---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 01/04/16: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:19 AM - Re: Aileron trim (Patrick Ladd) 2. 05:10 AM - Re: Aileron trim (Watkinsdw) 3. 07:07 AM - Re: Aileron trim (Richard Pike) 4. 07:15 AM - Re: Aileron trim (Watkinsdw) 5. 07:25 AM - Re: tires (west1m) 6. 08:55 AM - Re: tires (Carolina Flyer) 7. 11:31 AM - Re: Re: tires (Larry Cottrell) 8. 11:53 AM - Weight in one wing...? (Nick Cassara) 9. 01:01 PM - Re: Weight in one wing...? (John Hauck) 10. 01:30 PM - Re: tires (Carolina Flyer) 11. 01:45 PM - Re: Re: tires (Larry Cottrell) 12. 08:42 PM - Re: Re: tires (Herb) 13. 09:16 PM - the price is right (Herb) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:19:30 AM PST US From: Patrick Ladd Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aileron trim UmV4LA0KSSBoYWQgdHJvdWJsZSB3aXRoIG9uZSB3aW5nIHdpdGggYSB0ZW5kZW5jeSB0byBkcm9w IG9uIG15IEV4dHJhLi4gRmluYWxseSBzb2x2ZWQgaXQgYnkgYWRqdXN0aW5nIEFPQSBvZiB0aGUg d2luZy4gVGhlIFh0cmEgaGFzIGEgY2hvaWNlIG9mIGF0dGFjaG1lbnQgcG9pbnRzLCBjYW50IHJl bWVtYmVyIGlmIGl0IHJhaXNlZCBvciBsb3dlcmVkIHRoZSBsZWFkaW5nIG9yIHRyYWlsaW5nIGVk Z2VzLiBJZiB5b3UgaGF2ZSB0aGF0IGZhY2lsaXR5IHRyeSB0aGF0IGZpcnN0LCBpdCBpcyBzaW1w bGUgdG8gZG8uIEdvIG9uIHRvIHRyaW0gdGFicyBuZXh0LiBHb29kIGx1Y2suIFBhdA0KDQpGcm9t OiBSZXggUm9kZWJ1c2ggDQpTZW50OiBTdW5kYXksIEphbnVhcnkgMDMsIDIwMTYgNToxMSBQTQ0K VG86IGtvbGItbGlzdEBtYXRyb25pY3MuY29tIA0KU3ViamVjdDogS29sYi1MaXN0OiBBaWxlcm9u IHRyaW0NCg0KLS0+IEtvbGItTGlzdCBtZXNzYWdlIHBvc3RlZCBieTogIlJleCBSb2RlYnVzaCIg PGpycm9kZWJ1c2hAZ21haWwuY29tPg0KDQpJIGhhdmUgYSBzbGlnaHRseSBoZWF2eSByaWdodCB3 aW5nLiAgUHJvYmFibHkgZW5naW5lIHRvcnF1ZSBidXQgd2hvIGtub3dzLiAgSSB3YW50IHRvIHRy eSBhaWxlcm9uIHRyaW0gYW5kIHdvbmRlciBpZiBpdCB3b3VsZCBiZSBiZXN0IHRvIHB1dCB0aGUg dHJpbSB0YWIgdXAgb24gdGhlIHJpZ2h0IGFpbGVyb24gb3IgZG93biBvbiB0aGUgbGVmdCBhaWxl cm9uOyBvciBkb2VzIGl0IHJlYWxseSBtYXR0ZXIuDQoNCkFueSB0aG91Z2h0cyBhcHByZWNpYXRl ZC4NCg0KDQoNCg0KUmVhZCB0aGlzIHRvcGljIG9ubGluZSBoZXJlOg0KDQpodHRwOi8vZm9ydW1z Lm1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20vdmlld3RvcGljLnBocD9wPTQ1MTY2MSM0NTE2NjENCg0KDQoNCg0KDQoN Cg0KXy09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT0NCl8tPQ0KXy09ICAgICAgIC0tIFBsZWFzZSBTdXBwb3J0IFlvdXIgTGlzdHMgVGhp cyBNb250aCAtLQ0KXy09ICAgICAgICAgICAoQW5kIEdldCBTb21lIEFXRVNPTUUgRlJFRSBHaWZ0 cyEpDQpfLT0NCl8tPSAgIE5vdmVtYmVyIGlzIHRoZSBBbm51YWwgTGlzdCBGdW5kIFJhaXNlci4g IENsaWNrIG9uDQpfLT0gICB0aGUgQ29udHJpYnV0aW9uIGxpbmsgYmVsb3cgdG8gZmluZCBvdXQg bW9yZSBhYm91dA0KXy09ICAgdGhpcyB5ZWFyJ3MgVGVycmlmaWMgRnJlZSBJbmNlbnRpdmUgR2lm dHMgcHJvdmlkZWQNCl8tPSAgIGJ5Og0KXy09ICAgDQpfLT0gICAgICogVGhlIEJ1aWxkZXIncyBC b29rc3RvcmUgd3d3LmJ1aWxkZXJzYm9va3MuY29tDQpfLT0NCl8tPSAgIExpc3QgQ29udHJpYnV0 aW9uIFdlYiBTaXRlOg0KXy09DQpfLT0gICAtLT4gaHR0cDovL3d3dy5tYXRyb25pY3MuY29tL2Nv bnRyaWJ1dGlvbg0KXy09DQpfLT0gICBUaGFuayB5b3UgZm9yIHlvdXIgZ2VuZXJvdXMgc3VwcG9y dCENCl8tPQ0KXy09ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgLU1hdHQgRHJhbGxlLCBM aXN0IEFkbWluLg0KXy09DQpfLT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PQ0KXy09ICAgICAgICAgIC0gVGhlIEtvbGItTGlzdCBFbWFp bCBGb3J1bSAtDQpfLT0gVXNlIHRoZSBNYXRyb25pY3MgTGlzdCBGZWF0dXJlcyBOYXZpZ2F0b3Ig dG8gYnJvd3NlDQpfLT0gdGhlIG1hbnkgTGlzdCB1dGlsaXRpZXMgc3VjaCBhcyBMaXN0IFVuL1N1 YnNjcmlwdGlvbiwNCl8tPSBBcmNoaXZlIFNlYXJjaCAmIERvd25sb2FkLCA3LURheSBCcm93c2Us IENoYXQsIEZBUSwNCl8tPSBQaG90b3NoYXJlLCBhbmQgbXVjaCBtdWNoIG1vcmU6DQpfLT0NCl8t PSAgIC0tPiBodHRwOi8vd3d3Lm1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20vTmF2aWdhdG9yP0tvbGItTGlzdA0KXy09 DQpfLT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PQ0KXy09ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgLSBNQVRST05JQ1MgV0VCIEZPUlVNUyAtDQpfLT0g U2FtZSBncmVhdCBjb250ZW50IGFsc28gYXZhaWxhYmxlIHZpYSB0aGUgV2ViIEZvcnVtcyENCl8t PQ0KXy09ICAgLS0+IGh0dHA6Ly9mb3J1bXMubWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbQ0KXy09DQpfLT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PQ0KXy09 ICAgICAgICAgICAgIC0gTGlzdCBDb250cmlidXRpb24gV2ViIFNpdGUgLQ0KXy09ICBUaGFuayB5 b3UgZm9yIHlvdXIgZ2VuZXJvdXMgc3VwcG9ydCENCl8tPSAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg