---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 01/10/16: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:30 AM - Re: Weight in one wing...? (Patrick Ladd) 2. 07:58 AM - Re: Weight in one wing...? (Martin Koxxy) 3. 09:12 AM - Re: Re: Horizontal stabilizer seals (Richard Girard) 4. 09:37 AM - Re: Re: Horizontal stabilizer seals (william sullivan) 5. 10:15 AM - Re: Re: Horizontal stabilizer seals (Charlie England) 6. 11:43 AM - Re: Re: Horizontal stabilizer seals (mojavjoe@comcast.net) 7. 11:44 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 01/09/16 (Keith Callfas) 8. 11:47 AM - Re: Re: Aileron trim (Jack B. Hart) 9. 12:11 PM - Re: Re: Horizontal stabilizer seals (Jack B. Hart) 10. 12:59 PM - Re: Re: Horizontal stabilizer seals (John Hauck) 11. 01:07 PM - Re: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 01/09/16 (John Hauck) 12. 01:29 PM - Re: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 01/09/16 (Richard Neilsen) 13. 05:13 PM - Re: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 01/09/16 (kinne russ) 14. 06:20 PM - Re: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 01/09/16 (Bradley Nation) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:30:05 AM PST US From: Patrick Ladd Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Weight in one wing...? Hi Charlie, i suppose what I was asking in a guarded manner was why would anyone in a ultralight, or indeed any light aircraft want an unnecessary complication like this. Still we all pimp our rides to suit ourselves. As far as the extra 11 ozs goes I would have thought that in the fight to keep ultralight below the legal weight limit even 11 ozs. needs to be watched. Weight increases naturally after the initial weighing anyway with radios, GPS, cameras etc. The guy who built my Extra added all sorts of odd little brackets or a bit of stiffening or beefing up wherever he saw what he considered a weak point. All without consulting me a couple of hundred miles away. This caused all sorts of fancy maths to get her certified as a microlight. Cheers Pat From: Charlie England Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 8:00 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Weight in one wing...? LRI's are basically angle of attack indicators. I suppose you could argue that you don't need them on an ultralite (type) a/c, but then, we don't know how he intends to use the a/c. US Navy pilots depend on AOA indicators to land on carriers safely, and some 'bush' pilots do, too. As far as balance goes, odds are high that component tolerances and build errors will easily mask an 11 oz weight difference. On a plane with wing tanks, just over 0.1 gallons of fuel difference between tanks would cause that much imbalance. Charlie On 1/9/2016 12:29 PM, Patrick Ladd wrote: I installed a Lift Reserve Indicator probe with a plate>> What the hell is that and why do you need it.Particularly if you are adding 11 ozs. Totally ignorant. Pat From: Nick Cassara Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 7:56 PM To: kolb-list@matronics.com Subject: Kolb-List: Weight in one wing...? mailto:nickc@mtaonline.net Hello Kolber flyers, I am covering my left wing. I installed a Lift Reserve Indicator probe with a plate, that weights about 11oz, in the next bay out board of the strut mount on my left wing. Should I add an equivalent amount of weight in the right wing for balance? Thanks, Nick Cassara Palmer, AK Kolbra #1 p; -- Please Support Your Lists This Month (And Get Annual List below to Incentive Gifts href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c Thank you for your generous ; -Matt Dralle, List nbsp; Navigator Photoshare, and href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronic p; the Web href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com _p; generous bsp; href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ================ ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:58:57 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Weight in one wing...? From: Martin Koxxy Mark Beierle, the designer of the Earthstar line of planes (Thundergull, Gull 2000, Odyssey), makes exactly that point. Ultralights and near-ultralights tend to be flown a lot more by seat-of-the-pants and exterior view clues than by instruments, and the added weight and complication goes contrary to the Ultralight "spirit". That said, while learning to fly my eGull, I would have appreciated an LRI or AOA (angle of attack) indicator to calibrate myself. But now, after only 10 hours, I can tell this calibration process is well under way, and my instrument scans are getting shorter and less frequent, with more attention paid to the sight picture (and traffic in the pattern). Weight: If I had gone through with an AOA instrument, I would have added only a second, angled pitot tube and hose, and my GRT EFIS would have been able to display AOA on the screen - a weight penalty in the 3-4 oz range. On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 3:29 AM, Patrick Ladd wrote: > Hi Charlie, > i suppose what I was asking in a guarded manner was why would anyone in a > ultralight, or indeed any light aircraft want an unnecessary complication > like this. Still we all pimp our rides to suit ourselves. As far as the > extra 11 ozs goes I would have thought that in the fight to keep ultralight > below the legal weight limit even 11 ozs. needs to be watched. Weight > increases naturally after the initial weighing anyway with radios, GPS, > cameras etc. > The guy who built my Extra added all sorts of odd little brackets or a bit > of stiffening or beefing up wherever he saw what he considered a weak > point. All without consulting me a