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Subject: | RE: Kolb-List Digest: 14 Msgs - 01/10/16 |
I have two also have well over 100 hours driving ultralight of many kinds t
he base for all of Kolb but at best a mark Xtra is a over grown Firestarter
they are not mentioned to have glass cockpits rockets bombs or all the stu
ff people want to stuff in the wings they are ment to have fun with not to
fly to Alaska in sorry but you asked for my 2 cents
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1. 03:30 AM - Re: Weight in one wing...? (Patrick Ladd)
2. 07:58 AM - Re: Weight in one wing...? (Martin Koxxy)
3. 09:12 AM - Re: Re: Horizontal stabilizer seals (Richard Girard)
4. 09:37 AM - Re: Re: Horizontal stabilizer seals (william sullivan)
5. 10:15 AM - Re: Re: Horizontal stabilizer seals (Charlie England)
6. 11:43 AM - Re: Re: Horizontal stabilizer seals (mojavjoe@comcast.n
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7. 11:44 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 01/09/16 (Keith Callfas)
8. 11:47 AM - Re: Re: Aileron trim (Jack B. Hart)
9. 12:11 PM - Re: Re: Horizontal stabilizer seals (Jack B. Hart)
10. 12:59 PM - Re: Re: Horizontal stabilizer seals (John Hauck)
11. 01:07 PM - Re: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 01/09/16 (John Hauck
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12. 01:29 PM - Re: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 01/09/16 (Richard Ne
ilsen)
13. 05:13 PM - Re: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 01/09/16 (kinne russ
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14. 06:20 PM - Re: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 01/09/16 (Bradley Na
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Time: 03:30:05 AM PST US
From: Patrick Ladd <patrickjladd@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Weight in one wing...?
Hi Charlie,
i suppose what I was asking in a guarded manner was why would anyone in
a ultralight, or indeed any light aircraft want an unnecessary
complication like this. Still we all pimp our rides to suit ourselves.
As far as the extra 11 ozs goes I would have thought that in the fight
to keep ultralight below the legal weight limit even 11 ozs. needs to be
watched. Weight increases naturally after the initial weighing anyway
with radios, GPS, cameras etc.
The guy who built my Extra added all sorts of odd little brackets or a
bit of stiffening or beefing up wherever he saw what he considered a
weak point. All without consulting me a couple of hundred miles away.
This caused all sorts of fancy maths to get her certified as a
microlight.
Cheers
Pat
From: Charlie England
Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Weight in one wing...?
LRI's are basically angle of attack indicators. I suppose you could
argue that you don't need them on an ultralite (type) a/c, but then, we
don't know how he intends to use the a/c. US Navy pilots depend on AOA
indicators to land on carriers safely, and some 'bush' pilots do, too.
As far as balance goes, odds are high that component tolerances and
build errors will easily mask an 11 oz weight difference. On a plane
with wing tanks, just over 0.1 gallons of fuel difference between tanks
would cause that much imbalance.
Charlie
On 1/9/2016 12:29 PM, Patrick Ladd wrote:
I installed a Lift Reserve Indicator probe with a plate>>
What the hell is that and why do you need it.Particularly if you are
adding 11 ozs. Totally ignorant. Pat
From: Nick Cassara
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 7:56 PM
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Subject: Kolb-List: Weight in one wing...?
mailto:nickc@mtaonline.net
Hello Kolber flyers,
I am covering my left wing. I installed a Lift Reserve Indicator probe
with a plate, that weights about 11oz, in the next bay out board of the
strut mount on my left wing. Should I add an equivalent amount of weight
in the right wing for balance?
Thanks,
Nick Cassara
Palmer, AK
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Time: 07:58:57 AM PST US
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Weight in one wing...?
From: Martin Koxxy <martinkoxxy@gmail.com>
Mark Beierle, the designer of the Earthstar line of planes (Thundergull,
Gull 2000, Odyssey), makes exactly that point. Ultralights and
near-ultralights tend to be flown a lot more by seat-of-the-pants and
exterior view clues than by instruments, and the added weight and
complication goes contrary to the Ultralight "spirit".
