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1. 08:35 AM - matco brake manual (b young)
2. 02:44 PM - Tires for your Firestar (KIRBY, DENNIS T GS-13 USAF AFMC AFNWC/EZS)
3. 03:01 PM - Re: Tires for your Firestar (B Young)
4. 03:23 PM - Re: Tires for your Firestar (Bill Berle)
5. 03:38 PM - Re: Tires for your Firestar (Dennis Rowe)
6. 03:46 PM - Re: Tires for your Firestar (John Hauck)
7. 03:53 PM - Re: Tires for your Firestar (Larry Cottrell)
8. 04:28 PM - Re: Tires for your Firestar (John Hauck)
9. 06:58 PM - Re: Tires for your Firestar (Charlie England)
10. 07:36 PM - Re: Tires for your Firestar (John Hauck)
11. 07:46 PM - Re: Tires for your Firestar (Charlie England)
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Subject: | matco brake manual |
for those who would like the technical service guide for matco wheels and b
rakes... you can go to the web sight www.matcomfg.com and do a search for y
our wheels and one of the results will be a pdf file for your wheels and br
akes. this is the link for the matco mh6b series. http://static.veracart
=2Ecom/matco/item_pdfs/2395/document1.pdf
boyd young
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Subject: | Tires for your Firestar |
Bill Berle asked: << Can anyone here tell me which is the best or best compromise
choice for wheels brakes and tires, for my particular intended
use? I will be building up this Firestar specifically as an off-airport, back
country, extreme STOL aircraft to explore small landing areas. ... Which combinations
of wheels/brakes/tires have been successful on the Kolb aircraft
for this type of mission? >>
Bill -
My experience has shown that, for tires, avoid the "wavy tread" ultralight 800x6
tires that are so popular in so many of today's Light Sport airplanes (Kolbs
included). Those tires look cool, and "off-roady" but they are usually dismally
out of balance.
I put a pair of those on my Mark-3 several years ago, but took them off after a
few weeks. On takeoff roll, my instrument panel would shake so badly that I
could not even read the instruments. Tried to balance them at various motorcycle
or ATV shops, but none could do it.
For larger tires suitable for off-airport and back country landing places, get
general aviation tires (Desser, Air Hawk, etc.) of size 800x6 or 850x6. They're
a bit more expensive, but worth it. Get 4-ply if you can, instead of 6-ply.
They'll be softer and add extra cushion on landings. As light as our Kolbs
are, you'll be able to operate those tires with as low as 10 or 8 psi. You'll
probably never wear them out.
Dennis Kirby
Mark-3 / 912ul
Sandia Park, NM
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Subject: | Re: Tires for your Firestar |
To avoid the out of balance I put on a set of airtrack 600 x 6. Aircraft
tires.
When I took off I thought the plane was going to shake apart....
Balanced the tires with the self sticking weights inside the rim. It is
now so smooth, no shake at all. One tire took 6 little squares,, the
other took 6 on both the inside and outside halves... So much for pre
balanced aircraft tires...
My neighbor said they would determine how much weight was needed, cut a
piece of old inner tube and vulcanize it to the inside of the tire on the
light side, then use 1 or 2 weights to finish the job.
Boyd Y
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Subject: | Re: Tires for your Firestar |
I am hoping to fly with larger tires than 6.00 x 6. My hope is to use some sort
of modest price ATV or off-road vehicle tire in the neighborhood of what would
be 8.00 x 6 to 8.50 x 6 in the airplane world. My entire purpose for this aircraft
is to go out and play in the dirt, grass hilltops, riverbeds, etc. So diameter
and "flotation" are somewhat significant to me. I do not need to go up
to the horriblyexpensive 29 inch aircraft "bush" and "tundra" tires. That money
is going into the gas tank :)
Bill Berle
www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities
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On Fri, 3/11/16, B Young <byoungplumbing@gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tires for your Firestar
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Date: Friday, March 11, 2016, 3:01 PM
To avoid the out of
balance I put on a set of airtrack 600 x 6. Aircraft
tires.
When I took off I thought the plane was going
to shake apart.... Balanced the tires with the self
sticking weights inside the rim. It is now so smooth, no
shake at all. One tire took 6 little squares,, the
other took 6 on both the inside and outside halves... So
much for pre balanced aircraft tires...
My neighbor said they would determine how much
weight was needed, cut a piece of old inner tube and
vulcanize it to the inside of the tire on the light side,
then use 1 or 2 weights to finish the job.
Boyd Y
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Subject: | Re: Tires for your Firestar |
My Carlisle turf glides "the ones that everyone has and are out of balance "
only shake after lift off and I spike my brakes and all is smooth.=F0=9F=98
=9B
Lister Joe Lawson sales done huge diameter tires and wheels with black max h
ydraulic brakes that are quite reasonable.
