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2. 05:11 AM - Re: Painting trim (Denny Baber)
3. 06:27 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 08/20/15 (Michael Velemirov)
4. 10:27 AM - Re: Edit Subject Line (henry.voris)
5. 04:51 PM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 08/20/15 (Tim Hrib)
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7. 06:40 PM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 08/20/15 (George Alexander)
8. 07:09 PM - Re: Re: Edit Subject Line (Herb)
9. 10:46 PM - Re: Procedure police (Brad Nation)
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Herb,
To run a long straight line, try using some dental floss. Tape it down
securely at one end and then pull it tight and tape it on the other end.
Or depending on where it is you may be able to just hang a weight on it
to keep it tight.
Now go along the line every few inches and make a real light pencil
mark. Now you have a guide and only have to tape from mark to mark.
Try lightly sticking down only the edge you are trying to create that
way it is easy to pick up and reposition if needed.
I have watched guys who are pros stick down one end and then pull the
tape all the way to the other end. Hold it straight and then lay it down
and it was perfect. Since I couldn=99t duplicate their skills, I
had to find a way to cheat!
There is nothing that says it has to be all one piece of tape either.
Work in short(er) sections if that helps you out.
Best of luck,
Stuart
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herb
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2015 9:09 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Painting trim
I bought the blue tape and gave it a try this evening...for the life of
me could not run a straight line across the top of the wing...!! Gave
up and put the puppy back in the garage...Think I will prevail on a
buddy who painted F4's for McDonald Douglas back in St Louis...Quite a
step down and I know he will have his nose in the air...but he owes me
one...:-) Herb
On 08/20/2015 05:10 PM, GARY JINDRA wrote:
They sell fine line tape for painting at the auto parts. It is very thin
is plastic so it can be stretched to make curves. It has smooth edges
that will not leave rough paint lines. You put it on first to get lines
or designs then use blue painters tape on it. Spend the money to use
good tape and paper if you want the best paint job you can do.
Gary Jindra
Mark 3c 912 ul
380 hours
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From: Herb <mailto:Herbgh@nctc.com> <Herbgh@nctc.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Painting trim
Stuart
I suspect that the print on the newspaper will bleed with the acetone
and mek that is in the paint? Think I will buy some brown paper at one
of the auto or hardware stores...Herb
ps thanks for the procedure...Think I am good to go on the
fuselage..will paint the wing leading edge outside...:-)
On 08/19/2015 10:23 AM, Stuart Harner wrote:
<stuart@harnerfarm.net>
>
> Herb,
>
> You are correct about putting the first layer of tape exactly on the
line
> you want. Then tape the paper down to the first tape with another
layer of
> tape. I know this takes twice as much tape but it is worth it just in
the
> ease of application. You can actually use plain old brown masking
tape for
> this and save a little $$. Usually I put all the first tape down
before I
> start putting the tape/paper down. That way you can stand back and
"eyeball"
> your work to see if it matches what you were planning. Sometimes tape
gets
> applied to the wrong side of the "line" and it is really hard to see
that if
> you have the masking paper in place.
>
> Looking at the first run of tape also helps identify any less than
straight
> areas. Much easier to lift and adjust a single line of tape than the
whole
> masked up edge.
>
> I found the local big box hardware store had brown masking paper in
rolls up
> to 12" wide. The local NAPA store had wider stock. I did not try
newspapers
> as there are lots of recommendations against that. Hopefully you won't
have
> any problems. Putting two or three layers of newspaper in the first
12" away
> from the trim line would help absorb any overspray that may be heavier
in
> that area.
>
> Last piece of advice. Run your fingernail over all the tape where it
> contacts the fabric just before you spray. That way there is nice
fresh
> tight contact between the tape and the fabric. This will help prevent
the
> new paint from creeping under the tape. Don't worry about the blue
tape
> sticking to the previous paint. As long as it has had a day or two to
dry,
> the blue tape will peel off nicely and not leave any residue. It can
be
> removed as soon as the paint on the tape is dry to the touch.
>
> Best of luck and post pictures when you get'er done!
>
> Stuart
>
>
> <snip>
> I bought the standard, recommended 3M blue tape..and gathered up as
much
> news paper that I might need... I was warned about the type of
newspaper
> that has the small holes in it...
>
> I can see laying down the first line of blue tape then overlaying
that
> with another line of tape which includes the blocking paper....
> need all the help that I can get...
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A friend of mine is a painter and he told me that if after you put the tape
on, spray the edge with hair spray, or paint the tape with the color
underneath the tape. Either one makes a really nice line when the tape is
removed.
Respectfully,
Dennis Baber
(305) 814-7218
baberdk@gmail.com
"I can't stand intolerance !!"
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Please drop me from the list. I no longer have a Kolb.
thank you
Michael velemirov
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1. 08:35 AM - Re: Edit Subject Line (Jason Omelchuck)
2. 08:53 AM - Re: Re: Edit Subject Line (Herb)
3. 09:26 AM - Re: do not archive (Airknocker)
4. 09:41 AM - Re: do not archive (Matt Dralle)
5. 02:47 PM - Re: Re: do not archive (Stuart Harner)
6. 03:10 PM - Re: Painting trim (GARY JINDRA)
7. 05:55 PM - Re: Edit Subject Line (Richard Pike)
8. 06:07 PM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 08/18/15 (Ed Hase)
9. 07:12 PM - Re: Painting trim (Herb)
10. 07:15 PM - Re: legs (Flylawnchairs)
________________________________ Message 1
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Time: 08:35:25 AM PST US
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Edit Subject Line
From: "Jason Omelchuck" <jason@trek-tech.com>
Richard P.
If you believe this tag line
"There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, 'Thy will be done,'
and
those to whom God says, 'All right, then, have it your way.'"
Is kind, generous and loving I believe you have a ways to go to be like the
gentleman
in the video.
FWIW
Jason
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446189#446189
________________________________ Message 2
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Time: 08:53:19 AM PST US
From: Herb <Herbgh@nctc.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Edit Subject Line
I have met Brother Pike...a fine gentleman! Instantly likeable....
Richard is tops in my book for contributing unselfishly to the
list... I have learned a lot reading his post...
Finally...when Richard and millions like him...are gone,,,what then ?
My byline if I could figure how to do it...would be " The most
dangerous man in America; Any honest man with principle"!! Herb
Little more Tolerance would not hurt...
On 08/20/2015 10:34 AM, Jason Omelchuck wrote:
>
> Richard P.
>
> If you believe this tag line
>
> "There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, 'Thy will be
> done,' and
those to whom God says, 'All right, then, have it your way.'"
>
> Is kind, generous and loving I believe you have a ways to go to be like
> the gentleman
in the video.
>
> FWIW
> Jason
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446189#446189
>
>
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Time: 09:26:22 AM PST US
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: do not archive
From: "Airknocker" <airknocker@harnerfarm.net>
FYI a search on the word "archive" just pulled this post up.
I guess all those who type "do not archive" are just wasting electrons.
[Wink]
--------
"I don't care, I'm still free. You can't take the sky from me" -
Josh
Wedon
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Time: 09:41:43 AM PST US
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: do not archive
From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle@matronics.com>
The Do Not Archive flag only applies to the Email distribution of the List
form
data, namely the historic List data you would find here:
http://www.matronics.com/archives
It doesn't really apply to the Forums version of the Lists because the data
on
the Forums isn't really "archived" per say.
Matt Dralle
Matronics List Admin
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Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Time: 02:47:03 PM PST US
From: "Stuart Harner" <stuart@harnerfarm.net>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: do not archive
Matt,
Inside baseball curiosity here.
So there are two databases of messages?
The forum database that is complete and gets searched by the search
function, then the archive database that is the truncated (missing the "do
not archive" messages)?
With all the forums you host there must be multiple servers with raid arrays
I am guessing?
Stuart
IT guy in a past life.
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2015 11:41 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: do not archive
The Do Not Archive flag only applies to the Email distribution of the List
form data, namely the historic List data you would find here:
http://www.matronics.com/archives
It doesn't really apply to the Forums version of the Lists because the data
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Time: 03:10:53 PM PST US
From: GARY JINDRA <gajindra@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Painting trim
=C2-They sell fine line tape for painting at the auto parts. It is very t
hin is plastic so it can be stretched to make curves. It has smooth edges t
hat will not leave rough paint lines. You put it on first to get lines or d
esigns then use blue painters tape on it. Spend the money to use good tape
and paper if you want the best paint job you can do.=C2-Gary Jindra=C2-
=C2-=C2-
Mark 3c 912 ul380 hours
From: Herb <Herbgh@nctc.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Painting trim
Stuart
=C2- I suspect that the print on the newspaper will bleed with the aceton
e
and mek that is in the paint?=C2- Think I will buy some brown paper at on
e
of the auto or hardware stores...Herb
ps thanks for the procedure...Think I am good to go on the
fuselage..will paint the wing leading edge outside...:-)
On 08/19/2015 10:23 AM, Stuart Harner wrote:
>
> Herb,
>
> You are correct about putting the first layer of tape exactly on the line
> you want. Then tape the paper down to the first tape with another layer o
f
> tape. I know this takes twice as much tape but it is worth it just in the
> ease of application.=C2- You can actually use plain old brown masking t
ape for
> this and save a little $$. Usually I put all the first tape down before I
> start putting the tape/paper down. That way you can stand back and "eyeba
ll"
> your work to see if it matches what you were planning. Sometimes tape get
s
> applied to the wrong side of the "line" and it is really hard to see that
if
> you have the masking paper in place.
>
> Looking at the first run of tape also helps identify any less than straig
ht
> areas. Much easier to lift and adjust a single line of tape than the whol
e
> masked up edge.
>
> I found the local big box hardware store had brown masking paper in rolls
up
> to 12" wide. The local NAPA store had wider stock. I did not try newspape
rs
> as there are lots of recommendations against that. Hopefully you won't ha
ve
> any problems. Putting two or three layers of newspaper in the first 12" a
way
> from the trim line would help absorb any overspray that may be heavier in
> that area.
>
> Last piece of advice. Run your fingernail over all the tape where it
> contacts the fabric just before you spray. That way there is nice fresh
> tight contact between the tape and the fabric. This will help prevent the
> new paint from creeping under the tape. Don't worry about the blue tape
> sticking to the previous paint. As long as it has had a day or two to dry
,
> the blue tape will peel off nicely and not leave any residue. It can be
> removed as soon as the paint on the tape is dry to the touch.
>
> Best of luck and post pictures when you get'er done!
>
> Stuart
>
>
> <snip>
>=C2- =C2- I bought the standard, recommended 3M blue tape..and gathere
d up as much
> news paper that I might need... I was warned about the type of newspaper
> that has the small holes in it...
>
>=C2- =C2- I can see laying down the first line of blue tape then overl
aying that
> with another line of tape which includes the blocking paper....
> need all the help that I can get...=C2- Herb in Ky
>
>
S -
-
=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
________________________________ Message 7
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Time: 05:55:12 PM PST US
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Edit Subject Line
From: "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron@charter.net>
Jason Omelchuck wrote:
> Richard P.
>
> If you believe this tag line
>
> "There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, 'Thy will be done,'
> and
those to whom God says, 'All right, then, have it your way.'"
>
> Is kind, generous and loving I believe you have a ways to go to be like
> the gentleman
in the video.
