---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 06/27/16: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:36 AM - HKS engine (Herb) 2. 09:22 AM - Re: HKS engine (Larry Cottrell) 3. 10:28 AM - Re: HKS engine (Herb) 4. 10:53 AM - Re: HKS engine (Richard Girard) 5. 11:09 AM - Re: HKS engine (John Hauck) 6. 12:04 PM - Re: HKS engine (Bill Berle) 7. 02:01 PM - Re: HKS engine (Herb) 8. 02:10 PM - Re: HKS engine (Herb) 9. 05:21 PM - Re: HKS engine (Gary Aman) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:36:54 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: HKS engine From: Herb Larry and anyone else who knows about HKS engines Did an impulse buy a few days ago....Sent deposit...on an Rans S-14...with HKS engine and three blade powefin... Clio,Michigan.... the engine has 80 hours...but in my haste did not get the sn...which could have told me if it is a 500 hour or an 1000 hour engine!! Wondering what the difference could be? Heads ? rings? Valve guides and seals? I thought I could sell the engine for nearly what I have in the whole contraption... or put the engine on a Firestar 1...install a 503 on the Rans...etc....It is fully registered..so not so sure about engine swaps...? Herb ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:22:19 AM PST US From: Larry Cottrell Subject: Re: Kolb-List: HKS engine I can only tell you what I think, not prove. I believe that the extended rebuild time was more through experience with the engines rather than any improvement of them. I know that my rebuild time went up without any one doing any thing to improve them. Jerry @ Greensky could give you the definitive answer, and he is a good guy! I would also think that you would only have to enter the change in the log book and fly off a probationary period. Personally I would not sell the HKS with the plane, by all means put it on the plane that you want to keep. Three gallons per hour, increase in speed, range and quiet. Put a two blade warp on it however. I ruined one of the three blade IVO trying to put enough twist in it to get the right rpm. Its also very nice not having to mix oil with the gas. I personally am not going to send an engine in for a rebuild when it is performing as it should. I am willing to take the risk. I don't care what the company feels would reduce their liability. Larry On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 8:34 AM, Herb wrote: > > Larry and anyone else who knows about HKS engines > > Did an impulse buy a few days ago....Sent deposit...on an Rans > S-14...with HKS engine and three blade powefin... Clio,Michigan.... > > the engine has 80 hours...but in my haste did not get the sn...which > could have told me if it is a 500 hour or an 1000 hour engine!! Wondering > what the difference could be? Heads ? rings? Valve guides and seals? > > I thought I could sell the engine for nearly what I have in the whole > contraption... or put the engine on a Firestar 1...install a 503 on the > Rans...etc....It is fully registered..so not so sure about engine > swaps...? Herb > > -- *The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of others.* *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.* ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:28:16 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: HKS engine From: Herb Thanks Larry I will put some hours on the plane this summer....but likely will continue to look for a Firestar 1.... right...the engine is a keeper.... and as I said...that is why I bought the plane... Now to get it from Michigan to South Cent. Ky... Spending the day replacing rotors,calipers and pads on rear of my Jeep Grand Cherokee..next onto the trailer to grease bearings, fix wiring and replace two of the 4 tires... always something!! Herb On 06/27/2016 11:20 AM, Larry Cottrell wrote: > I can only tell you what I think, not prove. I believe that the > extended rebuild time was more through experience with the engines > rather than any improvement of them. I know that my rebuild time went > up without any one doing any thing to improve them. Jerry @ Greensky > could give you the definitive answer, and he is a good guy! > > I would also think that you would only have to enter the change in the > log book and fly off a probationary period. Personally I would not > sell the HKS with the plane, by all means put it on the plane that you > want to keep. Three gallons per hour, increase in speed, range and > quiet. Put a two blade warp on it however. I ruined one of the three > blade IVO trying to put enough twist in it to get the right rpm. Its > also very nice not having to mix oil with the gas. > > I personally am not going to send an engine in for a rebuild when it > is performing as it should. I am willing to take the risk. I don't > care what the company feels would reduce their liability. > > Larry > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:53:26 AM PST US From: Richard Girard Subject: Re: Kolb-List: HKS engine Herb, One thing you can check is to see if the carbs have been changed to have the needle clip in the fourth (top) groove. While it won't guarantee that the engine is a 1000 hr TBO engine, it's a good indication. Now, while you have the needle out, move the clip to the second groove to stop wasting fuel. The rationale for richening up the midrange is to protect the exhaust valve guide. A bit like shooting yourself in the foot to see if your pistol is properly sighted in. Leaning out the mixture in the midrange lowers EGT and improves fuel economy by about a gallon per hour. To protect the valve guide I premix MMO at one and a half oz. per gallon. Over 300 hours on my engine and no sign of problems. Note that the full throttle mixture is not changed by doing this. You also might want to look at the throttle linkage. The HKS comes with motorcycle style cable throttles, i.e. if the cable breaks the carb goes to idle. Rotax has the linkage parts (or the Bing Agency in Council Groves, KS) to change it over to an aircraft style cable where the throttle goes to full if the cable breaks, instead. Last, to protect the gear box, always cool the engine to below 250 degrees before shut down. It's a really great engine. Rick Girard On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 12:25 PM, Herb wrote: > > Thanks Larry > > I will put some hours on the plane this summer....but likely will > continue to look for a Firestar 1.... > > right...the engine is a keeper.... and as I said...that is why I bough t > the plane... > > Now to get it from Michigan to South Cent. Ky... > > Spending the day replacing rotors,calipers and pads on rear of my Jeep > Grand Cherokee..next onto the trailer to grease bearings, fix wiring and > replace two of the 4 tires... > > always something!! Herb > > On 06/27/2016 11:20 AM, Larry Cottrell wrote: > >> I can only tell you what I think, not prove. I believe that