---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 03/15/16: 4 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 09:22 AM - Re: Re: Tires for your Firestar (Richard Girard) 2. 09:45 AM - Re: Re: Kolb tires (Richard Girard) 3. 09:50 AM - Re: Re: Tires for your Firestar (Bill Berle) 4. 01:10 PM - Re: Kolb tires (Rex Rodebush) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 09:22:07 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Tires for your Firestar From: Richard Girard you could also try this. I've never used it, can't make a recommendation. https://www.zoro.com/3m-flexible-foam-nvh-08463/i/G0406463/?gdffi=047ada9 98cf641fa93e55ae8579df863&gdfms=5EA4232146CF4B229C255AAAF651CF33&gclid= CPW8-dyLw8sCFQYIaQodCZwIjw&gclsrc=aw.ds Lots of Youtube videos about using urethane foam to fill tires, too, but it doesn't remain flexible so it'll crush up over time and make a mess in something like an aircraft tire. Rick On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 1:08 PM, Bill Berle wrote: > > Here's a potential game-changer solution right here... > > http://www.goldspeedproducts.com/shop/tire-blocks/ > > These are foam inserts that allow you to run lower pressure and even run > safely when punctured flat. > > I'll bet that these foam blocks weigh less than the three piece tire iron > set that was mentioned earlier, or the can of flat tire repair goop :) > > > Bill Berle > www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft > www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and > for-profit entities > > -------------------------------------------- > On Mon, 3/14/16, Larry Cottrell wrote: > > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Tires for your Firestar > To: "kolb-list@matronics.com" > Date: Monday, March 14, 2016, 10:37 AM > > " > I > will have a small lightweight tool kit with me, and a tire > pump. Even on a certified172 I can take the wheel off the > airplane with a medium Crescent wrench, take the wheel apart > with three 1/4 inch bolts, replace an inner tube or patch a > tire, and get it back together to fly back > home." > > I just > carry a can of "spare tire" wrapped in bubble wrap > in the back of my plane. > Larry > On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 > at 10:56 AM, Bill Berle > wrote: > Bill Berle > > > Yes, I want to make it clear that I'm not trying to > hassle or trash-talk anyone or their product. I do prefer > not having to wrestle with someone just to get an answer to > my question, but regardless of the effort it takes to get > that answer my motives and agendas are positive and not > negative. > > > My situation is that I want to fly extreme-STOL up in the > mountains and desert. I've been scouting several > locations in my 172, and believe it or not most of them are > actually within 50 or 60 miles of the "big city" > limits. So it's not like I'm going out Grizzly bear > bow hunting in the Aleutian Islands or anything... but > it's still way too far for me to just "walk into > town" with a tire and wheel in my hands. > > > I will have a small lightweight tool kit with me, and a tire > pump. Even on a certified172 I can take the wheel off the > airplane with a medium Crescent wrench, take the wheel apart > with three 1/4 inch bolts, replace an inner tube or patch a > tire, and get it back together to fly back home. > > > Bill Berle > > -------------------------------------------- > > On Mon, 3/14/16, Richard Girard > wrote: > > > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Tires for your Firestar > > To: "kolb-list@matronics.com" > > > Date: Monday, March 14, 2016, 9:29 AM > > > I have three metal > > tire irons that I carry with me. Less than 1 lb. for the > set > > and with a little water as lubricant they get the tire off > a > > one piece wheel just fine. It's breaking the bead > > that's the trick and for that I just use a hammer > with > > one iron to get it started. It's not what I'd use > at > > home, but we're talking stranded in the outback with > the > > vultures circling. :-} > > Rick Girard > > On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 > > at 9:16 AM, Charlie England > > wrote: > > > Charlie England > > > The tires and wheels do look nice, and are likely a good > > option if flying close to home. > > > However, it seems like you're missing his point. > > He's talking about real 'bush' flying, away > from > > airports & service facilities. With conventional 2 > piece > > wheels, you could break them down with simple hand tools > to > > repair a flat, and a small hand pump to re-inflate. But > with > > auto-style one piece wheels, it requires specialized > (heavy) > > tools to break a tire down for repair. Not likely to be in > a > > tool kit you can carry in a Kolb or other very light > > a/c. > > > Charlie > > > On 3/13/2016 11:19 PM, Carolina Flyer wrote: > > > > Flyer" > > > Bill, I use a cheap harbor freight device for putting > the > > tires on, cost $49.95 I think. > > > Rick, The only tires that I sell are these that I have > > pictures of and they fit on a 8 inch rims > > > -------- > > > Kolb Firestar II > > > 503 C-Box / RK400 > > > Soon to have a > > > Rotax 670 DCDI > > > with a C-Box and > > > RK 