That said, while learning to fly my eGull, I would have appreciated an LRI
or AOA (angle of attack) indicator to calibrate myself. But now, after only
10 hours, I can tell this calibration process is well under way, and my
instrument scans are getting shorter and less frequent, with more attention
paid to the sight picture (and traffic in the pattern).
Weight: If I had gone through with an AOA instrument, I would have added
only a second, angled pitot tube and hose, and my GRT EFIS would have been
able to display AOA on the screen - a weight penalty in the 3-4 oz range.
On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 3:29 AM, Patrick Ladd <patrickjladd@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi Charlie,
> i suppose what I was asking in a guarded manner was why would anyone in a
> ultralight, or indeed any light aircraft want an unnecessary complication
> like this. Still we all pimp our rides to suit ourselves. As far as the
> extra 11 ozs goes I would have thought that in the fight to keep ultralig
ht
> below the legal weight limit even 11 ozs. needs to be watched. Weight
> increases naturally after the initial weighing anyway with radios, GPS,
> cameras etc.
> The guy who built my Extra added all sorts of odd little brackets or a bi
t
> of stiffening or beefing up wherever he saw what he considered a weak
> point. All without consulting me a couple of hundred miles away. This
> caused all sorts of fancy maths to get her certified as a microlight.
> Cheers
> Pat
>
> *From:* Charlie England <ceengland7@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 9, 2016 8:00 PM
> *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Kolb-List: Weight in one wing...?
>
> LRI's are basically angle of attack indicators. I suppose you could argue
> that you don't need them on an ultralite (type) a/c, but then, we don't
> know how he intends to use the a/c. US Navy pilots depend on AOA indicato
rs
> to land on carriers safely, and some 'bush' pilots do, too.
>
> As far as balance goes, odds are high that component tolerances and build
> errors will easily mask an 11 oz weight difference. On a plane with wing
> tanks, just over 0.1 gallons of fuel difference between tanks would cause
> that much imbalance.
>
> Charlie
>
> On 1/9/2016 12:29 PM, Patrick Ladd wrote:
>
> I installed a Lift Reserve Indicator probe with a plate>>
>
> What the hell is that and why do you need it.Particularly if you are
> adding 11 ozs. Totally ignorant. Pat
>
> *From:* Nick Cassara <nickc@mtaonline.net>
> *Sent:* Monday, January 4, 2016 7:56 PM
> *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Kolb-List: Weight in one wing...?
>
> <nickc@mtaonline.net>
>
> Hello Kolber flyers,
>
> I am covering my left wing. I installed a Lift Reserve Indicator probe
> with a plate, that weights about 11oz, in the next bay out board of the
> strut mount on my left wing. Should I add an equivalent amount of weight
in
> the right wing for balance?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nick Cassara
> Palmer, AK
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Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Horizontal stabilizer seals
From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
I believe what happens is that the air leaking through the slot between the
horizontal stabilizer and the boom tube causes the flow to go more
vertically over the rudder rather than horizontally. I base this on the
results of tuft testing I did on the Mk III's rear fuselage segment as seen
in the video I shot of the tests:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IG796iiymYw
I attached photos of the gap seals to the original post but just in
case...... The photo shows the second set of seals with their peel ply
covering with the first set of seals all trimmed up and ready to bond to
the second set when they are cured and trimmed. This style of construction
was only possible because the "plane from hell" had the horizontal
stabilizer set on the center line of the tube.
Rick
On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 11:49 PM, wakataka <wakataka@charter.net> wrote:
>
> Any idea why sealing the elevator gap had such an effect on the rudder
> effectiveness? I wouldn't have expected that.
>
> I'd love to see a photo of the seals you built. I'm planning to recover m
y
> Firestar next year and gap seals are one of the things I need to figure o
ut
> how to install.
>
> --------
> There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale
> returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact.
>
> Mark Twain
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451801#451801
>
>
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Time: 09:37:28 AM PST US
From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan@att.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Horizontal stabilizer seals
Rick- How do you fold it? It looks to be a rigid assembly.
