---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 08/24/15: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:22 AM - Re: Re: new video (Patrick Ladd) 2. 02:57 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 08/23/15 (Theodore Cowan) 3. 07:15 AM - Re: Flying Mark III with no doors. (Richard Pike) 4. 06:01 PM - Re: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 08/20/15 (Brad Nation) 5. 06:39 PM - Re: Re: Flying Mark III with no doors. (Dee LeBlanc) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:22:10 AM PST US From: Patrick Ladd Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: new video Hi Larry, I remember about 70 years ago when I was in the Boy Scouts. We were camping by the side of a river and a farmer came and asked for our help in extricating a cow. It had fallen down a steep bank into the soft mud on the rivers edge. The whole troop, about 12 of us plus the farmers couple of hands got a rope round the horns and dragged the cow up the bank. It was too exhausted even to get up on its legs. i shall never understand how we rescued the poor thing without pulling its head off. Pat From: Larry Cottrell Sent: Monday, August 24, 2015 2:11 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: new video They have to saddle up a couple of horses, ride over there and pull them out. This one was close to the bank, so they could get close enough to it to be able to rope it from horse back. One of the big Cows that I found was so far out, they couldn't get close to it with the horse. So one of the guy's went out and tossed a loop over its head. We ran the winch of my quad out as far as I could, and winched it out of the mud. The ground in that area is full of little artesian wells. If no one finds them they either die in a couple of days or the Coyotes chew on them till they die.This particular cow only had her head showing above the mud. Larry On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 6:59 PM, west1m wrote: What happens? Do the calves just sink in the mud? Keep the videos coming! [quote="lcottrell"]https://vimeo.com/137028167 (https://vimeo.com/137028167?utm_source=email&utm_medium=clip-transco de_complete-finished-20120100&utm_campaign=7701&email_id=Y2xpcF90cmFu c2NvZGVkfGYyZGRjZjc1YzMyN2UwYzVkOTUwZGJjNWY3OTEyMDk2NzAzfDc2NDA2NDl8MTQ0M DI4Njk0Nnw3NzAx) password - owyheeflyer I have talked many times about checking my neighbors place for Cows stuck in his "Pothole" field. Today it paid off. My cost for flying- $3.00, his savings- $1200.00 Helping a neighbor- priceless. Larry -- If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending. > [b] -------- West1m Hastings, MN Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446303#446303 ========== -List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List ========== FORUMS - eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com ========== b Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== -- If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:57:48 AM PST US From: Theodore Cowan Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 08/23/15 I have a kolb slingshot. It has an even higher seat. I put a bolt on fold up motorcycle road peg on the gear. Works great. Also have a seven rib firestar completely rebuilt, registered ready to fly. 503. $8500. Ted Cowan. 334-332-3457 Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 24, 2015, at 2:02 AM, Kolb-List Digest Server wrote: > > * > > ================================================= > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================= > > Today's complete Kolb-List Digest can also be found in either of the > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes > and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version > of the Kolb-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor > such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 15-08-23&Archive=Kolb > > Text Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 15-08-23&Archive=Kolb > > > =============================================== > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > =============================================== > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Kolb-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Sun 08/23/15: 6 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > 1. 03:18 AM - Re: new video (Patrick Ladd) > 2. 05:59 PM - Re: new video (west1m) > 3. 06:12 PM - Re: Re: new video (Larry Cottrell) > 4. 06:53 PM - Flying Mark III with no doors. (Dee One) > 5. 09:06 PM - Step on gear leg? (Nick Cassara) > 6. 11:30 PM - Re: new video (lownslow) > > > > ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 03:18:11 AM PST US > From: Patrick Ladd > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: new video > > Looked a lovely day for flying. Nice one. Pat > > From: Larry Cottrell > Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 1:20 AM > Subject: Kolb-List: new video > > https://vimeo.com/137028167 password - owyheeflyer > > I have talked many times about checking my neighbors place for Cows > stuck in his "Pothole" field. Today it paid off. My cost for flying- > $3.00, his savings- $1200.00 Helping a neighbor- priceless. > Larry > > > -- > > If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email > address before sending. > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 05:59:55 PM PST US > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: new video > From: "west1m" > > > What happens? Do the calves just sink in the mud? > > Keep the videos coming! > > > [quote="lcottrell"]https://vimeo.com/137028167 (https://vimeo.com/137028167?utm_source=email&utm_medium=clip-transcode_complete-finished-20120100&utm_campaign=7701&email_id=Y2xpcF90cmFuc2NvZGVkfGYyZGRjZjc1YzMyN2UwYzVkOTUwZGJjNWY3OTEyMDk2NzAzfDc2NDA2NDl8MTQ0MDI4Njk0Nnw3NzAx) > password - owyheeflyer > > I have talked many times about checking my neighbors place for Cows stuck in his > "Pothole" field. Today it paid off. My cost for flying- $3.00, his savings- > $1200.00 Helping a neighbor- priceless. > Larry > > -- > If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before > sending. > > >> [b] > > > -------- > West1m > Hastings, MN > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446303#446303 > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 06:12:57 PM PST US > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: new video > From: Larry Cottrell > > They have to saddle up a couple of horses, ride over there and pull them > out. This one was close to the bank, so they could get close enough to it > to be able to rope it from horse back. One of the big Cows that I found was > so far out, they couldn't get close to it with the horse. So one of the > guy's went out and tossed a loop over its head. We ran the winch of my quad > out as far as I could, and winched it out of the mud. > > The ground in that area is full of little artesian wells. If no one finds > them they either die in a couple of days or the Coyotes chew on them till > they die.This particular cow only had her head showing above the mud. > Larry > >> On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 6:59 PM, west1m wrote: >> >> >> What happens? Do the calves just sink in the mud? >> >> Keep the videos coming! >> >> >> [quote="lcottrell"]https://vimeo.com/137028167 ( >> https://vimeo.com/137028167?utm_source=email&utm_medium=clip-transcode_complete-finished-20120100&utm_campaign=7701&email_id=Y2xpcF90cmFuc2NvZGVkfGYyZGRjZjc1YzMyN2UwYzVkOTUwZGJjNWY3OTEyMDk2NzAzfDc2NDA2NDl8MTQ0MDI4Njk0Nnw3NzAx) >> password - owyheeflyer >> >> I have talked many times about checking my neighbors place for Cows stuck >> in his "Pothole" field. Today it paid off. My cost for flying- $3.00, his >> savings- $1200.00 Helping a neighbor- priceless. >> Larry >> >> -- >> If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email >> address before sending. >> >> >>> [b] >> >> >> -------- >> West1m >> Hastings, MN >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446303#446303 > > > -- > *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email > address before sending.* > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 06:53:06 PM PST US > Subject: Kolb-List: Flying Mark III with no doors. > From: "Dee One" > > > I've taught flying for 20 years out of a Kolb Twister; i.e. completely open cockpit. > Currently rebuilding a Mk3. I'm contemplating flying the Mk3 with the doors > off via removing the wire on the piano hinges. This should provide more of > an open-cockpit experience for the summer months. > > My question is: What's your experience flying with doors removed from the Mk3? > Any adverse handling characteristics besides more drag? Thanks for your feedback. > > Dee > > -------- > The Past is History > The Future is a Mystery > Today is a Gift > Thats Why They Call it the Present > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446308#446308 > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 09:06:00 PM PST US > From: Nick Cassara > Subject: Kolb-List: Step on gear leg? > > > Hello Kolb builders and Flyers, > > I am still working on my Kolbra Prototype rebuild. I have a picture of the plane > when the company first built it, and bolted on the right gear leg there in a > little step. The plane has tall gear and there is good reason for that step. > The step does not look like a one off and has gold finish on it. Travis was never > able to figure out where it came from or what happened to it, and I have never > found one in a catalog. Has anyone ever seen a bolt on step, that would fit > on a Kolb gear leg? > > Thanks as always, > > Nick Cassara > Palmer, Alaska > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 11:30:00 PM PST US > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: new video > From: "lownslow" > > > what a fun way to help out a neighbor! way to go Larry! love the people on this > list; you are a special bunch of folk! > > lookin' forward to getting my mark 3 flying! > > Mike > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446323#446323 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:15:43 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Flying Mark III with no doors. From: "Richard Pike" Tried it once, no change in flying characteristics, but the amount of wind drawn through by the shape of the cockpit was incredible. I suggest half doors, which is what I use in the summer. Open cockpit without the wind. It is easy enough to have 2 sets of doors; one set for the winter, one for the summer. -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Would you consider yourself to be a good person? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWcDXT6pH7A Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446339#446339 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1040729_small_535.jpg ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:01:12 PM PST US From: Brad Nation Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 08/20/15 Hear hear. Well said Mr. Cottrell. For cryn out loud, get over your self and grow some thicker skin. Brad ___________________________ =9CFreedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free.