400 Clutch > > > Challenger II > > > 503 Tall Drive > > > Location : Buffalo South Carolina > > > ========== > > > br> > > fts!) > > > r> > > > > > href="http://www.buildersbooks.com" > > rel="noreferrer" > > target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com > > > rel="noreferrer" > > target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > > > ========== > > > -List" rel="noreferrer" > > target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > > > ========== > > > FORUMS - > > > eferrer" > > target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com > > > ========== > > > b Site - > > > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > > > rel="noreferrer" > > target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > ========== > > > -- > > =9CBlessed > > are the cracked, for they shall let in the light.=9D > Groucho > > Marx > > > ========== > > br> > fts!) > > r> > > > w.buildersbooks.com" rel="noreferrer" > target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com > > rel="noreferrer" > target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > > ========== > > -List" rel="noreferrer" > target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > > ========== > > FORUMS - > > eferrer" > target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com > > ========== > > b Site - > > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > > rel="noreferrer" > target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > ========== > > > -- > The older I get, the less tolerant I am of > those who are intolerant. > If you forward this email, or any part of > it, please remove my email address before sending. > > =========== =========== =========== =========== =========== > > -- =9CBlessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light.=9D Groucho Marx ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:45:09 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb tires From: Richard Girard Rex, the problem with this setup is you have a rigid caliper mount, a rigid disk mount, and single action calipers. Where is the movement that allows the caliper to squeeze the disk from both sides? My guess is that this is why you weren't getting stopping and holding power. I have a customer with Matco brakes on his Highlander, but they have slide pins so the caliper can move to bring both inside and outside pucks to bear on the disk. My trike's brakes have slide pins for the disk instead, but the outcome is the same and the caliper grips both sides of the disk. Take a look at the disk brakes on almost all cars. They have single action calipers mounted on slide pins so the caliper can grip both sides of the disk. Rick Girard PS For builders out there. If you are getting ready to mount Matco brakes with single action calipers think through where the brake dust is going and mount the caliper so the slide pins are UPWIND of the pucks. If you don't the dust turns the slide pin lube into lapping compound. The builder of the Highlander didn't and my customer was going through brake pucks every 30 hours and having to replace disks every 60 hours. This on an airplane that rarely sees a paved runway. At the last caliper rebuild I showed him the problem and got him to let me reverse the caliper mounting. He's at 60 hours and the brake pucks show little wear. On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 4:22 PM, Rex Rodebush wrote: > > I have 8.00-6 tires and one Matco caliper was not enough. I added an > additional newer Matco caliper on the existing wheels and now I can lock a > wheel to make a sharp turn and also hold tight at run up. See pictures. > > Rex > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=453759#453759 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_20150730_143703673_212.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0993_203_374.jpg > > =========== =========== =========== =========== =========== > > -- =9CBlessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light.=9D Groucho Marx ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:50:46 AM PST US From: Bill Berle Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Tires for your Firestar I'm sure that the chemical type of foam is the key, because of exactly that problem... getting less flexible over time and turning into a mess. I have no idea for sure, but this may be a good application for some kind of foam made form silicone rubber. Bill Berle www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 3/15/16, Richard Girard wrote: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Tires for your Firestar To: "kolb-list@matronics.com" Date: Tuesday, March 15, 2016, 9:21 AM you could also try this. I've never used it, can't make a recommendation. https://www.zoro.com/3m-flexible-foam-nvh-08463/i/G0406463/?gdffi=047ada998cf641fa93e55ae8579df863&gdfms=5EA4232146CF4B229C255AAAF651CF33&gclid=CPW8-dyLw8sCFQYIaQodCZwIjw&gclsrc=aw.ds Lots of Youtube videos about using urethane foam to fill tires, too, but it doesn't remain flexible so it'll crush up over time and make a mess in something like an aircraft tire. Rick On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 1:08 PM, Bill Berle wrote: Bill Berle