---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 03/11/16: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:35 AM - matco brake manual (b young) 2. 02:44 PM - Tires for your Firestar (KIRBY, DENNIS T GS-13 USAF AFMC AFNWC/EZS) 3. 03:01 PM - Re: Tires for your Firestar (B Young) 4. 03:23 PM - Re: Tires for your Firestar (Bill Berle) 5. 03:38 PM - Re: Tires for your Firestar (Dennis Rowe) 6. 03:46 PM - Re: Tires for your Firestar (John Hauck) 7. 03:53 PM - Re: Tires for your Firestar (Larry Cottrell) 8. 04:28 PM - Re: Tires for your Firestar (John Hauck) 9. 06:58 PM - Re: Tires for your Firestar (Charlie England) 10. 07:36 PM - Re: Tires for your Firestar (John Hauck) 11. 07:46 PM - Re: Tires for your Firestar (Charlie England) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:35:40 AM PST US From: "b young" Subject: Kolb-List: matco brake manual for those who would like the technical service guide for matco wheels and b rakes... you can go to the web sight www.matcomfg.com and do a search for y our wheels and one of the results will be a pdf file for your wheels and br akes. this is the link for the matco mh6b series. http://static.veracart =2Ecom/matco/item_pdfs/2395/document1.pdf boyd young --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:44:46 PM PST US From: "KIRBY, DENNIS T GS-13 USAF AFMC AFNWC/EZS" Subject: Kolb-List: Tires for your Firestar Bill Berle asked: << Can anyone here tell me which is the best or best compromise choice for wheels brakes and tires, for my particular intended use? I will be building up this Firestar specifically as an off-airport, back country, extreme STOL aircraft to explore small landing areas. ... Which combinations of wheels/brakes/tires have been successful on the Kolb aircraft for this type of mission? >> Bill - My experience has shown that, for tires, avoid the "wavy tread" ultralight 800x6 tires that are so popular in so many of today's Light Sport airplanes (Kolbs included). Those tires look cool, and "off-roady" but they are usually dismally out of balance. I put a pair of those on my Mark-3 several years ago, but took them off after a few weeks. On takeoff roll, my instrument panel would shake so badly that I could not even read the instruments. Tried to balance them at various motorcycle or ATV shops, but none could do it. For larger tires suitable for off-airport and back country landing places, get general aviation tires (Desser, Air Hawk, etc.) of size 800x6 or 850x6. They're a bit more expensive, but worth it. Get 4-ply if you can, instead of 6-ply. They'll be softer and add extra cushion on landings. As light as our Kolbs are, you'll be able to operate those tires with as low as 10 or 8 psi. You'll probably never wear them out. Dennis Kirby Mark-3 / 912ul Sandia Park, NM ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:01:55 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tires for your Firestar From: B Young To avoid the out of balance I put on a set of airtrack 600 x 6. Aircraft tires. When I took off I thought the plane was going to shake apart.... Balanced the tires with the self sticking weights inside the rim. It is now so smooth, no shake at all. One tire took 6 little squares,, the other took 6 on both the inside and outside halves... So much for pre balanced aircraft tires... My neighbor said they would determine how much weight was needed, cut a piece of old inner tube and vulcanize it to the inside of the tire on the light side, then use 1 or 2 weights to finish the job. Boyd Y ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:23:20 PM PST US From: Bill Berle Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tires for your Firestar I am hoping to fly with larger tires than 6.00 x 6. My hope is to use some sort of modest price ATV or off-road vehicle tire in the neighborhood of what would be 8.00 x 6 to 8.50 x 6 in the airplane world. My entire purpose for this aircraft is to go out and play in the dirt, grass hilltops, riverbeds, etc. So diameter and "flotation" are somewhat significant to me. I do not need to go up to the horriblyexpensive 29 inch aircraft "bush" and "tundra" tires. That money is going into the gas tank :) Bill Berle www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 3/11/16, B Young wrote: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tires for your Firestar To: kolb-list@matronics.com Date: Friday, March 11, 2016, 3:01 PM To avoid the out of balance I put on a set of airtrack 600 x 6. Aircraft tires. When I took off I thought the plane was going to shake apart.... Balanced the tires with the self sticking weights inside the rim. It is now so smooth, no shake at all. One tire took 6 little squares,, the other took 6 on both the inside and outside halves... So much for pre balanced aircraft tires... My neighbor said they would determine how much weight was needed, cut a piece of old inner tube and vulcanize it to the inside of the tire on the light side, then use 1 or 2 weights to finish the job. Boyd Y ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:38:15 PM PST US From: Dennis Rowe Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tires for your Firestar My Carlisle turf glides "the ones that everyone has and are out of balance " only shake after lift off and I spike my brakes and all is smooth.