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1. 04:44 AM - Re: Re: A little Wisconsin green (Patrick Ladd)
2. 06:36 AM - Re: Re: A little Wisconsin green (John Hauck)
3. 06:56 AM - Re: Re: A little Wisconsin green (B Young)
4. 07:05 AM - Re: Re: A little Wisconsin green (John Hauck)
5. 07:21 AM - Re: Re: A little Wisconsin green (John Hauck)
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Subject: | Re: A little Wisconsin green |
Nav is much simpler here. Take off and fly to the corner pub. The Ham Tree.
Fly West to The Bunch of Grapes. Follow the canal to The Canal Tavern. Eas
t to the Rose and Crown.....and like that.
Pat
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From: Rick Neilsen<mailto:neilsenrm@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday=2C June 13=2C 2016 6:09 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: A little Wisconsin green
Wow you guys need some flat land navigation training. What happens if the
GPS fails. Good old compass and clock=2C charts and if all else fails circl
e
a water tower.
Did a flight to a great fly in a few years ago. When I landed 200 miles
from home I forgot to power off my GPS/com before tuning off the engine.
When it was time to go home I found I had fried my GPS and radio. Adding to
the issue I had to deviate around some big thunder storms on the way home.
When I cleared the storms I knew I was way off course. The first town I
came to I circled the water tower to get the town's name. I was a good 30
miles off course. With my charts compass and clock It was no big deal to
get me close enough to familiar ground to get me home.
Now I have Fore Flight on my phone as a back up GPS.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
On Sun=2C Jun 12=2C 2016 at 10:26 PM=2C west1m <west1m@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Good question! I have complained about not knowing which way is which eve
r
> since I left Southern California 25 Years Ago. I miss the Mountains.
> If it wasn't for GPS I am afraid my flying might not be round trip.
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> West1m
> Hastings=2C MN
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=457058#457058
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Subject: | Re: A little Wisconsin green |
Pilotage and Dead Reckoning is the way I flew in VN the majority of the
time. We sure could have used GPS back then. Could have saved a lot of
lives and done a much better job, both on the ground and in the air.
The first 10 years of my Kolb flying was Pilotage and Dead Reckoning, in
the Ultrastar, Firestar, and MKIII. Flew in all the states east of the
Mississippi River and four on the west side without GPS or Loran. Just
before I departed on my 17,500 mile flight in 1994, I was able to buy a
Garmin GPS 55AVD. Only numbers in the display. No moving maps and no
airport information. I had to use sectionals, Canadian, and Alaskan
Flight Supplements for airport info. Kept me busy. Even this little
GPS sure saved a lot of time and saved my buns flying in Canada,
especially Alaska where the deviation/variation is as much as 19
degrees.
I have lost GPS coverage a few times over the last 23 years and resorted
to Pilotage and Dead Reckoning. It was actually fun navigating again.
Not looking at ground speed and trying to squeeze more speed out of the
airplane was more relaxed flying. However, the GPS saves a lot of fuel
and is an excellent safety device when it comes time to head to the
nearest airport.
Everyone that flies with GPS should also stay current flying Pilotage
and Dead Reckoning to fall back on when the GPS fails.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Neilsen
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 12:06 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: A little Wisconsin green
Wow you guys need some flat land navigation training. What happens if
the GPS fails. Good old compass and clock, charts and if all else fails
circle a water tower.
Did a flight to a great fly in a few years ago. When I landed 200 miles
from home I forgot to power off my GPS/com before tuning off the engine.
When it was time to go home I found I had fried my GPS and radio. Adding
to the issue I had to deviate around some big thunder storms on the way
home. When I cleared the storms I knew I was way off course. The first
town I came to I circled the water tower to get the town's name. I was a
good 30 miles off course. With my charts compass and clock It was no big
deal to get me close enough to familiar ground to get me home.
Now I have Fore Flight on my phone as a back up GPS.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 10:26 PM, west1m <west1m@hotmail.com> wrote:
Good question! I have complained about not knowing which way is which
ever since I left Southern California 25 Years Ago. I miss the
Mountains.
If it wasn't for GPS I am afraid my flying might not be round trip.
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West1m
Hastings, MN
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Subject: | Re: A little Wisconsin green |
flat land training is something I've never done... when at altitude when
you can see your home mountains from 200 miles away, the only decision is
which mountains are you going to fly over, and which are you going to fly
around. and a lot of that decision is not to hard,,, just by looking at
the set of mountains between the ones your deciding over, and the ones
near your destination. course I say that is easy,,, you have to factor
in the wind, landing spots, and how far you want to walk to get to a
road.
argh,,, mountain flying got to love it. or move to flat land.
Boyd Y
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Subject: | Re: A little Wisconsin green |
Mountain flying is extremely exciting and entertaining. Flat land
flying is extremely boring.
I enjoy flying out West because of the mountains and desert, canyons and
critters. However, one must contend with weather that can become deadly
and keep one grounded for days at a time. 2011 took me 11 days to fly
from Alabama to Oregon, and 7 days for the return flight. I encountered
bad weather in flat and lumpy areas.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of B Young
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: A little Wisconsin green
flat land training is something I've never done... when at altitude
when you can see your home mountains from 200 miles away, the only
decision is which mountains are you going to fly over, and which are you
going to fly around. and a lot of that decision is not to hard,,,
just by looking at the set of mountains between the ones your deciding
over, and the ones near your destination. course I say that is
easy,,, you have to factor in the wind, landing spots, and how far you
want to walk to get to a road.
argh,,, mountain flying got to love it. or move to flat land.
Boyd Y
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Subject: | Re: A little Wisconsin green |
I forgot to add: A normal flight to Oregon is 24.0 flight hours and 4
days duration. Same same return flight.
john h
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hauck
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 9:06 AM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: A little Wisconsin green
Mountain flying is extremely exciting and entertaining. Flat land
flying is extremely boring.
I enjoy flying out West because of the mountains and desert, canyons and
critters. However, one must contend with weather that can become deadly
and keep one grounded for days at a time. 2011 took me 11 days to fly
from Alabama to Oregon, and 7 days for the return flight. I encountered
bad weather in flat and lumpy areas.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of B Young
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: A little Wisconsin green
flat land training is something I've never done... when at altitude
when you can see your home mountains from 200 miles away, the only
decision is which mountains are you going to fly over, and which are you
going to fly around. and a lot of that decision is not to hard,,,
just by looking at the set of mountains between the ones your deciding
over, and the ones near your destination. course I say that is
easy,,, you have to factor in the wind, landing spots, and how far you
want to walk to get to a road.
argh,,, mountain flying got to love it. or move to flat land.
Boyd Y
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