Here's a potential game-changer solution right here... http://www.goldspeedproducts.com/shop/tire-blocks/ These are foam inserts that allow you to run lower pressure and even run safely when punctured flat. I'll bet that these foam blocks weigh less than the three piece tire iron set that was mentioned earlier, or the can of flat tire repair goop :) Bill Berle www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 3/14/16, Larry Cottrell wrote: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Tires for your Firestar To: "kolb-list@matronics.com" Date: Monday, March 14, 2016, 10:37 AM " I will have a small lightweight tool kit with me, and a tire pump. Even on a certified172 I can take the wheel off the airplane with a medium Crescent wrench, take the wheel apart with three 1/4 inch bolts, replace an inner tube or patch a tire, and get it back together to fly back home." I just carry a can of "spare tire" wrapped in bubble wrap in the back of my plane. Larry On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Bill Berle wrote: Bill Berle Yes, I want to make it clear that I'm not trying to hassle or trash-talk anyone or their product. I do prefer not having to wrestle with someone just to get an answer to my question, but regardless of the effort it takes to get that answer my motives and agendas are positive and not negative. My situation is that I want to fly extreme-STOL up in the mountains and desert. I've been scouting several locations in my 172, and believe it or not most of them are actually within 50 or 60 miles of the "big city" limits. So it's not like I'm going out Grizzly bear bow hunting in the Aleutian Islands or anything... but it's still way too far for me to just "walk into town" with a tire and wheel in my hands. I will have a small lightweight tool kit with me, and a tire pump. Even on a certified172 I can take the wheel off the airplane with a medium Crescent wrench, take the wheel apart with three 1/4 inch bolts, replace an inner tube or patch a tire, and get it back together to fly back home. Bill Berle -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 3/14/16, Richard Girard wrote: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Tires for your Firestar To: "kolb-list@matronics.com" Date: Monday, March 14, 2016, 9:29 AM I have three metal tire irons that I carry with me. Less than 1 lb. for the set and with a little water as lubricant they get the tire off a one piece wheel just fine. It's breaking the bead that's the trick and for that I just use a hammer with one iron to get it started. It's not what I'd use at home, but we're talking stranded in the outback with the vultures circling. :-} Rick Girard On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 9:16 AM, Charlie England wrote: Charlie England The tires and wheels do look nice, and are likely a good option if flying close to home. However, it seems like you're missing his point. He's talking about real 'bush' flying, away from airports & service facilities. With conventional 2 piece wheels, you could break them down with simple hand tools to repair a flat, and a small hand pump to re-inflate. But with auto-style one piece wheels, it requires specialized (heavy) tools to break a tire down for repair. Not likely to be in a tool kit you can carry in a Kolb or other very light a/c. Charlie On 3/13/2016 11:19 PM, Carolina Flyer wrote: Flyer" Bill, I use a cheap harbor freight device for putting the tires on, cost $49.95 I think. Rick, The only tires that I sell are these that I have pictures of and they fit on a 8 inch rims -------- Kolb Firestar II 503 C-Box / RK400 Soon to have a Rotax 670 DCDI with a C-Box and RK 400 Clutch Challenger II 503 Tall Drive Location : Buffalo South Carolina ========== br> fts!) r> > href="http://www.buildersbooks.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ========== -List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List ========== FORUMS - eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com ========== b Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== -- Blessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light. 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If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending. ========== br> fts!) r> > w.buildersbooks.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ========== -List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List ========== FORUMS - eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com ========== b Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== -- Blessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light. Groucho Marx ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:10:31 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb tires From: "Rex Rodebush" The mechanical advantage is about 4.5:1 with the new design. I modified the brakes to fit my feet as it was difficult not to ride the brakes while taxing. The next time I'm at the airport I'll take some pictures of the new brake pedals and also check if the calipers are dual acting. They are the Matco setup and have not been changed. I assume they would be dual acting. 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