but very quick.
Had I been quick enough I should have asked to log the dual instruction
time in my log book, not sure if that would have happened but it would
have been nice.
Brad
___________________________
=93Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We
didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought
for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we
will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's
children what it was once like in the United States where men were
free.=94
-- President Ronald Reagan
On Aug 13, 2015, at 12:46 , Tom O'Hara <tohara@alphagraphics.com>
wrote:
<tohara@alphagraphics.com>
Yellowbird-- if we are really counting, they count. If we are not
counting, they still count! Both must have been good rides!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=445900#445900
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Subject: | Edit Subject Line |
On occasion I don't see a problem with new discussions that aren't entirely
Kolb. What I do have a problem with is the continued use of the subject
line when it turns else where. If you change to a new subject/discussion
please change the subject line. And yes please use "do not archive" where
appropriate.
Another issue is religious sayings one member feels he needs to always post
in his signature line. I have politely asked him to quit adding these
things. Long ugly story but he has refused. I started adding contrary
quotes to my posts but felt I had descended to his level so I quit doing
it. Shouldn't we keep our Kolb list free of this sort of thing also?
Do not archive
Rick Neilsen
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 2:16 AM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com> wrote:
> And if I may add to John's request, if you want to give a builder an atta
> boy, or signify your agreement with someone else's technical answer or
> anything that doesn't add some knowledge to the forum archives, please,
> PLEASE, put do not archive below your signature. This isn't my request,
> this is Matt's, it's in the user agreement we all sign to be members of
> this forum. The reason for not saving every last comment is simple, Matt's
> servers have a limited capacity. Go ahead and make whatever comment you
> think appropriate, but if it doesn't add to the technical database just add
> those three little words to your comment.
>
> Rick Girard
> do not archive
>
> On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 10:19 PM, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm certainly not the "procedure police", but I am and have
>> been a member of the Kolb Builder and Flyers List for many
>> years.
>>
>> I speak for myself and no one else.
>>
>> The best way to kill a good Kolb List is to ignore the
>> posted guidelines, turning a List for serious builders and
>> flyers of Kolb aircraft into a chat room. It is then no
>> longer the Kolb List.
>>
>> Please have some respect for those of us that are "real"
>> Kolb enthusiast. Some of you seem to do you damnedest to
>> ruin our List.
>>
>> If you want to share subjects not Kolb related, take them
>> somewhere else. Start a bull shit list for bull shit
>> subjects.
>>
>> There are times traffic on the Kolb List is slow and
>> nonexistent. That does not mean the List is dead. When
>> someone has a problem or wants to share something Kolb, they
>> will, and the conversations begin on that subject.
>>
>> Please do not destroy our Kolb List.
>>
>> john h
>> Kolb MKIII, N101AB
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>> Patrick Ladd
>> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 10:38 AM
>> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: legs
>>
>> <patrickjladd@hotmail.com>
>>
>> Come on you guys, there would seem to be some great stories
>> out there. Lets have `em. Let the procedure police stew for
>> while. Pat
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Brad Nation
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 4:04 AM
>> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: legs
>>
>> <nationcap@comcast.net>
>>
>> Does an hour back seat ride in an A-7 with an emergency
>> landing or taxi ride in a B-57G count?
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> Brad
>>
>> > On Aug 10, 2015, at 09:37, Tom O'Hara
>> <tohara@alphagraphics.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > --> <tohara@alphagraphics.com>
>> >
>> > Okay, are we comparing who paid what for how many hours in
>> what type
>> > of aircraft? If so..... crossed the Alps in hot air.
>> Left Murren,
>> > flew
>> > 5.75 hours, up to 19,500 ft. Dropper to 10' and flew the
>> Eiger glacier.
>> > Landed north of Lugano and could see all the way down the
>> Italian boot.
>> > At one point had a Swiss Air 747 doing a turn around us.
>> Best day of
>> > my
>> > life---- with my pants on. Cost about $2200USD. That
>> included meals
>> > and a hotel for the night before. Lifted off with 120
>> gallons of
>> > propane and landed with less than 10--phew.
