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2. 09:22 AM - Re: HKS engine (Larry Cottrell)
3. 10:28 AM - Re: HKS engine (Herb)
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5. 11:09 AM - Re: HKS engine (John Hauck)
6. 12:04 PM - Re: HKS engine (Bill Berle)
7. 02:01 PM - Re: HKS engine (Herb)
8. 02:10 PM - Re: HKS engine (Herb)
9. 05:21 PM - Re: HKS engine (Gary Aman)
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Larry and anyone else who knows about HKS engines
Did an impulse buy a few days ago....Sent deposit...on an Rans
S-14...with HKS engine and three blade powefin... Clio,Michigan....
the engine has 80 hours...but in my haste did not get the sn...which
could have told me if it is a 500 hour or an 1000 hour engine!!
Wondering what the difference could be? Heads ? rings? Valve guides and
seals?
I thought I could sell the engine for nearly what I have in the
whole contraption... or put the engine on a Firestar 1...install a 503
on the Rans...etc....It is fully registered..so not so sure about engine
swaps...? Herb
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I can only tell you what I think, not prove. I believe that the extended
rebuild time was more through experience with the engines rather than any
improvement of them. I know that my rebuild time went up without any one
doing any thing to improve them. Jerry @ Greensky could give you the
definitive answer, and he is a good guy!
I would also think that you would only have to enter the change in the log
book and fly off a probationary period. Personally I would not sell the HKS
with the plane, by all means put it on the plane that you want to keep.
Three gallons per hour, increase in speed, range and quiet. Put a two blade
warp on it however. I ruined one of the three blade IVO trying to put
enough twist in it to get the right rpm. Its also very nice not having to
mix oil with the gas.
I personally am not going to send an engine in for a rebuild when it is
performing as it should. I am willing to take the risk. I don't care what
the company feels would reduce their liability.
Larry
On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 8:34 AM, Herb <Herbgh@nctc.com> wrote:
>
> Larry and anyone else who knows about HKS engines
>
> Did an impulse buy a few days ago....Sent deposit...on an Rans
> S-14...with HKS engine and three blade powefin... Clio,Michigan....
>
> the engine has 80 hours...but in my haste did not get the sn...which
> could have told me if it is a 500 hour or an 1000 hour engine!! Wondering
> what the difference could be? Heads ? rings? Valve guides and seals?
>
> I thought I could sell the engine for nearly what I have in the whole
> contraption... or put the engine on a Firestar 1...install a 503 on the
> Rans...etc....It is fully registered..so not so sure about engine
> swaps...? Herb
>
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Thanks Larry
I will put some hours on the plane this summer....but likely will
continue to look for a Firestar 1....
right...the engine is a keeper.... and as I said...that is why I
bought the plane...
Now to get it from Michigan to South Cent. Ky...
Spending the day replacing rotors,calipers and pads on rear of my Jeep
Grand Cherokee..next onto the trailer to grease bearings, fix wiring and
replace two of the 4 tires...
always something!! Herb
On 06/27/2016 11:20 AM, Larry Cottrell wrote:
> I can only tell you what I think, not prove. I believe that the
> extended rebuild time was more through experience with the engines
> rather than any improvement of them. I know that my rebuild time went
> up without any one doing any thing to improve them. Jerry @ Greensky
> could give you the definitive answer, and he is a good guy!
>
> I would also think that you would only have to enter the change in the
> log book and fly off a probationary period. Personally I would not
> sell the HKS with the plane, by all means put it on the plane that you
> want to keep. Three gallons per hour, increase in speed, range and
> quiet. Put a two blade warp on it however. I ruined one of the three
> blade IVO trying to put enough twist in it to get the right rpm. Its
> also very nice not having to mix oil with the gas.
>
> I personally am not going to send an engine in for a rebuild when it
> is performing as it should. I am willing to take the risk. I don't
> care what the company feels would reduce their liability.
>
> Larry
>
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Herb, One thing you can check is to see if the carbs have been changed to
have the needle clip in the fourth (top) groove. While it won't guarantee
that the engine is a 1000 hr TBO engine, it's a good indication. Now, while
you have the needle out, move the clip to the second groove to stop wasting
fuel. The rationale for richening up the midrange is to protect the exhaust
valve guide. A bit like shooting yourself in the foot to see if your pistol
is properly sighted in. Leaning out the mixture in the midrange lowers EGT
and improves fuel economy by about a gallon per hour. To protect the valve
guide I premix MMO at one and a half oz. per gallon. Over 300 hours on my
engine and no sign of problems. Note that the full throttle mixture is not
changed by doing this.