couple of hundred miles away. This > caused all sorts of fancy maths to get her certified as a microlight. > Cheers > Pat > > *From:* Charlie England > *Sent:* Saturday, January 9, 2016 8:00 PM > *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: Kolb-List: Weight in one wing...? > > LRI's are basically angle of attack indicators. I suppose you could argue > that you don't need them on an ultralite (type) a/c, but then, we don't > know how he intends to use the a/c. US Navy pilots depend on AOA indicators > to land on carriers safely, and some 'bush' pilots do, too. > > As far as balance goes, odds are high that component tolerances and build > errors will easily mask an 11 oz weight difference. On a plane with wing > tanks, just over 0.1 gallons of fuel difference between tanks would cause > that much imbalance. > > Charlie > > On 1/9/2016 12:29 PM, Patrick Ladd wrote: > > I installed a Lift Reserve Indicator probe with a plate>> > > What the hell is that and why do you need it.Particularly if you are > adding 11 ozs. Totally ignorant. Pat > > *From:* Nick Cassara > *Sent:* Monday, January 4, 2016 7:56 PM > *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Kolb-List: Weight in one wing...? > > > > Hello Kolber flyers, > > I am covering my left wing. I installed a Lift Reserve Indicator probe > with a plate, that weights about 11oz, in the next bay out board of the > strut mount on my left wing. Should I add an equivalent amount of weight in > the right wing for balance? > > Thanks, > > Nick Cassara > Palmer, AK > > Kolbra #1 p; -- Please Support Your Lists This Month (And Get Annual > List below to Incentive Gifts href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution" > >http://www.matronics.com/cThank > you for your generous ; -Matt Dralle, List nbsp; > Navigator Photoshare, and href > "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List" > >http://www.matronicp; > the Web href="http://forums.matronics.com" > > http://forums.matronics.com > _p; generous bsp; href > "http://www.matronics.com/contribution" > > > http://www.matronics.com/c================ > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:12:54 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Horizontal stabilizer seals From: Richard Girard I believe what happens is that the air leaking through the slot between the horizontal stabilizer and the boom tube causes the flow to go more vertically over the rudder rather than horizontally. I base this on the results of tuft testing I did on the Mk III's rear fuselage segment as seen in the video I shot of the tests: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IG796iiymYw I attached photos of the gap seals to the original post but just in case...... The photo shows the second set of seals with their peel ply covering with the first set of seals all trimmed up and ready to bond to the second set when they are cured and trimmed. This style of construction was only possible because the "plane from hell" had the horizontal stabilizer set on the center line of the tube. Rick On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 11:49 PM, wakataka wrote: > > Any idea why sealing the elevator gap had such an effect on the rudder > effectiveness? I wouldn't have expected that. > > I'd love to see a photo of the seals you built. I'm planning to recover m y > Firestar next year and gap seals are one of the things I need to figure o ut > how to install. > > -------- > There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale > returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact. > > Mark Twain > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451801#451801 > > =========== =========== =========== =========== =========== > > -- =9CBlessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light.=9D Groucho Marx ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:37:28 AM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Horizontal stabilizer seals Rick- How do you fold it? It looks to be a rigid assembly. Bill Sullivan ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:15:48 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Horizontal stabilizer seals From: Charlie England Wouldn't the air be going *down* through the tube-stabilizer gap? (Higher pressure on top of the tail.) That would still reduce the rudder's effectiveness, since vertical flow would disrupt horizontal flow across the rudder. On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Richard Girard wrote: > I believe what happens is that the air leaking through the slot between > the horizontal stabilizer and the boom tube causes the flow to go more > vertically over the rudder rather than horizontally. I base this on the > results of tuft testing I did on the Mk III's rear fuselage segment as se en > in the video I shot of the tests: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IG796iiymYw > > I attached photos of the gap seals to the original post but just in > case...... The photo shows the second set of seals with their peel ply > covering with the first set of seals all trimmed up and ready to bond to > the second set when they are cured and trimmed. This style of constructio n > was only possible because the "plane from hell" had the horizontal > stabilizer set on the center line of the tube. > > Rick > > > On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 11:49 PM, wakataka wrote: > >> >> Any idea why sealing the elevator gap had such an effect on the rudder >> effectiveness? I wouldn't have expected that. >> >> I'd love to see a photo of the seals you built. I'm planning to recover >> my Firestar next year and gap seals are one of the things I need to figu re >> out how to install. >> >> -------- >> There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale >> returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact. >> >> Mark Twain >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451801#451801 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ========== >> br> fts!) >> r> > w.buildersbooks.