Bill Sullivan
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Time: 10:15:48 AM PST US
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Horizontal stabilizer seals
From: Charlie England <ceengland7@gmail.com>
Wouldn't the air be going *down* through the tube-stabilizer gap? (Higher
pressure on top of the tail.) That would still reduce the rudder's
effectiveness, since vertical flow would disrupt horizontal flow across the
rudder.
On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
wrote:
> I believe what happens is that the air leaking through the slot between
> the horizontal stabilizer and the boom tube causes the flow to go more
> vertically over the rudder rather than horizontally. I base this on the
> results of tuft testing I did on the Mk III's rear fuselage segment as se
en
> in the video I shot of the tests:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IG796iiymYw
>
> I attached photos of the gap seals to the original post but just in
> case...... The photo shows the second set of seals with their peel ply
> covering with the first set of seals all trimmed up and ready to bond to
> the second set when they are cured and trimmed. This style of constructio
n
> was only possible because the "plane from hell" had the horizontal
> stabilizer set on the center line of the tube.
>
> Rick
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 11:49 PM, wakataka <wakataka@charter.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Any idea why sealing the elevator gap had such an effect on the rudder
>> effectiveness? I wouldn't have expected that.
>>
>> I'd love to see a photo of the seals you built. I'm planning to recover
>> my Firestar next year and gap seals are one of the things I need to figu
re
>> out how to install.
>>
>> --------
>> There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale
>> returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact.
>>
>> Mark Twain
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451801#451801
>>
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Time: 11:43:30 AM PST US
From: mojavjoe@comcast.net
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Horizontal stabilizer seals
Couldn't the seals be attached to the boom tube under the horizontal stab.
so it could be folded. Also if properly braced it might take the place of t
he upper wire bracing.
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From: "Charlie England" <ceengland7@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 1:06:25 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Horizontal stabilizer seals
Wouldn't the air be going *down* through the tube-stabilizer gap? (Higher p
ressure on top of the tail.) That would still reduce the rudder's effective
ness, since vertical flow would disrupt horizontal flow across the rudder.
On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Richard Girard < aslsa.rng@gmail.com > wr
ote:
I believe what happens is that the air leaking through the slot between the
horizontal stabilizer and the boom tube causes the flow to go more vertica
lly over the rudder rather than horizontally. I base this on the results of
tuft testing I did on the Mk III's rear fuselage segment as seen in the vi
deo I shot of the tests:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IG796iiymYw
I attached photos of the gap seals to the original post but just in case...
... The photo shows the second set of seals with their peel ply covering wi
th the first set of seals all trimmed up and ready to bond to the second se
t when they are cured and trimmed. This style of construction was only poss
ible because the "plane from hell" had the horizontal stabilizer set on the
center line of the tube.
Rick
On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 11:49 PM, wakataka < wakataka@charter.net > wrote:
<blockquote>
Any idea why sealing the elevator gap had such an effect on the rudder effe
ctiveness? I wouldn't have expected that.
I'd love to see a photo of the seals you built. I'm planning to recover my
Firestar next year and gap seals are one of the things I need to figure out
how to install.
--------
There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale retur
ns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact.
Mark Twain
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451801#451801
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Time: 11:44:37 AM PST US
From: Keith Callfas <kkcmax@msn.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 01/09/16
You people act like these are airplanes they are air carts not ment to fly
any
were but up and around!
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1. 10:29 AM - Re: Weight in one wing...? (Patrick Ladd)
2. 12:00 PM - Re: Weight in one wing...? (Charlie England)
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Time: 10:29:45 AM PST US
From: Patrick Ladd <patrickjladd@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Weight in one wing...?
I installed a Lift Reserve Indicator probe with a plate>>
What the hell is that and why do you need it.Particularly if you are
adding 11 ozs. Totally ignorant. Pat
From: Nick Cassara
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 7:56 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Weight in one wing...?
Hello Kolber flyers,
I am covering my left wing. I installed a Lift Reserve Indicator probe
with a plate, that weights about 11oz, in the next bay out board of the
strut mount on my left wing. Should I add an equivalent amount of weight
in the right wing for balance?
Thanks,
Nick Cassara
Palmer, AK
Kolbra #1 Prototype
________________________________ Message 2 ______________________________
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Time: 12:00:15 PM PST US
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Weight in one wing...?