>
> FWIW
> Jason
I have a long ways to go to be like any number of gentlemen. Just a sinner
saved
by grace. Never claimed to be any more than that. Definitely a work in
progress,
and not always doing all that well.
So how's it going with you?
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Would you consider yourself to be a good person?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWcDXT6pH7A
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Time: 06:07:57 PM PST US
From: Ed Hase <ehase@charter.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 08/18/15
Please remove me
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> 1. 07:55 PM - Re: Re: Primer Bulb (John Hauck)
> 2. 08:21 PM - Re: Primer Bulb (Richard Pike)
> 3. 08:23 PM - Re: Re: legs (John Hauck)
> 4. 08:45 PM - Re: Re: Primer Bulb (John Hauck)
> 5. 10:08 PM - fly safe...use a rubber...hose that is!! (Herb)
> 6. 11:17 PM - Re: Re: legs (Richard Girard)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:55:52 PM PST US
> From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Primer Bulb
>
>
> I've used Gates neoprene fuel like for all three of my Kolbs
> over a 30+ year span. Found out early on plastic line is a
> failure waiting to happen. First failure was the fuel pump
> pulse line. Fortunately I found it on the ground.
>
> I use straight neoprene fuel line for all fuel deliver,
> drains, and vent tubes. Adding aluminum lines to replace
> sections of neoprene is probably ok, but adds a lot of
> additional connections, usually where a possible failure
> could occur.
>
> Keep it simple.
>
> john h
> JBER, Anchorage, Alaska
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Richard Pike
> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 5:19 AM
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Primer Bulb
>
> --> <thegreybaron@charter.net>
>
> Hate to be the duty curmudgeon, but I had a couple problems
> with Heavenbound Aviation's guide.
> One is that he pictures a fuel filter with a paper filtering
> element. Will that still allow gas to flow through it if it
> gets a dose of water?
>
> If you use a good quality filter in your tank, then you can
> use an inline bronze filter in a transparent case with out
> any worries. The best tank filter/pickup is a replacement
> for the ones that go on in-tank car fuel pumps, they are
> fine mesh nylon, very large with lots of surface area, and
> pretty cheap.
>
> His description and pictures of using safety wire as a fuel
> line clamp is simply wrong. He uses one wrap and a straight
> twist. One wrap fails to secure part of one side, and a
> straight end is a good way to jab yourself and bleed all
> over your airplane every time you get near your fuel system.
> Double wrap and bend the end over like in the attached
> photo. (found that old filter & line in the scrap bin)
>
> Finally, I suggest never using blue urethane line for
> anything, period. Soft aluminum fuel line from Aircraft
> Spruce is cheaper and lasts forever if properly installed.
> Blue urethane can look good and feel soft, and break without
> warning. (Guess how I know this?) Good grade NAPA fuel line
> will still look good on the outside after many years and
> does not deteriorate, I use that where the aluminum line
> ends to connect to the carbs, fuel pump, etc.
>
> Worth what ya paid for it.
>
> --------
> Richard Pike
> Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> Kingsport, TN 3TN0
> There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, 'Thy
> will be done,' and those to whom God says, 'All right, then,
> have it your way.'
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446069#446069
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1040718_small_157.jpg
>
>
> Photoshare, and much much more:
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:21:07 PM PST US
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Primer Bulb
> From: "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron@charter.net>
>
>
> John Hauck wrote:
>>
>> Adding aluminum lines to replace sections of neoprene is probably ok, but
>> adds
> a lot of additional connections, usually where a possible failure
>> could occur.
>>
>> Keep it simple.
>>
>> john h
>> JBER, Anchorage, Alaska
>>
>> --
>
> I guess if I had 100 hp on my MKIII I wouldn't care about hauling around
> extra
> ounces either, but since neoprene is heavier than aluminum fuel line, and
> I only
> have 65 hp to work with, I will use the good/light stuff and insure due
> diligence
> at my connections.
>
> Clear skies and tailwinds to you Bro.
>
> --------
> Richard Pike
> Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> Kingsport, TN 3TN0
> There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, 'Thy will be done,'
> and
those
> to whom God says, 'All right, then, have it your way.'
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446130#446130
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:23:15 PM PST US
> From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: legs
>
>
> I'm certainly not the "procedure police", but I am and have
> been a member of the Kolb Builder and Flyers List for many
> years.
>
> I speak for myself and no one else.
>
> The best way to kill a good Kolb List is to ignore the
> posted guidelines, turning a List for serious builders and
> flyers of Kolb aircraft into a chat room. It is then no
> longer the Kolb List.
>
> Please have some respect for those of us that are "real"
> Kolb enthusiast. Some of you seem to do you damnedest to
> ruin our List.
>
> If you want to share subjects not Kolb related, take them
> somewhere else. Start a bull shit list for bull shit
> subjects.
>
> There are times traffic on the Kolb List is slow and
> nonexistent. That does not mean the List is dead. When
> someone has a problem or wants to share something Kolb, they
> will, and the conversations begin on that subject.
>
> Please do not destroy our Kolb List.
>
> john h
> Kolb MKIII, N101AB
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Patrick Ladd
> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 10:38 AM
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: legs
>
> <patrickjladd@hotmail.com>
>
> Come on you guys, there would seem to be some great stories
> out there. Lets have `em. Let the procedure police stew for
> while. Pat
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brad Nation
> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 4:04 AM
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: legs
>
> <nationcap@comcast.net>
>
> Does an hour back seat ride in an A-7 with an emergency
> landing or taxi ride in a B-57G count?
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> Brad
>
>> On Aug 10, 2015, at 09:37, Tom O'Hara
> <tohara@alphagraphics.com> wrote:
>> --> <tohara@alphagraphics.com>
>>
>> Okay, are we comparing who paid what for how many hours in
> what type
>> of aircraft? If so..... crossed the Alps in hot air.
> Left Murren,
>> flew
>> 5.75 hours, up to 19,500 ft. Dropper to 10' and flew the
> Eiger glacier.
>> Landed north of Lugano and could see all the way down the
> Italian boot.
>> At one point had a Swiss Air 747 doing a turn around us.
> Best day of
>> my
>> life---- with my pants on. Cost about $2200USD. That
> included meals
>> and a hotel for the night before. Lifted off with 120
> gallons of
>> propane and landed with less than 10--phew.
>>
>> Still love my Kolb!! Just think the Kolb is about 10x
> faster!
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=445771#445771
>>
>>
>
>
> Photoshare, and much much more:
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:45:26 PM PST US
> From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Primer Bulb
>
>
> Brother Pike:
>
> I have no doubt you will make the very best fuel line
> connections possible, no matter how many there are.
>
> I can assure you my 65 hp MKIII flew quite well with
> neoprene fuel line. Most folks know I build heavy
> airplanes, haul 25 gallons of fuel, and 100 or more pounds
> of gear when I go flying. I didn't encounter any problem
> flying to Lakeland, FL, Homer Kolb's house, and Oshkosh
> hauling all that load with 65 hp.
>
> I doubt very seriously you or your 65 hp MKIII would ever
> notice the difference in a few extra ounces.
>
> john h
> mkIII powered with 65, 80, and 100 (95 useable) HP engines.
> JBER, Anchorage, Alaska
>
> I guess if I had 100 hp on my MKIII I wouldn't care about
> hauling around extra ounces either, but since neoprene is
> heavier than aluminum fuel line, and I only have 65 hp to
> work with, I will use the good/light stuff and insure due
> diligence at my connections.
>
> Clear skies and tailwinds to you Bro.
>
> --------
> Richard Pike
> Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> Kingsport, TN 3TN0
> There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, 'Thy
> will be done,' and those to whom God says, 'All right, then,
> have it your way.'
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446130#446130
>
>
> Photoshare, and much much more:
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 5
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 10:08:16 PM PST US
> From: Herb <Herbgh@nctc.com>
> Subject: Kolb-List: fly safe...use a rubber...hose that is!!
>
>
> Pore ole Herb....I go into the auto parts store and ask for Gates fuel
> line...Most sell that particular brand...Neoprene seems to refer to the
> outside cover.. Three layers... good for 10% corn elixir... That what
> you buy..John?
>
> Wonder if Beauford gets his corn through a straw or gates hose?? :-)
>
> For all of those on the edge of their seats :-) ,,,,Just about
> ready to commit to the air...got caught in that 90% done 90% to go
> syndrome...and to be honest lots of things to do on my 35 acres... The
> Firefly is looking pretty good... Full enclosure is done...
>
> Wondering if the two blade 60 inch Warp Drive prop is going to be
> enough...? As I said before...I will trade a three blade,
> medium(503,582) Ivo for a three blade UL version... I like the
> smoothness of the IVO ..
>
> And....all my previous builds were completely done in Insignia
> White....so I have no experience in taping and trim painting....I want
> to do the Bryan Milborn standard paint job...quite similar to half of
> the Kolbs that are for sale on Barnstormers....The previous owner had
> painted the tail feathers in a trim scheme that looks close to Factory..
>
> Interesting that a so so Firefly for sale has an asking of 9k and a
> darn pretty one 25k!! I know well that my 1k john boat will catch as
> many fish as a 50K bass boat...:-) Maybe the 9k version does not come
> with a fishing pole? But I digress!
>
> The previous owner had painted the tail feathers in a trim scheme
> that looks close to Factory...
>
> I bought the standard, recommended 3M blue tape..and gathered up as
> much news paper that I might need... I was warned about the type of
> newspaper that has the small holes in it...
>
> I can see laying down the first line of blue tape then overlaying
> that with another line of tape which includes the blocking paper....
> need all the help that I can get... Herb in Ky
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 11:17:00 PM PST US
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: legs
> From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
>
> And if I may add to John's request, if you want to give a builder an atta
> boy, or signify your agreement with someone else's technical answer or
> anything that doesn't add some knowledge to the forum archives, please,
> PLEASE, put do not archive below your signature. This isn't my request,
> this is Matt's, it's in the user agreement we all sign to be members of
> this forum. The reason for not saving every last comment is simple, Matt's
> servers have a limited capacity. Go ahead and make whatever comment you
> think appropriate, but if it doesn't add to the technical database just
> add
> those three little words to your comment.
>
> Rick Girard
> do not archive
>
> On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 10:19 PM, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm certainly not the "procedure police", but I am and have
>> been a member of the Kolb Builder and Flyers List for many
>> years.
>>
>> I speak for myself and no one else.
>>
>> The best way to kill a good Kolb List is to ignore the
>> posted guidelines, turning a List for serious builders and
>> flyers of Kolb aircraft into a chat room. It is then no
>> longer the Kolb List.
>>
>> Please have some respect for those of us that are "real"
>> Kolb enthusiast. Some of you seem to do you damnedest to
>> ruin our List.
>>
>> If you want to share subjects not Kolb related, take them
>> somewhere else. Start a bull shit list for bull shit
>> subjects.
>>
>> There are times traffic on the Kolb List is slow and
>> nonexistent. That does not mean the List is dead. When
>> someone has a problem or wants to share something Kolb, they
>> will, and the conversations begin on that subject.
>>
>> Please do not destroy our Kolb List.
>>
>> john h
>> Kolb MKIII, N101AB
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>> Patrick Ladd
>> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 10:38 AM
>> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: legs
>>
>> <patrickjladd@hotmail.com>
>>
>> Come on you guys, there would seem to be some great stories
>> out there. Lets have `em. Let the procedure police stew for
>> while. Pat
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Brad Nation
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 4:04 AM
>> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: legs
>>
>> <nationcap@comcast.net>
>>
>> Does an hour back seat ride in an A-7 with an emergency
>> landing or taxi ride in a B-57G count?
