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1. 08:21 AM - Re: Snowmageddon (Richard Girard)
2. 09:02 AM - Re: Snowmageddon (Patrick Ladd)
3. 09:05 AM - Re: Gap seals (Flylawnchairs)
4. 11:12 AM - Re: Re: Gap seals (John Hauck)
5. 02:02 PM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 01/25/16 (BMWBikeCrz)
6. 05:02 PM - Re: A question of Battery type (William Long)
7. 05:48 PM - Re: Gap seals (Richard Pike)
8. 07:41 PM - Re: A question of Battery type (Charlie England)
9. 08:03 PM - Re: Gap seals (mojavjoe@comcast.net)
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Subject: | Re: Snowmageddon |
I don't. I won't go into politics because this isn't the place for it. I
may express my Kolb opinions, or in the case of the Snowmageddon comment
was as far out of bounds as I'll go.
Rick
On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 6:47 PM, kinne russ <russk50@gmail.com> wrote:
> List, I apologise. Meant that email to go to Pat alone.
> But WTH, praps the List agrees with me.
> Russ
>
>
> On Jan 26, 2016, at 6:35 PM, Charlie England <ceengland7@gmail.com> wrote
:
>
> And yet, there it is.....
>
> On 1/26/2016 5:08 PM, kinne russ wrote:
>
> Depressing to think we have 10 more months of the political Yakking. Trum
p
> sounds good to me; we need someone who=99s not afraid of saying NO
to some
> people.
>
> Russ
>
> On Jan 26, 2016, at 10:36 AM, Patrick Ladd <patrickjladd@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> =9CBlessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light.
=9D Groucho Marx
> <http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/43244.Groucho_Marx>>> Great. New
> one to me. We have the remains of your snowstorm due here as rain. UK is
> hardly afloat as it is. All field are saturated and are overflowing onto
> the roads, rivers are full. Some poor blighters have been flooded three
> times since the New Year already Fingers crossed. Pat
> *From:* Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 23, 2016 10:19 PM
> *To:* <kolb-list@matronics.com>kolb-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Kolb-List: Snowmageddon
>
> Okay, I hate all the hype and that name in particular but it is a powerfu
l
> storm. I hope all you out there in it are safe and warm and able to ride
it
> out. I know it's a little early to think about it but there could be some
> great ski flying after the storm has passed. Good luck all.
>
> Rick Girard
>
> --
> =9CBlessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light.
=9D Groucho Marx
> <http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/43244.Groucho_Marx>
>
>
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Groucho Marx
<http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/43244.Groucho_Marx>
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Subject: | Re: Snowmageddon |
Yes, I knew that one. It was `The cracked shall let in the light` that
was new. Pat
From: Herb
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Snowmageddon
Groucho also said " I do not want to be a member of any group that would
have me as a member". :-) Herb who is not leaving!!
On 01/26/2016 09:36 AM, Patrick Ladd wrote:
=9CBlessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the
light.=9D Groucho Marx>> Great. New one to me. We have the
remains of your snowstorm due here as rain. UK is hardly afloat as it
is. All field are saturated and are overflowing onto the roads, rivers
are full. Some poor blighters have been flooded three times since the
New Year already Fingers crossed. Pat
From: Richard Girard
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 10:19 PM
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Subject: Kolb-List: Snowmageddon
Okay, I hate all the hype and that name in particular but it is a
powerful storm. I hope all you out there in it are safe and warm and
able to ride it out. I know it's a little early to think about it but
there could be some great ski flying after the storm has passed. Good
luck all.
Rick Girard
--
=9CBlessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the
light.=9D Groucho Marx
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Thanks for the input guys, think I'll just use the required amount of hinge and
call it good. Even though all that flexing really bothers me, I think John has
a point about it working fine for 3300 hours.
Cheers, Gene Wilson
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Probably didn't make myself clear, as usual.
Any flexing is not noticeable. My description would have fit a Challenger
wing much better than Homer Kolb's wing. Do not let the minute flex bother
you.
john h
Titus, Alabama
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Flylawnchairs
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 11:03 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Gap seals
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Thanks for the input guys, think I'll just use the required amount of hinge
and call it good. Even though all that flexing really bothers me, I think
John has a point about it working fine for 3300 hours.
Cheers, Gene Wilson
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Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 01/25/16 |
Ben gone a while ... this is a test post :-)
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1. 11:04 AM - Re: A question of Battery type (Rick Neilsen)
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Subject: Re: Kolb-List: A question of Battery type
From: Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm@gmail.com>
I replaced my lead acid battery with a Areovoltz 8 cell lithium FE battery
about 18 months ago. I had been using a cheep 12 AH lawn mower battery that
weighed app 13 lbs. The lead acid battery was marginal at best. On a cold
morning or after few starts without any charging it would fail to power my
ignition system. Maybe I should have used a bigger battery but I don't like
weight.