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"> >> www.buildersbooks.com >> rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contributi on >> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> ========== >> -List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >> ========== >> FORUMS - >> eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> b Site - >> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contributi on >> ========== >> >> >> >> > > > -- > =9CBlessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light. =9D Groucho Marx > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:43:30 AM PST US From: mojavjoe@comcast.net Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Horizontal stabilizer seals Couldn't the seals be attached to the boom tube under the horizontal stab. so it could be folded. Also if properly braced it might take the place of t he upper wire bracing. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlie England" Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 1:06:25 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Horizontal stabilizer seals Wouldn't the air be going *down* through the tube-stabilizer gap? (Higher p ressure on top of the tail.) That would still reduce the rudder's effective ness, since vertical flow would disrupt horizontal flow across the rudder. On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Richard Girard < aslsa.rng@gmail.com > wr ote: I believe what happens is that the air leaking through the slot between the horizontal stabilizer and the boom tube causes the flow to go more vertica lly over the rudder rather than horizontally. I base this on the results of tuft testing I did on the Mk III's rear fuselage segment as seen in the vi deo I shot of the tests: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IG796iiymYw I attached photos of the gap seals to the original post but just in case... ... The photo shows the second set of seals with their peel ply covering wi th the first set of seals all trimmed up and ready to bond to the second se t when they are cured and trimmed. This style of construction was only poss ible because the "plane from hell" had the horizontal stabilizer set on the center line of the tube. Rick On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 11:49 PM, wakataka < wakataka@charter.net > wrote:
Any idea why sealing the elevator gap had such an effect on the rudder effe ctiveness? I wouldn't have expected that. I'd love to see a photo of the seals you built. I'm planning to recover my Firestar next year and gap seals are one of the things I need to figure out how to install. -------- There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale retur ns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact. Mark Twain Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451801#451801 =========== br> fts!) r> > w.buildersbooks.com " rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"> www.builde rsbooks.com rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -Matt Dralle, List Admin. =========== -List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"> http://www.matronics.com/Navig ator?Kolb-List =========== FORUMS - eferrer" target="_blank"> http://forums.matronics.com =========== b Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"> http://www.matronics.com/contribution =========== -- =9CBlessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light.=9D Groucho Marx
________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:44:37 AM PST US From: Keith Callfas Subject: Kolb-List: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 01/09/16 You people act like these are airplanes they are air carts not ment to fly any were but up and around! --- Original Message --- From: "Kolb-List Digest Server" Sent: January 10, 2016 2:14 AM Subject: Kolb-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 01/09/16 * ================================================= Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================= Today's complete Kolb-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the Kolb-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. HTML Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 16-01-09&Archive=Kolb Text Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 16-01-09&Archive=Kolb =============================================== EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive =============================================== ---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 01/09/16: 2 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 10:29 AM - Re: Weight in one wing...? (Patrick Ladd) 2. 