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> Brad
>>
>>> On Aug 10, 2015, at 09:37, Tom O'Hara
>> <tohara@alphagraphics.com> wrote:
>>> --> <tohara@alphagraphics.com>
>>>
>>> Okay, are we comparing who paid what for how many hours in
>> what type
>>> of aircraft? If so..... crossed the Alps in hot air.
>> Left Murren,
>>> flew
>>> 5.75 hours, up to 19,500 ft. Dropper to 10' and flew the
>> Eiger glacier.
>>> Landed north of Lugano and could see all the way down the
>> Italian boot.
>>> At one point had a Swiss Air 747 doing a turn around us.
>> Best day of
>>> my
>>> life---- with my pants on. Cost about $2200USD. That
>> included meals
>>> and a hotel for the night before. Lifted off with 120
>> gallons of
>>> propane and landed with less than 10--phew.
>>>
>>> Still love my Kolb!! Just think the Kolb is about 10x
>> faster!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=445771#445771
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Photoshare, and much much more:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
________________________________ Message 9
_____________________________________
Time: 07:12:37 PM PST US
From: Herb <Herbgh@nctc.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Painting trim
I bought the blue tape and gave it a try this evening...for the life of
me could not run a straight line across the top of the wing...!! Gave up
and put the puppy back in the garage...Think I will prevail on a buddy
who painted F4's for McDonald Douglas back in St Louis...Quite a step
down and I know he will have his nose in the air...but he owes me
one...:-) Herb
On 08/20/2015 05:10 PM, GARY JINDRA wrote:
> They sell fine line tape for painting at the auto parts. It is very
> thin is plastic so it can be stretched to make curves. It has smooth
> edges that will not leave rough paint lines. You put it on first to
> get lines or designs then use blue painters tape on it. Spend the
> money to use good tape and paper if you want the best paint job you
> can do.
> */Gary Jindra
> /*
> */Mark 3c 912 ul/*
> */380 hours
> /*
> *//*
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Herb <Herbgh@nctc.com>
> *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 19, 2015 12:41 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Kolb-List: Painting trim
>
> <mailto:Herbgh@nctc.com>>
>
> Stuart
>
> I suspect that the print on the newspaper will bleed with the acetone
> and mek that is in the paint? Think I will buy some brown paper at one
> of the auto or hardware stores...Herb
>
> ps thanks for the procedure...Think I am good to go on the
> fuselage..will paint the wing leading edge outside...:-)
>
> On 08/19/2015 10:23 AM, Stuart Harner wrote:
> <stuart@harnerfarm.net <mailto:stuart@harnerfarm.net>>
> >
> > Herb,
> >
> > You are correct about putting the first layer of tape exactly on the
> line
> > you want. Then tape the paper down to the first tape with another
> layer of
> > tape. I know this takes twice as much tape but it is worth it just
> in the
> > ease of application. You can actually use plain old brown masking
> tape for
> > this and save a little $$. Usually I put all the first tape down
> before I
> > start putting the tape/paper down. That way you can stand back and
> "eyeball"
> > your work to see if it matches what you were planning. Sometimes
> tape gets
> > applied to the wrong side of the "line" and it is really hard to see
> that if
> > you have the masking paper in place.
> >
> > Looking at the first run of tape also helps identify any less than
> straight
> > areas. Much easier to lift and adjust a single line of tape than the
> whole
> > masked up edge.
> >
> > I found the local big box hardware store had brown masking paper in
> rolls up
> > to 12" wide. The local NAPA store had wider stock. I did not try
> newspapers
> > as there are lots of recommendations against that. Hopefully you
> won't have
> > any problems. Putting two or three layers of newspaper in the first
> 12" away
> > from the trim line would help absorb any overspray that may be
> heavier in
> > that area.
> >
> > Last piece of advice. Run your fingernail over all the tape where it
> > contacts the fabric just before you spray. That way there is nice fresh
> > tight contact between the tape and the fabric. This will help
> prevent the
> > new paint from creeping under the tape. Don't worry about the blue tape
> > sticking to the previous paint. As long as it has had a day or two
> to dry,
> > the blue tape will peel off nicely and not leave any residue. It can be
> > removed as soon as the paint on the tape is dry to the touch.
> >
> > Best of luck and post pictures when you get'er done!
> >
> > Stuart
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > <snip>
> > I bought the standard, recommended 3M blue tape..and gathered up
> as much
> > news paper that I might need... I was warned about the type of newspaper
> > that has the small holes in it...
> >
> > I can see laying down the first line of blue tape then overlaying
> that
> > with another line of tape which includes the blocking paper....
> > need all the help that I can get...
> Her://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List"
> target="_blank">http://www.matr -->
> <http://www.matronics.com/contribution>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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____________________________________
Time: 07:15:23 PM PST US
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: legs
From: "Flylawnchairs" <Flylawnchairs@gmail.com>
Very cool brad !
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Herb... If you became a member of the list, other members would have you eMail
address & could eMail you privately & tell you how to attach your "byline" to
your posts... Just a thought...
Aloha,
--------
Henry
Firefly Five-Charlie-Bravo
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | RE: Kolb-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 08/20/15 |
may an Atheist reply?
I find all religion to be nothing m
ore than fairy tale. my concern here is - what does anyone's religious beli
efs haave to do with Kolb ultralights? ... Tim
>
> ----------------------
>
> 1. 08:35 AM - Re: Edit Subject Line (Jason Omelchuck)
> 2. 08:53 AM - Re: Re: Edit Subject Line (Herb)
> 3. 09:26 AM - Re: do not archive (Airknocker)
> 4. 09:41 AM - Re: do not archive (Matt Dralle)
> 5. 02:47 PM - Re: Re: do not archive (Stuart Harner)
> 6. 03:10 PM - Re: Painting trim (GARY JINDRA)
> 7. 05:55 PM - Re: Edit Subject Line (Richard Pike)
> 8. 06:07 PM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 08/18/15 (Ed Hase)
> 9. 07:12 PM - Re: Painting trim (Herb)
> 10. 07:15 PM - Re: legs (Flylawnchairs)
>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1 ____________________________
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>
>
> Time: 08:35:25 AM PST US
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Edit Subject Line
> From: "Jason Omelchuck" <jason@trek-tech.com>
>
>
> Richard P.
>
> If you believe this tag line
>
> "There are two kinds of people: those who say to God=2C 'Thy will be don
e=2C' and
> those to whom God says=2C 'All right=2C then=2C have it your way.'"
>
> Is kind=2C generous and loving I believe you have a ways to go to be like
the gentleman
> in the video.
>
> FWIW
> Jason
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446189#446189
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2 ____________________________
_________
>
>
> Time: 08:53:19 AM PST US
> From: Herb <Herbgh@nctc.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Edit Subject Line
>
>
> I have met Brother Pike...a fine gentleman! Instantly likeable....
>
> Richard is tops in my book for contributing unselfishly to the
> list... I have learned a lot reading his post...
>
> Finally...when Richard and millions like him...are gone=2C=2C=2Cwhat
then ?
>
> My byline if I could figure how to do it...would be " The most
> dangerous man in America=3B Any honest man with principle"!! Herb
>
> Little more Tolerance would not hurt...
> On 08/20/2015 10:34 AM=2C Jason Omelchuck wrote:
> >
> > Richard P.
> >
> > If you believe this tag line
> >
> > "There are two kinds of people: those who say to God=2C 'Thy will be
done=2C' and
> those to whom God says=2C 'All right=2C then=2C have it your way.'"
> >
> > Is kind=2C generous and loving I believe you have a ways to go to be li
ke the gentleman
> in the video.
> >
> > FWIW
> > Jason
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446189#446189
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3 ____________________________
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>
>
> Time: 09:26:22 AM PST US
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: do not archive
> From: "Airknocker" <airknocker@harnerfarm.net>
>
>
> FYI a search on the word "archive" just pulled this post up.
>
> I guess all those who type "do not archive" are just wasting electrons.
> [Wink]
>
> --------
> "=3BI don't care=2C I'm still free. You can't take the sky from me&q
uot=3B - Josh
> Wedon
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446193#446193
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4 ____________________________
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>
>
> Time: 09:41:43 AM PST US
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: do not archive
> From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle@matronics.com>
>
>
> The Do Not Archive flag only applies to the Email distribution of the Lis
t form
> data=2C namely the historic List data you would find here:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/archives
>
> It doesn't really apply to the Forums version of the Lists because the da
ta on
> the Forums isn't really "archived" per say.
>
> Matt Dralle
> Matronics List Admin
>
> --------
> Matt Dralle
> Matronics Email List Administrator
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446194#446194
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 5 ____________________________
_________
>
>
> Time: 02:47:03 PM PST US
> From: "Stuart Harner" <stuart@harnerfarm.net>
> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: do not archive
>
>
> Matt=2C
>
> Inside baseball curiosity here.
>
> So there are two databases of messages?
>
> The forum database that is complete and gets searched by the search
> function=2C then the archive database that is the truncated (missing the
"do
> not archive" messages)?
>
> With all the forums you host there must be multiple servers with raid arr
ays
> I am guessing?
>
> Stuart
> IT guy in a past life.
>
> Do not archive
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
> Sent: Thursday=2C August 20=2C 2015 11:41 AM
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: do not archive
>
>
> The Do Not Archive flag only applies to the Email distribution of the Lis
t
> form data=2C namely the historic List data you would find here:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/archives
>
> It doesn't really apply to the Forums version of the Lists because the da
ta
> on the Forums isn't really "archived" per say.
>
> Matt Dralle
> Matronics List Admin
>
> --------
> Matt Dralle
> Matronics Email List Administrator
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446194#446194
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6 ____________________________
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>
>
> Time: 03:10:53 PM PST US
> From: GARY JINDRA <gajindra@sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Painting trim
>
> =C2-They sell fine line tape for painting at the auto parts. It is very
t
> hin is plastic so it can be stretched to make curves. It has smooth edges
t
> hat will not leave rough paint lines. You put it on first to get lines or
d
> esigns then use blue painters tape on it. Spend the money to use good tap
e
> and paper if you want the best paint job you can do.=C2-Gary Jindra=C
2-
> =C2-=C2-
> Mark 3c 912 ul380 hours
>
>
> From: Herb <Herbgh@nctc.com>
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday=2C August 19=2C 2015 12:41 PM
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Painting trim
>
>
> Stuart
>
> =C2- I suspect that the print on the newspaper will bleed with the acet
on
> e
> and mek that is in the paint?=C2- Think I will buy some brown paper at
on
> e
> of the auto or hardware stores...Herb
>
> ps thanks for the procedure...Think I am good to go on the
> fuselage..will paint the wing leading edge outside...:-)
>
> On 08/19/2015 10:23 AM=2C Stuart Harner wrote:
> >
> > Herb=2C
> >
> > You are correct about putting the first layer of tape exactly on the li
ne
> > you want. Then tape the paper down to the first tape with another layer
o
> f
> > tape. I know this takes twice as much tape but it is worth it just in t
he
> > ease of application.=C2- You can actually use plain old brown masking
t
> ape for
> > this and save a little $$. Usually I put all the first tape down before
I
> > start putting the tape/paper down. That way you can stand back and "eye
ba
> ll"
> > your work to see if it matches what you were planning. Sometimes tape g
et
> s
> > applied to the wrong side of the "line" and it is really hard to see th
at
> if
> > you have the masking paper in place.
