---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 02/28/16: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:11 PM - Hydraulic brakes? (Larry Cottrell) 2. 03:33 PM - Re: Hydraulic brakes? (Stuart Harner) 3. 04:11 PM - Re: Hydraulic brakes? (Larry Cottrell) 4. 05:32 PM - Re: Hydraulic brakes? (Herb) 5. 08:00 PM - Re: Hydraulic brakes? (west1m) 6. 08:06 PM - Re: Re: Hydraulic brakes? (Larry Cottrell) 7. 08:34 PM - Re: Hydraulic brakes? (Stuart Harner) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:11:14 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Hydraulic brakes? From: Larry Cottrell > > I am considering changing to a Hydraulic system for my Firestar ll. I have > looked at O'brian and Black Max so far. The only problem is that I want two > hand operation. ( individual braking) It appears that will run about $500 > bucks or more. Somehow I hate to do that, but still might depending on the > feed back I can get from those using hydraulic braking. BCC is fine - > lcottrell1020@gmail.com I only want to do this once, and I hate buyer > remorse. Larry -- *The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant.* *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.* ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:33:46 PM PST US From: "Stuart Harner" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Hydraulic brakes? Larry, I have the Black Max setup on my Firefly. Individual toe brakes though, not a hand brake. This included the wheels and tires and was purchased as an option when I bought the kit. Some people say you don=99t need brakes at all and especially not individual brakes on the Firefly. As a general rule I don=99t use them much. However, it is nice to be able to keep the engine RPM up and still taxi at a reasonable speed on pavement or not move at all. Occasionally I use them to help on a turn, although without a swiveling tail wheel like you have the effect is not as noticeable. I am not sure how you would rig the dual hand levers for individual brakes. One lever on the stick and one on the throttle? J Anyway, I have no regrets getting the Black Max setup. Easy to install and simple in design. Stuart From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Cottrell Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 2:11 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Hydraulic brakes? I am considering changing to a Hydraulic system for my Firestar ll. I have looked at O'brian and Black Max so far. The only problem is that I want two hand operation. ( individual braking) It appears that will run about $500 bucks or more. Somehow I hate to do that, but still might depending on the feed back I can get from those using hydraulic braking. BCC is fine - lcottrell1020@gmail.com I only want to do this once, and I hate buyer remorse. Larry -- The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant. If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:11:51 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hydraulic brakes? From: Larry Cottrell Thanks for the reply. After checking I may have to forego the dual hand brakes and stick with heel brakes. It would run about $550 for two separate systems. I am using mechanical heel brakes now, and may have to stick with that. If you have not already braced the tail post on you fly, you should really consider it. Thanks again, Larry On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 4:30 PM, Stuart Harner wrote: > Larry, > > > I have the Black Max setup on my Firefly. Individual toe brakes though, > not a hand brake. This included the wheels and tires and was purchased as > an option when I bought the kit. > > > Some people say you don=99t need brakes at all and especially not i ndividual > brakes on the Firefly. As a general rule I don=99t use them much. However, > it is nice to be able to keep the engine RPM up and still taxi at a > reasonable speed on pavement or not move at all. > > > Occasionally I use them to help on a turn, although without a swiveling > tail wheel like you have the effect is not as noticeable. I am not sure h ow > you would rig the dual hand levers for individual brakes. One lever on th e > stick and one on the throttle? J > > > Anyway, I have no regrets getting the Black Max setup. Easy to install an d > simple in design. > > > Stuart > > > *From:* owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Larry Cottrell > *Sent:* Sunday, February 28, 2016 2:11 PM > *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Kolb-List: Hydraulic brakes? > > > I am considering changing to a Hydraulic system for my Firestar ll. I hav e > looked at O'brian and Black Max so far. The only problem is that I want t wo > hand operation. ( individual braking) It appears that will run about $500 > bucks or more. Somehow I hate to do that, but still might depending on th e > feed back I can get from those using hydraulic braking. BCC is fine - > lcottrell1020@gmail.com I only want to do this once, and I hate buyer > remorse. > > > Larry > > > -- > > *The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant.* > > > *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email > address before sending.* > -- *The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant.* *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.* ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:32:31 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hydraulic brakes? From: Herb you can save most of that 550 dollars by using Mtn bike disc brakes...either hydraulic or mechanical...Gotta be a bit mechanically inclined...will need to make a couple of spools that attach the disc to the rim...and a couple of adapter plates that attach the caliper to the large washer that is welded to the axle... I found my mechanical versions at the salvage yard...for maybe 5 bucks.... Requires some design work...but was a good two day project... Ebay has both styles...Herb On 02/28/2016 06:11 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote: > Thanks for the reply. After checking I may have to forego the dual > hand brakes and stick with heel brakes. It would run about $550 for > two separate systems. I am using mechanical heel brakes now, and may > have to stick with that. > > If you have not already braced the tail post on you fly, you should > really consider it. > > Thanks again, > Larry > > On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 4:30 PM, Stuart Harner > wrote: > > Larry, > > I have the Black Max setup on my Firefly. Individual toe brakes > though, not a hand brake. This included the wheels and tires and > was purchased as an option when I bought the kit. > > Some people say you dont need brakes at all and especially not > individual brakes on the Firefly. As a general rule I dont use > them much. However, it is nice to be able to keep the engine RPM > up and still taxi at a reasonable speed on pavement or not move at > all. > > Occasionally I use them to help on a turn, although without a > swiveling tail wheel like you have the effect is not as > noticeable. I am not sure how you would rig the dual hand levers > for individual brakes. One lever on the stick and one on the > throttle? J > > Anyway, I have no regrets getting the Black Max setup. Easy to > install and simple in design. > > Stuart > > *From:*owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com > ] *On Behalf Of > *Larry Cottrell > *Sent:* Sunday, February 28, 2016 2:11 PM > *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Kolb-List: Hydraulic brakes? > > I am considering changing to a Hydraulic system for my > Firestar ll. I have looked at O'brian and Black Max so far. > The only problem is that I want two hand operation. ( > individual braking) It appears that will run about $500 bucks > or more. Somehow I hate to do that, but still might depending > on the feed back I can get from those using hydraulic braking. > BCC is fine - lcottrell1020@gmail.com > I only want to do this once, > and I hate buyer remorse. > > Larry > > -- > > /The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant./ > > /If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my > email address before sending./ > > > -- > /The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant./ > / > / > /If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email > address before sending./ -- Signature text; Fort Marcy Park? Sure...Mr. Foster...Third red light and turn left. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:00:32 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Hydraulic brakes? From: "west1m" I put the Black Max hydraulic brakes on my firefly. I use a dual hand control by the throttle. Quite handy, no regrets. -------- West1m Hastings, MN Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=453278#453278 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:06:01 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Hydraulic brakes? From: Larry Cottrell Do you remember the cost for dual controls? Larry On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 8:59 PM, west1m wrote: > > I put the Black Max hydraulic brakes on my firefly. I use a dual hand > control by the throttle. Quite handy, no regrets. > > -------- > West1m > Hastings, MN > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=453278#453278 > > -- *The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant.* *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.* ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:34:43 PM PST US From: "Stuart Harner" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Hydraulic brakes? Yeah, that is on my =9Cto do=9D list for this spring before flying season. I haven=99t settled on exactly how to do it yet. Also need to cut out all the inspection holes and have a real good look-see inside. About 15 hours in the air, I figure it is about time for a new bird. Many other =9Clittle details=9D to attend too as well. Weather is getting better every day Stuart From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Cottrell Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 6:11 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hydraulic brakes? Thanks for the reply. After checking I may have to forego the dual hand brakes and stick with heel brakes. It would run about $550 for two separate systems. I am using mechanical heel brakes now, and may have to stick with that. If you have not already braced the tail post on you fly, you should really consider it. Thanks again, Larry On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 4:30 PM, Stuart Harner wrote: Larry, I have the Black Max setup on my Firefly. Individual toe brakes though, not a hand brake. This included the wheels and tires and was purchased as an option when I bought the kit. Some people say you don=99t need brakes at all and especially not individual brakes on the Firefly. As a general rule I don=99t use them much. However, it is nice to be able to keep the engine RPM up and still taxi at a reasonable speed on pavement or not move at all. Occasionally I use them to help on a turn, although without a swiveling tail wheel like you have the effect is not as noticeable. I am not sure how you would rig the dual hand levers for individual brakes. One lever on the stick and one on the throttle? J Anyway, I have no regrets getting the Black Max setup. Easy to install and simple in design. Stuart From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Cottrell Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 2:11 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Hydraulic brakes? I am considering changing to a Hydraulic system for my Firestar ll. I have looked at O'brian and Black Max so far. The only problem is that I want two hand operation. ( individual braking) It appears that will run about $500 bucks or more. Somehow I hate to do that, but still might depending on the feed back I can get from those using hydraulic braking. BCC is fine - lcottrell1020@gmail.com I only want to do this once, and I hate buyer remorse. Larry -- The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant. If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending. -- The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant. 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