=9D -- President Ronald Reagan > On Aug 21, 2015, at 19:08 , Larry Cottrell wrote: > > I have been known to be rude to Jehovah Witnesses, but they were pushy. I also have never felt the need to have a tag line other than "Do not archive", but I am having a hard time understanding why Richards tag line bothers you all to the point that you have to berate him for it. For crying out loud, don't read the damn thing if it bothers you that much. You can even go so far as to block his messages to your email, but I have found him to be helpful. Go do something worth while, wash your plane or something. > enough for crying out loud, > Larry > > On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Tim Hrib > wrote: > may an Atheist reply? > I find all religion to be nothing more than fairy tale. my concern here is - what does anyone's religious beliefs haave to do with Kolb ultralights? ... Tim > > > > > ---------------------- > > > > 1. 08:35 AM - Re: Edit Subject Line (Jason Omelchuck) > > 2. 08:53 AM - Re: Re: Edit Subject Line (Herb) > > 3. 09:26 AM - Re: do not archive (Airknocker) > > 4. 09:41 AM - Re: do not archive (Matt Dralle) > > 5. 02:47 PM - Re: Re: do not archive (Stuart Harner) > > 6. 03:10 PM - Re: Painting trim (GARY JINDRA) > > 7. 05:55 PM - Re: Edit Subject Line (Richard Pike) > > 8. 06:07 PM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 08/18/15 (Ed Hase) > > 9. 07:12 PM - Re: Painting trim (Herb) > > 10. 07:15 PM - Re: legs (Flylawnchairs) > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ > > > > > > Time: 08:35:25 AM PST US > > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Edit Subject Line > > From: "Jason Omelchuck" > > > > > > > Richard P. > > > > If you believe this tag line > > > > "There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, 'Thy will be done,' and > > those to whom God says, 'All right, then, have it your way.'" > > > > Is kind, generous and loving I believe you have a ways to go to be like the gentleman > > in the video. > > > > FWIW > > Jason > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446189#446189 > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ > > > > > > Time: 08:53:19 AM PST US > > From: Herb > > > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Edit Subject Line > > > > > > I have met Brother Pike...a fine gentleman! Instantly likeable.... > > > > Richard is tops in my book for contributing unselfishly to the > > list... I have learned a lot reading his post... > > > > Finally...when Richard and millions like him...are gone,,,what then ? > > > > My byline if I could figure how to do it...would be " The most > > dangerous man in America; Any honest man with principle"!! Herb > > > > Little more Tolerance would not hurt... > > On 08/20/2015 10:34 AM, Jason Omelchuck wrote: > > > > > > Richard P. > > > > > > If you believe this tag line > > > > > > "There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, 'Thy will be done,' and > > those to whom God says, 'All right, then, have it your way.'" > > > > > > Is kind, generous and loving I believe you have a ways to go to be like the gentleman > > in the video. > > > > > > FWIW > > > Jason > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446189#446189 > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ > > > > > > Time: 09:26:22 AM PST US > > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: do not archive > > From: "Airknocker" > > > > > > > FYI a search on the word "archive" just pulled this post up. > > > > I guess all those who type "do not archive" are just wasting electrons. > > [Wink] > > > > -------- > > "I don't care, I'm still free. You can't take the sky from me" - Josh > > Wedon > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446193#446193 > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ > > > > > > Time: 09:41:43 AM PST US > > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: do not archive > > From: "Matt Dralle" > > > > > > > The Do Not Archive flag only applies to the Email distribution of the List form > > data, namely the historic List data you would find here: > > > > http://www.matronics.com/archives > > > > It doesn't really apply to the Forums version of the Lists because the data on > > the Forums isn't really "archived" per say. > > > > Matt Dralle > > Matronics List Admin > > > > -------- > > Matt Dralle > > Matronics Email List Administrator > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446194#446194 > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ > > > > > > Time: 02:47:03 PM PST US > > From: "Stuart Harner" > > > Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: do not archive > > > > > > Matt, > > > > Inside baseball curiosity here. > > > > So there are two databases of messages? > > > > The forum database that is complete and gets searched by the search > > function, then the archive database that is the truncated (missing the "do > > not archive" messages)? > > > > With all the forums you host there must be multiple servers with raid arrays > > I am guessing? > > > > Stuart > > IT guy in a past life. > > > > Do not archive > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com ] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle > > Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2015 11:41 AM > > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: do not archive > > > > > > The Do Not Archive flag only applies to the Email distribution of the List > > form data, namely the historic List data you would find here: > > > > http://www.matronics.com/archives > > > > It doesn't really apply to the Forums version of the Lists because the data > > on the Forums isn't really "archived" per say. > > > > Matt Dralle > > Matronics List Admin > > > > -------- > > Matt Dralle > > Matronics Email List Administrator > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446194#446194 > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ > > > > > > Time: 03:10:53 PM PST US > > From: GARY JINDRA > > > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Painting trim > > > > =C2-They sell fine line tape for painting at the auto parts. It is very t > > hin is plastic so it can be stretched to make curves. It has smooth edges t > > hat will not leave rough paint lines. You put it on first to get lines or d > > esigns then use blue painters tape on it. Spend the money to use good tape > > and paper if you want the best paint job you can do.