12:00 PM - Re: Weight in one wing...? (Charlie England) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 10:29:45 AM PST US From: Patrick Ladd Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Weight in one wing...? I installed a Lift Reserve Indicator probe with a plate>> What the hell is that and why do you need it.Particularly if you are adding 11 ozs. Totally ignorant. Pat From: Nick Cassara Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 7:56 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Weight in one wing...? Hello Kolber flyers, I am covering my left wing. I installed a Lift Reserve Indicator probe with a plate, that weights about 11oz, in the next bay out board of the strut mount on my left wing. Should I add an equivalent amount of weight in the right wing for balance? Thanks, Nick Cassara Palmer, AK Kolbra #1 Prototype ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:00:15 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Weight in one wing...? From: Charlie England LRI's are basically angle of attack indicators. I suppose you could argue that you don't need them on an ultralite (type) a/c, but then, we don't know how he intends to use the a/c. US Navy pilots depend on AOA indicators to land on carriers safely, and some 'bush' pilots do, too. As far as balance goes, odds are high that component tolerances and build errors will easily mask an 11 oz weight difference. On a plane with wing tanks, just over 0.1 gallons of fuel difference between tanks would cause that much imbalance. Charlie On 1/9/2016 12:29 PM, Patrick Ladd wrote: > I installed a Lift Reserve Indicator probe with a plate>> > What the hell is that and why do you need it.Particularly if you are > adding 11 ozs. Totally ignorant. Pat > *From:* Nick Cassara > *Sent:* Monday, January 4, 2016 7:56 PM > *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Kolb-List: Weight in one wing...? > > Hello Kolber flyers, > > I am covering my left wing. I installed a Lift Reserve Indicator probe > with a plate, that weights about 11oz, in the next bay out board of > the strut mount on my left wing. Should I add an equivalent amount of > weight in the right wing for balance? > > Thanks, > > Nick Cassara > Palmer, AK > > Kolbra #1 p; -- Please Support Your Lists This Month (And Get > Annual List below to Incentive Gifts > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/cThank > you for your generous ; -Matt Dralle, List > nbsp; Navigator Photoshare, and > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronicp; > the Web href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > _p; generous bsp; > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c=============== > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:47:00 AM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Aileron trim From: Richard Girard --------------------------- < Doubtful it is caused by torque, at least no Kolb I've ever flown has had the tendency. > ------------------------- If you have an engine on an aircraft there will always be a torque component in play as long as the engine is operating under load. For example, a Rotax 912 81 hp engine generates 75.9 ft-lb torque at 4800 rpm. Add a 2.43:1 gear box and the torque at the propeller goes to 184 ft-lb. This means it will take about an 18 lb vertical force at the wing tip to keep the wings level. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:11:24 PM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Horizontal stabilizer seals >At 11:56 AM 1/10/2016, you wrote: I believe what happens is that the air leaking through the slot between the horizontal stabilizer and the boom tube causes the flow to go more vertically over the rudder rather than horizontally. I base this on the results of tuft testing I did on the Mk III's rear fuselage segment as seen in the video I shot of the tests: > Rick, I believe if you check it out you will find that while you are in level flight the tail has to exert a downward force. This means the air pressure on top of the horizontal stabilizer will be greater than that found on the bottom side. Air will always move from high to low pressure. So, if any air is moving through the gap, it will be down through the gap not up. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:59:57 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Horizontal stabilizer seals What if the tail section is on a few feet from the prop which is generating a very strong rotating column of air directly on the tail section? Air flow over the tail of a Kolb is interesting based on prop wash. I get a pretty good idea of what the air is doing based on crankcase residue being blown from the vent tube and sticking to the tail section. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack B. Hart Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 1:56 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Horizontal stabilizer seals --> >At 11:56 AM 1/10/2016, you wrote: I believe what happens is that the air leaking through the slot between the horizontal stabilizer and the boom tube causes the flow to go more vertically over the rudder rather than horizontally. I base this on the results of tuft testing I did on the Mk III's rear fuselage segment as seen in the video I shot of the tests: > Rick, I believe if you check it out you will find that while you are in level flight the tail has to exert a downward force. This means the air pressure on top of the horizontal stabilizer will be greater than that found on the bottom side. Air will always move from high to low pressure. So, if any air is moving through the gap, it will be down through the gap not up. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:07:40 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 01/09/16 Keith Callfas: Where did you get your information on Kolbs? Kolbs are definitely airplanes. They have fixed wings, an engine, and fly. I don't know what you mean by up and around. I know a few Kolbs that have flown and are still flying up and around all over the US, Canada, and Alaska. Are you familiar with Kolb aircraft? john h mkIII Titus, Alabama -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Keith Callfas Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 1:29 PM Subject: Kolb-List: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 01/09/16 You people act like these are airplanes they are air carts not ment to fly any were but up and around! --- Original Message --- From: "Kolb-List Digest Server" Sent: January 10, 2016 2:14 AM Subject: Kolb-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 01/09/16 * ================================================= Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================= Today's complete Kolb-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the Kolb-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. HTML Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 16-01-09&Archive=Kolb Text Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 2016-01-09&Archive=Kolb =============================================== EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive =============================================== ---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 01/09/16: 2 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 10:29 AM - Re: Weight in one wing...? (Patrick Ladd) 2. 12:00 PM - Re: Weight in one wing...? (Charlie England) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 10:29:45 AM PST US From: Patrick Ladd Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Weight in one wing...? I installed a Lift Reserve Indicator probe with a plate>> What the hell is that and why do you need it.Particularly if you are adding 11 ozs. Totally ignorant. Pat From: Nick Cassara Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 7:56 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Weight in one wing...? Hello Kolber flyers, I am covering my left wing. I installed a Lift Reserve Indicator probe with a plate, that weights about 11oz, in the next bay out board of the strut mount on my left wing. Should I add an equivalent amount of weight in the right wing for balance? Thanks, Nick Cassara Palmer, AK Kolbra #1 Prototype ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:00:15 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Weight in one wing...? From: Charlie England LRI's are basically angle of attack indicators. I suppose you could argue that you don't need them on an ultralite (type) a/c, but then, we don't know how he intends to use the a/c. US Navy pilots depend on AOA indicators to land on carriers safely, and some 'bush' pilots do, too. As far as balance goes, odds are high that component tolerances and build errors will easily mask an 11 oz weight difference. On a plane with wing tanks, just over 0.1 gallons of fuel difference between tanks would cause that much imbalance. Charlie On 1/9/2016 12:29 PM, Patrick Ladd wrote: > I installed a Lift Reserve Indicator probe with a plate>> What the > hell is that and why do you need it.Particularly if you are adding 11 > ozs. Totally ignorant. Pat > *From:* Nick Cassara > *Sent:* Monday, January 4, 2016 7:56 PM > *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Kolb-List: Weight in one wing...? > > Hello Kolber flyers, > > I am covering my left wing. I installed a Lift Reserve Indicator probe > with a plate, that weights about 11oz, in the next bay out board of > the strut mount on my left wing. Should I add an equivalent amount of > weight in the right wing for balance? > > Thanks, > > Nick Cassara > Palmer, AK > > Kolbra #1 p; -- Please Support Your Lists This Month (And Get > Annual List below to Incentive Gifts > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/cThank > you for your generous ; -Matt Dralle, List > nbsp; Navigator Photoshare, and > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matroni > cp; the Web > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > _p; generous bsp; > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/ > c=============== > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:29:52 PM PST US From: Richard Neilsen Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 01/09/16 Keith Did you know you were posting to the Kolb list??? Many of our planes fly substantial distances. I was a bit insulted. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MkIII Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 10, 2016, at 2:28 PM, Keith Callfas wrote: > > > You people act like these are airplanes they are air carts not ment to fly any were but up and around! > > --- Original Message --- > > From: "Kolb-List Digest Server" > Sent: January 10, 2016 2:14 AM > To: "Kolb-List Digest List" > Subject: Kolb-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 01/09/16 > > > * > > ================================================= > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================= > > Today's complete Kolb-List Digest can also be found in either of the > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes > and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version > of the Kolb-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor > such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 16-01-09&Archive=Kolb > > Text Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 16-01-09&Archive=Kolb > > > =============================================== > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > =============================================== > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Kolb-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Sat 01/09/16: 2 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > 1. 10:29 AM - Re: Weight in one wing...? (Patrick Ladd) > 2. 