> >
> > Looking at the first run of tape also helps identify any less than stra
ig
> ht
> > areas. Much easier to lift and adjust a single line of tape than the wh
ol
> e
> > masked up edge.
> >
> > I found the local big box hardware store had brown masking paper in rol
ls
> up
> > to 12" wide. The local NAPA store had wider stock. I did not try newspa
pe
> rs
> > as there are lots of recommendations against that. Hopefully you won't
ha
> ve
> > any problems. Putting two or three layers of newspaper in the first 12"
a
> way
> > from the trim line would help absorb any overspray that may be heavier
in
> > that area.
> >
> > Last piece of advice. Run your fingernail over all the tape where it
> > contacts the fabric just before you spray. That way there is nice fresh
> > tight contact between the tape and the fabric. This will help prevent t
he
> > new paint from creeping under the tape. Don't worry about the blue tape
> > sticking to the previous paint. As long as it has had a day or two to d
ry
> =2C
> > the blue tape will peel off nicely and not leave any residue. It can be
> > removed as soon as the paint on the tape is dry to the touch.
> >
> > Best of luck and post pictures when you get'er done!
> >
> > Stuart
> >
> >
> > <snip>
> >=C2- =C2- I bought the standard=2C recommended 3M blue tape..and gat
here
> d up as much
> > news paper that I might need... I was warned about the type of newspape
r
> > that has the small holes in it...
> >
> >=C2- =C2- I can see laying down the first line of blue tape then ove
rl
> aying that
> > with another line of tape which includes the blocking paper....
> > need all the help that I can get...=C2- Herb in Ky
> >
> >
>
>
> S -
> -
> =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle=2C List Admin.
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 7 ____________________________
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>
>
> Time: 05:55:12 PM PST US
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Edit Subject Line
> From: "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron@charter.net>
>
>
>
> Jason Omelchuck wrote:
> > Richard P.
> >
> > If you believe this tag line
> >
> > "There are two kinds of people: those who say to God=2C 'Thy will be d
one=2C' and
> those to whom God says=2C 'All right=2C then=2C have it your way.'"
> >
> > Is kind=2C generous and loving I believe you have a ways to go to be li
ke the gentleman
> in the video.
> >
> > FWIW
> > Jason
>
>
> I have a long ways to go to be like any number of gentlemen. Just a sinne
r saved
> by grace. Never claimed to be any more than that. Definitely a work in pr
ogress=2C
> and not always doing all that well.
> So how's it going with you?
>
> --------
> Richard Pike
> Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> Kingsport=2C TN 3TN0
>
> Would you consider yourself to be a good person?
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWcDXT6pH7A
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446218#446218
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 8 ____________________________
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>
>
> Time: 06:07:57 PM PST US
> From: Ed Hase <ehase@charter.net>
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 08/18/15
>
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> >
> > 1. 07:55 PM - Re: Re: Primer Bulb (John Hauck)
> > 2. 08:21 PM - Re: Primer Bulb (Richard Pike)
> > 3. 08:23 PM - Re: Re: legs (John Hauck)
> > 4. 08:45 PM - Re: Re: Primer Bulb (John Hauck)
> > 5. 10:08 PM - fly safe...use a rubber...hose that is!! (Herb)
> > 6. 11:17 PM - Re: Re: legs (Richard Girard)
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 1 __________________________
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> >
> >
> > Time: 07:55:52 PM PST US
> > From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> > Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Primer Bulb
> >
> >
> > I've used Gates neoprene fuel like for all three of my Kolbs
> > over a 30+ year span. Found out early on plastic line is a
> > failure waiting to happen. First failure was the fuel pump
> > pulse line. Fortunately I found it on the ground.
> >
> > I use straight neoprene fuel line for all fuel deliver=2C
> > drains=2C and vent tubes. Adding aluminum lines to replace
> > sections of neoprene is probably ok=2C but adds a lot of
> > additional connections=2C usually where a possible failure
> > could occur.
> >
> > Keep it simple.
> >
> > john h
> > JBER=2C Anchorage=2C Alaska
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> > Richard Pike
> > Sent: Monday=2C August 17=2C 2015 5:19 AM
> > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Primer Bulb
> >
> > --> <thegreybaron@charter.net>
> >
> > Hate to be the duty curmudgeon=2C but I had a couple problems
> > with Heavenbound Aviation's guide.
> > One is that he pictures a fuel filter with a paper filtering
> > element. Will that still allow gas to flow through it if it
> > gets a dose of water?
> >
> > If you use a good quality filter in your tank=2C then you can
> > use an inline bronze filter in a transparent case with out
> > any worries. The best tank filter/pickup is a replacement
> > for the ones that go on in-tank car fuel pumps=2C they are
> > fine mesh nylon=2C very large with lots of surface area=2C and
> > pretty cheap.
> >
> > His description and pictures of using safety wire as a fuel
> > line clamp is simply wrong. He uses one wrap and a straight
> > twist. One wrap fails to secure part of one side=2C and a
> > straight end is a good way to jab yourself and bleed all
> > over your airplane every time you get near your fuel system.
> > Double wrap and bend the end over like in the attached
> > photo. (found that old filter & line in the scrap bin)
> >
> > Finally=2C I suggest never using blue urethane line for
> > anything=2C period. Soft aluminum fuel line from Aircraft
> > Spruce is cheaper and lasts forever if properly installed.
> > Blue urethane can look good and feel soft=2C and break without
> > warning. (Guess how I know this?) Good grade NAPA fuel line
> > will still look good on the outside after many years and
> > does not deteriorate=2C I use that where the aluminum line
> > ends to connect to the carbs=2C fuel pump=2C etc.
> >
> > Worth what ya paid for it.
> >
> > --------
> > Richard Pike
> > Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> > Kingsport=2C TN 3TN0
> > There are two kinds of people: those who say to God=2C 'Thy
> > will be done=2C' and those to whom God says=2C 'All right=2C then=2C
> > have it your way.'
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446069#446069
> >
> >
> > Attachments:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1040718_small_157.jpg
> >
> >
> >
> > Photoshare=2C and much much more:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 2 __________________________
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> >
> >
> > Time: 08:21:07 PM PST US
> > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Primer Bulb
> > From: "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron@charter.net>
> >
> >
> > John Hauck wrote:
> >>
> >> Adding aluminum lines to replace sections of neoprene is probably ok
=2C but adds
> > a lot of additional connections=2C usually where a possible failure
> >> could occur.
> >>
> >> Keep it simple.
> >>
> >> john h
> >> JBER=2C Anchorage=2C Alaska
> >>
> >> --
> >
> > I guess if I had 100 hp on my MKIII I wouldn't care about hauling aroun
d extra
> > ounces either=2C but since neoprene is heavier than aluminum fuel line
=2C and I only
> > have 65 hp to work with=2C I will use the good/light stuff and insure d
ue diligence
> > at my connections.
> >
> > Clear skies and tailwinds to you Bro.
> >
> > --------
> > Richard Pike
> > Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> > Kingsport=2C TN 3TN0
> > There are two kinds of people: those who say to God=2C 'Thy will be don
e=2C' and
> those
> > to whom God says=2C 'All right=2C then=2C have it your way.'
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446130#446130
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 3 __________________________
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> >
> >
> > Time: 08:23:15 PM PST US
> > From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> > Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: legs
> >
> >
> > I'm certainly not the "procedure police"=2C but I am and have
> > been a member of the Kolb Builder and Flyers List for many
> > years.
> >
> > I speak for myself and no one else.
> >
> > The best way to kill a good Kolb List is to ignore the
> > posted guidelines=2C turning a List for serious builders and
> > flyers of Kolb aircraft into a chat room. It is then no
> > longer the Kolb List.
> >
> > Please have some respect for those of us that are "real"
> > Kolb enthusiast. Some of you seem to do you damnedest to
> > ruin our List.
> >
> > If you want to share subjects not Kolb related=2C take them
> > somewhere else. Start a bull shit list for bull shit
> > subjects.
> >
> > There are times traffic on the Kolb List is slow and
> > nonexistent. That does not mean the List is dead. When
> > someone has a problem or wants to share something Kolb=2C they
> > will=2C and the conversations begin on that subject.
> >
> > Please do not destroy our Kolb List.
> >
> > john h
> > Kolb MKIII=2C N101AB
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> > Patrick Ladd
> > Sent: Friday=2C August 14=2C 2015 10:38 AM
> > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: legs
> >
> > <patrickjladd@hotmail.com>
> >
> > Come on you guys=2C there would seem to be some great stories
> > out there. Lets have `em. Let the procedure police stew for
> > while. Pat
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Brad Nation
> > Sent: Wednesday=2C August 12=2C 2015 4:04 AM
> > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: legs
> >
> > <nationcap@comcast.net>
> >
> > Does an hour back seat ride in an A-7 with an emergency
> > landing or taxi ride in a B-57G count?
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > Brad
> >
> >> On Aug 10=2C 2015=2C at 09:37=2C Tom O'Hara
> > <tohara@alphagraphics.com> wrote:
> >> --> <tohara@alphagraphics.com>
> >>
> >> Okay=2C are we comparing who paid what for how many hours in
> > what type
> >> of aircraft? If so..... crossed the Alps in hot air.
> > Left Murren=2C
> >> flew
> >> 5.75 hours=2C up to 19=2C500 ft. Dropper to 10' and flew the
> > Eiger glacier.
> >> Landed north of Lugano and could see all the way down the
> > Italian boot.
> >> At one point had a Swiss Air 747 doing a turn around us.
> > Best day of
> >> my
> >> life---- with my pants on. Cost about $2200USD. That
> > included meals
> >> and a hotel for the night before. Lifted off with 120
> > gallons of
> >> propane and landed with less than 10--phew.
> >>
> >> Still love my Kolb!! Just think the Kolb is about 10x
> > faster!
> >>
> >> Read this topic online here:
> >>
> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=445771#445771
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > Photoshare=2C and much much more:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 4 __________________________
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> >
> >
> > Time: 08:45:26 PM PST US
> > From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> > Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Primer Bulb
> >
> >
> > Brother Pike:
> >
> > I have no doubt you will make the very best fuel line
> > connections possible=2C no matter how many there are.
> >
> > I can assure you my 65 hp MKIII flew quite well with
> > neoprene fuel line. Most folks know I build heavy
> > airplanes=2C haul 25 gallons of fuel=2C and 100 or more pounds
> > of gear when I go flying. I didn't encounter any problem
> > flying to Lakeland=2C FL=2C Homer Kolb's house=2C and Oshkosh
> > hauling all that load with 65 hp.
> >
> > I doubt very seriously you or your 65 hp MKIII would ever
> > notice the difference in a few extra ounces.
> >
> > john h
> > mkIII powered with 65=2C 80=2C and 100 (95 useable) HP engines.
> > JBER=2C Anchorage=2C Alaska
> >
> > I guess if I had 100 hp on my MKIII I wouldn't care about
> > hauling around extra ounces either=2C but since neoprene is
> > heavier than aluminum fuel line=2C and I only have 65 hp to
> > work with=2C I will use the good/light stuff and insure due
> > diligence at my connections.
