---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 01/05/16: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:10 AM - Re: the price is right (west1m) 2. 08:34 AM - Re: Re: the price is right (Herb) 3. 09:22 AM - Re: the price is right (w0odi) 4. 09:47 AM - Re: Re: the price is right (Herb) 5. 10:05 AM - Re: the price is right (w0odi) 6. 10:49 AM - Re: the price is right (west1m) 7. 12:58 PM - Re: Re: the price is right (Herb) 8. 02:58 PM - Re: Aileron trim (Rex Rodebush) 9. 05:34 PM - Re: Re: Aileron trim (John Hauck) 10. 06:49 PM - Re: Re: Aileron trim (Charlie England) 11. 08:13 PM - Re: the price is right (Richard Pike) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:10:52 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: the price is right From: "west1m" Both GREAT deals. But for no more than I used mine last year I would let my Firefly go for $5K and throw in a trailer to get it home. For a few more bucks I would throw in a 503 with a warp drive prop. -------- West1m Hastings, MN Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451768#451768 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:34:11 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: the price is right From: Herb Mercy!! The bottom is falling out of the Ultra Lite business!! When the Ohio Firefly did no sell at 8k...I became worried...nearly three hundred hours on the engine however.. If your bird can sit where it is til spring...send some details and pics... also of the 503 and prop... Then again...if you have it in the spring...nothing wrong with cranking the price up a bit...:-) I buy and fix up boats and motors and nothing sold last spring!!! Barn is full!! Worried Herb On 01/05/2016 10:10 AM, west1m wrote: > > Both GREAT deals. But for no more than I used mine last year I would let my Firefly go for $5K and throw in a trailer to get it home. For a few more bucks I would throw in a 503 with a warp drive prop. > > -------- > West1m > Hastings, MN > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451768#451768 > > -- Signature text; Add catchy phrase here.. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:22:02 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: the price is right From: "w0odi" west1m wrote: > Both GREAT deals. But for no more than I used mine last year I would let my Firefly go for $5K and throw in a trailer to get it home. For a few more bucks I would throw in a 503 with a warp drive prop. But it is a long way from brand new... Can you send me some pics of your Kolb Herb? woodyz1957@gmail.com thanks Larry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451770#451770 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:47:20 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: the price is right From: Herb They are on Craigs list Nashville... But...that 5k bird in Minnesota sounds fantastically good!!! New fabric and paint can be done for less than 1k....and recall; the aluminum rivets for holding the fabric to the ribs are about 16 bucks for 500 on Ebay...last spring anyway.... Herb ps anyone needing pics of the tries , tubes and rims...I have them ... 1.5 meg photos but did not want to attach them and gain the ire of Bro. Pike!! :-) and too lazy to reduce them...! Email prvately so we do not grab too much band width... On 01/05/2016 11:21 AM, w0odi wrote: > > > west1m wrote: >> Both GREAT deals. But for no more than I used mine last year I would let my Firefly go for $5K and throw in a trailer to get it home. For a few more bucks I would throw in a 503 with a warp drive prop. But it is a long way from brand new... > > Can you send me some pics of your Kolb Herb? > > woodyz1957@gmail.com > > thanks > Larry > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451770#451770 > > -- Signature text; Add catchy phrase here.. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:05:42 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: the price is right From: "w0odi" Herbgh(at)nctc.com wrote: > They are on Craigs list Nashville... But...that 5k bird in Minnesota > sounds fantastically good!!! New fabric and paint can be done for less > than 1k....and recall; the aluminum rivets for holding the fabric to the > ribs are about 16 bucks for 500 on Ebay...last spring anyway.... Herb > > ps anyone needing pics of the tries , tubes and rims...I have them ... > 1.5 meg photos but did not want to attach them and gain the ire of Bro. > Pike!! :-) and too lazy to reduce them...! > > Email prvately so we do not grab too much band width... > > On 01/05/2016 11:21 AM, w0odi wrote: > > > > > Sorry Herb I guess I need to read things closer... I will see if I can find that 5k firefly on here think it was westm1 who posted it?? > > Larry > > > > > > west1m wrote: > > > Both GREAT deals. But for no more than I used mine last year I would let my Firefly go for $5K and throw in a trailer to get it home. For a few more bucks I would throw in a 503 with a warp drive prop. But it is a long way from brand new... > > > > Can you send me some pics of your Kolb Herb? > > > > woodyz1957@gmail.com > > > > thanks > > Larry > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451770#451770 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Signature text; Add catchy phrase here.. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451774#451774 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:49:18 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: the price is right From: "west1m" I am not really trying to sell it, it just isn't getting much use. I dumped a ton of money into it in the last year and a half. EIS, Warp Drive prop (two blade), Black max brakes and wheels and so on. I had neck surgery and did not want to pull the rope so I installed an electric starter. Flys great, but sits an hour away and I don't get out there enough. Here is a good example. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jP9irkNoMTI -------- West1m Hastings, MN Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451776#451776 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:58:59 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: the price is right From: Herb Yep!! Brakes, elect start should bring the price up to 5500 at least....:-) Nice video.....I notice that all turtles look alike to me...!! Herb On 01/05/2016 12:49 PM, west1m wrote: > > I am not really trying to sell it, it just isn't getting much use. I dumped a ton of money into it in the last year and a half. EIS, Warp Drive prop (two blade), Black max brakes and wheels and so on. I had neck surgery and did not want to pull the rope so I installed an electric starter. Flys great, but sits an hour away and I don't get out there enough. Here is a good example. > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jP9irkNoMTI > > -------- > West1m > Hastings, MN > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451776#451776 > > -- Signature text; Add catchy phrase here.. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:58:52 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Aileron trim From: "Rex Rodebush" Thanks to all who responded, on and off line. I'm going to try a flap adjustment first and then aileron trim if the flap trim is not successful. If that causes more problems I'll probably just live with it. Solo the required stick pressure is just a few ounces by my estimation. With a 220# passenger it is much more noticeable. I will keep the washer/wing angle as a possibility for the future. I'll post the results when known. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451779#451779 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:34:38 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Aileron trim Rex/Gang: I use a small piece of bungee cord from the aileron torque tube to the control stick. Each end is looped around the tube and secured with a small 1/4" wide hose clamp. Will work on dual controls and single center stick. On a single center stick find a place to secure the stationary end of the bungee. Adjustment is infinite. When the moving end on the stick is at its lowest point there is neutral forced trim. Moving the loop up the stick increases trim force. I have used this system on my MKIII for 23 years. In fact, I recently changed out the original piece of bungee. My bungee looks like it may be 1/2" in diameter. This is a simple way to get the job done effectively without drill holes, popping rivets, hanging sheet metal and Lexan on an aileron, changing out wing mounts, etc. Be glad to post photos next time I go over to Gantt International Airport, when the temps get above freezing. ;-) john h mkIII Titus, Alabama -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rex Rodebush Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 4:58 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Aileron trim Thanks to all who responded, on and off line. I'm going to try a flap adjustment first and then aileron trim if the flap trim is not successful. If that causes more problems I'll probably just live with it. Solo the required stick pressure is just a few ounces by my estimation. With a 220# passenger it is much more noticeable. I will keep the washer/wing angle as a possibility for the future. I'll post the results when known. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451779#451779 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:49:04 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Aileron trim From: Charlie England I like John's method. I've never owned/flown a Kolb, but the 'standard' aileron trim for the 2 seat RV-x's is very similar to John's method. The RV's use a lever that has its pivot on the control stick, and springs from the lever to convenient solid points on either side of the stick. moving the lever increases tension on one spring; decreases it on the other. This supplies a bias to the stick just like what John is describing. Very effective on the RVs, it's cheap, and weighs almost nothing. In flight, you can't tell it's there, and RV's have pretty light controls. Charlie On 1/5/2016 7:34 PM, John Hauck wrote: > > Rex/Gang: > > I use a small piece of bungee cord from the aileron torque tube to the > control stick. Each end is looped around the tube and secured with a small > 1/4" wide hose clamp. > > Will work on dual controls and single center stick. On a single center > stick find a place to secure the stationary end of the bungee. > > Adjustment is infinite. When the moving end on the stick is at its lowest > point there is neutral forced trim. Moving the loop up the stick increases > trim force. > > I have used this system on my MKIII for 23 years. In fact, I recently > changed out the original piece of bungee. My bungee looks like it may be > 1/2" in diameter. > > This is a simple way to get the job done effectively without drill holes, > popping rivets, hanging sheet metal and Lexan on an aileron, changing out > wing mounts, etc. > > Be glad to post photos next time I go over to Gantt International Airport, > when the temps get above freezing. ;-) > > john h > mkIII > Titus, Alabama > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rex Rodebush > Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 4:58 PM > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Aileron trim > > > Thanks to all who responded, on and off line. I'm going to try a flap > adjustment first and then aileron trim if the flap trim is not successful. > If that causes more problems I'll probably just live with it. Solo the > required stick pressure is just a few ounces by my estimation. With a 220# > passenger it is much more noticeable. I will keep the washer/wing angle as > a possibility for the future. I'll post the results when known. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451779#451779 > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:13:52 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: the price is right From: "Richard Pike" [quote="Herbgh(at)nctc.com"] ps anyone needing pics of the tries , tubes and rims...I have them ... 1.5 meg photos but did not want to attach them and gain the ire of Bro. Pike!! :-) and too lazy to reduce them...! [quote] Proverbs 26:15? [Laughing] -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Would you consider yourself to be a good person? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWcDXT6pH7A Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451783#451783 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.