12:00 PM - Re: Weight in one wing...? (Charlie England) > > > > ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 10:29:45 AM PST US > From: Patrick Ladd > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Weight in one wing...? > > I installed a Lift Reserve Indicator probe with a plate>> > > What the hell is that and why do you need it.Particularly if you are > adding 11 ozs. Totally ignorant. Pat > > From: Nick Cassara > Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 7:56 PM > Subject: Kolb-List: Weight in one wing...? > > > Hello Kolber flyers, > > I am covering my left wing. I installed a Lift Reserve Indicator probe > with a plate, that weights about 11oz, in the next bay out board of the > strut mount on my left wing. Should I add an equivalent amount of weight > in the right wing for balance? > > Thanks, > > Nick Cassara > Palmer, AK > > Kolbra #1 Prototype > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 12:00:15 PM PST US > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Weight in one wing...? > From: Charlie England > > LRI's are basically angle of attack indicators. I suppose you could > argue that you don't need them on an ultralite (type) a/c, but then, we > don't know how he intends to use the a/c. US Navy pilots depend on AOA > indicators to land on carriers safely, and some 'bush' pilots do, too. > > As far as balance goes, odds are high that component tolerances and > build errors will easily mask an 11 oz weight difference. On a plane > with wing tanks, just over 0.1 gallons of fuel difference between tanks > would cause that much imbalance. > > Charlie > >> On 1/9/2016 12:29 PM, Patrick Ladd wrote: >> I installed a Lift Reserve Indicator probe with a plate>> >> What the hell is that and why do you need it.Particularly if you are >> adding 11 ozs. Totally ignorant. Pat >> *From:* Nick Cassara >> *Sent:* Monday, January 4, 2016 7:56 PM >> *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com >> *Subject:* Kolb-List: Weight in one wing...? >> >> Hello Kolber flyers, >> >> I am covering my left wing. I installed a Lift Reserve Indicator probe >> with a plate, that weights about 11oz, in the next bay out board of >> the strut mount on my left wing. Should I add an equivalent amount of >> weight in the right wing for balance? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Nick Cassara >> Palmer, AK >> >> Kolbra #1 p; -- Please Support Your Lists This Month (And Get >> Annual List below to Incentive Gifts >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/cThank >> you for your generous ; -Matt Dralle, List >> nbsp; Navigator Photoshare, and >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronicp; >> the Web href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> _p; generous bsp; >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c=============== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:13:01 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 01/09/16 From: kinne russ Keith Nothing personal, but you are VERY uninformed (AKA ignorant) about Kolbs. Do a little research Russ K > On Jan 10, 2016, at 2:28 PM, Keith Callfas wrote: > > > You people act like these are airplanes they are air carts not ment to fly any were but up and around! > > --- Original Message --- > > From: "Kolb-List Digest Server" > Sent: January 10, 2016 2:14 AM > To: "Kolb-List Digest List" > Subject: Kolb-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 01/09/16 > > > * > > ================================================= > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================= > > Today's complete Kolb-List Digest can also be found in either of the > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes > and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version > of the Kolb-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor > such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 16-01-09&Archive=Kolb > > Text Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 16-01-09&Archive=Kolb > > > =============================================== > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > =============================================== > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Kolb-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Sat 01/09/16: 2 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > 1. 10:29 AM - Re: Weight in one wing...? (Patrick Ladd) > 2. 12:00 PM - Re: Weight in one wing...? (Charlie England) > > > > ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 10:29:45 AM PST US > From: Patrick Ladd > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Weight in one wing...? > > I installed a Lift Reserve Indicator probe with a plate>> > > What the hell is that and why do you need it.Particularly if you are > adding 11 ozs. Totally ignorant. Pat > > From: Nick Cassara > Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 7:56 PM > Subject: Kolb-List: Weight in one wing...? > > > Hello Kolber flyers, > > I am covering my left wing. I installed a Lift Reserve Indicator probe > with a plate, that weights about 11oz, in the next bay out board of the > strut mount on my left wing. Should I add an equivalent amount of weight > in the right wing for balance? > > Thanks, > > Nick Cassara > Palmer, AK > > Kolbra #1 Prototype > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 12:00:15 PM PST US > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Weight in one wing...? > From: Charlie England > > LRI's are basically angle of attack indicators. I suppose you could > argue that you don't need them on an ultralite (type) a/c, but then, we > don't know how he intends to use the a/c. US Navy pilots depend on AOA > indicators to land on carriers safely, and some 'bush' pilots do, too. > > As far as balance goes, odds are high that component tolerances and > build errors will easily mask an 11 oz weight difference. On a plane > with wing tanks, just over 0.1 gallons of fuel difference between tanks > would cause that much imbalance. > > Charlie > > On 1/9/2016 12:29 PM, Patrick Ladd wrote: >> I installed a Lift Reserve Indicator probe with a plate>> >> What the hell is that and why do you need it.Particularly if you are >> adding 11 ozs. Totally ignorant. Pat >> *From:* Nick Cassara >> *Sent:* Monday, January 4, 2016 7:56 PM >> *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com >> *Subject:* Kolb-List: Weight in one wing...? >> >> Hello Kolber flyers, >> >> I am covering my left wing. I installed a Lift Reserve Indicator probe >> with a plate, that weights about 11oz, in the next bay out board of >> the strut mount on my left wing. Should I add an equivalent amount of >> weight in the right wing for balance? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Nick Cassara >> Palmer, AK >> >> Kolbra #1 p; -- Please Support Your Lists This Month (And Get >> Annual List below to Incentive Gifts >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/cThank >> you for your generous ; -Matt Dralle, List >> nbsp; Navigator Photoshare, and >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronicp; >> the Web href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> _p; generous bsp; >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c=============== >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:20:18 PM PST US From: Bradley Nation Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 01/09/16 No they only fly short hops like this: http://www.kolbaircraft.com/johnhauck2.htm > On Jan 10, 2016, at 12:28 , Keith Callfas wrote: > > > You people act like these are airplanes they are air carts not ment to fly any were but up and around! > > --- Original Message --- > > From: "Kolb-List Digest Server" > Sent: January 10, 2016 2:14 AM > To: "Kolb-List Digest List" > Subject: Kolb-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 01/09/16 > > > * > > ======================== > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ======================== > > Today's complete Kolb-List Digest can also be found in either of the > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes > and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version > of the Kolb-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor > such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&C hapter 16-01-09&Archive=Kolb > > Text Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Ch apter 16-01-09&Archive=Kolb > > > ======================== ======================= > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > ======================== ======================= > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Kolb-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Sat 01/09/16: 2 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > 1. 10:29 AM - Re: Weight in one wing...? (Patrick Ladd) > 2. 12:00 PM - Re: Weight in one wing...? (Charlie England) > > > > ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 10:29:45 AM PST US > From: Patrick Ladd > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Weight in one wing...? > > I installed a Lift Reserve Indicator probe with a plate>> > > What the hell is that and why do you need it.Particularly if you are > adding 11 ozs. Totally ignorant. Pat > > From: Nick Cassara > Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 7:56 PM > Subject: Kolb-List: Weight in one wing...? > > > Hello Kolber flyers, > > I am covering my left wing. I installed a Lift Reserve Indicator probe > with a plate, that weights about 11oz, in the next bay out board of the > strut mount on my left wing. Should I add an equivalent amount of weight > in the right wing for balance? > > Thanks, > > Nick Cassara > Palmer, AK > > Kolbra #1 Prototype > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 12:00:15 PM PST US > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Weight in one wing...? > From: Charlie England > > LRI's are basically angle of attack indicators. I suppose you could > argue that you don't need them on an ultralite (type) a/c, but then, we > don't know how he intends to use the a/c. US Navy pilots depend on AOA > indicators to land on carriers safely, and some 'bush' pilots do, too. > > As far as balance goes, odds are high that component tolerances and > build errors will easily mask an 11 oz weight difference. On a plane > with wing tanks, just over 0.1 gallons of fuel difference between tanks > would cause that much imbalance. > > Charlie > > On 1/9/2016 12:29 PM, Patrick Ladd wrote: >> I installed a Lift Reserve Indicator probe with a plate>> >> What the hell is that and why do you need it.Particularly if you are >> adding 11 ozs. Totally ignorant. Pat >> *From:* Nick Cassara >> *Sent:* Monday, January 4, 2016 7:56 PM >> *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com >> *Subject:* Kolb-List: Weight in one wing...? >> >> Hello Kolber flyers, >> >> I am covering my left wing. I installed a Lift Reserve Indicator probe >> with a plate, that weights about 11oz, in the next bay out board of >> the strut mount on my left wing. Should I add an equivalent amount of >> weight in the right wing for balance? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Nick Cassara >> Palmer, AK >> >> Kolbra #1 p; -- Please Support Your Lists This Month (And Get >> Annual List below to Incentive Gifts >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/cT hank >> you for your generous ; -Matt Dralle, List >> nbsp; Navigator Photoshare, and >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronicp ; >> the Web href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> _p; generous bsp; >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c= ============== >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.