You also might want to look at the throttle linkage. The HKS comes with
motorcycle style cable throttles, i.e. if the cable breaks the carb goes to
idle. Rotax has the linkage parts (or the Bing Agency in Council Groves,
KS) to change it over to an aircraft style cable where the throttle goes to
full if the cable breaks, instead.
Last, to protect the gear box, always cool the engine to below 250 degrees
before shut down.
It's a really great engine.
Rick Girard
On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 12:25 PM, Herb <Herbgh@nctc.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks Larry
>
> I will put some hours on the plane this summer....but likely will
> continue to look for a Firestar 1....
>
> right...the engine is a keeper.... and as I said...that is why I bough
t
> the plane...
>
> Now to get it from Michigan to South Cent. Ky...
>
> Spending the day replacing rotors,calipers and pads on rear of my Jeep
> Grand Cherokee..next onto the trailer to grease bearings, fix wiring and
> replace two of the 4 tires...
>
> always something!! Herb
>
> On 06/27/2016 11:20 AM, Larry Cottrell wrote:
>
>> I can only tell you what I think, not prove. I believe that the extended
>> rebuild time was more through experience with the engines rather than an
y
>> improvement of them. I know that my rebuild time went up without any one
>> doing any thing to improve them. Jerry @ Greensky could give you the
>> definitive answer, and he is a good guy!
>>
>> I would also think that you would only have to enter the change in the
>> log book and fly off a probationary period. Personally I would not sell
the
>> HKS with the plane, by all means put it on the plane that you want to ke
ep.
>> Three gallons per hour, increase in speed, range and quiet. Put a two bl
ade
>> warp on it however. I ruined one of the three blade IVO trying to put
>> enough twist in it to get the right rpm. Its also very nice not having t
o
>> mix oil with the gas.
>>
>> I personally am not going to send an engine in for a rebuild when it is
>> performing as it should. I am willing to take the risk. I don't care wha
t
>> the company feels would reduce their liability.
>>
>> Larry
>>
>>
>
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Fill it up with gas, climb in, point the nose towards Kentucky, and fly it home.
Airplanes are made to fly, not ride around on a trailer. ;-)
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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Subject: Re: Kolb-List: HKS engine
Thanks Larry
I will put some hours on the plane this summer....but likely will continue to
look for a Firestar 1....
right...the engine is a keeper.... and as I said...that is why I bought the
plane...
Now to get it from Michigan to South Cent. Ky...
Spending the day replacing rotors,calipers and pads on rear of my Jeep Grand Cherokee..next
onto the trailer to grease bearings, fix wiring and replace two of
the 4 tires...
always something!! Herb
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THANK YOU Rick, I am very appreciative to hear about any experience and knowledge
pertaining to the HKS.
I bought a used HKS 700e for my Firestar project. I may even buy a flying Firestar
(want to fly STOL sooner!!!) and the HKS would be put on that if I got it.
As I have mentioned previously, the stakes for engine reliability are higher i
the area where I will be operating this aircraft than most other Firestar owners.
Bill Berle
www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities
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On Mon, 6/27/16, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: HKS engine
To: "kolb-list@matronics.com" <kolb-list@matronics.com>
Date: Monday, June 27, 2016, 10:52 AM
Herb, One thing you
can check is to see if the carbs have been changed to have
the needle clip in the fourth (top) groove. While it
won't guarantee that the engine is a 1000 hr TBO engine,
it's a good indication. Now, while you have the needle
out, move the clip to the second groove to stop wasting
fuel. The rationale for richening up the midrange is to
protect the exhaust valve guide. A bit like shooting
yourself in the foot to see if your pistol is properly
sighted in. Leaning out the mixture in the midrange lowers
EGT and improves fuel economy by about a gallon per hour. To
protect the valve guide I premix MMO at one and a half oz.
per gallon. Over 300 hours on my engine and no sign of
problems. Note that the full throttle mixture is not changed
by doing this.You also might want to look at the
throttle linkage. The HKS comes with motorcycle style cable
throttles, i.e. if the cable breaks the carb goes to idle.
Rotax has the linkage parts (or the Bing Agency in Council
Groves, KS) to change it over to an aircraft style cable
where the throttle goes to full if the cable breaks,
instead.Last, to protect the gear box, always
cool the engine to below 250 degrees before shut
down.It's a really great engine.