ICAgICAgIC1NYXR0IERyYWxsZSwgTGlzdCBBZG1pbi4NCl8tPSAgIC0tPiBodHRwOi8vd3d3Lm1h dHJvbmljcy5jb20vY29udHJpYnV0aW9uDQpfLT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PQ0KDQoNCg0K ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:10:37 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Aileron trim From: "Watkinsdw" I find that my 2001 Mk III requires a little more or less left stick pressure depending on whether I'm flying solo or with a passenger. To adjust for this, I change the configuration of spacer washers in my left universal joint. It's been awhile, and I'm not at the hangar right now, but here goes- I have three washers, in the "U" joint. When I fly solo, I think I put two washers above and one below the wing connection, and when I fly with a passenger, I fly solo, I put two below and one above. I think that's right. The adjustment raises or lowers the trailing edge of the whole wing slightly and trims the roll nicely. Obviously, if I'm just flying occasionally with a passenger, I just suck it up and fly with the washers in the solo position, getting a little more exercise on my right arm. I also have a pretty substantial trim tab on my tail. In either case, I don't seem to have noticeable adverse yaw. Dave Watkins Pompano Beach Mk III Classic Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451713#451713 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:07:31 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Aileron trim From: "Richard Pike" Watkinsdw wrote: > I find that my 2001 Mk III requires a little more or less left stick pressure depending on whether I'm flying solo or with a passenger. To adjust for this, I change the configuration of spacer washers in my left universal joint. It's been awhile, and I'm not at the hangar right now, but here goes- I have three washers, in the "U" joint. When I fly solo, I think I put two washers above and one below the wing connection, and when I fly with a passenger, I fly solo, I put two below and one above. I think that's right. The adjustment raises or lowers the trailing edge of the whole wing slightly and trims the roll nicely. Obviously, if I'm just flying occasionally with a passenger, I just suck it up and fly with the washers in the solo position, getting a little more exercise on my right arm. I also have a pretty substantial trim tab on my tail. In either case, I don't seem to have noticeable adverse yaw. > Dave Watkins > Pompano Beach > Mk III Classic That seems like a lot of work compared to the 20 seconds it takes to reset an adjustable trim tab. For a more permanent adjustment on an airplane where the wings have a different angle of attack, Kolb makes and sells an offset U-joint bracket. I don't know what they charge for them, but I have one I don't need. Be glad to sell it for the cost of shipping. It is for a MKIII/FSII, don't know if it will fit the Xtra. PM me. -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Would you consider yourself to be a good person? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWcDXT6pH7A Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451721#451721 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1040910_large_434.jpg ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:15:31 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Aileron trim From: "Watkinsdw" Good looking solution, Richard. You would still need to pull the bolt and flip the u-joint, but not have to fiddle with the washers. Sounds like the Extra has an even simpler solution. Thanks for the input. Dave Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451722#451722 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:25:19 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: tires From: "west1m" Ok I give, where do i see them and a price list? -------- West1m Hastings, MN Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451725#451725 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:55:26 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: tires From: "Carolina Flyer" I