> >
> > Clear skies and tailwinds to you Bro.
> >
> > --------
> > Richard Pike
> > Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> > Kingsport=2C TN 3TN0
> > There are two kinds of people: those who say to God=2C 'Thy
> > will be done=2C' and those to whom God says=2C 'All right=2C then=2C
> > have it your way.'
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446130#446130
> >
> >
> >
> > Photoshare=2C and much much more:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 5 __________________________
___________
> >
> >
> > Time: 10:08:16 PM PST US
> > From: Herb <Herbgh@nctc.com>
> > Subject: Kolb-List: fly safe...use a rubber...hose that is!!
> >
> >
> > Pore ole Herb....I go into the auto parts store and ask for Gates fuel
> > line...Most sell that particular brand...Neoprene seems to refer to the
> > outside cover.. Three layers... good for 10% corn elixir... That what
> > you buy..John?
> >
> > Wonder if Beauford gets his corn through a straw or gates hose?? :-
)
> >
> > For all of those on the edge of their seats :-) =2C=2C=2C=2CJust
about
> > ready to commit to the air...got caught in that 90% done 90% to go
> > syndrome...and to be honest lots of things to do on my 35 acres... The
> > Firefly is looking pretty good... Full enclosure is done...
> >
> > Wondering if the two blade 60 inch Warp Drive prop is going to be
> > enough...? As I said before...I will trade a three blade=2C
> > medium(503=2C582) Ivo for a three blade UL version... I like the
> > smoothness of the IVO ..
> >
> > And....all my previous builds were completely done in Insignia
> > White....so I have no experience in taping and trim painting....I want
> > to do the Bryan Milborn standard paint job...quite similar to half of
> > the Kolbs that are for sale on Barnstormers....The previous owner had
> > painted the tail feathers in a trim scheme that looks close to Factory.
.
> >
> > Interesting that a so so Firefly for sale has an asking of 9k and a
> > darn pretty one 25k!! I know well that my 1k john boat will catch as
> > many fish as a 50K bass boat...:-) Maybe the 9k version does not come
> > with a fishing pole? But I digress!
> >
> > The previous owner had painted the tail feathers in a trim scheme
> > that looks close to Factory...
> >
> > I bought the standard=2C recommended 3M blue tape..and gathered up
as
> > much news paper that I might need... I was warned about the type of
> > newspaper that has the small holes in it...
> >
> > I can see laying down the first line of blue tape then overlaying
> > that with another line of tape which includes the blocking paper....
> > need all the help that I can get... Herb in Ky
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 6 __________________________
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> >
> >
> > Time: 11:17:00 PM PST US
> > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: legs
> > From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
> >
> > And if I may add to John's request=2C if you want to give a builder an
atta
> > boy=2C or signify your agreement with someone else's technical answer o
r
> > anything that doesn't add some knowledge to the forum archives=2C pleas
e=2C
> > PLEASE=2C put do not archive below your signature. This isn't my reques
t=2C
> > this is Matt's=2C it's in the user agreement we all sign to be members
of
> > this forum. The reason for not saving every last comment is simple=2C M
att's
> > servers have a limited capacity. Go ahead and make whatever comment you
> > think appropriate=2C but if it doesn't add to the technical database ju
st add
> > those three little words to your comment.
> >
> > Rick Girard
> > do not archive
> >
> > On Tue=2C Aug 18=2C 2015 at 10:19 PM=2C John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.co
m> wrote:
> >
> >> I'm certainly not the "procedure police"=2C but I am and have
> >> been a member of the Kolb Builder and Flyers List for many
> >> years.
> >>
> >> I speak for myself and no one else.
> >>
> >> The best way to kill a good Kolb List is to ignore the
> >> posted guidelines=2C turning a List for serious builders and
> >> flyers of Kolb aircraft into a chat room. It is then no
> >> longer the Kolb List.
> >>
> >> Please have some respect for those of us that are "real"
> >> Kolb enthusiast. Some of you seem to do you damnedest to
> >> ruin our List.
> >>
> >> If you want to share subjects not Kolb related=2C take them
> >> somewhere else. Start a bull shit list for bull shit
> >> subjects.
> >>
> >> There are times traffic on the Kolb List is slow and
> >> nonexistent. That does not mean the List is dead. When
> >> someone has a problem or wants to share something Kolb=2C they
> >> will=2C and the conversations begin on that subject.
> >>
> >> Please do not destroy our Kolb List.
> >>
> >> john h
> >> Kolb MKIII=2C N101AB
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> >> Patrick Ladd
> >> Sent: Friday=2C August 14=2C 2015 10:38 AM
> >> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> >> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: legs
> >>
> >> <patrickjladd@hotmail.com>
> >>
> >> Come on you guys=2C there would seem to be some great stories
> >> out there. Lets have `em. Let the procedure police stew for
> >> while. Pat
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Brad Nation
> >> Sent: Wednesday=2C August 12=2C 2015 4:04 AM
> >> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> >> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: legs
> >>
> >> <nationcap@comcast.net>
> >>
> >> Does an hour back seat ride in an A-7 with an emergency
> >> landing or taxi ride in a B-57G count?
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
> >> Brad
> >>
> >>> On Aug 10=2C 2015=2C at 09:37=2C Tom O'Hara
> >> <tohara@alphagraphics.com> wrote:
> >>> --> <tohara@alphagraphics.com>
> >>>
> >>> Okay=2C are we comparing who paid what for how many hours in
> >> what type
> >>> of aircraft? If so..... crossed the Alps in hot air.
> >> Left Murren=2C
> >>> flew
> >>> 5.75 hours=2C up to 19=2C500 ft. Dropper to 10' and flew the
> >> Eiger glacier.
> >>> Landed north of Lugano and could see all the way down the
> >> Italian boot.
> >>> At one point had a Swiss Air 747 doing a turn around us.
> >> Best day of
> >>> my
> >>> life---- with my pants on. Cost about $2200USD. That
> >> included meals
> >>> and a hotel for the night before. Lifted off with 120
> >> gallons of
> >>> propane and landed with less than 10--phew.
> >>>
> >>> Still love my Kolb!! Just think the Kolb is about 10x
> >> faster!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Read this topic online here:
> >>>
> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=445771#445771
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> Photoshare=2C and much much more:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 9 ____________________________
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>
>
> Time: 07:12:37 PM PST US
> From: Herb <Herbgh@nctc.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Painting trim
>
> I bought the blue tape and gave it a try this evening...for the life of
> me could not run a straight line across the top of the wing...!! Gave up
> and put the puppy back in the garage...Think I will prevail on a buddy
> who painted F4's for McDonald Douglas back in St Louis...Quite a step
> down and I know he will have his nose in the air...but he owes me
> one...:-) Herb
>
> On 08/20/2015 05:10 PM=2C GARY JINDRA wrote:
> > They sell fine line tape for painting at the auto parts. It is very
> > thin is plastic so it can be stretched to make curves. It has smooth
> > edges that will not leave rough paint lines. You put it on first to
> > get lines or designs then use blue painters tape on it. Spend the
> > money to use good tape and paper if you want the best paint job you
> > can do.
> > */Gary Jindra
> > /*
> > */Mark 3c 912 ul/*
> > */380 hours
> > /*
> > *//*
> >
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
-
> > *From:* Herb <Herbgh@nctc.com>
> > *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com
> > *Sent:* Wednesday=2C August 19=2C 2015 12:41 PM
> > *Subject:* Re: Kolb-List: Painting trim
> >
> > <mailto:Herbgh@nctc.com>>
> >
> > Stuart
> >
> > I suspect that the print on the newspaper will bleed with the acetone
> > and mek that is in the paint? Think I will buy some brown paper at one
> > of the auto or hardware stores...Herb
> >
> > ps thanks for the procedure...Think I am good to go on the
> > fuselage..will paint the wing leading edge outside...:-)
> >
> > On 08/19/2015 10:23 AM=2C Stuart Harner wrote:
> > <stuart@harnerfarm.net <mailto:stuart@harnerfarm.net>>
> > >
> > > Herb=2C
> > >
> > > You are correct about putting the first layer of tape exactly on the
> > line
> > > you want. Then tape the paper down to the first tape with another
> > layer of
> > > tape. I know this takes twice as much tape but it is worth it just
> > in the
> > > ease of application. You can actually use plain old brown masking
> > tape for
> > > this and save a little $$. Usually I put all the first tape down
> > before I
> > > start putting the tape/paper down. That way you can stand back and
> > "eyeball"
> > > your work to see if it matches what you were planning. Sometimes
> > tape gets
> > > applied to the wrong side of the "line" and it is really hard to see
> > that if
> > > you have the masking paper in place.
> > >
> > > Looking at the first run of tape also helps identify any less than
> > straight
> > > areas. Much easier to lift and adjust a single line of tape than the
> > whole
> > > masked up edge.
> > >
> > > I found the local big box hardware store had brown masking paper in
> > rolls up
> > > to 12" wide. The local NAPA store had wider stock. I did not try
> > newspapers
> > > as there are lots of recommendations against that. Hopefully you
> > won't have
> > > any problems. Putting two or three layers of newspaper in the first
> > 12" away
> > > from the trim line would help absorb any overspray that may be
> > heavier in
> > > that area.
> > >
> > > Last piece of advice. Run your fingernail over all the tape where it
> > > contacts the fabric just before you spray. That way there is nice fre
sh
> > > tight contact between the tape and the fabric. This will help
> > prevent the
> > > new paint from creeping under the tape. Don't worry about the blue ta
pe
> > > sticking to the previous paint. As long as it has had a day or two
> > to dry=2C
> > > the blue tape will peel off nicely and not leave any residue. It can
be
> > > removed as soon as the paint on the tape is dry to the touch.
> > >
> > > Best of luck and post pictures when you get'er done!
> > >
> > > Stuart
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > <snip>
> > > I bought the standard=2C recommended 3M blue tape..and gathered up
> > as much
> > > news paper that I might need... I was warned about the type of newspa
per
> > > that has the small holes in it...
> > >
> > > I can see laying down the first line of blue tape then overlaying
> > that
> > > with another line of tape which includes the blocking paper....
> > > need all the help that I can get...
> > Her://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List"
> > target="_blank">http://www.matr -->
> > <http://www.matronics.com/contribution>http://www.matronics.com/Navigat
or?Kolb-List
> > http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 10 ___________________________
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>
>
> Time: 07:15:23 PM PST US
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: legs
> From: "Flylawnchairs" <Flylawnchairs@gmail.com>
>
>
> Very cool brad !
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446223#446223
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 08/20/15 |
I have been known to be rude to Jehovah Witnesses, but they were pushy. I
also have never felt the need to have a tag line other than "Do not
archive", but I am having a hard time understanding why Richards tag line
bothers you all to the point that you have to berate him for it. For crying
out loud, don't read the damn thing if it bothers you that much. You can
even go so far as to block his messages to your email, but I have found him
to be helpful. Go do something worth while, wash your plane or something.
enough for crying out loud,
Larry
On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Tim Hrib <tim_hrib@hotmail.com> wrote:
> may an Atheist reply?
