---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 05/04/16: 3 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:20 AM - Re: ground aerobatics... (Bill Berle) 2. 02:39 PM - Re: new to Kolb list (George Bearden) 3. 04:42 PM - Re: Re: new to Kolb list (Larry Cottrell) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:20:55 AM PST US From: Bill Berle Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ground aerobatics... Now it's clear... I did not realize the new owner had wrecked it. The youtube videos I saw did not show anything that frightened me... I'm an old washed up 15 meter glider racer myself :) Bill Berle www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 5/3/16, Herb wrote: Subject: Kolb-List: ground aerobatics... To: kolb-list@matronics.com Date: Tuesday, May 3, 2016, 7:44 PM Herb Seems that Herb cannot get anything right today...been that kind of day....!! anyhow...the Test flight video of the Firefly(for those of you who have been following this saga) was the second flight...The same guy,experienced Kolb owner, flew a no video ,by the book first flight...testing trim, stall so on... Satisfied the strapped on the camera and did the you tube flight....and the third flight was the owner flipping the plane on its back.. private , non accessible video at this time.. clear as mud?Herb On 05/03/2016 07:58 PM, pcking wrote: > > > That the pilot flies sailplanes could explain what you see as extreme > maneuvers in the video. A 45 degree bank is normal in a sailplane when > you are trying to fly in the core of a thermal. A pullup to wings > vertical is a fast way to reverse direction when you have flown out of > the core. This pilot found himself in a plane with a crisp roll rate > and enjoyed it. > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Herb" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 7:45 PM > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: snow what??? > > >> >> Bill >> >>Just in case...this vid shows the maiden flight of the Firefly... >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmmXDbhcTwY&feature=youtu.be >> >> >>and viewing it again...I see nothing in the maneuvers that >> alarm....he did a hands off...and I noticed a slight nose >> down...which is good...he did some slow flight prior to landing and >> some hot dogging of sorts for the audience ...which is not in my >> repertoirebut fine in our little birds... Makes me want to try >> them though... :-)Ain't dead yet!! Herb >> >> >> >> On 05/03/2016 05:59 PM, Bill Berle wrote: >>> >>> Any English speaking people here? >>> >>> This may be the fourth or fifth time I've asked... what exactly >>> happened that got everyone so !)$(% upset at the new owner of Herb's >>> Firefly? >>> >>> Bill Berle >>> www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft >>> www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and >>> for-profit entities >>> >>> -------------------------------------------- >>> On Tue, 5/3/16, Herb wrote: >>> >>>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: snow what??? >>>To: kolb-list@matronics.com >>>Date: Tuesday, May 3, 2016, 3:34 PM >>>I have been so upset that subject line is the last thing >>>on my >>> mind...! >>>You think like my Southern Baptist Minister...flew 20 >>>years in >>> Tanzania...supporting the ministry over there... >>>I called him and he said pretty much the same.... >>>May have missed your calling , John! >>>did you notice that the Warp prop stopped the engine >>>dead when the >>> plane went over....with no damage? Father....a >>>miracle?? :-) Herb >>> On 05/03/2016 04:50 PM, >>>John Hauck >>> wrote: >>>#yiv5329024951 >>>#yiv5329024951 -- >>> _filtered #yiv5329024951 {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} >>> _filtered #yiv5329024951 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 >>>5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} >>> _filtered #yiv5329024951 {font-family:Tahoma;panose-1:2 11 >>>6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} >>> _filtered #yiv5329024951 {font-family:Consolas;panose-1:2 >>>11 6 9 2 2 4 3 2 4;} >>> _filtered #yiv5329024951 {panose-1:3 15 7 2 3 3 2 2 2 4;} >>>#yiv5329024951 >>>#yiv5329024951 p.yiv5329024951MsoNormal, #yiv5329024951 >>>li.yiv5329024951MsoNormal, #yiv5329024951 >>>div.yiv5329024951MsoNormal >>> {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;color:black;} >>>#yiv5329024951 a:link, #yiv5329024951 >>>span.yiv5329024951MsoHyperlink >>>{color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} >>>#yiv5329024951 a:visited, #yiv5329024951 >>>span.yiv5329024951MsoHyperlinkFollowed >>>{color:purple;text-decoration:underline;} >>>#yiv5329024951 pre >>> {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:10.0pt;color:black;} >>>#yiv5329024951 span.yiv5329024951HTMLPreformattedChar >>>{font-family:Consolas;color:black;} >>>#yiv5329024951 span.yiv5329024951EmailStyle19 >>>{color:#1F497D;} >>>#yiv5329024951 .yiv5329024951MsoChpDefault >>>{font-size:10.0pt;} >>> _filtered #yiv5329024951 {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;} >>>#yiv5329024951 div.yiv5329024951WordSection1 >>>{} >>>#yiv5329024951 >>> I >>> only have control over one person, me, and not >>>all the time. >>> Certainly >>> do not have control over