guess I should have a website, but then I guess it would be too much like work. You tell me what you need and I can make it happen. I prefer if someone calls me on the phone and we can discuss what your needs may be, if you would like to call me at 864-427-0101 -------- Kolb Firestar II 503 C-Box / RK400 Soon to have a Rotax 670 DCDI with a C-Box and RK 400 Clutch Challenger II 503 Tall Drive Location : Buffalo South Carolina Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451729#451729 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:31:57 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: tires From: Larry Cottrell OK? Now I'm wondering what the big secret is? I'm not real sure what your deal is, or why you cannot answer a straight forward question, but you should be aware that by being evasive, my "bullshit meter " is pretty well pegged. If you actually want to sell some tires, you are not handling it very well. I am fairly sure that you are not engaged in anything untoward, but you are making it sound that way.I personally see nothing wrong with trying to sell something that would benefit a Kolb airplane owner. There would most likely be some propwash from recurring ads, but tires was the thread being discussed. Sorry, Larry west1m via matronics.com 8:25 AM (3 hours ago) to kolb-list Ok I give, where do i see them and a price list? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 9:53 AM, Carolina Flyer wrote: > > I guess I should have a website, but then I guess it would be too much > like work. You tell me what you need and I can make it happen. I prefer if > someone calls me on the phone and we can discuss what your needs may be, if > you would like to call me at 864-427-0101 > > -- *The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant.* *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.* ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:53:24 AM PST US From: Nick Cassara Subject: Kolb-List: Weight in one wing...? Hello Kolber flyers, I am covering my left wing. I installed a Lift Reserve Indicator probe with a plate, that weights about 11oz, in the next bay out board of the strut mount on my left wing. Should I add an equivalent amount of weight in the right wing for balance? Thanks, Nick Cassara Palmer, AK Kolbra #1 Prototype ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:01:46 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Weight in one wing...? Not many aircraft come off the line, experimental and GA, that will fly perfectly trimmed out. That's why they put in a capability for trimming for pitch, roll, and yaw. Our airplanes, the ones we build in our basement or in your shipping container, are not built and rigged in precision jigs. I am amazed we can come as close to flyable as we do. I, personally, would not put a counterbalance weight in the opposite wing to counteract the weight of your instrument. After you get your airplane flying, especially on a cross country flight, you will know if you need to trim the aircraft in pitch, trim and roll. Maybe the 11 oz will balance out a slightly misaligned wing, or it may aggravate the situation. Either way you can fix it with trim tabs and/or forced trim. Hard to keep weight down on these aircraft. I would not add anything not necessary. Stay warm in Palmer. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nick Cassara Sent: Monday, January 04, 2016 1:53 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Weight in one wing...? Hello Kolber flyers, I am covering my left wing. I installed a Lift Reserve Indicator probe with a plate, that weights about 11oz, in the next bay out board of the strut mount on my left wing. Should I add an equivalent amount of weight in the right wing for balance? Thanks, Nick Cassara Palmer, AK Kolbra #1 Prototype ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:30:20 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: tires From: "Carolina Flyer" Larry there is no secret about anything, and if you happen to ask Bryan he knows that I have been selling