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Mon 05/09/16


Total Messages Posted: 12



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     1. 10:15 AM - runway advice (flywithme)
     2. 10:39 AM - Re: Kolb Firestar Progress report (Richard Pike)
     3. 11:05 AM - Re: runway advice (Larry Cottrell)
     4. 11:15 AM - Re: runway advice (Bill Berle)
     5. 01:00 PM - Re: Re: Kolb Firestar Progress report (John Hauck)
     6. 01:05 PM - Re: runway advice (John Hauck)
     7. 01:25 PM - Re: runway advice (flywithme)
     8. 02:46 PM - Re: runway advice (Jim Baker)
     9. 02:52 PM - Re: runway advice (Kirk Smith)
    10. 06:11 PM - Re: Re: runway advice (Richard Girard)
    11. 06:43 PM - Re: runway advice (Charlie England)
    12. 07:39 PM - Re: runway advice (Richard Pike)
 
 
 


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    Time: 10:15:25 AM PST US
    Subject: runway advice
    From: "flywithme" <constrjh@pldi.net>
    I am in the process of identifying my private airport with the FAA. should i request that it be put on the charts? also it is just a grass runway that we used to land the 150 on and it was more than adequate for that plane.do i need to have any provisions especially for the firefly? it is 2000 feet long and 75 feet wide with a slight crown to the center. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=456022#456022


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    Time: 10:39:02 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Kolb Firestar Progress report
    From: "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron@charter.net>
    John Hauck wrote: > > > I don't understand "But now I have a ground plane for my antenna. (Wink)" > > john h - The clueless. > MKIII > Titus, AL Clueless does not suit you well John, you are not that sort of guy - so here's a picture: Several of us spent an afternoon a couple years ago testing various places on a Kolb for optimum antenna response. This works good on mine, ATC gives me a "5X5" from many miles away, with me using an ancient hand held. I suppose the counterbalance and top of the rudder is acting as a ground plane ahead and behind, and the brace wires on either side must do a better job than I would have expected. -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Would you consider yourself to be a good person? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWcDXT6pH7A Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=456023#456023 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1050033_medium_181.jpg


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    Time: 11:05:49 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: runway advice
    From: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020@gmail.com>
    Flywith me wrote- I am in the process of identifying my private airport with the FAA. should i request that it be put on the charts? I am wondering why you want to put it on the charts? or be identified by the FAA? Is there a benefit to doing so? Sounds like an insurance nightmare to me. Then again "paranoia is merely a heightened sense of reality". Larry


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    Time: 11:15:52 AM PST US
    From: Bill Berle <victorbravo@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: runway advice
    Whether it should be put on the charts is a question for an attorney unfortunately. There are risks and rewards like everything else. But if you do put it on the charts it might be a lifesaver for someone who is running out of fuel , or is being boxed in by weather, and needs a safe plane to land. My GUESS (not an attorney) is that whatever you do make sure it is marked as private (PVT on the chart). That way you probably make some reduction in liability, and will have a reduction in your insurance cost because it is not open to the public. If you choose a published chart name for the strip like "Fly With Me Ultralight", then you reduce your liabilities even more, because when some Bonanza or Learjet pilot lands and damages the airplane you have a defensible position that it was easily identifiable as an ultralight strip, and obviously not maintained for larger or heavier airplanes. Again, a real attorney has to guide you through this, not me. Bill Berle www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 5/9/16, flywithme <constrjh@pldi.net> wrote: Subject: Kolb-List: runway advice To: kolb-list@matronics.com Date: Monday, May 9, 2016, 10:14 AM "flywithme" <constrjh@pldi.net> I am in the process of identifying my private airport with the FAA. should i request that it be put on the charts? also it is just a grass runway that we used to land the 150 on and it was more than adequate for that plane.do i need to have any provisions especially for the firefly? it is 2000 feet long and 75 feet wide with a slight crown to the center. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=456022#456022 Forum - - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - MATRONICS LIST WIKI - List Contribution Web Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin.


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    Time: 01:00:55 PM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Kolb Firestar Progress report
    Now I remember your post. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Can't keep my eyes open. I have had good luck with my ICOM A6 and 21" ss whip antenna mounted under the nose cone. On departure from the Rock House, south of Burns Junction, Oregon, I was sending and receiving 5X5, 85 sm east, almost to the Snake River. I wouldn't know what to do with a real radio. ;-) john h mkIII Titus, Alabama Several of us spent an afternoon a couple years ago testing various places on a Kolb for optimum antenna response. -------- Richard Pike


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    Time: 01:05:26 PM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: runway advice
    The only thing that identifies my grass strip as an airfield is the 8 foot orange and white wind sock, and a 750' mowed strip in a cow pasture. I don't want FAA involved in my airfield. Next thing the Feds will be looking for taxes. The county tax man already charges me $50.00 annually for owning an airplane I built in my basement. Sorry SOB! john h mkIII Titus, Alabama I am wondering why you want to put it on the charts? or be identified by the FAA? Is there a benefit to doing so? Sounds like an insurance nightmare to me. Then again "paranoia is merely a heightened sense of reality". Larry


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    Time: 01:25:08 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: runway advice
    From: "flywithme" <constrjh@pldi.net>
    the runway is already on file with the FAA as a private VFR only runway. and also listed a private use daytime VFR use with owners permission only. the FAA also has the dimensions and described as a grass surface. there is no requirement for it to be charted and i haven't considered an insurance policy other than farm ranch. the runway did save a fellow once many years ago from carbon monoxide piosening,boy was he sick. he just barely made it down. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=456034#456034