From: Charlie England <ceengland7@gmail.com>
LRI's are basically angle of attack indicators. I suppose you could
argue that you don't need them on an ultralite (type) a/c, but then, we
don't know how he intends to use the a/c. US Navy pilots depend on AOA
indicators to land on carriers safely, and some 'bush' pilots do, too.
As far as balance goes, odds are high that component tolerances and
build errors will easily mask an 11 oz weight difference. On a plane
with wing tanks, just over 0.1 gallons of fuel difference between tanks
would cause that much imbalance.
Charlie
On 1/9/2016 12:29 PM, Patrick Ladd wrote:
> I installed a Lift Reserve Indicator probe with a plate>>
> What the hell is that and why do you need it.Particularly if you are
> adding 11 ozs. Totally ignorant. Pat
> *From:* Nick Cassara <mailto:nickc@mtaonline.net>
> *Sent:* Monday, January 4, 2016 7:56 PM
> *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com <mailto:kolb-list@matronics.com>
> *Subject:* Kolb-List: Weight in one wing...?
>
> Hello Kolber flyers,
>
> I am covering my left wing. I installed a Lift Reserve Indicator probe
> with a plate, that weights about 11oz, in the next bay out board of
> the strut mount on my left wing. Should I add an equivalent amount of
> weight in the right wing for balance?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nick Cassara
> Palmer, AK
>
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Time: 11:47:00 AM PST US
From: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Aileron trim
From: Richard Girard
---------------------------
< Doubtful it is caused by torque, at least no Kolb I've ever flown
has had the tendency. >
-------------------------
If you have an engine on an aircraft there will always be a torque
component in play as long as the engine is operating under load.
For example, a Rotax 912 81 hp engine generates 75.9 ft-lb torque at
4800 rpm. Add a 2.43:1 gear box and the torque at the propeller goes
to 184 ft-lb. This means it will take about an 18 lb vertical force
at the wing tip to keep the wings level.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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Time: 12:11:24 PM PST US
From: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Horizontal stabilizer seals
>At 11:56 AM 1/10/2016, you wrote:
I believe what happens is that the air leaking through the slot
between the horizontal stabilizer and the boom tube causes the flow to
go more vertically over the rudder rather than horizontally. I base
this on the results of tuft testing I did on the Mk III's rear
fuselage segment as seen in the video I shot of the tests:
>
Rick,
I believe if you check it out you will find that while you are in
level flight the tail has to exert a downward force. This means the
air pressure on top of the horizontal stabilizer will be greater than
that found on the bottom side. Air will always move from high to low
pressure. So, if any air is moving through the gap, it will be down
through the gap not up.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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Time: 12:59:57 PM PST US
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Horizontal stabilizer seals
What if the tail section is on a few feet from the prop which is generating
a very strong rotating column of air directly on the tail section?
Air flow over the tail of a Kolb is interesting based on prop wash. I get
a
pretty good idea of what the air is doing based on crankcase residue being
blown from the vent tube and sticking to the tail section.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack B. Hart
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Horizontal stabilizer seals
--> <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
>At 11:56 AM 1/10/2016, you wrote:
I believe what happens is that the air leaking through the slot between the
horizontal stabilizer and the boom tube causes the flow to go more
vertically over the rudder rather than horizontally. I base this on the
results of tuft testing I did on the Mk III's rear fuselage segment as seen
in the video I shot of the tests:
>
Rick,
I believe if you check it out you will find that while you are in level
flight the tail has to exert a downward force. This means the air pressure
on top of the horizontal stabilizer will be greater than that found on the
bottom side. Air will always move from high to low pressure. So, if any
air is moving through the gap, it will be down through the gap not up.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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Time: 01:07:40 PM PST US
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 01/09/16
Keith Callfas:
Where did you get your information on Kolbs?
Kolbs are definitely airplanes. They have fixed wings, an engine, and fly.
I don't know what you mean by up and around. I know a few Kolbs that have
flown and are still flying up and around all over the US, Canada, and
Alaska.
Are you familiar with Kolb aircraft?