> I find all religion to be nothing
> more than fairy tale. my concern here is - what does anyone's religious
> beliefs haave to do with Kolb ultralights? ... Tim
>
> >
> > ----------------------
> >
> > 1. 08:35 AM - Re: Edit Subject Line (Jason Omelchuck)
> > 2. 08:53 AM - Re: Re: Edit Subject Line (Herb)
> > 3. 09:26 AM - Re: do not archive (Airknocker)
> > 4. 09:41 AM - Re: do not archive (Matt Dralle)
> > 5. 02:47 PM - Re: Re: do not archive (Stuart Harner)
> > 6. 03:10 PM - Re: Painting trim (GARY JINDRA)
> > 7. 05:55 PM - Re: Edit Subject Line (Richard Pike)
> > 8. 06:07 PM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 08/18/15 (Ed Hase)
> > 9. 07:12 PM - Re: Painting trim (Herb)
> > 10. 07:15 PM - Re: legs (Flylawnchairs)
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 08:35:25 AM PST US
> > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Edit Subject Line
> > From: "Jason Omelchuck" <jason@trek-tech.com>
> >
> >
> > Richard P.
> >
> > If you believe this tag line
> >
> > "There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, 'Thy will be
> done,' and
> > those to whom God says, 'All right, then, have it your way.'"
> >
> > Is kind, generous and loving I believe you have a ways to go to be like
> the gentleman
> > in the video.
> >
> > FWIW
> > Jason
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446189#446189
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 08:53:19 AM PST US
> > From: Herb <Herbgh@nctc.com>
> > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Edit Subject Line
> >
> >
> > I have met Brother Pike...a fine gentleman! Instantly likeable....
> >
> > Richard is tops in my book for contributing unselfishly to the
> > list... I have learned a lot reading his post...
> >
> > Finally...when Richard and millions like him...are gone,,,what then ?
> >
> > My byline if I could figure how to do it...would be " The most
> > dangerous man in America; Any honest man with principle"!! Herb
> >
> > Little more Tolerance would not hurt...
> > On 08/20/2015 10:34 AM, Jason Omelchuck wrote:
> > >
> > > Richard P.
> > >
> > > If you believe this tag line
> > >
> > > "There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, 'Thy will be
> done,' and
> > those to whom God says, 'All right, then, have it your way.'"
> > >
> > > Is kind, generous and loving I believe you have a ways to go to be
> like the gentleman
> > in the video.
> > >
> > > FWIW
> > > Jason
> > >
> > >
> > > Read this topic online here:
> > >
> > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446189#446189
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 3
> _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 09:26:22 AM PST US
> > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: do not archive
> > From: "Airknocker" <airknocker@harnerfarm.net>
> >
> >
> > FYI a search on the word "archive" just pulled this post up.
> >
> > I guess all those who type "do not archive" are just wasting electrons.
> > [Wink]
> >
> > --------
> > "I don't care, I'm still free. You can't take the sky from me"
> - Josh
> > Wedon
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446193#446193
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 4
> _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 09:41:43 AM PST US
> > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: do not archive
> > From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle@matronics.com>
> >
> >
> > The Do Not Archive flag only applies to the Email distribution of the
> List form
> > data, namely the historic List data you would find here:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/archives
> >
> > It doesn't really apply to the Forums version of the Lists because the
> data on
> > the Forums isn't really "archived" per say.
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> > Matronics List Admin
> >
> > --------
> > Matt Dralle
> > Matronics Email List Administrator
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446194#446194
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 5
> _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 02:47:03 PM PST US
> > From: "Stuart Harner" <stuart@harnerfarm.net>
> > Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: do not archive
> >
> >
> > Matt,
> >
> > Inside baseball curiosity here.
> >
> > So there are two databases of messages?
> >
> > The forum database that is complete and gets searched by the search
> > function, then the archive database that is the truncated (missing the
> "do
> > not archive" messages)?
> >
> > With all the forums you host there must be multiple servers with raid
> arrays
> > I am guessing?
> >
> > Stuart
> > IT guy in a past life.
> >
> > Do not archive
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
> > Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2015 11:41 AM
> > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: do not archive
> >
> >
> > The Do Not Archive flag only applies to the Email distribution of the
> List
> > form data, namely the historic List data you would find here:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/archives
> >
> > It doesn't really apply to the Forums version of the Lists because the
> data
> > on the Forums isn't really "archived" per say.
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> > Matronics List Admin
> >
> > --------
> > Matt Dralle
> > Matronics Email List Administrator
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446194#446194
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 6
> _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 03:10:53 PM PST US
> > From: GARY JINDRA <gajindra@sbcglobal.net>
> > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Painting trim
> >
> > =C2-They sell fine line tape for painting at the auto parts. It is very t
> > hin is plastic so it can be stretched to make curves. It has smooth
> edges t
> > hat will not leave rough paint lines. You put it on first to get lines
> or d
> > esigns then use blue painters tape on it. Spend the money to use good
> tape
> > and paper if you want the best paint job you can do.=C2-Gary Jindra=C2-
> > =C2-=C2-
> > Mark 3c 912 ul380 hours
> >
> >
> > From: Herb <Herbgh@nctc.com>
> > To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 12:41 PM
> > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Painting trim
> >
> >
> > Stuart
> >
> > =C2- I suspect that the print on the newspaper will bleed with the aceton
> > e
> > and mek that is in the paint?=C2- Think I will buy some brown paper at on
> > e
> > of the auto or hardware stores...Herb
> >
> > ps thanks for the procedure...Think I am good to go on the
> > fuselage..will paint the wing leading edge outside...:-)
> >
> > On 08/19/2015 10:23 AM, Stuart Harner wrote:
> > >
> > > Herb,
> > >
> > > You are correct about putting the first layer of tape exactly on the
> line
> > > you want. Then tape the paper down to the first tape with another
> layer o
> > f
> > > tape. I know this takes twice as much tape but it is worth it just in
> the
> > > ease of application.=C2- You can actually use plain old brown masking t
> > ape for
> > > this and save a little $$. Usually I put all the first tape down
> before I
> > > start putting the tape/paper down. That way you can stand back and
> "eyeba
> > ll"
> > > your work to see if it matches what you were planning. Sometimes tape
> get
> > s
> > > applied to the wrong side of the "line" and it is really hard to see
> that
> > if
> > > you have the masking paper in place.
> > >
> > > Looking at the first run of tape also helps identify any less than
> straig
> > ht
> > > areas. Much easier to lift and adjust a single line of tape than the
> whol
> > e
> > > masked up edge.
> > >
> > > I found the local big box hardware store had brown masking paper in
> rolls
> > up
> > > to 12" wide. The local NAPA store had wider stock. I did not try
> newspape
> > rs
> > > as there are lots of recommendations against that. Hopefully you won't
> ha
> > ve
> > > any problems. Putting two or three layers of newspaper in the first
> 12" a
> > way
> > > from the trim line would help absorb any overspray that may be heavier
> in
> > > that area.
> > >
> > > Last piece of advice. Run your fingernail over all the tape where it
> > > contacts the fabric just before you spray. That way there is nice fresh
> > > tight contact between the tape and the fabric. This will help prevent
> the
> > > new paint from creeping under the tape. Don't worry about the blue tape
> > > sticking to the previous paint. As long as it has had a day or two to
> dry
> > ,
> > > the blue tape will peel off nicely and not leave any residue. It can be
> > > removed as soon as the paint on the tape is dry to the touch.
> > >
> > > Best of luck and post pictures when you get'er done!
> > >
> > > Stuart
> > >
> > >
> > > <snip>
> > >=C2- =C2- I bought the standard, recommended 3M blue tape..and gathere
> > d up as much
> > > news paper that I might need... I was warned about the type of
> newspaper
> > > that has the small holes in it...
> > >
> > >=C2- =C2- I can see laying down the first line of blue tape then overl
> > aying that
> > > with another line of tape which includes the blocking paper....
> > > need all the help that I can get...=C2- Herb in Ky
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > S -
> > -
> > =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 7
> _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 05:55:12 PM PST US
> > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Edit Subject Line
> > From: "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron@charter.net>
> >
> >
> >
> > Jason Omelchuck wrote:
> > > Richard P.
> > >
> > > If you believe this tag line
> > >
> > > "There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, 'Thy will be
> done,' and
> > those to whom God says, 'All right, then, have it your way.'"
> > >
> > > Is kind, generous and loving I believe you have a ways to go to be
> like the gentleman
> > in the video.
> > >
> > > FWIW
> > > Jason
> >
> >
> > I have a long ways to go to be like any number of gentlemen. Just a
> sinner saved
> > by grace. Never claimed to be any more than that. Definitely a work in
> progress,
> > and not always doing all that well.
> > So how's it going with you?
> >
> > --------
> > Richard Pike
> > Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> > Kingsport, TN 3TN0
> >
> > Would you consider yourself to be a good person?
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWcDXT6pH7A
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446218#446218
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 8
> _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 06:07:57 PM PST US
> > From: Ed Hase <ehase@charter.net>
> > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 08/18/15
> >
> >
> > Please remove me
> >
> > On 8/19/2015 2:02 AM, Kolb-List Digest Server wrote:
> > > *
> > >
> > > =======================
> > > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive
> > > =======================
> > >
> > > Today's complete Kolb-List Digest can also be found in either of the
> > > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest
> formatted
> > > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes
> > > and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version
> > > of the Kolb-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor
> > > such as Notepad or with a web browser.
> > >
> > > HTML Version:
> > >
> > >
> http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter
> 15-08-18&Archive=Kolb
> > >
> > > Text Version:
> > >
> > >
> http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter
> 15-08-18&Archive=Kolb
> > >
> > >
> > > =====================
> > > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive
> > > =====================
> > >
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > > Kolb-List Digest Archive
> > > ---
> > > Total Messages Posted Tue 08/18/15: 6
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > >
> > > Today's Message Index:
> > > ----------------------
> > >
> > > 1. 07:55 PM - Re: Re: Primer Bulb (John Hauck)
> > > 2. 08:21 PM - Re: Primer Bulb (Richard Pike)
> > > 3. 08:23 PM - Re: Re: legs (John Hauck)
> > > 4. 08:45 PM - Re: Re: Primer Bulb (John Hauck)
> > > 5. 10:08 PM - fly safe...use a rubber...hose that is!! (Herb)
> > > 6. 11:17 PM - Re: Re: legs (Richard Girard)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
> > >
> > >
> > > Time: 07:55:52 PM PST US
> > > From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> > > Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Primer Bulb
> > >
> > >
> > > I've used Gates neoprene fuel like for all three of my Kolbs
> > > over a 30+ year span. Found out early on plastic line is a
> > > failure waiting to happen. First failure was the fuel pump
> > > pulse line. Fortunately I found it on the ground.
> > >
> > > I use straight neoprene fuel line for all fuel deliver,
> > > drains, and vent tubes. Adding aluminum lines to replace
> > > sections of neoprene is probably ok, but adds a lot of
> > > additional connections, usually where a possible failure
> > > could occur.
> > >
> > > Keep it simple.
> > >
> > > john h
> > > JBER, Anchorage, Alaska
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> > > [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> > > Richard Pike
> > > Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 5:19 AM
> > > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Primer Bulb
> > >
> > > --> <thegreybaron@charter.net>
> > >
> > > Hate to be the duty curmudgeon, but I had a couple problems
> > > with Heavenbound Aviation's guide.
> > > One is that he pictures a fuel filter with a paper filtering
> > > element. Will that still allow gas to flow through it if it
> > > gets a dose of water?