>> >
>> > Still love my Kolb!! Just think the Kolb is about 10x
>> faster!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Read this topic online here:
>> >
>> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=445771#445771
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> =
>> Photoshare, and much much more:
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>> =
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> -Andre Gide
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Herb,
You are correct about putting the first layer of tape exactly on the line
you want. Then tape the paper down to the first tape with another layer of
tape. I know this takes twice as much tape but it is worth it just in the
ease of application. You can actually use plain old brown masking tape for
this and save a little $$. Usually I put all the first tape down before I
start putting the tape/paper down. That way you can stand back and "eyeball"
your work to see if it matches what you were planning. Sometimes tape gets
applied to the wrong side of the "line" and it is really hard to see that if
you have the masking paper in place.
Looking at the first run of tape also helps identify any less than straight
areas. Much easier to lift and adjust a single line of tape than the whole
masked up edge.
I found the local big box hardware store had brown masking paper in rolls up
to 12" wide. The local NAPA store had wider stock. I did not try newspapers
as there are lots of recommendations against that. Hopefully you won't have
any problems. Putting two or three layers of newspaper in the first 12" away
from the trim line would help absorb any overspray that may be heavier in
that area.
Last piece of advice. Run your fingernail over all the tape where it
contacts the fabric just before you spray. That way there is nice fresh
tight contact between the tape and the fabric. This will help prevent the
new paint from creeping under the tape. Don't worry about the blue tape
sticking to the previous paint. As long as it has had a day or two to dry,
the blue tape will peel off nicely and not leave any residue. It can be
removed as soon as the paint on the tape is dry to the touch.
Best of luck and post pictures when you get'er done!
Stuart
<snip>
I bought the standard, recommended 3M blue tape..and gathered up as much
news paper that I might need... I was warned about the type of newspaper
that has the small holes in it...
I can see laying down the first line of blue tape then overlaying that
with another line of tape which includes the blocking paper....
need all the help that I can get... Herb in Ky
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Does this really work?
Whenever I pull up a past thread using the search function there are lots of
posts in that thread that have the "do not archive" listed but yet, there
they are.
Does the "do not archive" only apply to the original post and not to any
replies it may generate?
Just curious,
Stuart
P.S. Just for kicks and giggles:
Do not archive
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Subject: | Re: Painting trim |
Stuart
I suspect that the print on the newspaper will bleed with the acetone
and mek that is in the paint? Think I will buy some brown paper at one
of the auto or hardware stores...Herb
ps thanks for the procedure...Think I am good to go on the
fuselage..will paint the wing leading edge outside...:-)
On 08/19/2015 10:23 AM, Stuart Harner wrote:
>
> Herb,
>
> You are correct about putting the first layer of tape exactly on the line
> you want. Then tape the paper down to the first tape with another layer of
> tape. I know this takes twice as much tape but it is worth it just in the
> ease of application. You can actually use plain old brown masking tape for
> this and save a little $$. Usually I put all the first tape down before I
> start putting the tape/paper down. That way you can stand back and "eyeball"
> your work to see if it matches what you were planning. Sometimes tape gets
> applied to the wrong side of the "line" and it is really hard to see that if
> you have the masking paper in place.
>
> Looking at the first run of tape also helps identify any less than straight
> areas. Much easier to lift and adjust a single line of tape than the whole
> masked up edge.
>
> I found the local big box hardware store had brown masking paper in rolls up
> to 12" wide. The local NAPA store had wider stock. I did not try newspapers
> as there are lots of recommendations against that. Hopefully you won't have
> any problems. Putting two or three layers of newspaper in the first 12" away
> from the trim line would help absorb any overspray that may be heavier in
> that area.
>
> Last piece of advice. Run your fingernail over all the tape where it
> contacts the fabric just before you spray. That way there is nice fresh
> tight contact between the tape and the fabric. This will help prevent the
> new paint from creeping under the tape. Don't worry about the blue tape
> sticking to the previous paint. As long as it has had a day or two to dry,
> the blue tape will peel off nicely and not leave any residue. It can be
> removed as soon as the paint on the tape is dry to the touch.
>
> Best of luck and post pictures when you get'er done!
>
> Stuart
>
>
> <snip>
> I bought the standard, recommended 3M blue tape..and gathered up as much
> news paper that I might need... I was warned about the type of newspaper
> that has the small holes in it...
>
> I can see laying down the first line of blue tape then overlaying that
> with another line of tape which includes the blocking paper....
> need all the help that I can get... Herb in Ky
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Painting trim |
Test masking tape for paint bleed under the edges before you put it all over
your Kolb. Blue painter's tape is low stick and has a better edge.