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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You people act like these are airplanes they are air carts not ment to fly
any were but up and around!
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1. 10:29 AM - Re: Weight in one wing...? (Patrick Ladd)
2. 12:00 PM - Re: Weight in one wing...? (Charlie England)
________________________________ Message 1
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Time: 10:29:45 AM PST US
From: Patrick Ladd <patrickjladd@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Weight in one wing...?
I installed a Lift Reserve Indicator probe with a plate>>
What the hell is that and why do you need it.Particularly if you are addin
g
11 ozs. Totally ignorant. Pat
From: Nick Cassara
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 7:56 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Weight in one wing...?
Hello Kolber flyers,
I am covering my left wing. I installed a Lift Reserve Indicator probe with
a plate, that weights about 11oz, in the next bay out board of the strut
mount on my left wing. Should I add an equivalent amount of weight in the
right wing for balance?
Thanks,
Nick Cassara
Palmer, AK
Kolbra #1 Prototype
________________________________ Message 2
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Time: 12:00:15 PM PST US
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Weight in one wing...?
From: Charlie England <ceengland7@gmail.com>
LRI's are basically angle of attack indicators. I suppose you could argue
that you don't need them on an ultralite (type) a/c, but then, we don't kno
w
how he intends to use the a/c. US Navy pilots depend on AOA indicators to
land on carriers safely, and some 'bush' pilots do, too.
As far as balance goes, odds are high that component tolerances and build
errors will easily mask an 11 oz weight difference. On a plane with wing
tanks, just over 0.1 gallons of fuel difference between tanks would cause
that much imbalance.
Charlie
On 1/9/2016 12:29 PM, Patrick Ladd wrote:
> I installed a Lift Reserve Indicator probe with a plate>> What the
> hell is that and why do you need it.Particularly if you are adding 11
> ozs. Totally ignorant. Pat
> *From:* Nick Cassara <mailto:nickc@mtaonline.net>
> *Sent:* Monday, January 4, 2016 7:56 PM
> *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com <mailto:kolb-list@matronics.com>
> *Subject:* Kolb-List: Weight in one wing...?
>
> Hello Kolber flyers,
>
> I am covering my left wing. I installed a Lift Reserve Indicator probe
> with a plate, that weights about 11oz, in the next bay out board of
> the strut mount on my left wing. Should I add an equivalent amount of
> weight in the right wing for balance?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nick Cassara
> Palmer, AK
>
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Time: 01:29:52 PM PST US
From: Richard Neilsen <neilsenrm@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 01/09/16
Keith
Did you know you were posting to the Kolb list??? Many of our planes fly su
bstantial
distances. I was a bit insulted.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MkIII
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> On Jan 10, 2016, at 2:28 PM, Keith Callfas <kkcmax@msn.com> wrote:
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>
> You people act like these are airplanes they are air carts not ment to fl
y any
were but up and around!
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> 1. 10:29 AM - Re: Weight in one wing...? (Patrick Ladd)
> 2. 12:00 PM - Re: Weight in one wing...? (Charlie England)
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> Time: 10:29:45 AM PST US
> From: Patrick Ladd <patrickjladd@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Weight in one wing...?
>
> I installed a Lift Reserve Indicator probe with a plate>>
>
> What the hell is that and why do you need it.Particularly if you are
> adding 11 ozs. Totally ignorant. Pat
>
> From: Nick Cassara
> Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 7:56 PM
> Subject: Kolb-List: Weight in one wing...?
>
>
> Hello Kolber flyers,
>
> I am covering my left wing. I installed a Lift Reserve Indicator probe
> with a plate, that weights about 11oz, in the next bay out board of the
> strut mount on my left wing. Should I add an equivalent amount of weight
> in the right wing for balance?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nick Cassara
> Palmer, AK
>
> Kolbra #1 Prototype
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2 ____________________________
_________
>
>
> Time: 12:00:15 PM PST US
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Weight in one wing...?
> From: Charlie England <ceengland7@gmail.com>
>
> LRI's are basically angle of attack indicators. I suppose you could
> argue that you don't need them on an ultralite (type) a/c, but then, we
> don't know how he intends to use the a/c. US Navy pilots depend on AOA
> indicators to land on carriers safely, and some 'bush' pilots do, too.
