---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 05/23/16: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 10:09 AM - 912 exhaust options (McCarthy Tom) 2. 02:04 PM - what oil?? (flywithme) 3. 02:16 PM - Re: what oil?? (Stuart Harner) 4. 02:58 PM - What is the longest leg one has planned with a 447 and 5 gal flying a firfly (skydiveal) 5. 03:10 PM - Re: What is the longest leg one has planned with a 447 and 5 gal flying a firfly (John Hauck) 6. 05:56 PM - Use iridium spark plugs was what oil?? (DBforfun@aol.com) 7. 08:10 PM - Re: What is the longest leg one has planned with a 447 and 5 ga (west1m) 8. 08:18 PM - Re: what oil?? (Richard Pike) 9. 08:37 PM - Re: What is the longest leg one has planned with a 447 and 5 gal flying a firfly (Stuart Harner) 10. 10:40 PM - Re: Re: what oil?? (blong6826) 11. 10:43 PM - Re: Re: what oil?? (blong6826) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 10:09:18 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: 912 exhaust options From: McCarthy Tom I am curious what different exhausts you are using on your 912 powered planes other than the Titan. I find the Titan to be too loud even with my Zulu headset. I can more than afford to lose a few horse power to quiet things down. Tom McCarthy Slingshot 912ul N863GB Zenith 601HD 912ul N541TM ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:04:41 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: what oil?? From: "flywithme" I am new to the Rotax engine. I have a 447 points ignition engine on my Firefly. what oil do you fellow Kolbers use in your Engines? why? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=456511#456511 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:16:16 PM PST US From: "Stuart Harner" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: what oil?? Mine is a 447 with electronic single ignition. Amzoil Super Saber Professional 100:1 mix ratio. Recommended by the shop foreman at LEAF in Wisconsin. Phil Lockwood (Lockwood Aviation) recommends Pennzoil 2 stroke air cooled oil. Go figure. They both recommend using Stabil fuel stabilizer to help keep the gas fresh longer. I use this too. Only 20 hours on mine so far. All OK. Carbon buildup is minimal. Just replaced the plugs coming out of storage for the winter. Looked good but why put them in for a lousy 5 hours before the recommended replacement? I would look into upgrading the ignition system if at all possible. Your engine must have some years on it. Hope it was stored properly. -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of flywithme Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 4:04 PM Subject: Kolb-List: what oil?? I am new to the Rotax engine. I have a 447 points ignition engine on my Firefly. what oil do you fellow Kolbers use in your Engines? why? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=456511#456511 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:58:25 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: What is the longest leg one has planned with a 447 and 5 gal flying a firfly From: skydiveal CiAgICAKClNpbmNlIGltIG5vdCBnb2luZyBvZmYgYWlycG9ydCBmYXIgaXQncyBoYXJkIHRvIGZp Z3VyZSBteSBjb25zdW1wdGlvbiBhbHNvIEknbSBub3QgcXVpdGUgcmVhZHkgdG8gdmVudHVyZSB0 byBmYXIgZnJvbSB0aGUgbmVzdCB5ZXQgbG9sQnV0IEknZCBzdXJlIGxpa2UgdG8gaGVhciBzb21l IHZldGVyYW5zIG9mIHRoZSBza3kgZ2l2ZSBhbiBpZGVhIG9uIGEgY2FsbSBub25lIHdpbmQgZGF5 V2hhdCBkaXN0YW5jZSBkb2VzIG9uZSBnZXQgb24gYSBwbGFubmVkIGxlZ0ZseWluZyBhIGZpcmVm bHkgNSBnYWwgYSA0NDcgQCA1NjAwIHJwbSB0byBrZWVwIHZhcmlhbmNlcyBvbiB0aGUgc2FtZSBw YWdlVGhhbmsgeW91IG11Y2gKCgoKU2VudCB2aWEgdGhlIFNhbXN1bmcgR2FsYXh5IE5vdGXCriAz LCBhbiBBVCZUIDRHIExURSBzbWFydHBob25l ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:10:40 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: What is the longest leg one has planned with a 447 and 5 gal flying a firfly My single carb, point ignition 447 burned 3.75 gph cruising at 5800 rpm on cross country flights, not buzzing around the local area. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of skydiveal Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 4:58 PM Subject: Kolb-List: What is the longest leg one has planned with a 447 and 5 gal flying a firfly Since im not going off airport far it's hard to figure my consumption also I'm not quite ready to venture to far from the nest yet lol But I'd sure like to hear some veterans of the sky give an idea on a calm none wind day What distance does one get on a planned leg Flying a firefly 5 gal a 447 @ 5600 rpm to keep variances on the same page Thank you much Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note=C2=AE 3, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:56:30 PM PST US From: DBforfun@aol.com Subject: Kolb-List: Use iridium spark plugs was what oil?? I switched to iridium spark plugs in my Rotax 447 and noticed a significant difference in a smoother running engine with less mis-fires. The powered paraglider guys were saying that they have virtually eliminated spark plug fowling by switching to iridium plugs. One thing on oil that is important if you buy Pennzoil is make sure you get 2 