---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 01/26/16: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:37 AM - Re: Snowmageddon (Patrick Ladd) 2. 08:08 AM - Re: Snowmageddon (Herb) 3. 03:09 PM - Re: Snowmageddon (kinne russ) 4. 03:35 PM - Re: Snowmageddon (Charlie England) 5. 03:49 PM - Gap seals (Flylawnchairs) 6. 04:17 PM - Re: Gap seals (Richard Girard) 7. 04:56 PM - Re: Snowmageddon (kinne russ) 8. 05:05 PM - Re: Gap seals (John Hauck) 9. 07:56 PM - Re: Gap seals (Charlie England) 10. 10:03 PM - Re: Gap seals (B Young) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:37:57 AM PST US From: Patrick Ladd Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Snowmageddon =9CBlessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light.=9D Groucho Marx>> Great. New one to me. We have the remains of your snowstorm due here as rain. UK is hardly afloat as it is. All field are saturated and are overflowing onto the roads, rivers are full. Some poor blighters have been flooded three times since the New Year already Fingers crossed. Pat From: Richard Girard Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 10:19 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Snowmageddon Okay, I hate all the hype and that name in particular but it is a powerful storm. I hope all you out there in it are safe and warm and able to ride it out. I know it's a little early to think about it but there could be some great ski flying after the storm has passed. Good luck all. Rick Girard -- =9CBlessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light.=9D Groucho Marx ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:08:36 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Snowmageddon From: Herb Groucho also said " I do not want to be a member of any group that would have me as a member". :-) Herb who is not leaving!! On 01/26/2016 09:36 AM, Patrick Ladd wrote: > > > Blessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light. Groucho > Marx >> > Great. New one to me. We have the remains of your snowstorm due > here as rain. UK is hardly afloat as it is. All field are saturated > and are overflowing onto the roads, rivers are full. Some poor > blighters have been flooded three times since the New Year already > Fingers crossed. Pat > > *From:* Richard Girard > *Sent:* Saturday, January 23, 2016 10:19 PM > *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Kolb-List: Snowmageddon > Okay, I hate all the hype and that name in particular but it is a > powerful storm. I hope all you out there in it are safe and warm and > able to ride it out. I know it's a little early to think about it but > there could be some great ski flying after the storm has passed. Good > luck all. > Rick Girard > -- > > > Blessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light. Groucho > Marx > > -- Signature text; ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:09:24 PM PST US From: kinne russ Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Snowmageddon Pat If a clever chap iike you can find a way to ship all that water to Calif, you=99ll be a hero for life! Here in Maine we dint get any of the recent storm; but I feel for the poor folk down south. They dont have warm clothes, and most towns have never even heard of snowplow. Tough duty. Lily sounds like great fun if you have a spare $500 to spend. I=99ll skip for now. Next year they=99ll be $300, eventually $29.95 fresh from Hijng Kong. And the newer model will start at $500. But I did just buy a tiny video camera to play with. When I think of the clumsy stuff we mounted on telephone poles & put into mailboxes - wow, wish we=99d had tiny things like this. What clever beasties we humans are!! =94 I only hope don=99t drown in our own (glowing) garbage. Plan to sell my Xtra. It just doesn=99t do what I=99d hoped it would, photographically speaking. Will likely get a Cessna 140 or some such. Don=99t really need 4 seats, and I do know Cessnas a little. Put 2700 hrs on my 170; 6 coast-coast flights, banner towing, whale surveys, swordfish spotting, even Sasquatch research! =94 lots of photography. It do add up. That plane is now in Fairbanks AK; she=99s a good bush plane for up there. The 140 should work for me and tho they=99re all 60+ yrs old, they built them right. No worries there.. Depressing to think we have 10 more months of the political Yakking. Trump sounds good to me; we need someone who=99s not afraid of saying NO to some people. Hope all=99s well with you guys, and all the best in 2016. And onwards! Russ > On Jan 26, 2016, at 10:36 AM, Patrick Ladd wrote: > > =9CBlessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light. =9D Groucho Marx >> Great. New one to me. We have the remains of your snowstorm due here as rain. UK is hardly afloat as it is. All field are saturated and are overflowing onto the roads, rivers are full. Some poor blighters have been flooded three times since the New Year already Fingers crossed. Pat > From: Richard Girard > Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 10:19 PM > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kolb-List: Snowmageddon > > Okay, I hate all the hype and that name in particular but it is a