=C2-Gary Jindra=C2- > > =C2-=C2- > > Mark 3c 912 ul380 hours > > > > > > From: Herb > > > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > > Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 12:41 PM > > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Painting trim > > > > > > Stuart > > > > =C2- I suspect that the print on the newspaper will bleed with the aceton > > e > > and mek that is in the paint?=C2- Think I will buy some brown paper at on > > e > > of the auto or hardware stores...Herb > > > > ps thanks for the procedure...Think I am good to go on the > > fuselage..will paint the wing leading edge outside...:-) > > > > On 08/19/2015 10:23 AM, Stuart Harner wrote: > > > > > > Herb, > > > > > > You are correct about putting the first layer of tape exactly on the line > > > you want. Then tape the paper down to the first tape with another layer o > > f > > > tape. I know this takes twice as much tape but it is worth it just in the > > > ease of application.=C2- You can actually use plain old brown masking t > > ape for > > > this and save a little $$. Usually I put all the first tape down before I > > > start putting the tape/paper down. That way you can stand back and "eyeba > > ll" > > > your work to see if it matches what you were planning. Sometimes tape get > > s > > > applied to the wrong side of the "line" and it is really hard to see that > > if > > > you have the masking paper in place. > > > > > > Looking at the first run of tape also helps identify any less than straig > > ht > > > areas. Much easier to lift and adjust a single line of tape than the whol > > e > > > masked up edge. > > > > > > I found the local big box hardware store had brown masking paper in rolls > > up > > > to 12" wide. The local NAPA store had wider stock. I did not try newspape > > rs > > > as there are lots of recommendations against that. Hopefully you won't ha > > ve > > > any problems. Putting two or three layers of newspaper in the first 12" a > > way > > > from the trim line would help absorb any overspray that may be heavier in > > > that area. > > > > > > Last piece of advice. Run your fingernail over all the tape where it > > > contacts the fabric just before you spray. That way there is nice fresh > > > tight contact between the tape and the fabric. This will help prevent the > > > new paint from creeping under the tape. Don't worry about the blue tape > > > sticking to the previous paint. As long as it has had a day or two to dry > > , > > > the blue tape will peel off nicely and not leave any residue. It can be > > > removed as soon as the paint on the tape is dry to the touch. > > > > > > Best of luck and post pictures when you get'er done! > > > > > > Stuart > > > > > > > > > > > >=C2- =C2- I bought the standard, recommended 3M blue tape..and gathere > > d up as much > > > news paper that I might need... I was warned about the type of newspaper > > > that has the small holes in it... > > > > > >=C2- =C2- I can see laying down the first line of blue tape then overl > > aying that > > > with another line of tape which includes the blocking paper.... > > > need all the help that I can get...=C2- Herb in Ky > > > > > > > > > > > > S - > > - > > =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ > > > > > > Time: 05:55:12 PM PST US > > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Edit Subject Line > > From: "Richard Pike" > > > > > > > > > Jason Omelchuck wrote: > > > Richard P. > > > > > > If you believe this tag line > > > > > > "There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, 'Thy will be done,' and > > those to whom God says, 'All right, then, have it your way.'" > > > > > > Is kind, generous and loving I believe you have a ways to go to be like the gentleman > > in the video. > > > > > > FWIW > > > Jason > > > > > > I have a long ways to go to be like any number of gentlemen. Just a sinner saved > > by grace. Never claimed to be any more than that. Definitely a work in progress, > > and not always doing all that well. > > So how's it going with you? > > > > -------- > > Richard Pike > > Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > Kingsport, TN 3TN0 > > > > Would you consider yourself to be a good person? > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWcDXT6pH7A > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446218#446218 > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ > > > > > > Time: 06:07:57 PM PST US > > From: Ed Hase > > > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 08/18/15 > > > > > > Please remove me > > > > On 8/19/2015 2:02 AM, Kolb-List Digest Server wrote: > > > * > > > > > > ======================= > > > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > > > ======================= > > > > > > Today's complete Kolb-List Digest can also be found in either of the > > > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted > > > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes > > > and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version > > > of the Kolb-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor > > > such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > > > > > HTML Version: > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&C hapter 15-08-18&Archive=Kolb > > > > > > Text Version: > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Ch apter 15-08-18&Archive=Kolb > > > > > > > > > ===================== > > > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > > > ===================== > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > Kolb-List Digest Archive > > > --- > > > Total Messages Posted Tue 08/18/15: 6 > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > Today's Message Index: > > > ---------------------- > > > > > > 1. 