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1. 06:53 AM - Re: flap usage (TheWanderingWench)
2. 07:18 AM - Re: flap usage (John Hauck)
3. 07:30 AM - Re: flap usage (John Hauck)
4. 09:54 AM - Re: flap usage (Dave Kulp)
5. 10:13 AM - Re: flap usage (John Hauck)
6. 07:04 PM - video (Larry Cottrell)
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I must have missed the post that described what a "pop" takeoff is, and how
it's done. From John's post I assume it has to do with how you use the fla
ps.
Would you please describe it?
Thanks -
Arty TrostSandy, Oregon=C2-www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com/uladventure2009.htm
"Life's a daring adventure or nothing" Helen Keller
"I refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at death."
From: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2016 2:17 AM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: flap usage
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Berle
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2016 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: flap usage
Anyone interested in maximum STOL takeoff should try out the "pop" techniqu
e used in larger STOL type aircraft. This would likely make a noticeable di
fference.
Bill Berle
I'm a little ahead of Bill B.=C2- I have used that technique since I star
ted flying a Kolb with flaps.=C2- About 24 years in my case.
Yes, it works quite well on "smaller" STOL aircraft.=C2- It is a great te
chnique to break free of tall grass, sand, mud.=C2- On one occasion I was
taking off from a private strip in a corn field in Indiana.=C2- It was r
aining cats and dogs.=C2- Water was standing on the groomed grass strip.
=C2- Lots of drag on my MKIII.=C2- The pop up technique got me and the
fully loaded MKIII, on return flight from Oshkosh, up and away.
Most of the time I only use the pop up technique to show off if I have an a
udience.=C2- ;-)
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama - Tired after 6.5 flight hours in rough air going the wrong
direction.
=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
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Arty/Kolbers:
I use the flaps to pop up off the ground before the MKIII is ready to
fly without flaps. Around 30 mph I pull full flaps, pop off the ground,
gain airspeed as I retract the flaps and climb out of ground effect.
When I depart my short grass strip on long cross country flights, or
with a passenger, I take off with half flaps, 20 degrees. This gets me
off the ground pretty quick, giving me a margin of safety with a heavier
load. On cross country flights I am at max gross, with full fuel, 150
lbs, and about 100-125 lbs of gear. There is more of a psychological
effect when taking off maxed out because I have been flying light and am
not used to the extra weight. After a few hours and take off and
landings, the max weight take offs become normal again. The first take
off after dumping all that gear is fuel, the MKIII is like a rocket
ship.
In extreme cases taking off with full flaps helps lighten the load on
the mains and gets it rolling in undesirable terrain.
I'm still working on my first cup of coffee.
john h
Titus, Alabama
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
TheWanderingWench
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2016 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: flap usage
I must have missed the post that described what a "pop" takeoff is, and
how it's done. >From John's post I assume it has to do with how you use
the flaps.
Would you please describe it?
Thanks -
Arty Trost
Sandy, Oregon
www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com/uladventure2009.htm
"Life's a daring adventure or nothing" Helen Keller
"I refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at death."
_____
From: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2016 2:17 AM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: flap usage
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Berle
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2016 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: flap usage
Anyone interested in maximum STOL takeoff should try out the "pop"
technique used in larger STOL type aircraft. This would likely make a
noticeable difference.
Bill Berle
I'm a little ahead of Bill B. I have used that technique since I
started flying a Kolb with flaps. About 24 years in my case.
Yes, it works quite well on "smaller" STOL aircraft. It is a great
technique to break free of tall grass, sand, mud. On one occasion I was
taking off from a private strip in a corn field in Indiana. It was
raining cats and dogs. Water was standing on the groomed grass strip.
Lots of drag on my MKIII. The pop up technique got me and the fully
loaded MKIII, on return flight from Oshkosh, up and away.
Most of the time I only use the pop up technique to show off if I have
an audience. ;-)
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama - Tired after 6.5 flight hours in rough air going the
wrong direction.
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After a few hours and take off and landings, the max weight take offs
become normal again. The first take off after dumping all that gear
"and" fuel, the MKIII is like a rocket ship.
I'm still working on my first cup of coffee.
john h
Titus, Alabama
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Hey Arty,
Haven't heard much from you since your epic journey. Nice to see you're
still hanging out!
There's an STOL competition up in Valdez, AK that I've watched a number
of years. Following is a link of the champ where you can plainly see
him working the flaps. I sometimes enviously watch a bird landing on a
tree branch and wish I were half that good at planting it. This guy
almost is!! Of course a plane coming to a stop with it's tail high in
the air and it's prob destroyed isn't unusual. Enjoy.
https://www.facebook.com/david.canales/videos/10153342548022718/?pnref=story
Dave Kulp
Bethlehem, PA
On 4/10/2016 9:52 AM, TheWanderingWench wrote:
> I must have missed the post that described what a "pop" takeoff is,
> and how it's done. >From John's post I assume it has to do with how
> you use the flaps.
>
> Would you please describe it?
>
> Thanks -
>
> Arty Trost
> Sandy, Oregon
>
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Very good example.
Sometimes I would like to see this competition conducted in a little or
no wind condition.
Having flown into Valdez in my MKIII, I know it can be very windy there.
Pretty obvious it was windy the day of the competition. Those guys are
good.
Two years ago, Steve Henry and Gary Haley (former member of the Kolb
List and flying buddy), flew to Valdez for the competition. Steve
placed 2d or 3d in his class flying a stock Just Highlander. Steve
flies out of Nampa, ID, and visits Larry Cottrell's Rock House
occasionally. Nice guy. Spent some time with Steve and Gary at
Lakeland last week.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Kulp
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2016 11:38 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: flap usage
Hey Arty,
Haven't heard much from you since your epic journey. Nice to see you're
still hanging out!
There's an STOL competition up in Valdez, AK that I've watched a number
of years. Following is a link of the champ where you can plainly see
him working the flaps. I sometimes enviously watch a bird landing on a
tree branch and wish I were half that good at planting it. This guy
almost is!! Of course a plane coming to a stop with it's tail high in
the air and it's prob destroyed isn't unusual. Enjoy.
https://www.facebook.com/david.canales/videos/10153342548022718/?pnref=
story
Dave Kulp
Bethlehem, PA
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Here is a short video of a flight that I managed to squeeze in this
morning. There was a storm front due in mid morning, but I had a bit of
time to roll out the Firestar before it hit.
I flew over the area originally looking for a "reputed" Elk herd that was
supposed to have wintered there. I saw nothing then but I was at altitude
for that flight. This time I wanted to see if there were any shed antlers
that would have been left behind. For that I needed to be close to the
ground. Since that area burned about 3-4 years ago, anything left on the
ground would stick out like a sore thumb. The area seems ( to me) to be a
wind generator. There is always squirrely wind up there, so I needed to be
as early as I could get there with as little wind as possible.
https://vimeo.com/162304958
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password- owyheeflyer
Larry
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