The new Areovolts battery is a 15 AH equivalent and weighs 1.8 lbs. Last
spring when I got back from 6 months in Florida I tried to run the battery
down with six 5-8 second cranks with the ignition off and with a cool down
between each crank. I gave up not wanting to wear out my starter. I then
started the engine perfectly. I then hooked up a balance charger and found
the cells were within .02 volts of each other. The balance charger couldn't
improve on the already good balance.
I hear discussions about the AH equivalent rating but from what I have
experienced my old lead acid battery would drop below the necessary voltage
for my electronic ignition well before the lithium battery would quit. I
also have a alternator that bolts to the flywheel and accessory case so
there are no moving parts other than the engine. If you have to have more
reserve power get a larger lithium and you will still save considerable
weight.
The lithium FE batteries don't catch on fire like the older lithium
batteries did. My lithium FE battery doesn't need to be kept on a battery
maintainer like the old lead acid batteries did. After sitting idle in the
hanger all winter there is no measurable loss of power.
I will continue to report on my ongoing test.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 7:06 PM, <nationcap@comcast.net> wrote:
> Recently replaced mine with a AutoCraft Lithium, LFP-7, it=99s the
same one,
> that Bryan Melborn is putting in his builds, except it is the larger size
..
> So far so good.
>
> Brad
> YellowBird1
>
> ------------------------------
> *From: *"John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> *To: *"kolb-list" <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent: *Thursday, January 21, 2016 8:41:28 PM
> *Subject: *RE: Kolb-List: A question of Battery type
>
>
> Good price for an AGM battery, but the want 24.80 to mail it to hauck's
> holler. ;-)
>
>
> john h
>
> mkIII
>
> Titus, Alabama
>
>
> *From:* owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Larry Cottrell
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 21, 2016 9:34 PM
> *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Kolb-List: A question of Battery type
>
>
> http://www.arizonabattery.com/?page=shop/flypage&product_id=58&catego
ry_id=b291dca6cea297f2a41f49052a63d38d&
>
>
> This is the one that I use and have a cheap float charger that I keep on
> it when I am not using. It has been in service for three years so far. Th
e
> problem is if they are regularly discharged, the float takes care of that
..
>
> Larry
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 5:35 PM, Nick Cassara <nickc@mtaonline.net> wrote
:
>
>
> Kolbers,
>
> In a few months I will be needing to buy a battery for my Kolbra
.so, I am
> wondering where we stand in the debate between Lead acid and Lithium.
> Thank you as always for your insights!
>
> Nick Cassara
> Palmer, AK
> PAAQ
>
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Subject: | Re: A question of Battery type |
I got a new lithium battery for Christmas from my kids.For my Kolb Firefly.
Here's the link I sent them.Not sure how safe it is but losing 10 LB sound
ed great. My 6 year old lead acid was dying.=C2-Amazon.com: YT12B-BS Lith
ium Ion Sealed Battery 12V 280 CCA - Ducati Monster Hypermotard Multistrada
Street Fighter (#5): Automotive
| =C2- |
| =C2- | | =C2- | =C2- | =C2- | =C2- | =C2- |
| Amazon.com: YT12B-BS Lithium Ion Sealed Battery 12V...Dimensions: L: 150
x H: 64 x W: 92 (mm) Battery weight: 1.1 lbs Voltage: 12v CCA: 280 Get impr
oved performance and exceptional cranking power with this lithium io... |
| |
| View on www.amazon.com | Preview by Yahoo |
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On Monday, January 25, 2016 2:13 PM, Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm@gmail.com>
wrote:
I replaced my lead acid battery with a Areovoltz 8 cell lithium FE battery
about 18 months ago. I had been using a cheep 12 AH lawn mower battery tha
t weighed app 13 lbs. The lead acid battery was marginal at best. On a cold
morning or after few starts without any charging it would fail to power my
ignition system. Maybe I should have used a bigger battery but I don't lik
e weight.=C2-
The new Areovolts battery is a 15 AH equivalent and weighs 1.8 lbs. Last sp
ring when I got back from 6 months in Florida I tried to run the battery do
wn with six 5-8 second cranks with the ignition off and with a cool down be
tween each crank. I gave up not wanting to wear out my starter. I then star
ted the engine perfectly. I then hooked up a balance charger and found the
cells were within .02 volts of each other. The balance charger couldn't imp
rove on the already good balance. =C2-
I hear discussions about the AH equivalent rating but from what I have expe
rienced my old lead acid battery would drop below the necessary voltage for
my electronic ignition well before the lithium battery would quit. I also
have a alternator that bolts to the flywheel and accessory case so there ar
e no moving parts other than the engine. If you have to have more reserve p
ower get a larger lithium and you will still save considerable weight.