anyone else. >>>If >>> I sell an airplane to an individual, I have no >>> responsibility or control of what he or she may >>>do with it. >>> Hope your customer does not harm or kill >>>himself. However, >>> if he does, you have no control over that. He >>>will not be >>> the first, nor will he be the last. Some folks >>>are built >>> that way. >>> The >>> man has been warned. What else can you do? I >>>don't know. >>> One >>> thing for sure, the airplane seems to fly well >>>and did not >>> fall out of the sky, nor did the engine >>>quit. >>> BTW: >>> I like the subject line. ;-)( >>> john >>> h >>> mkIII >>> Titus, >>> Alabama >>> From: >>> owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com >>> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] >>>On >>> Behalf Of Herb >>>Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 4:24 >>>PM >>>To: kolb-list@matronics.com >>>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: snow >>>what??? >>> I am in >>> contact with another guy on the field who >>>witnessed the >>> accident and who did the test flight,sent me the >>>video, (do >>> not ask for it is restricted.)...and he is >>>not >>> hopeful...!!And I am looking at emails that >>>have been >>> exchanged by several others who saw it...most are >>> discouraged... absolutely no instincts that are >>>necessary for >>> take off , let alone landing! >>>I sent the wife and kids ...widow/orphan >>>message...to him... >>> as thick as I could , no holds barred!! >>>I feel as if I am witnessing someone's >>>death in slow >>> motion... :-(Herb >>> On 05/03/2016 >>>03:25 PM, Larry Cottrell >>> wrote: >>> On Tue, >>>May 3, 2016 at 12:44 PM, >>> Herb >>> wrote: >>> --> >>>Kolb-List message posted by: >>> Herb >>>Up shot...the new owner put it on its >>>back..and did >>> considerable damage which the club members >>>(a lot of >>> expertise in that club!!) have >>>repaired..to the extent >>> that the repair is hardly noticeable... >>>To be honest, after all that I have >>>heard,, it would >>> have been great if it was not fixable!!! >>>:-( >>>We have developed a plan to help save >>>this guy.... >>> lets hope.... (wife and kids are last >>>resort!!)Herb >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>I'm >>>not sure what you are so >>> worried about. If the guy had it on its >>>back >>> already, he should be getting the >>>message, don't you >>> think? Nothing like a little personal up >>>close >>> experience to tell a guy what he does >>>and does not >>> know. Sounds like a great bunch of >>>guy's that would >>> help him put it back together. I am sure >>>that he >>> will now be open to suggestions. >>> Larry >>> -- >>> The older I >>>get, the less >>> tolerant I am of those who >>>are >>> intolerant of >>>others. >>> If you forward this >>> email, or any part of it, >>>please remove >>> my email address before >>>sending. >>> -- >>> Signature text; Fort Marcy Park? Sure...Mr. >>>Foster...Third red light and turn left. >>> -- >>>Signature text; Fort Marcy Park? Sure...Mr. Foster...Third >>>red light and turn left. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Signature text; Fort Marcy Park? Sure...Mr. Foster...Third red light >> and turn left. >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > -- Signature text; Fort Marcy Park? Sure...Mr. Foster...Third red light and turn left. Forum - - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - MATRONICS LIST WIKI - List Contribution Web Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:39:08 PM PST US From: "George Bearden" Subject: Kolb-List: Re: new to Kolb list > I have differential brakes that are cable operated and the levers are on the control stick. I asked a similar question and a member (Sorry, forgot your name) graciously sent me a pic of his. He has a cable looped between his dual levers. See attached. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:42:57 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: new to Kolb list From: Larry Cottrell For years I had individual hand brakes mounted on the stick, and I loved it. To me it was very easy to use either or both at the same time. It all depends on how close together they are. I built my own, so the handles were where I wanted them. It did not take long for me to get tired of getting out of the plane to pick up the boom tube to turn the plane around. Without individual brakes it takes a 20 acre field to turn around. Now I have hydraulic heel brakes and I have to concentrate to make sure that my heels are not activating the brakes when I take off. Give yourself a chance to get used to the hand brakes before you change them. Do be sure to get a break away tail wheel, and do the reinforcing of the tail post. Larry On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 3:37 PM, George Bearden wrote: > > I have differential brakes that are cable operated and the levers are on > the control stick. > > I asked a similar question and a member (Sorry, forgot your name) > graciously sent me a pic of his. He has a cable looped between his dual > levers. See attached. > > -- *The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of others.* *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.* ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.