07:55 PM - Re: Re: Primer Bulb (John Hauck) > > > 2. 08:21 PM - Re: Primer Bulb (Richard Pike) > > > 3. 08:23 PM - Re: Re: legs (John Hauck) > > > 4. 08:45 PM - Re: Re: Primer Bulb (John Hauck) > > > 5. 10:08 PM - fly safe...use a rubber...hose that is!! (Herb) > > > 6. 11:17 PM - Re: Re: legs (Richard Girard) > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ > > > > > > > > > Time: 07:55:52 PM PST US > > > From: "John Hauck" > > > > Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Primer Bulb > > > > > > > > > I've used Gates neoprene fuel like for all three of my Kolbs > > > over a 30+ year span. Found out early on plastic line is a > > > failure waiting to happen. First failure was the fuel pump > > > pulse line. Fortunately I found it on the ground. > > > > > > I use straight neoprene fuel line for all fuel deliver, > > > drains, and vent tubes. Adding aluminum lines to replace > > > sections of neoprene is probably ok, but adds a lot of > > > additional connections, usually where a possible failure > > > could occur. > > > > > > Keep it simple. > > > > > > john h > > > JBER, Anchorage, Alaska > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com > > > [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com ] On Behalf Of > > > Richard Pike > > > Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 5:19 AM > > > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Primer Bulb > > > > > > --> > > > > > > > Hate to be the duty curmudgeon, but I had a couple problems > > > with Heavenbound Aviation's guide. > > > One is that he pictures a fuel filter with a paper filtering > > > element. Will that still allow gas to flow through it if it > > > gets a dose of water? > > > > > > If you use a good quality filter in your tank, then you can > > > use an inline bronze filter in a transparent case with out > > > any worries. The best tank filter/pickup is a replacement > > > for the ones that go on in-tank car fuel pumps, they are > > > fine mesh nylon, very large with lots of surface area, and > > > pretty cheap. > > > > > > His description and pictures of using safety wire as a fuel > > > line clamp is simply wrong. He uses one wrap and a straight > > > twist. One wrap fails to secure part of one side, and a > > > straight end is a good way to jab yourself and bleed all > > > over your airplane every time you get near your fuel system. > > > Double wrap and bend the end over like in the attached > > > photo. (found that old filter & line in the scrap bin) > > > > > > Finally, I suggest never using blue urethane line for > > > anything, period. Soft aluminum fuel line from Aircraft > > > Spruce is cheaper and lasts forever if properly installed. > > > Blue urethane can look good and feel soft, and break without > > > warning. (Guess how I know this?) Good grade NAPA fuel line > > > will still look good on the outside after many years and > > > does not deteriorate, I use that where the aluminum line > > > ends to connect to the carbs, fuel pump, etc. > > > > > > Worth what ya paid for it. > > > > > > -------- > > > Richard Pike > > > Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > > Kingsport, TN 3TN0 > > > There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, 'Thy > > > will be done,' and those to whom God says, 'All right, then, > > > have it your way.' > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446069#446069 > > > > > > > > > Attachments: > > > > > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1040718_small_157.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > Photoshare, and much much more: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ > > > > > > > > > Time: 08:21:07 PM PST US > > > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Primer Bulb > > > From: "Richard Pike" > > > > > > > > > > John Hauck wrote: > > >> > > >> Adding aluminum lines to replace sections of neoprene is probably ok, but adds > > > a lot of additional connections, usually where a possible failure > > >> could occur. > > >> > > >> Keep it simple. > > >> > > >> john h > > >> JBER, Anchorage, Alaska > > >> > > >> -- > > > > > > I guess if I had 100 hp on my MKIII I wouldn't care about hauling around extra > > > ounces either, but since neoprene is heavier than aluminum fuel line, and I only > > > have 65 hp to work with, I will use the good/light stuff and insure due diligence > > > at my connections. > > > > > > Clear skies and tailwinds to you Bro. > > > > > > -------- > > > Richard Pike > > > Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > > Kingsport, TN 3TN0 > > > There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, 'Thy will be done,' and > > those > > > to whom God says, 'All right, then, have it your way.' > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446130#446130 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ > > > > > > > > > Time: 08:23:15 PM PST US > > > From: "John Hauck" > > > > Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: legs > > > > > > > > > I'm certainly not the "procedure police", but I am and have > > > been a member of the Kolb Builder and Flyers List for many > > > years. > > > > > > I speak for myself and no one else. > > > > > > The