---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 01/28/16: 1 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:07 AM - Re: A question of Battery type (Rick Neilsen) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:07:41 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: A question of Battery type From: Rick Neilsen William I have been using a Areovoltz battery in my MKIIIC it is a Lithium Iron Phosphate battery. Lithium Ion batteries have a history of not tolerating low or high voltages very well and doing bad things. If we believe the literature on Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries these low or high voltages are much better tolerated, at the very least they aren't supposed to catch on fire. What I do know is my battery looks to be very well made, extreemly light, very powerful, and doesn't loose any measurable power with 6 months in storage. As always worth what you paid for it. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 10:42 PM, Charlie England wrote: > Note that it says 'lithium *ion*'. If you ever offer me a ride, please > remember to tell me about your battery. > :-) > > Seriously, the ones that have a (limited) good record in a/c lithium iron > phosphate, like Rick described. If yours is really lithium ion (as used i n > RC model planes, etc), tread carefully. > > For reference, EarthX makes lithium FE batteries intended to be direct > replacements for Odyssey PC680 batteries. They actually publish discharge > curves for their batteries showing similar total energy to the 680, a tru e > 12 AH battery. The EarthX weighs 4.1 lbs; the YT12B weighs 1.1 lbs. > > For me, these data points indicate a couple (three, actually) of things. > First, the YT12B probably *is* a lithium ion battery. Second, it's probab ly > rated as a 12 AH equivalent, *only for starting*, meaning that if you nee d > endurance from the battery in the case of an alternator failure, you may > not have it. Last, there's significantly greater fire risk from the YT12B .. > > But those are just my opinions; worth what you paid... > > Charlie > PS: I'm not advocating for EarthX; it's taken them a long time to publish > useful info & their technical spokesperson has often seemed to lack > technical knowledge in previous exchanges. > > > On 1/27/2016 7:01 PM, William Long wrote: > > I got a new lithium battery for Christmas from my kids.For my Kolb > Firefly. Here's the link I sent them. > Not sure how safe it is but losing 10 LB sounded great. My 6 year old lea d > acid was dying. > Amazon.com: YT12B-BS Lithium Ion Sealed Battery 12V 280 CCA - Ducati > Monster Hypermotard Multistrada Street Fighter (#5): Automotive > > > > [image: image] > > > > Amazon.com: YT12B-BS Lithium Ion Sealed Battery 12V... > > Dimensions: L: 150 x H: 64 x W: 92 (mm) Battery weight: 1.1 lbs Voltage: > 12v CCA: 280 Get improved performance and exceptional cranking power with > this lithium io... > > View on www.amazon.com > > Preview by Yahoo > > > On Monday, January 25, 2016 2:13 PM, Rick Neilsen > wrote: > > > I replaced my lead acid battery with a Areovoltz 8 cell lithium FE batter y > about 18 months ago. I had been using a cheep 12 AH lawn mower battery th at > weighed app 13 lbs. The lead acid battery was marginal at best. On a cold > morning or after few starts without any charging it would fail to power m y > ignition system. Maybe I should have used a bigger battery but I don't li ke > weight. > > The new Areovolts battery is a 15 AH equivalent and weighs 1.8 lbs. Last > spring when I got back from 6 months in Florida I tried to run the batter y > down with six 5-8 second cranks with the ignition off and with a cool dow n > between each crank. I gave up not wanting to wear out my starter. I then > started the engine perfectly. I then hooked up a balance charger and foun d > the cells were within .02 volts of each other. The balance charger couldn 't > improve on the already good balance. > > I hear discussions about the AH equivalent rating but from what I have > experienced my old lead acid battery would drop below the necessary volta ge > for my electronic ignition well before the lithium battery would quit. I > also have a alternator that bolts to the flywheel and accessory case so > there are no moving parts other than the engine. If you have to have more > reserve power get a larger lithium and you will still save considerable > weight. > > The lithium FE batteries don't catch on fire like the older lithium > batteries did. My lithium FE battery doesn't need to be kept on a batter y > maintainer like the old lead acid batteries did. After sitting idle in th e > hanger all winter there is no measurable loss of power. > > I will continue to report on my ongoing test. > > Rick Neilsen > Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC > > > On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 7:06 PM, < > nationcap@comcast.net> wrote: > > Recently replaced mine with a AutoCraft Lithium, LFP-7, it=99s the same one, > that Bryan Melborn is putting in his builds, except it is the larger size .. > So far so good. > > Brad > YellowBird1 > > ------------------------------ > *From: *"John Hauck" < jhauck@elmore.rr.com> > *To: *"kolb-list" < kolb-list@matronics.com> > *Sent: *Thursday, January 21, 2016 8:41:28 PM > *Subject: *RE: Kolb-List: A question of Battery type > > > Good price for an AGM battery, but the want 24.80 to mail it to hauck's > holler. ;-) > > john h > mkIII > Titus, Alabama > > > *From:* owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.co m] > *On Behalf Of *Larry Cottrell > *Sent:* Thursday, January 21, 2016 9:34 PM > *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: Kolb-List: A question of Battery type > > > > http://www.arizonabattery.com/?page=shop/flypage&product_id=58&catego ry_id=b291dca6cea297f2a41f49052a63d38d& > > This is the one that I use and have a cheap float charger that I keep on > it when I am not using. It has been in service for three years so far. Th e > problem is if they are regularly discharged, the float takes care of that .. > Larry > > > On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 5:35 PM, Nick Cassara < > nickc@mtaonline.net> wrote: > nickc@mtaonline.net> > > Kolbers, > > In a few months I will be needing to buy a battery for my Kolbra .so, I am > wondering where we stand in the debate between Lead acid and Lithium. > Thank you as always for your insights! > > Nick Cassara > Palmer, AK > PAAQ > > ========== > br> fts!) > r> > w.buildersbooks.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"> > www.buildersbooks.com > rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"> > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > ========== > -List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"> > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > ========== > FORUMS - > eferrer" target="_blank"> > http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > b Site - > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"> > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > -- > *The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant.* > > *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email > address before sending.* > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.