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    Time: 02:46:03 PM PST US
    From: Jim Baker <jimbaker@npacc.net>
    Subject: Re: runway advice
    GPS your own Lat/Lon .....they aren't very accurate in determining the actuals for your strip from descriptions. They put mine on the other side of town, 8 miles from real location. Costs nothing to put it on.....at least to you. If you have any IR or VR routes passing close by, beneficial to those in the route to know you're there. Jim Baker 405 426 5377 -----Original Message----- From: flywithme <constrjh@pldi.net> Sent: Mon, 09 May 2016 13:14 Subject: Kolb-List: runway advice I am in the process of identifying my private airport with the FAA. should i request that it be put on the charts? also it is just a grass runway that we used to land the 150 on and it was more than adequate for that plane.do i need to have any provisions especially for the firefly? it is 2000 feet long and 75 feet wide with a slight crown to the center. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=456022#456022


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    Time: 02:52:51 PM PST US
    From: "Kirk Smith" <kirk.smith@frontier.com>
    Subject: Re: runway advice
    50 bucks! WTF? How in hell do they get away with that. Do they also charge for owning a car, boat, tractor, motorcycle? I just mowed the field outback and F the FAA. Although a local ultralight group posted my location in their flyers without my permission. A holes. From: John Hauck Sent: Monday, May 9, 2016 4:05 PM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: runway advice The only thing that identifies my grass strip as an airfield is the 8 foot orange and white wind sock, and a 750' mowed strip in a cow pasture. I don't want FAA involved in my airfield. Next thing the Feds will be looking for taxes. The county tax man already charges me $50.00 annually for owning an airplane I built in my basement. Sorry SOB! john h mkIII Titus, Alabama I am wondering why you want to put it on the charts? or be identified by the FAA? Is there a benefit to doing so? Sounds like an insurance nightmare to me. Then again "paranoia is merely a heightened sense of reality". Larry No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 05/09/16


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    Time: 06:11:57 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: runway advice
    From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
    SEE: http://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all-news/2013/may/14/oklahoma-governor-s igns-recreational-aviation-bill Rick Girard On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 3:24 PM, flywithme <constrjh@pldi.net> wrote: > > the runway is already on file with the FAA as a private VFR only runway. > and also listed a private use daytime VFR use with owners permission only . > the FAA also has the dimensions and described as a grass surface. there i s > no requirement for it to be charted and i haven't considered an insurance > policy other than farm ranch. the runway did save a fellow once many year s > ago from carbon monoxide piosening,boy was he sick. he just barely made i t > down. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=456034#456034 > > =========== =========== =========== =========== =========== > > -- =9CBlessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light.=9D Groucho Marx <http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/43244.Groucho_Marx>


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    Time: 06:43:31 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: runway advice
    From: Charlie England <ceengland7@gmail.com>
    On 5/9/2016 12:14 PM, flywithme wrote: > > I am in the process of identifying my private airport with the FAA. should i request that it be put on the charts? also it is just a grass runway that we used to land the 150 on and it was more than adequate for that plane.do i need to have any provisions especially for the firefly? it is 2000 feet long and 75 feet wide with a slight crown to the center. Don't know if actually charting it would make a difference, but having it registered with the FAA can sometimes buy you some protection. For instance, it might keep a tower from being built 50 feet off the approach end of your runway. You're much more likely to be notified in time to stop that kind of project if it's actually charted, because the potential builders would likely notify you to head off controversy early. John getting charged $50 a year sounds more like an annual license fee for the aircraft than anything else. I'd consider that pretty reasonable. I my state of MS, a homebuilt is only $25/yr, but many states charge based on appraised value. In many states, he would be paying hundreds per year. And it wouldn't matter whether the plane is based on a private, unregistered strip or a public airport. Taxes on the runway would depend on your state/county/city. The airpark where I live has the runway taxed as agricultural land; no doubt some states are far more aggressive on their real estate taxes, just like they are on vehicle (including a/c) taxes. Liability would depend on state law, as others pointed out, but if there's an R on the chart, it's up to you whether you allow legal access to anyone else. If someone trespasses & stubs their toe, you could be held liable regardless of how you're using the land. Insurance is a variable, like taxes, and would depend on the insurer. If I were flying near you & had an engine-out, I'd certainly appreciate it showing up in my GPS. It's saved one or two people who were near my home strip. Worth what you paid; yadayadayada, Charlie


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    Time: 07:39:05 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: runway advice
    From: "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron@charter.net>
    The Feds seem to take a dim view of people who build airstrips and don't tell them, I told them about mine, what you do with yours is none of my business. http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Form/faa-form-7480-1-notice-for-construction-2014.pdf The current form is different from the one I had to fill out, so I put a big notice on it "Owner desires the airport not be charted." In spite of that, years ago I was working E radar at TRI, and got an IFR inbound that filed destination as 3TN0 - you guessed it; my 750' grass strip. Could not resist: asked the pilot to verify landing at 3TN0 - Indian Springs. He said yes, why? I told him that was the 750' grass strip behind my house, and I needed to call the wife and tell her to get the video camera, because if someone was going to land a Cessna Citation there, we needed to get it on film. He was not amused. Probably because he was trying to land at the airport closest to Kingsport, and got caught doing some really crappy flight planning. -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Would you consider yourself to be a good person? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWcDXT6pH7A Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=456046#456046




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