You can buy blue tape with paper already applied to it. It costs more but is
worth the lower effort. Taping paper is like hanging wallpaper by yourself.
It's not pretty.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Herb" <Herbgh@nctc.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Painting trim
>
> Stuart
>
> I suspect that the print on the newspaper will bleed with the acetone
> and mek that is in the paint? Think I will buy some brown paper at one of
> the auto or hardware stores...Herb
>
> ps thanks for the procedure...Think I am good to go on the fuselage..will
> paint the wing leading edge outside...:-)
>
> On 08/19/2015 10:23 AM, Stuart Harner wrote:
>>
>> Herb,
>>
>> You are correct about putting the first layer of tape exactly on the line
>> you want. Then tape the paper down to the first tape with another layer
>> of
>> tape. I know this takes twice as much tape but it is worth it just in the
>> ease of application. You can actually use plain old brown masking tape
>> for
>> this and save a little $$. Usually I put all the first tape down before I
>> start putting the tape/paper down. That way you can stand back and
>> "eyeball"
>> your work to see if it matches what you were planning. Sometimes tape
>> gets
>> applied to the wrong side of the "line" and it is really hard to see that
>> if
>> you have the masking paper in place.
>>
>> Looking at the first run of tape also helps identify any less than
>> straight
>> areas. Much easier to lift and adjust a single line of tape than the
>> whole
>> masked up edge.
>>
>> I found the local big box hardware store had brown masking paper in rolls
>> up
>> to 12" wide. The local NAPA store had wider stock. I did not try
>> newspapers
>> as there are lots of recommendations against that. Hopefully you won't
>> have
>> any problems. Putting two or three layers of newspaper in the first 12"
>> away
>> from the trim line would help absorb any overspray that may be heavier in
>> that area.
>>
>> Last piece of advice. Run your fingernail over all the tape where it
>> contacts the fabric just before you spray. That way there is nice fresh
>> tight contact between the tape and the fabric. This will help prevent the
>> new paint from creeping under the tape. Don't worry about the blue tape
>> sticking to the previous paint. As long as it has had a day or two to
>> dry,
>> the blue tape will peel off nicely and not leave any residue. It can be
>> removed as soon as the paint on the tape is dry to the touch.
>>
>> Best of luck and post pictures when you get'er done!
>>
>> Stuart
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <snip>
>> I bought the standard, recommended 3M blue tape..and gathered up as
>> much
>> news paper that I might need... I was warned about the type of newspaper
>> that has the small holes in it...
>>
>> I can see laying down the first line of blue tape then overlaying
>> that
>> with another line of tape which includes the blocking paper....
>> need all the help that I can get... Herb in Ky
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Edit Subject Line |
You have my vote
Boyd
Do not archive
On Aug 19, 2015 9:05 AM, "Rick Neilsen" <neilsenrm@gmail.com> wrote:
> On occasion I don't see a problem with new discussions that aren't
> entirely Kolb. What I do have a problem with is the continued use of the
> subject line when it turns else where. If you change to a new
> subject/discussion please change the subject line. And yes please use "do
> not archive" where appropriate.
>
> Another issue is religious sayings one member feels he needs to always
> post in his signature line. I have politely asked him to quit adding these
> things. Long ugly story but he has refused. I started adding contrary
> quotes to my posts but felt I had descended to his level so I quit doing
> it. Shouldn't we keep our Kolb list free of this sort of thing also?
>
> Do not archive
>
> Rick Neilsen
>
> On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 2:16 AM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> And if I may add to John's request, if you want to give a builder an atta
>> boy, or signify your agreement with someone else's technical answer or
>> anything that doesn't add some knowledge to the forum archives, please,
>> PLEASE, put do not archive below your signature. This isn't my request,
>> this is Matt's, it's in the user agreement we all sign to be members of
>> this forum. The reason for not saving every last comment is simple, Matt's
>> servers have a limited capacity. Go ahead and make whatever comment you
>> think appropriate, but if it doesn't add to the technical database just add
>> those three little words to your comment.
>>
>> Rick Girard
>> do not archive
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 10:19 PM, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I'm certainly not the "procedure police", but I am and have
>>> been a member of the Kolb Builder and Flyers List for many
>>> years.
>>>
>>> I speak for myself and no one else.
>>>
>>> The best way to kill a good Kolb List is to ignore the
>>> posted guidelines, turning a List for serious builders and
>>> flyers of Kolb aircraft into a chat room. It is then no
>>> longer the Kolb List.