=F0=9F=98 =9B Lister Joe Lawson sales done huge diameter tires and wheels with black max h ydraulic brakes that are quite reasonable. Dennis "Skid" Rowe > On Mar 11, 2016, at 6:01 PM, B Young wrote: > > To avoid the out of balance I put on a set of airtrack 600 x 6. Aircraft t ires. > > When I took off I thought the plane was going to shake apart.... Balanc ed the tires with the self sticking weights inside the rim. It is now so sm ooth, no shake at all. One tire took 6 little squares,, the other took 6 o n both the inside and outside halves... So much for pre balanced aircraft t ires... > > My neighbor said they would determine how much weight was needed, cut a pi ece of old inner tube and vulcanize it to the inside of the tire on the ligh t side, then use 1 or 2 weights to finish the job. > > Boyd Y ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:46:28 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Tires for your Firestar My experience with different tires on Kolbs resulted in buying Airtracs from Desser Tire Company, 800x6, 4 ply. They have been on my MKIII a long time and many, many landings. I tried the "golf cart" type tires in 800x6 with poor results. They tried to shake the main gear off the MKIII on takeoff. The primary difference between slow speed off road type tires and aircraft tires is: -Aircraft tires are "trued" and "balanced" after they are manufactured. You can't make an out of round tire round with weights. -Mine are rated at 110 or 120 mph. No problem there. I would have a hard time hitting 120 in a 90 degree dive. Good tires and tubes are worth the money. I could not takeoff with a flat tire. Some of the places we fly, especially out West, I couldn't walk out for help. I have to have tires and tubes that are reliable. If I am going to be flying off pavement, primarily, I use 10-15 psi. A combination of dirt and pavement, 6-10 psi works for me. I have 6 psi in them now. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Berle Sent: Friday, March 11, 2016 5:21 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tires for your Firestar I am hoping to fly with larger tires than 6.00 x 6. My hope is to use some sort of modest price ATV or off-road vehicle tire in the neighborhood of what would be 8.00 x 6 to 8.50 x 6 in the airplane world. My entire purpose for this aircraft is to go out and play in the dirt, grass hilltops, riverbeds, etc. So diameter and "flotation" are somewhat significant to me. I do not need to go up to the horriblyexpensive 29 inch aircraft "bush" and "tundra" tires. That money is going into the gas tank :) Bill Berle www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 3/11/16, B Young wrote: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tires for your Firestar To: kolb-list@matronics.com Date: Friday, March 11, 2016, 3:01 PM To avoid the out of balance I put on a set of airtrack 600 x 6. Aircraft tires. When I took off I thought the plane was going to shake apart.... Balanced the tires with the self sticking weights inside the rim. It is now so smooth, no shake at all. One tire took 6 little squares,, the other took 6 on both the inside and outside halves... So much for pre balanced aircraft tires... My neighbor said they would determine how much weight was needed, cut a piece of old inner tube and vulcanize it to the inside of the tire on the light side, then use 1 or 2 weights to finish the job. Boyd Y ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:53:36 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tires for your Firestar From: Larry Cottrell http://desser.wspdev.com/Aircraft-Tires-and-Tubes/21800-6-4-PLY.asp Take a look at these. It is the best price that I can find for a larger tire. Those secured from turning with the screws as I did earlier would be a good combination. I would advise you to have the 4130 gear legs, preferably the longer 36 inch version. The spring that is built into these legs will reduce the shock to your frame from rough country, and with the tires secured to the rim you can let a lot of the air out to further cushion the plane. We will be installing a pair of these tires to Boyd's plane soon. He can give you a report then. Larry On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 4:21 PM, Bill Berle wrote: > > I am hoping to fly with larger tires than 6.00 x 6. My hope is to use some > sort of modest price ATV or off-road vehicle tire in the neighborhood of > what would be 8.00 x 6 to 8.50 x 6 in the airplane world. My entire purpose > for this aircraft is to go out and play in the dirt, grass hilltops, > riverbeds, etc. So diameter and "flotation" are somewhat significant to me. > I do not need to go up to the horriblyexpensive 29 inch aircraft "bush" and > "tundra" tires. That money is going into the gas tank :) > > Bill Berle > www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft > www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and > for-profit entities > > -------------------------------------------- > On Fri, 3/11/16, B Young wrote: > > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tires for your Firestar > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Date: Friday, March 11, 2016, 3:01 PM > > To avoid the out of > balance I put on a set of airtrack 600 x 6. Aircraft > tires. > When I took off I thought the plane was going > to shake apart.... Balanced the tires with the self > sticking weights inside the rim. It is now so smooth, no > shake at all. One tire took 6 little squares,, the > other took 6 on both the inside and outside halves... So > much for pre balanced aircraft tires... > My neighbor said they would determine how much > weight was needed, cut a piece of old inner tube and > vulcanize it to the inside of the tire on the light side, > then use 1 or 2 weights to finish the job. > Boyd Y > > -- *The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant.* *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.* ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:28:49 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Tires for your Firestar Did you all see these tubes? Look like a good idea. http://www.desser.com/Aircraft-Tires-and-Tubes/TU-700800-6-AM.asp 4" taller on those Airtracs would improve off field work. Also set the nose of the Kolb a couple inches higher. Putting a tail dragger in a good, nose high stance improves performance in several areas: -Can get off the ground quicker. -Can land shorter. -The more the bottom of the wing is turned up the quicker you can stop. -Can perform nice full stall landings without bumping the tail wheel. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Cottrell Sent: Friday, March 11, 2016 5:53 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tires for your Firestar http://desser.wspdev.com/Aircraft-Tires-and-Tubes/21800-6-4-PLY.asp Take a look at these. It is the best price that I can find for a larger tire. Those secured from turning with the screws as I did earlier would be a good combination. I would advise you to have the 4130 gear legs, preferably the longer 36 inch version. The spring that is built into these legs will reduce the shock to your frame from rough country, and with the tires secured to the rim you can let a lot of the air out to further cushion the plane. We will be installing a pair of these tires to Boyd's plane soon. He can give you a report then. Larry On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 4:21 PM, Bill Berle wrote: I am hoping to fly with larger tires than 6.00 x 6. My hope is to use some sort of modest price ATV or off-road vehicle tire in the neighborhood of what would be 8.00 x 6 to 8.50 x 6 in the airplane world. My entire purpose for this aircraft is to go out and play in the dirt, grass hilltops, riverbeds, etc. So diameter and "flotation" are somewhat significant to me. I do not need to go up to the horriblyexpensive 29 inch aircraft "bush" and "tundra" tires. That money is going into the gas tank :) Bill Berle www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 3/11/16, B Young wrote: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tires for your Firestar To: kolb-list@matronics.com Date: Friday, March 11, 2016, 3:01 PM To avoid the out of balance I put on a set of airtrack 600 x 6. Aircraft tires. When I took off I thought the plane was going to shake apart.... Balanced the tires with the self sticking weights inside the rim. It is now so smooth, no shake at all. One tire took 6 little squares,, the other took 6 on both the inside and outside halves... So much for pre balanced aircraft tires... My neighbor said they would determine how much weight was needed, cut a piece of old inner tube and vulcanize it to the inside of the tire on the light side, then use 1 or 2 weights to finish the job. 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If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:58:08 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tires for your Firestar From: Charlie England Just a heads-up; if you think a/c tires are trued & balanced, read this installation guide carefully. :-) http://www.desser.com/content/tire_mounting_info.asp Charlie ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:36:50 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Tires for your Firestar Yes, aircraft tires are trued and balanced when manufactured. Of course the tire, tube, and wheel assembly must be fine tuned when mounted, just like an auto tire that is also trued and balanced when they are manufactured. Off road, golf cart type tires are not trued and balanced when manufactured. It is obvious when you mount an egg shaped out balance tire on your airplane. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charlie England Sent: Friday, March 11, 2016 8:59 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tires for your Firestar Just a heads-up; if you think a/c tires are trued & balanced, read this installation guide carefully. :-) http://www.desser.com/content/tire_mounting_info.asp Charlie ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:46:20 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tires for your Firestar From: Charlie England OK, lets go with your assertion. Why are there explicit instructions on aligning a stripe on the tube with a red dot on the tire, or aligning a red dot on the tire with the valve stem if there's no stripe on the tube? On 3/11/2016 9:36 PM, John Hauck wrote: > > Yes, aircraft tires are trued and balanced when manufactured. Of course the tire, tube, and wheel assembly must be fine tuned when mounted, just like an auto tire that is also trued and balanced when they are manufactured. > > Off road, golf cart type tires are not trued and balanced when manufactured. It is obvious when you mount an egg shaped out balance tire on your airplane. > > john h > mkIII > Titus, Alabama > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charlie England > Sent: Friday, March 11, 2016 8:59 PM > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tires for your Firestar > > > Just a heads-up; if you think a/c tires are trued & balanced, read this installation guide carefully. :-) > > http://www.desser.com/content/tire_mounting_info.asp > > Charlie > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.