>
> As far as balance goes, odds are high that component tolerances and
> build errors will easily mask an 11 oz weight difference. On a plane
> with wing tanks, just over 0.1 gallons of fuel difference between tanks
> would cause that much imbalance.
>
> Charlie
>
>> On 1/9/2016 12:29 PM, Patrick Ladd wrote:
>> I installed a Lift Reserve Indicator probe with a plate>>
>> What the hell is that and why do you need it.Particularly if you are
>> adding 11 ozs. Totally ignorant. Pat
>> *From:* Nick Cassara <mailto:nickc@mtaonline.net>
>> *Sent:* Monday, January 4, 2016 7:56 PM
>> *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com <mailto:kolb-list@matronics.com>
>> *Subject:* Kolb-List: Weight in one wing...?
>>
>> Hello Kolber flyers,
>>
>> I am covering my left wing. I installed a Lift Reserve Indicator probe
>> with a plate, that weights about 11oz, in the next bay out board of
>> the strut mount on my left wing. Should I add an equivalent amount of
>> weight in the right wing for balance?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Nick Cassara
>> Palmer, AK
>>
>> Kolbra #1 p; -- Please Support Your Lists This Month (And Get
>> Annual List below to Incentive Gifts
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________________________________ Message 13 _____________________________
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Time: 05:13:01 PM PST US
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 01/09/16
From: kinne russ <russk50@gmail.com>
Keith
Nothing personal, but you are VERY uninformed (AKA ignorant) about Kolbs.
Do a little research
Russ K
> On Jan 10, 2016, at 2:28 PM, Keith Callfas <kkcmax@msn.com> wrote:
>
>
> You people act like these are airplanes they are air carts not ment to fl
y any
were but up and around!
>
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> 1. 10:29 AM - Re: Weight in one wing...? (Patrick Ladd)
> 2. 12:00 PM - Re: Weight in one wing...? (Charlie England)
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> ________________________________ Message 1 ____________________________
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> Time: 10:29:45 AM PST US
> From: Patrick Ladd <patrickjladd@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Weight in one wing...?
>
> I installed a Lift Reserve Indicator probe with a plate>>
>
> What the hell is that and why do you need it.Particularly if you are
> adding 11 ozs. Totally ignorant. Pat
>
> From: Nick Cassara
> Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 7:56 PM
> Subject: Kolb-List: Weight in one wing...?
>
>
> Hello Kolber flyers,
>
> I am covering my left wing. I installed a Lift Reserve Indicator probe
> with a plate, that weights about 11oz, in the next bay out board of the
> strut mount on my left wing. Should I add an equivalent amount of weight
> in the right wing for balance?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nick Cassara
> Palmer, AK
>
> Kolbra #1 Prototype
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2 ____________________________
_________
>
>
> Time: 12:00:15 PM PST US
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Weight in one wing...?
> From: Charlie England <ceengland7@gmail.com>
>
> LRI's are basically angle of attack indicators. I suppose you could
> argue that you don't need them on an ultralite (type) a/c, but then, we
> don't know how he intends to use the a/c. US Navy pilots depend on AOA
> indicators to land on carriers safely, and some 'bush' pilots do, too.
>
> As far as balance goes, odds are high that component tolerances and
> build errors will easily mask an 11 oz weight difference. On a plane
> with wing tanks, just over 0.1 gallons of fuel difference between tanks
> would cause that much imbalance.
>
> Charlie
>
> On 1/9/2016 12:29 PM, Patrick Ladd wrote:
>> I installed a Lift Reserve Indicator probe with a plate>>
>> What the hell is that and why do you need it.Particularly if you are
>> adding 11 ozs. Totally ignorant. Pat
>> *From:* Nick Cassara <mailto:nickc@mtaonline.net>
>> *Sent:* Monday, January 4, 2016 7:56 PM
>> *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com <mailto:kolb-list@matronics.com>
>> *Subject:* Kolb-List: Weight in one wing...?