Rick Girard
On Mon, Jun 27, 2016
at 12:25 PM, Herb <Herbgh@nctc.com>
wrote:
Herb <Herbgh@nctc.com>
Thanks Larry
I will put some hours on the plane this summer....but
likely will continue to look for a Firestar 1....
right...the engine is a keeper.... and as I said...that
is why I bought the plane...
Now to get it from Michigan to South Cent. Ky...
Spending the day replacing rotors,calipers and pads on rear
of my Jeep Grand Cherokee..next onto the trailer to grease
bearings, fix wiring and replace two of the 4 tires...
always something!! Herb
On 06/27/2016 11:20 AM, Larry Cottrell wrote:
I can only tell you what I think, not prove. I believe that
the extended rebuild time was more through experience with
the engines rather than any improvement of them. I know that
my rebuild time went up without any one doing any thing to
improve them. Jerry @ Greensky could give you the definitive
answer, and he is a good guy!
I would also think that you would only have to enter the
change in the log book and fly off a probationary period.
Personally I would not sell the HKS with the plane, by all
means put it on the plane that you want to keep. Three
gallons per hour, increase in speed, range and quiet. Put a
two blade warp on it however. I ruined one of the three
blade IVO trying to put enough twist in it to get the right
rpm. Its also very nice not having to mix oil with the gas.
I personally am not going to send an engine in for a rebuild
when it is performing as it should. I am willing to take the
risk. I don't care what the company feels would reduce
their liability.
Larry
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Good info...I will save all the comments in a word file...
There may be an HKS group at yahoo ? Herb
On 06/27/2016 12:52 PM, Richard Girard wrote:
> Herb, One thing you can check is to see if the carbs have been changed
> to have the needle clip in the fourth (top) groove. While it won't
> guarantee that the engine is a 1000 hr TBO engine, it's a good
> indication. Now, while you have the needle out, move the clip to the
> second groove to stop wasting fuel. The rationale for richening up the
> midrange is to protect the exhaust valve guide. A bit like shooting
> yourself in the foot to see if your pistol is properly sighted in.
> Leaning out the mixture in the midrange lowers EGT and improves fuel
> economy by about a gallon per hour. To protect the valve guide I
> premix MMO at one and a half oz. per gallon. Over 300 hours on my
> engine and no sign of problems. Note that the full throttle mixture is
> not changed by doing this.
> You also might want to look at the throttle linkage. The HKS comes
> with motorcycle style cable throttles, i.e. if the cable breaks the
> carb goes to idle. Rotax has the linkage parts (or the Bing Agency in
> Council Groves, KS) to change it over to an aircraft style cable where
> the throttle goes to full if the cable breaks, instead.
> Last, to protect the gear box, always cool the engine to below 250
> degrees before shut down.
> It's a really great engine.
>
> Rick Girard
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 12:25 PM, Herb <Herbgh@nctc.com
> <mailto:Herbgh@nctc.com>> wrote:
>
> <mailto:Herbgh@nctc.com>>
>
> Thanks Larry
>
> I will put some hours on the plane this summer....but likely
> will continue to look for a Firestar 1....
>
> right...the engine is a keeper.... and as I said...that is why
> I bought the plane...
>
> Now to get it from Michigan to South Cent. Ky...
>
> Spending the day replacing rotors,calipers and pads on rear of my
> Jeep Grand Cherokee..next onto the trailer to grease bearings, fix
> wiring and replace two of the 4 tires...
>
> always something!! Herb
>
> On 06/27/2016 11:20 AM, Larry Cottrell wrote:
>
> I can only tell you what I think, not prove. I believe that
> the extended rebuild time was more through experience with the
> engines rather than any improvement of them. I know that my
> rebuild time went up without any one doing any thing to
> improve them. Jerry @ Greensky could give you the definitive
> answer, and he is a good guy!
>
> I would also think that you would only have to enter the
> change in the log book and fly off a probationary period.
> Personally I would not sell the HKS with the plane, by all
> means put it on the plane that you want to keep. Three gallons
> per hour, increase in speed, range and quiet. Put a two blade
> warp on it however. I ruined one of the three blade IVO trying
> to put enough twist in it to get the right rpm. Its also very
> nice not having to mix oil with the gas.
>
> I personally am not going to send an engine in for a rebuild
> when it is performing as it should. I am willing to take the
> risk. I don't care what the company feels would reduce their
> liability.