these for years. Most of my dealings have been with Travis, but I am sure you know that Travis is no longer there at the Factory.. Their are options depending on aircraft and different needs..Different Master cylinders, single and dual puck Calipers... I guess I should have a price list, I guess I am lazy about some things...but then I do not sell Tires and Wheels for a living.. I fell into this getting what I wanted for myself, and people started asking me where they could get some for their aircrafts... No Website, and No Advertizing to speak of, and I sell 1 to 4 set-ups per month... Not to bad for little effort... Most of my sales by word of mouth, and Happy Customers..... We do live in America still, you run your business as you see fit and I will do the same... I wanted something and spent two years trying to find it, and never did so I had Wheels Custom Made for me, and sorta fell into a nitch that was needed. So Larry, why don't you keep making your Videos of flying over the Midwest the way you want to, and I will keep doing as I see fit -------- Kolb Firestar II 503 C-Box / RK400 Soon to have a Rotax 670 DCDI with a C-Box and RK 400 Clutch Challenger II 503 Tall Drive Location : Buffalo South Carolina Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451745#451745 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:45:32 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: tires From: Larry Cottrell So Larry, why don't you keep making your Videos of flying over the Midwest the way you want to, and I will keep doing as I see fit I will do that, however you might sell a couple more if people didn't have to pry a commitment out of you. Larry On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 2:29 PM, Carolina Flyer wrote: > > Larry there is no secret about anything, and if you happen to ask Bryan he > knows that I have been selling these for years. Most of my dealings have > been with Travis, but I am sure you know that Travis is no longer there at > the Factory.. Their are options depending on aircraft and different > needs..Different Master cylinders, single and dual puck Calipers... I guess > I should have a price list, I guess I am lazy about some things...but then > I do not sell Tires and Wheels for a living.. I fell into this getting > what I wanted for myself, and people started asking me where they could get > some for their aircrafts... No Website, and No Advertizing to speak of, and > I sell 1 to 4 set-ups per month... Not to bad for little effort... Most of > my sales by word of mouth, and Happy Customers..... We do live in America > still, you run your business as you see fit and I will do the same... I > wanted something and spent two years trying to find it, and never did so I > had Wheels Custom Made for ! > me, and sorta fell into a nitch that was needed. So Larry, why don't you > keep making your Videos of flying over the Midwest the way you want to, and > I will keep doing as I see fit > > -------- > Kolb Firestar II > 503 C-Box / RK400 > Soon to have a > Rotax 670 DCDI > with a C-Box and > RK 400 Clutch > > Challenger II > 503 Tall Drive > > Location : Buffalo South Carolina > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451745#451745 > > -- *The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant.* *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.* ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:42:33 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: tires From: Herb This discussion of the price of tires in China or the Carolina's...reminds me....I have a couple of Azusa tires,tubes and rims for sale..new.. 60% of the ACF price....plus shipping... 1. 