>>
>> Hello Kolber flyers,
>>
>> I am covering my left wing. I installed a Lift Reserve Indicator probe
>> with a plate, that weights about 11oz, in the next bay out board of
>> the strut mount on my left wing. Should I add an equivalent amount of
>> weight in the right wing for balance?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Nick Cassara
>> Palmer, AK
>>
>> Kolbra #1 p; -- Please Support Your Lists This Month (And Get
>> Annual List below to Incentive Gifts
>> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/
cThank
>> you for your generous ; -Matt Dralle, List
>> nbsp; Navigator Photoshare, and
>> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matroni
cp;
>> the Web href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>> _p; generous bsp;
>> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/
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>>
>
>
________________________________ Message 14 _____________________________
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Time: 06:20:18 PM PST US
From: Bradley Nation <nationcap@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 01/09/16
No they only fly short hops like this:
http://www.kolbaircraft.com/johnhauck2.htm
> On Jan 10, 2016, at 12:28 , Keith Callfas <kkcmax@msn.com> wrote:
>
>
> You people act like these are airplanes they are air carts not ment to
fly any were but up and around!
>
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> 1. 10:29 AM - Re: Weight in one wing...? (Patrick Ladd)
> 2. 12:00 PM - Re: Weight in one wing...? (Charlie England)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 10:29:45 AM PST US
> From: Patrick Ladd <patrickjladd@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Weight in one wing...?
>
> I installed a Lift Reserve Indicator probe with a plate>>
>
> What the hell is that and why do you need it.Particularly if you are
> adding 11 ozs. Totally ignorant. Pat
>
> From: Nick Cassara
> Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 7:56 PM
> Subject: Kolb-List: Weight in one wing...?
>
>
> Hello Kolber flyers,
>
> I am covering my left wing. I installed a Lift Reserve Indicator probe
> with a plate, that weights about 11oz, in the next bay out board of
the
> strut mount on my left wing. Should I add an equivalent amount of
weight
> in the right wing for balance?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nick Cassara
> Palmer, AK
>
> Kolbra #1 Prototype
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:00:15 PM PST US
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Weight in one wing...?
> From: Charlie England <ceengland7@gmail.com>
>
> LRI's are basically angle of attack indicators. I suppose you could
> argue that you don't need them on an ultralite (type) a/c, but then,
we
> don't know how he intends to use the a/c. US Navy pilots depend on AOA
> indicators to land on carriers safely, and some 'bush' pilots do, too.
>
> As far as balance goes, odds are high that component tolerances and
> build errors will easily mask an 11 oz weight difference. On a plane
> with wing tanks, just over 0.1 gallons of fuel difference between
tanks
> would cause that much imbalance.
>
> Charlie
>
> On 1/9/2016 12:29 PM, Patrick Ladd wrote:
>> I installed a Lift Reserve Indicator probe with a plate>>
>> What the hell is that and why do you need it.Particularly if you are
>> adding 11 ozs. Totally ignorant. Pat
>> *From:* Nick Cassara <mailto:nickc@mtaonline.net>
>> *Sent:* Monday, January 4, 2016 7:56 PM
>> *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com <mailto:kolb-list@matronics.com>
>> *Subject:* Kolb-List: Weight in one wing...?
>>
>> Hello Kolber flyers,
>>
>> I am covering my left wing. I installed a Lift Reserve Indicator
probe
>> with a plate, that weights about 11oz, in the next bay out board of
>> the strut mount on my left wing. Should I add an equivalent amount of
>> weight in the right wing for balance?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Nick Cassara
>> Palmer, AK
>>
>> Kolbra #1 p; -- Please Support Your Lists This Month (And Get
>> Annual List below to Incentive Gifts
>>
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/cT
hank
>> you for your generous ; -Matt Dralle, List
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>>
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href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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No, we didn't ask for your two cents. In your previous post you just sort of popped
on, said something annoying (Like the anti-religion goober who was on last
fall) because your purpose is simply to stir stuff up.
You are nothing but an internet troll.
Unlike the rest of us, you have never contributed anything useful to the list,
or anything to edify or help anybody on this list, you are simply an annoying
pest.