> > >
> > > If you use a good quality filter in your tank, then you can
> > > use an inline bronze filter in a transparent case with out
> > > any worries. The best tank filter/pickup is a replacement
> > > for the ones that go on in-tank car fuel pumps, they are
> > > fine mesh nylon, very large with lots of surface area, and
> > > pretty cheap.
> > >
> > > His description and pictures of using safety wire as a fuel
> > > line clamp is simply wrong. He uses one wrap and a straight
> > > twist. One wrap fails to secure part of one side, and a
> > > straight end is a good way to jab yourself and bleed all
> > > over your airplane every time you get near your fuel system.
> > > Double wrap and bend the end over like in the attached
> > > photo. (found that old filter & line in the scrap bin)
> > >
> > > Finally, I suggest never using blue urethane line for
> > > anything, period. Soft aluminum fuel line from Aircraft
> > > Spruce is cheaper and lasts forever if properly installed.
> > > Blue urethane can look good and feel soft, and break without
> > > warning. (Guess how I know this?) Good grade NAPA fuel line
> > > will still look good on the outside after many years and
> > > does not deteriorate, I use that where the aluminum line
> > > ends to connect to the carbs, fuel pump, etc.
> > >
> > > Worth what ya paid for it.
> > >
> > > --------
> > > Richard Pike
> > > Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> > > Kingsport, TN 3TN0
> > > There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, 'Thy
> > > will be done,' and those to whom God says, 'All right, then,
> > > have it your way.'
> > >
> > >
> > > Read this topic online here:
> > >
> > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446069#446069
> > >
> > >
> > > Attachments:
> > >
> > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1040718_small_157.jpg
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Photoshare, and much much more:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
> > >
> > >
> > > Time: 08:21:07 PM PST US
> > > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Primer Bulb
> > > From: "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron@charter.net>
> > >
> > >
> > > John Hauck wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Adding aluminum lines to replace sections of neoprene is probably ok,
> but adds
> > > a lot of additional connections, usually where a possible failure
> > >> could occur.
> > >>
> > >> Keep it simple.
> > >>
> > >> john h
> > >> JBER, Anchorage, Alaska
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >
> > > I guess if I had 100 hp on my MKIII I wouldn't care about hauling
> around extra
> > > ounces either, but since neoprene is heavier than aluminum fuel line,
> and I only
> > > have 65 hp to work with, I will use the good/light stuff and insure
> due diligence
> > > at my connections.
> > >
> > > Clear skies and tailwinds to you Bro.
> > >
> > > --------
> > > Richard Pike
> > > Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> > > Kingsport, TN 3TN0
> > > There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, 'Thy will be
> done,' and
> > those
> > > to whom God says, 'All right, then, have it your way.'
> > >
> > >
> > > Read this topic online here:
> > >
> > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446130#446130
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________ Message 3
> _____________________________________
> > >
> > >
> > > Time: 08:23:15 PM PST US
> > > From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> > > Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: legs
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm certainly not the "procedure police", but I am and have
> > > been a member of the Kolb Builder and Flyers List for many
> > > years.
> > >
> > > I speak for myself and no one else.
> > >
> > > The best way to kill a good Kolb List is to ignore the
> > > posted guidelines, turning a List for serious builders and
> > > flyers of Kolb aircraft into a chat room. It is then no
> > > longer the Kolb List.
> > >
> > > Please have some respect for those of us that are "real"
> > > Kolb enthusiast. Some of you seem to do you damnedest to
> > > ruin our List.
> > >
> > > If you want to share subjects not Kolb related, take them
> > > somewhere else. Start a bull shit list for bull shit
> > > subjects.
> > >
> > > There are times traffic on the Kolb List is slow and
> > > nonexistent. That does not mean the List is dead. When
> > > someone has a problem or wants to share something Kolb, they
> > > will, and the conversations begin on that subject.
> > >
> > > Please do not destroy our Kolb List.
> > >
> > > john h
> > > Kolb MKIII, N101AB
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> > > [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> > > Patrick Ladd
> > > Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 10:38 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: legs
> > >
> > > <patrickjladd@hotmail.com>
> > >
> > > Come on you guys, there would seem to be some great stories
> > > out there. Lets have `em. Let the procedure police stew for
> > > while. Pat
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Brad Nation
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 4:04 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: legs
> > >
> > > <nationcap@comcast.net>
> > >
> > > Does an hour back seat ride in an A-7 with an emergency
> > > landing or taxi ride in a B-57G count?
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPad
> > >
> > > Brad
> > >
> > >> On Aug 10, 2015, at 09:37, Tom O'Hara
> > > <tohara@alphagraphics.com> wrote:
> > >> --> <tohara@alphagraphics.com>
> > >>
> > >> Okay, are we comparing who paid what for how many hours in
> > > what type
> > >> of aircraft? If so..... crossed the Alps in hot air.
> > > Left Murren,
> > >> flew
> > >> 5.75 hours, up to 19,500 ft. Dropper to 10' and flew the
> > > Eiger glacier.
> > >> Landed north of Lugano and could see all the way down the
> > > Italian boot.
> > >> At one point had a Swiss Air 747 doing a turn around us.
> > > Best day of
> > >> my
> > >> life---- with my pants on. Cost about $2200USD. That
> > > included meals
> > >> and a hotel for the night before. Lifted off with 120
> > > gallons of
> > >> propane and landed with less than 10--phew.
> > >>
> > >> Still love my Kolb!! Just think the Kolb is about 10x
> > > faster!
> > >>
> > >> Read this topic online here:
> > >>
> > >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=445771#445771
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > Photoshare, and much much more:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________ Message 4
> _____________________________________
> > >
> > >
> > > Time: 08:45:26 PM PST US
> > > From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> > > Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Primer Bulb
> > >
> > >
> > > Brother Pike:
> > >
> > > I have no doubt you will make the very best fuel line
> > > connections possible, no matter how many there are.
> > >
> > > I can assure you my 65 hp MKIII flew quite well with
> > > neoprene fuel line. Most folks know I build heavy
> > > airplanes, haul 25 gallons of fuel, and 100 or more pounds
> > > of gear when I go flying. I didn't encounter any problem
> > > flying to Lakeland, FL, Homer Kolb's house, and Oshkosh
> > > hauling all that load with 65 hp.
> > >
> > > I doubt very seriously you or your 65 hp MKIII would ever
> > > notice the difference in a few extra ounces.
> > >
> > > john h
> > > mkIII powered with 65, 80, and 100 (95 useable) HP engines.
> > > JBER, Anchorage, Alaska
> > >
> > > I guess if I had 100 hp on my MKIII I wouldn't care about
> > > hauling around extra ounces either, but since neoprene is
> > > heavier than aluminum fuel line, and I only have 65 hp to
> > > work with, I will use the good/light stuff and insure due
> > > diligence at my connections.
> > >
> > > Clear skies and tailwinds to you Bro.
> > >
> > > --------
> > > Richard Pike
> > > Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> > > Kingsport, TN 3TN0
> > > There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, 'Thy
> > > will be done,' and those to whom God says, 'All right, then,
> > > have it your way.'
> > >
> > >
> > > Read this topic online here:
> > >
> > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446130#446130
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Photoshare, and much much more:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________ Message 5
> _____________________________________
> > >
> > >
> > > Time: 10:08:16 PM PST US
> > > From: Herb <Herbgh@nctc.com>
> > > Subject: Kolb-List: fly safe...use a rubber...hose that is!!
> > >
> > >
> > > Pore ole Herb....I go into the auto parts store and ask for Gates fuel
> > > line...Most sell that particular brand...Neoprene seems to refer to the
> > > outside cover.. Three layers... good for 10% corn elixir... That what
> > > you buy..John?
> > >
> > > Wonder if Beauford gets his corn through a straw or gates hose?? :-)
> > >
> > > For all of those on the edge of their seats :-) ,,,,Just about
> > > ready to commit to the air...got caught in that 90% done 90% to go
> > > syndrome...and to be honest lots of things to do on my 35 acres... The
> > > Firefly is looking pretty good... Full enclosure is done...
> > >
> > > Wondering if the two blade 60 inch Warp Drive prop is going to be
> > > enough...? As I said before...I will trade a three blade,
> > > medium(503,582) Ivo for a three blade UL version... I like the
> > > smoothness of the IVO ..
> > >
> > > And....all my previous builds were completely done in Insignia
> > > White....so I have no experience in taping and trim painting....I want
> > > to do the Bryan Milborn standard paint job...quite similar to half of
> > > the Kolbs that are for sale on Barnstormers....The previous owner had
> > > painted the tail feathers in a trim scheme that looks close to
> Factory..
> > >
> > > Interesting that a so so Firefly for sale has an asking of 9k and a
> > > darn pretty one 25k!! I know well that my 1k john boat will catch as
> > > many fish as a 50K bass boat...:-) Maybe the 9k version does not come
> > > with a fishing pole? But I digress!
> > >
> > > The previous owner had painted the tail feathers in a trim scheme
> > > that looks close to Factory...
> > >
> > > I bought the standard, recommended 3M blue tape..and gathered up as
> > > much news paper that I might need... I was warned about the type of
> > > newspaper that has the small holes in it...
> > >
> > > I can see laying down the first line of blue tape then overlaying
> > > that with another line of tape which includes the blocking paper....
> > > need all the help that I can get... Herb in Ky
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________ Message 6
> _____________________________________
> > >
> > >
> > > Time: 11:17:00 PM PST US
> > > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: legs
> > > From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
> > >
> > > And if I may add to John's request, if you want to give a builder an
> atta
> > > boy, or signify your agreement with someone else's technical answer or
> > > anything that doesn't add some knowledge to the forum archives, please,
> > > PLEASE, put do not archive below your signature. This isn't my request,
> > > this is Matt's, it's in the user agreement we all sign to be members of
> > > this forum. The reason for not saving every last comment is simple,
> Matt's
> > > servers have a limited capacity. Go ahead and make whatever comment you
> > > think appropriate, but if it doesn't add to the technical database
> just add
> > > those three little words to your comment.
> > >
> > > Rick Girard
> > > do not archive
> > >
> > > On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 10:19 PM, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >> I'm certainly not the "procedure police", but I am and have
> > >> been a member of the Kolb Builder and Flyers List for many
> > >> years.
> > >>
> > >> I speak for myself and no one else.
> > >>
> > >> The best way to kill a good Kolb List is to ignore the
> > >> posted guidelines, turning a List for serious builders and
> > >> flyers of Kolb aircraft into a chat room. It is then no
> > >> longer the Kolb List.
> > >>
> > >> Please have some respect for those of us that are "real"
> > >> Kolb enthusiast. Some of you seem to do you damnedest to
> > >> ruin our List.
> > >>
> > >> If you want to share subjects not Kolb related, take them
> > >> somewhere else. Start a bull shit list for bull shit
> > >> subjects.
> > >>
> > >> There are times traffic on the Kolb List is slow and
> > >> nonexistent. That does not mean the List is dead. When
> > >> someone has a problem or wants to share something Kolb, they
> > >> will, and the conversations begin on that subject.
> > >>
> > >> Please do not destroy our Kolb List.