powerful storm. I hope all you out there in it are safe and warm and able to ride it out. I know it's a little early to think about it but there could be some great ski flying after the storm has passed. Good luck all. > > Rick Girard > > -- > =9CBlessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light. =9D Groucho Marx > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:35:30 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Snowmageddon From: Charlie England And yet, there it is..... On 1/26/2016 5:08 PM, kinne russ wrote: > Depressing to think we have 10 more months of the political Yakking. > Trump sounds good to me; we need someone whos not afraid of saying NO > to some people. > > Russ > >> On Jan 26, 2016, at 10:36 AM, Patrick Ladd > > wrote: >> > > >> Blessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light. Groucho >> Marx >> >> Great. New one to me. We have the remains of your snowstorm due >> here as rain. UK is hardly afloat as it is. All field are saturated >> and are overflowing onto the roads, rivers are full. Some poor >> blighters have been flooded three times since the New Year already >> Fingers crossed. Pat >> >> *From:* Richard Girard >> *Sent:* Saturday, January 23, 2016 10:19 PM >> *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com >> *Subject:* Kolb-List: Snowmageddon >> Okay, I hate all the hype and that name in particular but it is a >> powerful storm. I hope all you out there in it are safe and warm and >> able to ride it out. I know it's a little early to think about it but >> there could be some great ski flying after the storm has passed. Good >> luck all. >> Rick Girard >> -- >> >> >> Blessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light. Groucho >> Marx >> >> > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:49:44 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Gap seals From: "Flylawnchairs" Hi all, I've bee slowly and intermittently working on my mk3xtra and have wondered about using the aluminum hinge that attaches the flaperon to the trailing edge of the wing going the the whole distance from inboard to outboard. Does anyone think this would eliminate the need for the 3m tape supplied in the kit ? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=452324#452324 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:17:22 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Gap seals From: Richard Girard It's your experiment, but either fabric or tape gap seals are less expensive than all that hinge (which is NOT intended to attach control surfaces by the way) and decreases the number of holes in the rear wing spars and the leading edge of the control surfaces. My two cents. Rick Girard Before someone starts in, look up the specs for MS20257 rolled hinge and MS20001 Extruded (structural) Hinge. Just sayin' On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 5:49 PM, Flylawnchairs wrote: > > > Hi all, I've bee slowly and intermittently working on my mk3xtra and have > wondered about using the aluminum hinge that attaches the flaperon to the > trailing edge of the wing going the the whole distance from inboard to > outboard. Does anyone think this would eliminate the need for the 3m tape > supplied in the kit ? > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=452324#452324 > > =========== =========== =========== =========== =========== > > -- =9CBlessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light.=9D Groucho Marx ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:56:04 PM PST US From: kinne russ Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Snowmageddon List, I apologise. Meant that email to go to Pat alone. But WTH, praps the List agrees with me. Russ > On Jan 26, 2016, at 6:35 PM, Charlie England > wrote: > > And yet, there it is..... > > On 1/26/2016 5:08 PM, kinne russ wrote: >> Depressing to think we have 10 more months of the political Yakking. Trump sounds good to me; we need someone who=99s not afraid of saying NO to some people. >> >> Russ >> >>> On Jan 26, 2016, at 10:36 AM, Patrick Ladd > wrote: >>> >> >> >>> =9CBlessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light.=9D Groucho Marx >> Great. New one to me. We have the remains of your snowstorm due here as rain. UK is hardly afloat as it is. All field are saturated and are overflowing onto the roads, rivers are full. Some poor blighters have been flooded three times since the New Year already Fingers crossed. Pat >>> From: Richard Girard >>> Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 10:19 PM >>> To: kolb-list@matronics.com >>> Subject: Kolb-List: Snowmageddon >>> >>> Okay, I hate all the hype and that name in particular but it is a powerful storm. I hope all you out there in it are safe and warm and able to ride it out. I know it's a little early to think about it but there could be some great ski flying after the storm has passed. Good luck all. >>> >>> Rick Girard >>> >>> -- >>> =9CBlessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light.