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
> On Mar 11, 2016, at 6:01 PM, B Young <byoungplumbing@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> To avoid the out of balance I put on a set of airtrack 600 x 6. Aircraft t
ires.
>
> When I took off I thought the plane was going to shake apart.... Balanc
ed the tires with the self sticking weights inside the rim. It is now so sm
ooth, no shake at all. One tire took 6 little squares,, the other took 6 o
n both the inside and outside halves... So much for pre balanced aircraft t
ires...
>
> My neighbor said they would determine how much weight was needed, cut a pi
ece of old inner tube and vulcanize it to the inside of the tire on the ligh
t side, then use 1 or 2 weights to finish the job.
>
> Boyd Y
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Subject: | Tires for your Firestar |
My experience with different tires on Kolbs resulted in buying Airtracs from Desser
Tire Company, 800x6, 4 ply. They have been on my MKIII a long time and many,
many landings.
I tried the "golf cart" type tires in 800x6 with poor results. They tried to shake
the main gear off the MKIII on takeoff.
The primary difference between slow speed off road type tires and aircraft tires
is:
-Aircraft tires are "trued" and "balanced" after they are manufactured. You can't
make an out of round tire round with weights.
-Mine are rated at 110 or 120 mph. No problem there. I would have a hard time
hitting 120 in a 90 degree dive.
Good tires and tubes are worth the money. I could not takeoff with a flat tire.
Some of the places we fly, especially out West, I couldn't walk out for help.
I have to have tires and tubes that are reliable.
If I am going to be flying off pavement, primarily, I use 10-15 psi. A combination
of dirt and pavement, 6-10 psi works for me. I have 6 psi in them now.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Berle
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2016 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tires for your Firestar
I am hoping to fly with larger tires than 6.00 x 6. My hope is to use some sort
of modest price ATV or off-road vehicle tire in the neighborhood of what would
be 8.00 x 6 to 8.50 x 6 in the airplane world. My entire purpose for this aircraft
is to go out and play in the dirt, grass hilltops, riverbeds, etc. So diameter
and "flotation" are somewhat significant to me. I do not need to go up
to the horriblyexpensive 29 inch aircraft "bush" and "tundra" tires. That money
is going into the gas tank :)
Bill Berle
www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities
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On Fri, 3/11/16, B Young <byoungplumbing@gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tires for your Firestar
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Date: Friday, March 11, 2016, 3:01 PM
To avoid the out of
balance I put on a set of airtrack 600 x 6. Aircraft tires.
When I took off I thought the plane was going to shake apart.... Balanced
the tires with the self sticking weights inside the rim. It is now so smooth,
no shake at all. One tire took 6 little squares,, the other took 6 on both
the inside and outside halves... So much for pre balanced aircraft tires...
My neighbor said they would determine how much weight was needed, cut a piece
of old inner tube and vulcanize it to the inside of the tire on the light side,
then use 1 or 2 weights to finish the job.
Boyd Y
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Subject: | Re: Tires for your Firestar |
http://desser.wspdev.com/Aircraft-Tires-and-Tubes/21800-6-4-PLY.asp
Take a look at these. It is the best price that I can find for a larger
tire. Those secured from turning with the screws as I did earlier would be
a good combination. I would advise you to have the 4130 gear legs,
preferably the longer 36 inch version. The spring that is built into these
legs will reduce the shock to your frame from rough country, and with the
tires secured to the rim you can let a lot of the air out to further
cushion the plane.
We will be installing a pair of these tires to Boyd's plane soon. He can
give you a report then.
Larry
On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 4:21 PM, Bill Berle <victorbravo@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
>
> I am hoping to fly with larger tires than 6.00 x 6. My hope is to use some
> sort of modest price ATV or off-road vehicle tire in the neighborhood of
> what would be 8.00 x 6 to 8.50 x 6 in the airplane world. My entire purpose
> for this aircraft is to go out and play in the dirt, grass hilltops,
> riverbeds, etc. So diameter and "flotation" are somewhat significant to me.
> I do not need to go up to the horriblyexpensive 29 inch aircraft "bush" and
> "tundra" tires. That money is going into the gas tank :)
>
> Bill Berle
> www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
> www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and
> for-profit entities
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Fri, 3/11/16, B Young <byoungplumbing@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tires for your Firestar
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Date: Friday, March 11, 2016, 3:01 PM
>
> To avoid the out of
> balance I put on a set of airtrack 600 x 6. Aircraft
> tires.