>>>
>>> Please have some respect for those of us that are "real"
>>> Kolb enthusiast. Some of you seem to do you damnedest to
>>> ruin our List.
>>>
>>> If you want to share subjects not Kolb related, take them
>>> somewhere else. Start a bull shit list for bull shit
>>> subjects.
>>>
>>> There are times traffic on the Kolb List is slow and
>>> nonexistent. That does not mean the List is dead. When
>>> someone has a problem or wants to share something Kolb, they
>>> will, and the conversations begin on that subject.
>>>
>>> Please do not destroy our Kolb List.
>>>
>>> john h
>>> Kolb MKIII, N101AB
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>>> Patrick Ladd
>>> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 10:38 AM
>>> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: legs
>>>
>>> <patrickjladd@hotmail.com>
>>>
>>> Come on you guys, there would seem to be some great stories
>>> out there. Lets have `em. Let the procedure police stew for
>>> while. Pat
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Brad Nation
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 4:04 AM
>>> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: legs
>>>
>>> <nationcap@comcast.net>
>>>
>>> Does an hour back seat ride in an A-7 with an emergency
>>> landing or taxi ride in a B-57G count?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> Brad
>>>
>>> > On Aug 10, 2015, at 09:37, Tom O'Hara
>>> <tohara@alphagraphics.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > --> <tohara@alphagraphics.com>
>>> >
>>> > Okay, are we comparing who paid what for how many hours in
>>> what type
>>> > of aircraft? If so..... crossed the Alps in hot air.
>>> Left Murren,
>>> > flew
>>> > 5.75 hours, up to 19,500 ft. Dropper to 10' and flew the
>>> Eiger glacier.
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Subject: | Re: Painting trim |
Painters
I agree with the advice about not using newspaper. Dont be stingy! - good paper
is worth it.
And I havent heard mentioned that by far the easier way to paint is to paint the
trim FIRST; then mask it off & spray the rest of the plane. MUCH less area to
mask off. And good luck.
Fair winds, Russ K
do not archive
> On Aug 19, 2015, at 12:41 PM, Herb <Herbgh@nctc.com> wrote:
>
>
> Stuart
>
> I suspect that the print on the newspaper will bleed with the acetone and mek
that is in the paint? Think I will buy some brown paper at one of the auto
or hardware stores...Herb
>
> ps thanks for the procedure...Think I am good to go on the fuselage..will paint
the wing leading edge outside...:-)
>
> On 08/19/2015 10:23 AM, Stuart Harner wrote:
>>
>> Herb,
>>
>> You are correct about putting the first layer of tape exactly on the line
>> you want. Then tape the paper down to the first tape with another layer of
>> tape. I know this takes twice as much tape but it is worth it just in the
>> ease of application. You can actually use plain old brown masking tape for
>> this and save a little $$. Usually I put all the first tape down before I
>> start putting the tape/paper down. That way you can stand back and "eyeball"
>> your work to see if it matches what you were planning. Sometimes tape gets
>> applied to the wrong side of the "line" and it is really hard to see that if
>> you have the masking paper in place.
>>
>> Looking at the first run of tape also helps identify any less than straight
>> areas. Much easier to lift and adjust a single line of tape than the whole
>> masked up edge.
>>
>> I found the local big box hardware store had brown masking paper in rolls up
>> to 12" wide. The local NAPA store had wider stock. I did not try newspapers
>> as there are lots of recommendations against that. Hopefully you won't have
>> any problems. Putting two or three layers of newspaper in the first 12" away
>> from the trim line would help absorb any overspray that may be heavier in
>> that area.
>>
>> Last piece of advice. Run your fingernail over all the tape where it
>> contacts the fabric just before you spray. That way there is nice fresh
>> tight contact between the tape and the fabric. This will help prevent the
>> new paint from creeping under the tape. Don't worry about the blue tape
>> sticking to the previous paint. As long as it has had a day or two to dry,
>> the blue tape will peel off nicely and not leave any residue. It can be
>> removed as soon as the paint on the tape is dry to the touch.
>>
>> Best of luck and post pictures when you get'er done!
>>
>> Stuart
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <snip>
>> I bought the standard, recommended 3M blue tape..and gathered up as much
>> news paper that I might need... I was warned about the type of newspaper
>> that has the small holes in it...