=9D Groucho Marx >>> >> > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:05:25 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Gap seals Doesn't take much hinge to hang an aileron and flap. Piano hinges may not have been designed for control surface hinges, but they have served us, in the Kolb world, well. The trailing edge of the wing and the leading edge of the flap and aileron flex quite a bit in flight. Never tried to see if I could actually see them flex in flight, but it can be done on the ground. Full span hinges will begin binding as soon as they begin getting out of column. Would it be a problem? I don't know. Is there enough flex in the wing and control surfaces to bind up a full span hinge? I don't know that either. Best go by the plans on size and number of hinges, in my humble opinion. I have Polyester Dacron fabric seals that were installed on my MKIII in 1992. They are still serviceable after 24 years and 3,300+ hours. Takes a little longer and is a little more difficult to go this route, but the end result produces the best gap seal. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Girard Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 6:17 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Gap seals It's your experiment, but either fabric or tape gap seals are less expensive than all that hinge (which is NOT intended to attach control surfaces by the way) and decreases the number of holes in the rear wing spars and the leading edge of the control surfaces. My two cents. Rick Girard Before someone starts in, look up the specs for MS20257 rolled hinge and MS20001 Extruded (structural) Hinge. Just sayin' On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 5:49 PM, Flylawnchairs wrote: Hi all, I've bee slowly and intermittently working on my mk3xtra and have wondered about using the aluminum hinge that attaches the flaperon to the trailing edge of the wing going the the whole distance from inboard to outboard. Does anyone think this would eliminate the need for the 3m tape supplied in the kit ? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=452324#452324 br> fts!) r> > w.buildersbooks.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List FORUMS - eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com b Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- =9CBlessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light.=9D Groucho Marx ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:56:27 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Gap seals From: Charlie England Rick mentions a question worth asking about extra holes in the spar. Having said that, the 2 seat RV's use full length piano hinge for the flaps. IIRC, some of the Zenith products use them for aileron hinges. FWIW, Charlie On 1/26/2016 7:04 PM, John Hauck wrote: > > Doesn't take much hinge to hang an aileron and flap. > > Piano hinges may not have been designed for control surface hinges, > but they have served us, in the Kolb world, well. > > The trailing edge of the wing and the leading edge of the flap and > aileron flex quite a bit in flight. Never tried to see if I could > actually see them flex in flight, but it can be done on the ground. > > Full span hinges will begin binding as soon as they begin getting out > of column. Would it be a problem? I don't know. Is there enough > flex in the wing and control surfaces to bind up a full span hinge? I > don't know that either. > > Best go by the plans on size and number of hinges, in my humble opinion. > > I have Polyester Dacron fabric seals that were installed on my MKIII > in 1992. They are still serviceable after 24 years and 3,300+ hours. > Takes a little longer and is a little more difficult to go this route, > but the end result produces the best gap seal. > > john h > > mkIII > > Titus, Alabama > > *From:*owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Richard > Girard > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 26, 2016 6:17 PM > *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: Kolb-List: Gap seals > > It's your experiment, but either fabric or tape gap seals are less > expensive than all that hinge (which is NOT intended to attach control > surfaces by the way) and decreases the number of holes in the rear > wing spars and the leading edge of the control surfaces. My two cents. > > Rick Girard > > Before someone starts in, look up the specs for MS20257 rolled hinge > and MS20001 Extruded (structural) Hinge. Just sayin' > > On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 5:49 PM, Flylawnchairs > > wrote: > > > > > Hi all, I've bee slowly and intermittently working on my mk3xtra and > have wondered about using the aluminum hinge that attaches the > flaperon to the trailing edge of the wing going the the whole distance > from inboard to outboard. Does anyone think this would eliminate the > need for the 3m tape supplied in the kit ? > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=452324#452324 > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:03:44 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Gap seals From: B Young I think that if I were to use full length hinges, I would install them in such a way that they never go straight even at full deflection of the control surfaces. that way they can't lock up on you. 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