11-4.00x5 tire and tube on a Nylon rim.. also have an extra nylon rim of the same size with bearings...and one half rim...all new...id of bearing is 5/8 ths inch.. bearings are 8206's... Chinese...I notice that Azusa wants an extra 20 dollars for Timken bearings...kinds a rip since skf,Fafnir and other bearings of quality can usually be had on EBAY for a few dollars each... the other tire /rim/tube assy...is a 15-6.00x6 Carlisle ...on Azusa rim...5/8th thru hole in bearing.. by the way...the reason for not giving a price is to get people to call or visit ....that way the seller has the opportunity to use his superior sales skills to convince a customer as to the quality of his particular products...and a smart sales person can take a quick read of the buyer...smart, dumb etc...!! when I dropped out of College...I went to work selling shoes at J.C. Pennys....and one of the first lessons is that it is never good to confuse a customer..they usually walk...out the door on the same pair of shoes that they came in with...:-) Herb On 01/04/2016 03:45 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote: > So Larry, why don't you keep making your Videos of flying over the > Midwest the way you want to, and I will keep doing as I see fit > > > I will do that, however you might sell a couple more if people didn't > have to pry a commitment out of you. > Larry > > On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 2:29 PM, Carolina Flyer > wrote: > > > > > Larry there is no secret about anything, and if you happen to ask > Bryan he knows that I have been selling these for years. Most of > my dealings have been with Travis, but I am sure you know that > Travis is no longer there at the Factory.. Their are options > depending on aircraft and different needs..Different Master > cylinders, single and dual puck Calipers... I guess I should have > a price list, I guess I am lazy about some things...but then I do > not sell Tires and Wheels for a living.. I fell into this getting > what I wanted for myself, and people started asking me where they > could get some for their aircrafts... No Website, and No > Advertizing to speak of, and I sell 1 to 4 set-ups per month... > Not to bad for little effort... Most of my sales by word of mouth, > and Happy Customers..... We do live in America still, you run your > business as you see fit and I will do the same... I wanted > something and spent two years trying to find it, and never did so > I had Wheels Custom Made for ! > me, and sorta fell into a nitch that was needed. So Larry, why > don't you keep making your Videos of flying over the Midwest the > way you want to, and I will keep doing as I see fit > > -------- > Kolb Firestar II > 503 C-Box / RK400 > Soon to have a > Rotax 670 DCDI > with a C-Box and > RK 400 Clutch > > Challenger II > 503 Tall Drive > > Location : Buffalo South Carolina > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451745#451745 > > > ========== > br> fts!) > r> > w.buildersbooks.com" rel="noreferrer" > target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com > rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > ========== > -List" rel="noreferrer" > target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > ========== > FORUMS - > eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > b Site - > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > -- > /The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant./ > / > / > /If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email > address before sending./ -- Signature text; Add catchy phrase here.. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:16:57 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: the price is right From: Herb Thinking about pricing again...I have the cheapest new build Firefly , advertised on Barnstormers...assuming the 8k one has sold...at the least it is out of the way in California!! :-) Was in Ohio... Looking at the pics...that one was a heck of a deal... Mine is brand new...and the ...hold on....ring a bell...toot a horn...shout it loud!!! 10.5k.....one third of the price of a factory build...and about 3/8ths the price of a Factory Kit... Herb almost forgot another point ....another reason for not quoting a price... everyone is selling the same stuff....likely the same stuff in aircraft parts certaily.....so price is the main deciding factor... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.