>>
>> I can see laying down the first line of blue tape then overlaying that
>> with another line of tape which includes the blocking paper....
>> need all the help that I can get... Herb in Ky
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Like Russ said get a good paper=2C it's worth it and less head aches. Depen
ding on the style and amount=2C I painted the plane first. I found that aft
er taping off the area to be trimmed I would use a a spray can of clear and
sprayed the tape to stop any paint leaking under the tape onto the other p
aint.
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Painting trim
> From: russk50@gmail.com
> Date: Wed=2C 19 Aug 2015 17:59:28 -0400
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>
>
> Painters
> I agree with the advice about not using newspaper. Don=92t be stingy! - g
ood paper is worth it.
> And I haven=92t heard mentioned that by far the easier way to paint is to
paint the trim FIRST=3B then mask it off & spray the rest of the plane. MU
CH less area to mask off. And good luck.
> Fair winds=2C Russ K
> do not archive
>
> > On Aug 19=2C 2015=2C at 12:41 PM=2C Herb <Herbgh@nctc.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Stuart
> >
> > I suspect that the print on the newspaper will bleed with the acetone
and mek that is in the paint? Think I will buy some brown paper at one of
the auto or hardware stores...Herb
> >
> > ps thanks for the procedure...Think I am good to go on the fuselage..wi
ll paint the wing leading edge outside...:-)
> >
> > On 08/19/2015 10:23 AM=2C Stuart Harner wrote:
t>
> >>
> >> Herb=2C
> >>
> >> You are correct about putting the first layer of tape exactly on the l
ine
> >> you want. Then tape the paper down to the first tape with another laye
r of
> >> tape. I know this takes twice as much tape but it is worth it just in
the
> >> ease of application. You can actually use plain old brown masking tap
e for
> >> this and save a little $$. Usually I put all the first tape down befor
e I
> >> start putting the tape/paper down. That way you can stand back and "ey
eball"
> >> your work to see if it matches what you were planning. Sometimes tape
gets
> >> applied to the wrong side of the "line" and it is really hard to see t
hat if
> >> you have the masking paper in place.
> >>
> >> Looking at the first run of tape also helps identify any less than str
aight
> >> areas. Much easier to lift and adjust a single line of tape than the w
hole
> >> masked up edge.
> >>
> >> I found the local big box hardware store had brown masking paper in ro
lls up
> >> to 12" wide. The local NAPA store had wider stock. I did not try newsp
apers
> >> as there are lots of recommendations against that. Hopefully you won't
have
> >> any problems. Putting two or three layers of newspaper in the first 12
" away
> >> from the trim line would help absorb any overspray that may be heavier
in
> >> that area.
> >>
> >> Last piece of advice. Run your fingernail over all the tape where it
> >> contacts the fabric just before you spray. That way there is nice fres
h
> >> tight contact between the tape and the fabric. This will help prevent
the
> >> new paint from creeping under the tape. Don't worry about the blue tap
e
> >> sticking to the previous paint. As long as it has had a day or two to
dry=2C
> >> the blue tape will peel off nicely and not leave any residue. It can b
e
> >> removed as soon as the paint on the tape is dry to the touch.
> >>
> >> Best of luck and post pictures when you get'er done!
> >>
> >> Stuart
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> <snip>
> >> I bought the standard=2C recommended 3M blue tape..and gathered up a
s much
> >> news paper that I might need... I was warned about the type of newspap
er
> >> that has the small holes in it...
> >>
> >> I can see laying down the first line of blue tape then overlaying t
hat
> >> with another line of tape which includes the blocking paper....
> >> need all the help that I can get... Herb in Ky
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Edit Subject Line |
neilsenrm(at)gmail.com wrote:
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>
>
> Another issue is religious sayings one member feels he needs to always post in
his signature line. I have politely asked him to quit adding these things. Long
ugly story but he has refused. I started adding contrary quotes to my posts
but felt I had descended to his level so I quit doing it. Shouldn't we keep
our Kolb list free of this sort of thing also?
>
> Do not archive
>
> Rick Neilsen --
Sorry you thought it was ugly, I thought that for me, I did pretty good for a change.
Bottom line; we don't see eye to eye. Sorry.
So I will let an atheist explain it for me. This is why my signature is what it
is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6md638smQd8
Shalom.
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, 'Thy will be done,' and those
to whom God says, 'All right, then, have it your way.'
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