Go away and don't come back until you learn some manners and have something useful
to contribute.
(And the lists's resident (and often unwelcome) pastor shakes the dust off his
feet... )
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Would you consider yourself to be a good person?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWcDXT6pH7A
Read this topic online here:
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Subject: | Re: Weight in one wing...? |
But now, after only 10 hours, I can tell this calibration process is
well under way>>
Hi Martin, Always interesting how different pilots approach their
flying. Some load their planes with every gizmo known to man and some
(me) bare minimum No radio even most of the time.
After ten hours you shouldn`t need to look at your ASI at all when in
cruise. ( Although you may need to check speed on the approach) the
picture over the nose should be familiar enough to ignore the ASI. In
any case if you stall through lack of attention `So What`. Unless you
are near the ground or the plane drops a wing, a stall in a Kolb or
similar a/c is a non event. The nose just nods, you lose a bit of height
and then she flies again.. Note at what speed you stalled and don`t do
it again.
Cheers
Pat
. From: Martin Koxxy
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 3:43 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Weight in one wing...?
Mark Beierle, the designer of the Earthstar line of planes (Thundergull,
Gull 2000, Odyssey), makes exactly that point. Ultralights and
near-ultralights tend to be flown a lot more by seat-of-the-pants and
exterior view clues than by instruments, and the added weight and
complication goes contrary to the Ultralight "spirit".
That said, while learning to fly my eGull, I would have appreciated an
LRI or AOA (angle of attack) indicator to calibrate myself. But now,
after only 10 hours, I can tell this calibration process is well under
way, and my instrument scans are getting shorter and less frequent, with
more attention paid to the sight picture (and traffic in the pattern).
Weight: If I had gone through with an AOA instrument, I would have added
only a second, angled pitot tube and hose, and my GRT EFIS would have
been able to display AOA on the screen - a weight penalty in the 3-4 oz
range.
On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 3:29 AM, Patrick Ladd <patrickjladd@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Hi Charlie,
i suppose what I was asking in a guarded manner was why would anyone
in a ultralight, or indeed any light aircraft want an unnecessary
complication like this. Still we all pimp our rides to suit ourselves.
As far as the extra 11 ozs goes I would have thought that in the fight
to keep ultralight below the legal weight limit even 11 ozs. needs to be
watched. Weight increases naturally after the initial weighing anyway
with radios, GPS, cameras etc.
The guy who built my Extra added all sorts of odd little brackets or a
bit of stiffening or beefing up wherever he saw what he considered a
weak point. All without consulting me a couple of hundred miles away.
This caused all sorts of fancy maths to get her certified as a
microlight.
Cheers
Pat
From: Charlie England
Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 8:00 PM
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Weight in one wing...?
LRI's are basically angle of attack indicators. I suppose you could
argue that you don't need them on an ultralite (type) a/c, but then, we
don't know how he intends to use the a/c. US Navy pilots depend on AOA
indicators to land on carriers safely, and some 'bush' pilots do, too.
As far as balance goes, odds are high that component tolerances and
build errors will easily mask an 11 oz weight difference. On a plane
with wing tanks, just over 0.1 gallons of fuel difference between tanks
would cause that much imbalance.
Charlie
On 1/9/2016 12:29 PM, Patrick Ladd wrote:
I installed a Lift Reserve Indicator probe with a plate>>
What the hell is that and why do you need it.Particularly if you
are adding 11 ozs. Totally ignorant. Pat
From: Nick Cassara
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 7:56 PM
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Subject: Kolb-List: Weight in one wing...?
mailto:nickc@mtaonline.net
Hello Kolber flyers,
I am covering my left wing. I installed a Lift Reserve Indicator
probe with a plate, that weights about 11oz, in the next bay out board
of the strut mount on my left wing. Should I add an equivalent amount of
weight in the right wing for balance?
Thanks,
Nick Cassara
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Subject: | RE: Weight in one wing...? |
> I installed a Lift Reserve Indicator probe with a plate>>
I am sorta remembering a DIY AOA meter that was made from mostly plastic
tubing. IIRC it would only weigh a few oz. Details escape me, but I have it
documented somewhere.
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