stroke AIR COOLED engine oil and not 2 stroke oil for your outboard motor. Water cooled outboards run cooler than air cooled engines. In a message dated 5/23/2016 2:16:25 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, stuart@harnerfarm.net writes: --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Stuart Harner" Mine is a 447 with electronic single ignition. Amzoil Super Saber Professional 100:1 mix ratio. Recommended by the shop foreman at LEAF in Wisconsin. Phil Lockwood (Lockwood Aviation) recommends Pennzoil 2 stroke air cooled oil. Go figure. They both recommend using Stabil fuel stabilizer to help keep the gas fresh longer. I use this too. Only 20 hours on mine so far. All OK. Carbon buildup is minimal. Just replaced the plugs coming out of storage for the winter. Looked good but why put them in for a lousy 5 hours before the recommended replacement? I would look into upgrading the ignition system if at all possible. Your engine must have some years on it. Hope it was stored properly. -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of flywithme Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 4:04 PM Subject: Kolb-List: what oil?? --> Kolb-List message posted by: "flywithme" I am new to the Rotax engine. I have a 447 points ignition engine on my Firefly. what oil do you fellow Kolbers use in your Engines? why? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=456511#456511 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:10:53 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: What is the longest leg one has planned with a 447 and 5 ga From: "west1m" In my 447 Firefly single carb points, I just did about 60 miles at about that RPM. Filled up in Menomonie. http://www.west1m.com/MissedMyLunch/index.html -------- West1m Hastings, MN Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=456518#456518 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/menomomnie_may2_946.jpg ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:18:19 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: what oil?? From: "Richard Pike" Started using Phillips Injex for 2-stroke engines back in 1983, used it ever since. Got 700+ hours out of a Rotax 277, still running good when I sold it, no problems, on it's 2nd piston and original crank. Used it in several 503's, 532's, 582's and still using it. Burns cleaner than Pennzoil. Tried Pennzoil one summer, covered the tail with oily soot. Plugs looked the same, cylinder walls looked the same, just made the airplane nasty. Phillips doesn't do that. Have had a few times when I had to clean the carbon off some rings, but never had a seizure or a bearing failure. Underside of the cylinder head is always clean, exhaust ports don't clog up. Run my engines around 1100 degrees EGT or as close to it as possible. Worth what ya paid for it. -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Would you consider yourself to be a good person? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWcDXT6pH7A Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=456519#456519 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:37:12 PM PST US From: "Stuart Harner" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: What is the longest leg one has planned with a 447 and 5 gal flying a firfly That is about what I am seeing with Serenity. Wind direction usually determines where I go. I fly generally into the wind for =C2=BD hour, then turn and start heading back, meander around some to time my landing at about an hour on the tach give or take 10 minutes. Longest flight was 1.3 hours and burned 4.0 gallons. 447 electronic ignition Single carb 3 blade 60=9D Warp Drive set to about 7.5=C2=B0 pitch Cruise 5800 to 5900 but sometimes drop back to 5600 if the wind is to my back and the air is =9Cright=9D. Produces 63 to 65 MPH on the ASI. Fat tires and fat pilot make for a (ahem) heavy bird. ;) From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hauck Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 5:10 PM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: What is the longest leg one has planned with a 447 and 5 gal flying a firfly My single carb, point ignition 447 burned 3.75 gph cruising at 5800 rpm on cross country flights, not buzzing around the local area. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of skydiveal Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 4:58 PM Subject: Kolb-List: What is the longest leg one has planned with a 447 and 5 gal flying a firfly Since im not going off airport far it's hard to figure my consumption also I'm not quite ready to venture to far from the nest yet lol But I'd sure like to hear some veterans of the sky give an idea on a calm none wind day What distance does one get on a planned leg Flying a firefly 5 gal a 447 @ 5600 rpm to keep variances on the same page Thank you much Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note=C2=AE 3, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:40:37 PM PST US Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: what oil?? 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