The lithium FE batteries don't catch on fire like the older lithium batteri
es did. My lithium FE battery doesn't =C2-need to be kept on a battery ma
intainer like the old lead acid batteries did. After sitting idle in the ha
nger all winter there is no measurable loss of power.=C2-
I will continue to report on my ongoing test.
Rick NeilsenRedrive VW Powered MKIIIC
On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 7:06 PM, <nationcap@comcast.net> wrote:
Recently replaced mine with a AutoCraft Lithium, LFP-7, it=99s the sa
me one, that Bryan Melborn is putting in his builds, except it is the large
r size. So far so good.
BradYellowBird1
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 8:41:28 PM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: A question of Battery type
Good price for an AGM battery, but the want 24.80 to mail it to hauck's hol
ler.=C2- ;-)=C2-john hmkIIITitus, Alabama=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-From:
owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matroni
cs.com] On Behalf Of Larry Cottrell
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 9:34 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: A question of Battery type=C2-http://www.arizonab
attery.com/?page=shop/flypage&product_id=58&category_id=b291dca6cea29
7f2a41f49052a63d38d&=C2-This is the one that I use and have a cheap float
charger that I =C2-keep on it when I am not using. It has been in servic
e for three years so far. The problem is if they are regularly discharged,
the float takes care of that.Larry=C2-=C2-On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 5:35
PM, Nick Cassara <nickc@mtaonline.net> wrote:--> Kolb-List message posted b
y: Nick Cassara <nickc@mtaonline.net>
Kolbers,
In a few months I will be needing to buy a battery for my Kolbra.s
o, I am wondering where we stand in the debate between Lead acid and Lithiu
m.
Thank you as always for your insights!
Nick Cassara
Palmer, AK
PAAQ
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I think all the Kolbs have a solid hinge at the root, and piano hinges along the
rest of the wing, and typically the tips have a bit of flex from the piano hinges.
If you want the aileron tip end to be solid with no flex: you know those
stainless L hinges that are used to secure the leading edge of the horizontal
stab? Buy 8 extra stainless L hinges and use them as tip aileron hinges and
the flex will go away.
http://oh2fly.net/oldpoops/pg8.htm
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Would you consider yourself to be a good person?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWcDXT6pH7A
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Subject: | Re: A question of Battery type |
Note that it says 'lithium *ion*'. If you ever offer me a ride, please
remember to tell me about your battery.
:-)
Seriously, the ones that have a (limited) good record in a/c lithium
iron phosphate, like Rick described. If yours is really lithium ion (as
used in RC model planes, etc), tread carefully.
For reference, EarthX makes lithium FE batteries intended to be direct
replacements for Odyssey PC680 batteries. They actually publish
discharge curves for their batteries showing similar total energy to the
680, a true 12 AH battery. The EarthX weighs 4.1 lbs; the YT12B weighs
1.1 lbs.
For me, these data points indicate a couple (three, actually) of things.
First, the YT12B probably *is* a lithium ion battery. Second, it's
probably rated as a 12 AH equivalent, *only for starting*, meaning that
if you need endurance from the battery in the case of an alternator
failure, you may not have it. Last, there's significantly greater fire
risk from the YT12B.
But those are just my opinions; worth what you paid...
Charlie
PS: I'm not advocating for EarthX; it's taken them a long time to
publish useful info & their technical spokesperson has often seemed to
lack technical knowledge in previous exchanges.
On 1/27/2016 7:01 PM, William Long wrote:
> I got a new lithium battery for Christmas from my kids.For my Kolb
> Firefly. Here's the link I sent them.
> Not sure how safe it is but losing 10 LB sounded great. My 6 year old
> lead acid was dying.
> Amazon.com: YT12B-BS Lithium Ion Sealed Battery 12V 280 CCA - Ducati
> Monster Hypermotard Multistrada Street Fighter (#5): Automotive
> <http://www.amazon.com/dp/B017DY70RQ/ref=dra_a_rv_mr_hn_xx_P1250_1000?tag=dradisplay-20&ascsubtag=8c987a3d56d7e7185d64c9e92cd3d206_S>
>
> image
> <http://www.amazon.com/dp/B017DY70RQ/ref=dra_a_rv_mr_hn_xx_P1250_1000?tag=dradisplay-20&ascsubtag=8c987a3d56d7e7185d64c9e92cd3d206_S>
>
>
>
>
>
> Amazon.com: YT12B-BS Lithium Ion Sealed Battery 12V...