>
> Larry
>
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With all of the preparation for the trip...it would be a lot more simple
to do just that.....however....zero time in type...not going to fly
anywhere but the circuit at the local airport for couple of hours...
The wing tanks are large...9.5 gals each? That would be close to a
non stop ride... ?
got me thinking however!! hmmm....
On 06/27/2016 01:09 PM, John Hauck wrote:
>
> Fill it up with gas, climb in, point the nose towards Kentucky, and fly it home.
>
> Airplanes are made to fly, not ride around on a trailer. ;-)
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
>
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We have only one HKS in our group so our experience is limited. MMO is probably
a good idea. I think one carb would be another one. The pulse pump (factory)
is uncheap!! It also won't supply the engine at high power settings. An aux pump
is a necessity. Our egt's went up as it leaned, but it has been a solid performer
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 27, 2016, at 3:03 PM, Bill Berle <victorbravo@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
> THANK YOU Rick, I am very appreciative to hear about any experience and knowledge
pertaining to the HKS.
>
> I bought a used HKS 700e for my Firestar project. I may even buy a flying Firestar
(want to fly STOL sooner!!!) and the HKS would be put on that if I got it.
>
> As I have mentioned previously, the stakes for engine reliability are higher
i the area where I will be operating this aircraft than most other Firestar owners.
>
>
> Bill Berle
> www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
> www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities
>
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> On Mon, 6/27/16, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: HKS engine
> To: "kolb-list@matronics.com" <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Date: Monday, June 27, 2016, 10:52 AM
>
> Herb, One thing you
> can check is to see if the carbs have been changed to have
> the needle clip in the fourth (top) groove. While it
> won't guarantee that the engine is a 1000 hr TBO engine,
> it's a good indication. Now, while you have the needle
> out, move the clip to the second groove to stop wasting
> fuel. The rationale for richening up the midrange is to
> protect the exhaust valve guide. A bit like shooting
> yourself in the foot to see if your pistol is properly
> sighted in. Leaning out the mixture in the midrange lowers
> EGT and improves fuel economy by about a gallon per hour. To
> protect the valve guide I premix MMO at one and a half oz.
> per gallon. Over 300 hours on my engine and no sign of
> problems. Note that the full throttle mixture is not changed
> by doing this.You also might want to look at the
> throttle linkage. The HKS comes with motorcycle style cable
> throttles, i.e. if the cable breaks the carb goes to idle.
> Rotax has the linkage parts (or the Bing Agency in Council
> Groves, KS) to change it over to an aircraft style cable
> where the throttle goes to full if the cable breaks,
> instead.Last, to protect the gear box, always
> cool the engine to below 250 degrees before shut
> down.It's a really great engine.
> Rick Girard
>
> On Mon, Jun 27, 2016
> at 12:25 PM, Herb <Herbgh@nctc.com>
> wrote:
> Herb <Herbgh@nctc.com>
>
>
>
> Thanks Larry
>
>
>
> I will put some hours on the plane this summer....but
> likely will continue to look for a Firestar 1....
>
>
>
> right...the engine is a keeper.... and as I said...that
> is why I bought the plane...
>
>
>
> Now to get it from Michigan to South Cent. Ky...
>
>
>
> Spending the day replacing rotors,calipers and pads on rear
> of my Jeep Grand Cherokee..next onto the trailer to grease
> bearings, fix wiring and replace two of the 4 tires...
>
>
>
> always something!! Herb
>
>
>
> On 06/27/2016 11:20 AM, Larry Cottrell wrote:
>
>
> I can only tell you what I think, not prove. I believe that
> the extended rebuild time was more through experience with
> the engines rather than any improvement of them. I know that
> my rebuild time went up without any one doing any thing to
> improve them. Jerry @ Greensky could give you the definitive
> answer, and he is a good guy!
>
>
>
> I would also think that you would only have to enter the
> change in the log book and fly off a probationary period.
> Personally I would not sell the HKS with the plane, by all
> means put it on the plane that you want to keep. Three
> gallons per hour, increase in speed, range and quiet. Put a
> two blade warp on it however. I ruined one of the three
> blade IVO trying to put enough twist in it to get the right
> rpm. Its also very nice not having to mix oil with the gas.
>
>
>
> I personally am not going to send an engine in for a rebuild
> when it is performing as it should. I am willing to take the
> risk. I don't care what the company feels would reduce
> their liability.
>
>
>
> Larry
>
>
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