best way to kill a good Kolb List is to ignore the > > > posted guidelines, turning a List for serious builders and > > > flyers of Kolb aircraft into a chat room. It is then no > > > longer the Kolb List. > > > > > > Please have some respect for those of us that are "real" > > > Kolb enthusiast. Some of you seem to do you damnedest to > > > ruin our List. > > > > > > If you want to share subjects not Kolb related, take them > > > somewhere else. Start a bull shit list for bull shit > > > subjects. > > > > > > There are times traffic on the Kolb List is slow and > > > nonexistent. That does not mean the List is dead. When > > > someone has a problem or wants to share something Kolb, they > > > will, and the conversations begin on that subject. > > > > > > Please do not destroy our Kolb List. > > > > > > john h > > > Kolb MKIII, N101AB > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com > > > [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com ] On Behalf Of > > > Patrick Ladd > > > Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 10:38 AM > > > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: legs > > > > > > > > > > > > > Come on you guys, there would seem to be some great stories > > > out there. Lets have `em. Let the procedure police stew for > > > while. Pat > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Brad Nation > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 4:04 AM > > > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: legs > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does an hour back seat ride in an A-7 with an emergency > > > landing or taxi ride in a B-57G count? > > > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > > > Brad > > > > > >> On Aug 10, 2015, at 09:37, Tom O'Hara > > > > wrote: > > >> --> > > > >> > > >> Okay, are we comparing who paid what for how many hours in > > > what type > > >> of aircraft? If so..... crossed the Alps in hot air. > > > Left Murren, > > >> flew > > >> 5.75 hours, up to 19,500 ft. Dropper to 10' and flew the > > > Eiger glacier. > > >> Landed north of Lugano and could see all the way down the > > > Italian boot. > > >> At one point had a Swiss Air 747 doing a turn around us. > > > Best day of > > >> my > > >> life---- with my pants on. Cost about $2200USD. That > > > included meals > > >> and a hotel for the night before. Lifted off with 120 > > > gallons of > > >> propane and landed with less than 10--phew. > > >> > > >> Still love my Kolb!! Just think the Kolb is about 10x > > > faster! > > >> > > >> Read this topic online here: > > >> > > >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=445771#445771 > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > Photoshare, and much much more: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ > > > > > > > > > Time: 08:45:26 PM PST US > > > From: "John Hauck" > > > > Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Primer Bulb > > > > > > > > > Brother Pike: > > > > > > I have no doubt you will make the very best fuel line > > > connections possible, no matter how many there are. > > > > > > I can assure you my 65 hp MKIII flew quite well with > > > neoprene fuel line. Most folks know I build heavy > > > airplanes, haul 25 gallons of fuel, and 100 or more pounds > > > of gear when I go flying. I didn't encounter any problem > > > flying to Lakeland, FL, Homer Kolb's house, and Oshkosh > > > hauling all that load with 65 hp. > > > > > > I doubt very seriously you or your 65 hp MKIII would ever > > > notice the difference in a few extra ounces. > > > > > > john h > > > mkIII powered with 65, 80, and 100 (95 useable) HP engines. > > > JBER, Anchorage, Alaska > > > > > > I guess if I had 100 hp on my MKIII I wouldn't care about > > > hauling around extra ounces either, but since neoprene is > > > heavier than aluminum fuel line, and I only have 65 hp to > > > work with, I will use the good/light stuff and insure due > > > diligence at my connections. > > > > > > Clear skies and tailwinds to you Bro. > > > > > > -------- > > > Richard Pike > > > Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > > Kingsport, TN 3TN0 > > > There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, 'Thy > > > will be done,' and those to whom God says, 'All right, then, > > > have it your way.' > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446130#446130 > > > > > > > > > > > > Photoshare, and much much more: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ > > > > > > > > > Time: 10:08:16 PM PST US > > > From: Herb > > > > Subject: Kolb-List: fly safe...use a rubber...hose that is!! > > > > > > > > > Pore ole Herb....I go into the auto parts store and ask for Gates fuel > > > line...Most sell that particular brand...Neoprene seems to refer to the > > > outside cover.. Three layers... good for 10% corn elixir... That what > > > you buy..John? > > > > > > Wonder if Beauford gets his corn through a straw or gates hose?? :-) > > > > > > For all of those on the edge of their seats :-) ,,,,Just about > > > ready to commit to the air...got caught in that 90% done 90% to go > > > syndrome...and to be honest lots of things to do on my 35 acres... The > > > Firefly is looking pretty good... Full enclosure is done... > > > > > > Wondering if the two blade 60 inch Warp Drive prop is going to be > > > enough...? As I said before...I will trade a three blade, > > > medium(503,582) Ivo for a three blade UL version... I like the > > > smoothness of the IVO .. > > > > > > And....all my previous builds were completely done in Insignia > > > White....so I have no experience in taping and trim painting....I want > > > to do the Bryan Milborn standard paint job...quite similar to half of > > > the Kolbs