> <http://www.amazon.com/dp/B017DY70RQ/ref=dra_a_rv_mr_hn_xx_P1250_1000?tag=dradisplay-20&ascsubtag=8c987a3d56d7e7185d64c9e92cd3d206_S>
>
> Dimensions: L: 150 x H: 64 x W: 92 (mm) Battery weight: 1.1 lbs
> Voltage: 12v CCA: 280 Get improved performance and exceptional
> cranking power with this lithium io...
>
> View on www.amazon.com
> <http://www.amazon.com/dp/B017DY70RQ/ref=dra_a_rv_mr_hn_xx_P1250_1000?tag=dradisplay-20&ascsubtag=8c987a3d56d7e7185d64c9e92cd3d206_S>
>
> Preview by Yahoo
>
>
> On Monday, January 25, 2016 2:13 PM, Rick Neilsen
> <neilsenrm@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I replaced my lead acid battery with a Areovoltz 8 cell lithium FE
> battery about 18 months ago. I had been using a cheep 12 AH lawn mower
> battery that weighed app 13 lbs. The lead acid battery was marginal at
> best. On a cold morning or after few starts without any charging it
> would fail to power my ignition system. Maybe I should have used a
> bigger battery but I don't like weight.
>
> The new Areovolts battery is a 15 AH equivalent and weighs 1.8 lbs.
> Last spring when I got back from 6 months in Florida I tried to run
> the battery down with six 5-8 second cranks with the ignition off and
> with a cool down between each crank. I gave up not wanting to wear out
> my starter. I then started the engine perfectly. I then hooked up a
> balance charger and found the cells were within .02 volts of each
> other. The balance charger couldn't improve on the already good balance.
>
> I hear discussions about the AH equivalent rating but from what I have
> experienced my old lead acid battery would drop below the necessary
> voltage for my electronic ignition well before the lithium battery
> would quit. I also have a alternator that bolts to the flywheel and
> accessory case so there are no moving parts other than the engine. If
> you have to have more reserve power get a larger lithium and you will
> still save considerable weight.
>
> The lithium FE batteries don't catch on fire like the older lithium
> batteries did. My lithium FE battery doesn't need to be kept on a
> battery maintainer like the old lead acid batteries did. After sitting
> idle in the hanger all winter there is no measurable loss of power.
>
> I will continue to report on my ongoing test.
>
> Rick Neilsen
> Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 7:06 PM, <nationcap@comcast.net
> <mailto:nationcap@comcast.net>> wrote:
>
> Recently replaced mine with a AutoCraft Lithium, LFP-7, its the
> same one, that Bryan Melborn is putting in his builds, except it
> is the larger size. So far so good.
>
> Brad
> YellowBird1
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From: *"John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com
> <mailto:jhauck@elmore.rr.com>>
> *To: *"kolb-list" <kolb-list@matronics.com
> <mailto:kolb-list@matronics.com>>
> *Sent: *Thursday, January 21, 2016 8:41:28 PM
> *Subject: *RE: Kolb-List: A question of Battery type
>
>
> Good price for an AGM battery, but the want 24.80 to mail it to
> hauck's holler. ;-)
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
> *From:*owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> <mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com>
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> <mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com>] *On Behalf Of
> *Larry Cottrell
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 21, 2016 9:34 PM
> *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com <mailto:kolb-list@matronics.com>
> *Subject:* Re: Kolb-List: A question of Battery type
> http://www.arizonabattery.com/?page=shop/flypage&product_id=58&category_id=b291dca6cea297f2a41f49052a63d38d&
> This is the one that I use and have a cheap float charger that I
> keep on it when I am not using. It has been in service for three
> years so far. The problem is if they are regularly discharged, the
> float takes care of that.
> Larry
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 5:35 PM, Nick Cassara <nickc@mtaonline.net
> <mailto:nickc@mtaonline.net>> wrote:
> <mailto:nickc@mtaonline.net>>
>
> Kolbers,
>
> In a few months I will be needing to buy a battery for my
> Kolbra.so, I am wondering where we stand in the debate between
> Lead acid and Lithium.
> Thank you as always for your insights!
>
> Nick Cassara
> Palmer, AK
> PAAQ
>
> ==========
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While my Firestar doesn't have flaps, my ailerons have hinge the length of the
aileron, not however from the inside edge of the aileron to the wing root and
I think this a very good gap seal.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Flylawnchairs" <Flylawnchairs@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 6:49:20 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Gap seals
Hi all, I've bee slowly and intermittently working on my mk3xtra and have wondered
about using the aluminum hinge that attaches the flaperon to the trailing
edge of the wing going the the whole distance from inboard to outboard. Does anyone
think this would eliminate the need for the 3m tape supplied in the kit
?
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