> When I took off I thought the plane was going
> to shake apart.... Balanced the tires with the self
> sticking weights inside the rim. It is now so smooth, no
> shake at all. One tire took 6 little squares,, the
> other took 6 on both the inside and outside halves... So
> much for pre balanced aircraft tires...
> My neighbor said they would determine how much
> weight was needed, cut a piece of old inner tube and
> vulcanize it to the inside of the tire on the light side,
> then use 1 or 2 weights to finish the job.
> Boyd Y
>
>
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Subject: | Tires for your Firestar |
Did you all see these tubes? Look like a good idea.
http://www.desser.com/Aircraft-Tires-and-Tubes/TU-700800-6-AM.asp
4" taller on those Airtracs would improve off field work. Also set the
nose of the Kolb a couple inches higher.
Putting a tail dragger in a good, nose high stance improves performance
in several areas:
-Can get off the ground quicker.
-Can land shorter.
-The more the bottom of the wing is turned up the quicker you can stop.
-Can perform nice full stall landings without bumping the tail wheel.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry
Cottrell
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2016 5:53 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tires for your Firestar
http://desser.wspdev.com/Aircraft-Tires-and-Tubes/21800-6-4-PLY.asp
Take a look at these. It is the best price that I can find for a larger
tire. Those secured from turning with the screws as I did earlier would
be a good combination. I would advise you to have the 4130 gear legs,
preferably the longer 36 inch version. The spring that is built into
these legs will reduce the shock to your frame from rough country, and
with the tires secured to the rim you can let a lot of the air out to
further cushion the plane.
We will be installing a pair of these tires to Boyd's plane soon. He can
give you a report then.
Larry
On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 4:21 PM, Bill Berle <victorbravo@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
I am hoping to fly with larger tires than 6.00 x 6. My hope is to use
some sort of modest price ATV or off-road vehicle tire in the
neighborhood of what would be 8.00 x 6 to 8.50 x 6 in the airplane
world. My entire purpose for this aircraft is to go out and play in the
dirt, grass hilltops, riverbeds, etc. So diameter and "flotation" are
somewhat significant to me. I do not need to go up to the
horriblyexpensive 29 inch aircraft "bush" and "tundra" tires. That money
is going into the gas tank :)
Bill Berle
www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and
for-profit entities
--------------------------------------------
On Fri, 3/11/16, B Young <byoungplumbing@gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tires for your Firestar
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Date: Friday, March 11, 2016, 3:01 PM
To avoid the out of
balance I put on a set of airtrack 600 x 6. Aircraft
tires.
When I took off I thought the plane was going
to shake apart.... Balanced the tires with the self
sticking weights inside the rim. It is now so smooth, no
shake at all. One tire took 6 little squares,, the
other took 6 on both the inside and outside halves... So
much for pre balanced aircraft tires...
My neighbor said they would determine how much
weight was needed, cut a piece of old inner tube and
vulcanize it to the inside of the tire on the light side,
then use 1 or 2 weights to finish the job.
Boyd Y
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Subject: | Re: Tires for your Firestar |
Just a heads-up; if you think a/c tires are trued & balanced, read this
installation guide carefully. :-)
http://www.desser.com/content/tire_mounting_info.asp
Charlie
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Subject: | Tires for your Firestar |
Yes, aircraft tires are trued and balanced when manufactured. Of course the tire,
tube, and wheel assembly must be fine tuned when mounted, just like an auto
tire that is also trued and balanced when they are manufactured.
Off road, golf cart type tires are not trued and balanced when manufactured. It
is obvious when you mount an egg shaped out balance tire on your airplane.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charlie England
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2016 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tires for your Firestar
Just a heads-up; if you think a/c tires are trued & balanced, read this installation
guide carefully. :-)
http://www.desser.com/content/tire_mounting_info.asp
Charlie
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Subject: | Re: Tires for your Firestar |
OK, lets go with your assertion. Why are there explicit instructions on
aligning a stripe on the tube with a red dot on the tire, or aligning a
red dot on the tire with the valve stem if there's no stripe on the tube?
On 3/11/2016 9:36 PM, John Hauck wrote:
>
> Yes, aircraft tires are trued and balanced when manufactured. Of course the
tire, tube, and wheel assembly must be fine tuned when mounted, just like an auto
tire that is also trued and balanced when they are manufactured.
>
> Off road, golf cart type tires are not trued and balanced when manufactured.
It is obvious when you mount an egg shaped out balance tire on your airplane.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charlie England
> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2016 8:59 PM
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tires for your Firestar
>
>
> Just a heads-up; if you think a/c tires are trued & balanced, read this installation
guide carefully. :-)
>
> http://www.desser.com/content/tire_mounting_info.asp
>
> Charlie
>
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