that are for sale on Barnstormers....The previous owner had > > > painted the tail feathers in a trim scheme that looks close to Factory.. > > > > > > Interesting that a so so Firefly for sale has an asking of 9k and a > > > darn pretty one 25k!! I know well that my 1k john boat will catch as > > > many fish as a 50K bass boat...:-) Maybe the 9k version does not come > > > with a fishing pole? But I digress! > > > > > > The previous owner had painted the tail feathers in a trim scheme > > > that looks close to Factory... > > > > > > I bought the standard, recommended 3M blue tape..and gathered up as > > > much news paper that I might need... I was warned about the type of > > > newspaper that has the small holes in it... > > > > > > I can see laying down the first line of blue tape then overlaying > > > that with another line of tape which includes the blocking paper.... > > > need all the help that I can get... Herb in Ky > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ > > > > > > > > > Time: 11:17:00 PM PST US > > > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: legs > > > From: Richard Girard > > > > > > > And if I may add to John's request, if you want to give a builder an atta > > > boy, or signify your agreement with someone else's technical answer or > > > anything that doesn't add some knowledge to the forum archives, please, > > > PLEASE, put do not archive below your signature. This isn't my request, > > > this is Matt's, it's in the user agreement we all sign to be members of > > > this forum. The reason for not saving every last comment is simple, Matt's > > > servers have a limited capacity. Go ahead and make whatever comment you > > > think appropriate, but if it doesn't add to the technical database just add > > > those three little words to your comment. > > > > > > Rick Girard > > > do not archive > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 10:19 PM, John Hauck > wrote: > > > > > >> I'm certainly not the "procedure police", but I am and have > > >> been a member of the Kolb Builder and Flyers List for many > > >> years. > > >> > > >> I speak for myself and no one else. > > >> > > >> The best way to kill a good Kolb List is to ignore the > > >> posted guidelines, turning a List for serious builders and > > >> flyers of Kolb aircraft into a chat room. It is then no > > >> longer the Kolb List. > > >> > > >> Please have some respect for those of us that are "real" > > >> Kolb enthusiast. Some of you seem to do you damnedest to > > >> ruin our List. > > >> > > >> If you want to share subjects not Kolb related, take them > > >> somewhere else. Start a bull shit list for bull shit > > >> subjects. > > >> > > >> There are times traffic on the Kolb List is slow and > > >> nonexistent. That does not mean the List is dead. When > > >> someone has a problem or wants to share something Kolb, they > > >> will, and the conversations begin on that subject. > > >> > > >> Please do not destroy our Kolb List. > > >> > > >> john h > > >> Kolb MKIII, N101AB > > >> > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com > > >> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com ] On Behalf Of > > >> Patrick Ladd > > >> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 10:38 AM > > >> To: kolb-list@matronics.com > > >> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: legs > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> Come on you guys, there would seem to be some great stories > > >> out there. Lets have `em. Let the procedure police stew for > > >> while. Pat > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: Brad Nation > > >> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 4:04 AM > > >> To: kolb-list@matronics.com > > >> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: legs > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> Does an hour back seat ride in an A-7 with an emergency > > >> landing or taxi ride in a B-57G count? > > >> > > >> Sent from my iPad > > >> > > >> Brad > > >> > > >>> On Aug 10, 2015, at 09:37, Tom O'Hara > > >> > wrote: > > >>> --> > > > >>> > > >>> Okay, are we comparing who paid what for how many hours in > > >> what type > > >>> of aircraft? If so..... crossed the Alps in hot air. > > >> Left Murren, > > >>> flew > > >>> 5.75 hours, up to 19,500 ft. Dropper to 10' and flew the > > >> Eiger glacier. > > >>> Landed north of Lugano and could see all the way down the > > >> Italian boot. > > >>> At one point had a Swiss Air 747 doing a turn around us. > > >> Best day of > > >>> my > > >>> life---- with my pants on. Cost about $2200USD. That > > >> included meals > > >>> and a hotel for the night before. Lifted off with 120 > > >> gallons of > > >>> propane and landed with less than 10--phew. > > >>> > > >>> Still love my Kolb!! Just think the Kolb is about 10x > > >> faster! > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Read this topic online here: > > >>> > > >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=445771#445771 > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > >> Photoshare, and much much more: > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ > > > > > > Time: 07:12:37 PM PST US > > From: Herb > > > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Painting trim > > > > I bought the blue tape and gave it a try this evening...for the life of > > me could not run a straight line across the top of the wing...!! Gave up > > and put the puppy back in the garage...Think I will prevail on a buddy > > who painted F4's for McDonald Douglas back in St Louis...Quite a step > > down and I know he will have his nose in the air...but he owes me > > one...:-) Herb > > > > On 08/20/2015 05:10 PM, GARY JINDRA wrote: > > > They