> > >>
> > >> john h
> > >> Kolb MKIII, N101AB
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> > >> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> > >> Patrick Ladd
> > >> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 10:38 AM
> > >> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> > >> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: legs
> > >>
> > >> <patrickjladd@hotmail.com>
> > >>
> > >> Come on you guys, there would seem to be some great stories
> > >> out there. Lets have `em. Let the procedure police stew for
> > >> while. Pat
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Brad Nation
> > >> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 4:04 AM
> > >> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> > >> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: legs
> > >>
> > >> <nationcap@comcast.net>
> > >>
> > >> Does an hour back seat ride in an A-7 with an emergency
> > >> landing or taxi ride in a B-57G count?
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my iPad
> > >>
> > >> Brad
> > >>
> > >>> On Aug 10, 2015, at 09:37, Tom O'Hara
> > >> <tohara@alphagraphics.com> wrote:
> > >>> --> <tohara@alphagraphics.com>
> > >>>
> > >>> Okay, are we comparing who paid what for how many hours in
> > >> what type
> > >>> of aircraft? If so..... crossed the Alps in hot air.
> > >> Left Murren,
> > >>> flew
> > >>> 5.75 hours, up to 19,500 ft. Dropper to 10' and flew the
> > >> Eiger glacier.
> > >>> Landed north of Lugano and could see all the way down the
> > >> Italian boot.
> > >>> At one point had a Swiss Air 747 doing a turn around us.
> > >> Best day of
> > >>> my
> > >>> life---- with my pants on. Cost about $2200USD. That
> > >> included meals
> > >>> and a hotel for the night before. Lifted off with 120
> > >> gallons of
> > >>> propane and landed with less than 10--phew.
> > >>>
> > >>> Still love my Kolb!! Just think the Kolb is about 10x
> > >> faster!
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Read this topic online here:
> > >>>
> > >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=445771#445771
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Photoshare, and much much more:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 9
> _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 07:12:37 PM PST US
> > From: Herb <Herbgh@nctc.com>
> > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Painting trim
> >
> > I bought the blue tape and gave it a try this evening...for the life of
> > me could not run a straight line across the top of the wing...!! Gave up
> > and put the puppy back in the garage...Think I will prevail on a buddy
> > who painted F4's for McDonald Douglas back in St Louis...Quite a step
> > down and I know he will have his nose in the air...but he owes me
> > one...:-) Herb
> >
> > On 08/20/2015 05:10 PM, GARY JINDRA wrote:
> > > They sell fine line tape for painting at the auto parts. It is very
> > > thin is plastic so it can be stretched to make curves. It has smooth
> > > edges that will not leave rough paint lines. You put it on first to
> > > get lines or designs then use blue painters tape on it. Spend the
> > > money to use good tape and paper if you want the best paint job you
> > > can do.
> > > */Gary Jindra
> > > /*
> > > */Mark 3c 912 ul/*
> > > */380 hours
> > > /*
> > > *//*
> > >
> > >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > *From:* Herb <Herbgh@nctc.com>
> > > *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com
> > > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 19, 2015 12:41 PM
> > > *Subject:* Re: Kolb-List: Painting trim
> > >
> > > <mailto:Herbgh@nctc.com>>
> > >
> > > Stuart
> > >
> > > I suspect that the print on the newspaper will bleed with the acetone
> > > and mek that is in the paint? Think I will buy some brown paper at one
> > > of the auto or hardware stores...Herb
> > >
> > > ps thanks for the procedure...Think I am good to go on the
> > > fuselage..will paint the wing leading edge outside...:-)
> > >
> > > On 08/19/2015 10:23 AM, Stuart Harner wrote:
> > > <stuart@harnerfarm.net <mailto:stuart@harnerfarm.net>>
> > > >
> > > > Herb,
> > > >
> > > > You are correct about putting the first layer of tape exactly on the
> > > line
> > > > you want. Then tape the paper down to the first tape with another
> > > layer of
> > > > tape. I know this takes twice as much tape but it is worth it just
> > > in the
> > > > ease of application. You can actually use plain old brown masking
> > > tape for
> > > > this and save a little $$. Usually I put all the first tape down
> > > before I
> > > > start putting the tape/paper down. That way you can stand back and
> > > "eyeball"
> > > > your work to see if it matches what you were planning. Sometimes
> > > tape gets
> > > > applied to the wrong side of the "line" and it is really hard to see
> > > that if
> > > > you have the masking paper in place.
> > > >
> > > > Looking at the first run of tape also helps identify any less than
> > > straight
> > > > areas. Much easier to lift and adjust a single line of tape than the
> > > whole
> > > > masked up edge.
> > > >
> > > > I found the local big box hardware store had brown masking paper in
> > > rolls up
> > > > to 12" wide. The local NAPA store had wider stock. I did not try
> > > newspapers
> > > > as there are lots of recommendations against that. Hopefully you
> > > won't have
> > > > any problems. Putting two or three layers of newspaper in the first
> > > 12" away
> > > > from the trim line would help absorb any overspray that may be
> > > heavier in
> > > > that area.
> > > >
> > > > Last piece of advice. Run your fingernail over all the tape where it
> > > > contacts the fabric just before you spray. That way there is nice
> fresh
> > > > tight contact between the tape and the fabric. This will help
> > > prevent the
> > > > new paint from creeping under the tape. Don't worry about the blue
> tape
> > > > sticking to the previous paint. As long as it has had a day or two
> > > to dry,
> > > > the blue tape will peel off nicely and not leave any residue. It can
> be
> > > > removed as soon as the paint on the tape is dry to the touch.
> > > >
> > > > Best of luck and post pictures when you get'er done!
> > > >
> > > > Stuart
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > <snip>
> > > > I bought the standard, recommended 3M blue tape..and gathered up
> > > as much
> > > > news paper that I might need... I was warned about the type of
> newspaper
> > > > that has the small holes in it...
> > > >
> > > > I can see laying down the first line of blue tape then overlaying
> > > that
> > > > with another line of tape which includes the blocking paper....
> > > > need all the help that I can get...
> > > Her://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List"
> > > target="_blank">http://www.matr -->
> > > <http://www.matronics.com/contribution>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
> > > http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 10
> ____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 07:15:23 PM PST US
> > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: legs
> > From: "Flylawnchairs" <Flylawnchairs@gmail.com>
> >
> >
> > Very cool brad !
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446223#446223
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 08/20/15 |
lcottrell wrote:
> . . .S N I P . . . For crying out loud, don't read the damn thing if
it bothers you that much. You can even go so far as to block his messages to
your email, but I have found him to be helpful. Go do something worth while, wash
your plane or something.enough for crying out loud,
> Larry
> . . . . S N I P . . .
>
At the risk of offending someone......
To you Larry, I say AMEN
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I am working on becoming a member...dang long apprenticeship
unfortunately!! :-) To become an accepted member would highlight my ,
til now, average aviation hobby...:-) Plus...I need a dispensation
from my minister, allowing me to join...!! :-)
On the Kolb side...I rolled the Firefly back in the garage...and
called my buddy for some help with stripping and adding color...I think
I have been bested!! Herb
On 08/21/2015 12:26 PM, henry.voris wrote:
>
> Herb... If you became a member of the list, other members would have you eMail
address & could eMail you privately & tell you how to attach your "byline" to
your posts... Just a thought...
>
> Aloha,
>
> --------
> Henry
> Firefly Five-Charlie-Bravo
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446249#446249
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| Subject: | Re: Procedure police |
Perhaps my previous post on a couple of back seat rides has inspired some of the
recent posts concerning Kolb relatedness. Please allow me to correct my post.
Bla bla bla bla back seat ride in non Kolb aircraft bla bla bla. Bla bla bla
bla another back seat ride in another non Kolb aircraft bla bla bla. Even though
both of these aircraft were not Kolb aircraft I had a great time and I still
enjoy flying, riding in, and reading about Kolb airplanes and I am sure my dad
(who was the pilot of the B-57) would love flying a Kolb as well.
Now the corrected post is a Kolb post as Kolb is mentioned not just once but five
times.
Thank you very much.
Make it a great day.
Reduce your stress, go fly.
Brad
> On Aug 19, 2015, at 03:23, Patrick Ladd <patrickjladd@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> John,
> you took so long jumping on this one I thought you must be on a Xcountry somewhere
and out of touch.
> Yes it is a Kolb list, not exclusively a Kolb BUILDERS list, but a list for Kolb
owners and flyers. Surprisingly there are some listers who are not enthused
by the never ending discussion of adding primer bulbs and pumps to an engine
which works perfectly well straight from the makers without them. Fine if that
is what turns you on. But there are others who would like to talk about flying
occasionally. See how popular the flying videos are. People have adventures,
mischances, experiences which are not only interesting but often instructive
of the `I learned about flying from that` genre. Your own stories of your Xcountries
are fascinating if a little too short. When I was dithering about my
proposed Spitfire flight several listers posted urging me to go for it and TELL
THE LIST ABOUT IT AFTERWARDS. A few yarns about something other than how to
straighten gear legs will not signal the end of the list as we know it. It will
be a short diversion and then we shall be back to the usual fare. No one wishes
to change the basic format of the list, it has survived and proved itself,
but it would be interesting to hear other listers flying experiences sometimes.
> Cheers
>
> Pat
> -----Original Message----- From: John Hauck
> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 4:19 AM
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: legs
>
>
> I'm certainly not the "procedure police", but I am and have
> been a member of the Kolb Builder and Flyers List for many
> years.
>
> I speak for myself and no one else.
>
> The best way to kill a good Kolb List is to ignore the
> posted guidelines, turning a List for serious builders and
> flyers of Kolb aircraft into a chat room. It is then no
> longer the Kolb List.
>
> Please have some respect for those of us that are "real"
> Kolb enthusiast. Some of you seem to do you damnedest to
> ruin our List.
>
> If you want to share subjects not Kolb related, take them
> somewhere else. Start a bull shit list for bull shit
> subjects.
>
> There are times traffic on the Kolb List is slow and
> nonexistent. That does not mean the List is dead. When
> someone has a problem or wants to share something Kolb, they
> will, and the conversations begin on that subject.
>
> Please do not destroy our Kolb List.
>
> john h
> Kolb MKIII, N101AB
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Patrick Ladd
> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 10:38 AM
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: legs
>
> <patrickjladd@hotmail.com>
>
> Come on you guys, there would seem to be some great stories
> out there. Lets have `em. Let the procedure police stew for
> while. Pat
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brad Nation
> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 4:04 AM
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: legs
>
> <nationcap@comcast.net>
>
> Does an hour back seat ride in an A-7 with an emergency
> landing or taxi ride in a B-57G count?
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> Brad
>
>> On Aug 10, 2015, at 09:37, Tom O'Hara
> <tohara@alphagraphics.com> wrote:
>>
>> --> <tohara@alphagraphics.com>
>>
>> Okay, are we comparing who paid what for how many hours in
> what type
>> of aircraft? If so..... crossed the Alps in hot air.
> Left Murren,
>> flew
>> 5.75 hours, up to 19,500 ft. Dropper to 10' and flew the
> Eiger glacier.
>> Landed north of Lugano and could see all the way down the
> Italian boot.
>> At one point had a Swiss Air 747 doing a turn around us.
> Best day of
>> my
>> life---- with my pants on. Cost about $2200USD. That
> included meals
>> and a hotel for the night before. Lifted off with 120
> gallons of
>> propane and landed with less than 10--phew.
>>
>> Still love my Kolb!! Just think the Kolb is about 10x
> faster!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=445771#445771
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> =
> Photoshare, and much much more:
> =
> =
> =
>
>
>
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