sell fine line tape for painting at the auto parts. It is very > > > thin is plastic so it can be stretched to make curves. It has smooth > > > edges that will not leave rough paint lines. You put it on first to > > > get lines or designs then use blue painters tape on it. Spend the > > > money to use good tape and paper if you want the best paint job you > > > can do. > > > */Gary Jindra > > > /* > > > */Mark 3c 912 ul/* > > > */380 hours > > > /* > > > *//* > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > *From:* Herb > > > > *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com > > > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 19, 2015 12:41 PM > > > *Subject:* Re: Kolb-List: Painting trim > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Stuart > > > > > > I suspect that the print on the newspaper will bleed with the acetone > > > and mek that is in the paint? Think I will buy some brown paper at one > > > of the auto or hardware stores...Herb > > > > > > ps thanks for the procedure...Think I am good to go on the > > > fuselage..will paint the wing leading edge outside...:-) > > > > > > On 08/19/2015 10:23 AM, Stuart Harner wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > > > Herb, > > > > > > > > You are correct about putting the first layer of tape exactly on the > > > line > > > > you want. Then tape the paper down to the first tape with another > > > layer of > > > > tape. I know this takes twice as much tape but it is worth it just > > > in the > > > > ease of application. You can actually use plain old brown masking > > > tape for > > > > this and save a little $$. Usually I put all the first tape down > > > before I > > > > start putting the tape/paper down. That way you can stand back and > > > "eyeball" > > > > your work to see if it matches what you were planning. Sometimes > > > tape gets > > > > applied to the wrong side of the "line" and it is really hard to see > > > that if > > > > you have the masking paper in place. > > > > > > > > Looking at the first run of tape also helps identify any less than > > > straight > > > > areas. Much easier to lift and adjust a single line of tape than the > > > whole > > > > masked up edge. > > > > > > > > I found the local big box hardware store had brown masking paper in > > > rolls up > > > > to 12" wide. The local NAPA store had wider stock. I did not try > > > newspapers > > > > as there are lots of recommendations against that. Hopefully you > > > won't have > > > > any problems. Putting two or three layers of newspaper in the first > > > 12" away > > > > from the trim line would help absorb any overspray that may be > > > heavier in > > > > that area. > > > > > > > > Last piece of advice. Run your fingernail over all the tape where it > > > > contacts the fabric just before you spray. That way there is nice fresh > > > > tight contact between the tape and the fabric. This will help > > > prevent the > > > > new paint from creeping under the tape. Don't worry about the blue tape > > > > sticking to the previous paint. As long as it has had a day or two > > > to dry, > > > > the blue tape will peel off nicely and not leave any residue. It can be > > > > removed as soon as the paint on the tape is dry to the touch. > > > > > > > > Best of luck and post pictures when you get'er done! > > > > > > > > Stuart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I bought the standard, recommended 3M blue tape..and gathered up > > > as much > > > > news paper that I might need... I was warned about the type of newspaper > > > > that has the small holes in it... > > > > > > > > I can see laying down the first line of blue tape then overlaying > > > that > > > > with another line of tape which includes the blocking paper.... > > > > need all the help that I can get... > > > Her://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List " > > > target="_blank">http://www.matr --> > > > >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator ?Kolb-List > > > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ > > > > > > Time: 07:15:23 PM PST US > > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: legs > > From: "Flylawnchairs" > > > > > > > Very cool brad ! > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446223#446223 > > > > > > > > > > > &g===================== > >====== > > > > > > > > > > > get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > -- > If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending. > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:39:07 PM PST US From: Dee LeBlanc Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Flying Mark III with no doors. Is this half door of your own design? Do you have a photo? Sounds like a good compromise. Dee LeBlanc leblancds@cox.net cell 225-802-1038 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Past is History The Future is a Mystery Today is a Gift That=92s Why They Call it the Present > On Aug 24, 2015, at 9:15 AM, Richard Pike wrote: > > > Tried it once, no change in flying characteristics, but the amount of wind drawn through by the shape of the cockpit was incredible. I suggest half doors, which is what I use in the summer. Open cockpit without the wind. It is easy enough to have 2 sets of doors; one set for the winter, one for the summer. > > -------- > Richard Pike > Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > Kingsport, TN 3TN0 > > Would you consider yourself to be a good person? > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWcDXT6pH7A > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446339#446339 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1040729_small_535.jpg > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.