the extended >> rebuild time was more through experience with the engines rather than an y >> improvement of them. I know that my rebuild time went up without any one >> doing any thing to improve them. Jerry @ Greensky could give you the >> definitive answer, and he is a good guy! >> >> I would also think that you would only have to enter the change in the >> log book and fly off a probationary period. Personally I would not sell the >> HKS with the plane, by all means put it on the plane that you want to ke ep. >> Three gallons per hour, increase in speed, range and quiet. Put a two bl ade >> warp on it however. I ruined one of the three blade IVO trying to put >> enough twist in it to get the right rpm. Its also very nice not having t o >> mix oil with the gas. >> >> I personally am not going to send an engine in for a rebuild when it is >> performing as it should. I am willing to take the risk. I don't care wha t >> the company feels would reduce their liability. >> >> Larry >> >> > =========== =========== =========== =========== =========== > > -- =9CBlessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light.=9D Groucho Marx ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:09:53 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: HKS engine Fill it up with gas, climb in, point the nose towards Kentucky, and fly it home. Airplanes are made to fly, not ride around on a trailer. ;-) john h mkIII Titus, Alabama -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herb Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 12:26 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: HKS engine Thanks Larry I will put some hours on the plane this summer....but likely will continue to look for a Firestar 1.... right...the engine is a keeper.... and as I said...that is why I bought the plane... Now to get it from Michigan to South Cent. Ky... Spending the day replacing rotors,calipers and pads on rear of my Jeep Grand Cherokee..next onto the trailer to grease bearings, fix wiring and replace two of the 4 tires... always something!! Herb ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:04:29 PM PST US From: Bill Berle Subject: Re: Kolb-List: HKS engine THANK YOU Rick, I am very appreciative to hear about any experience and knowledge pertaining to the HKS. I bought a used HKS 700e for my Firestar project. I may even buy a flying Firestar (want to fly STOL sooner!!!) and the HKS would be put on that if I got it. As I have mentioned previously, the stakes for engine reliability are higher i the area where I will be operating this aircraft than most other Firestar owners. Bill Berle www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 6/27/16, Richard Girard wrote: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: HKS engine To: "kolb-list@matronics.com" Date: Monday, June 27, 2016, 10:52 AM Herb, One thing you can check is to see if the carbs have been changed to have the needle clip in the fourth (top) groove. While it won't guarantee that the engine is a 1000 hr TBO engine, it's a good indication. Now, while you have the needle out, move the clip to the second groove to stop wasting fuel. The rationale for richening up the midrange is to protect the exhaust valve guide. A bit like shooting yourself in the foot to see if your pistol is properly sighted in. Leaning out the mixture in the midrange lowers EGT and improves fuel economy by about a gallon per hour. To protect the valve guide I premix MMO at one and a half oz. per gallon. Over 300 hours on my engine and no sign of problems. Note that the full throttle mixture is not changed by doing this.You also might want to look at the throttle linkage. The HKS comes with motorcycle style cable throttles, i.e. if the cable breaks the carb goes to idle. Rotax has the linkage parts (or the Bing Agency in Council Groves, KS) to change it over to an aircraft style cable where the throttle goes to full if the cable breaks, instead.Last, to protect the gear box, always cool the engine to below 250 degrees before shut down.It's a really great engine. Rick Girard On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 12:25 PM, Herb wrote: Herb Thanks Larry I will put some hours on the plane this summer....but likely will continue to look for a Firestar 1.... right...the engine is a keeper.... and as I said...that is why I bought the plane... Now to get it from Michigan to South Cent. Ky... Spending the day replacing rotors,calipers and pads on rear of my Jeep Grand Cherokee..next onto the trailer to grease bearings, fix wiring and replace two of the 4 tires... always something!! Herb On 06/27/2016 11:20 AM, Larry Cottrell wrote: I can only tell you what I think, not prove. I believe that the extended rebuild time was more through experience with the engines rather than any improvement of them. I know that my rebuild time went up without any one doing any thing to improve them. Jerry @ Greensky could give you the definitive answer, and he is a good guy! I would also think that you would only have to enter the change in the log book and fly off a probationary period. Personally I would not sell the HKS with the plane, by all means put it on the plane that you want to keep. Three gallons per hour, increase in speed, range and quiet. Put a two blade warp on it however. I ruined one of the three blade IVO trying to put enough twist in it to get the right rpm. Its also very nice not having to mix oil with the gas. I personally am not going to send an engine in for a rebuild when it is performing as it should. I am willing to take the risk. I don't care what the company feels would reduce their liability. Larry ========== -List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List ========== FORUMS - eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com ========== WIKI - errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com ========== b Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== -- Blessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light. Groucho Marx ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:01:54 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: HKS engine From: Herb Good info...I will save all the comments in a word file... There may be an HKS group at yahoo ? Herb On 06/27/2016 12:52 PM, Richard Girard wrote: > Herb, One thing you can check is to see if the carbs have been changed > to have the needle clip in the fourth (top) groove. While it won't > guarantee that the engine is a 1000 hr TBO engine, it's a good > indication. Now, while you have the needle out, move the clip to the > second groove to stop wasting fuel. The rationale for richening up the > midrange is to protect the exhaust valve guide. A bit like shooting > yourself in the foot to see if your pistol is properly sighted in. > Leaning out the mixture in the midrange lowers EGT and improves fuel > economy by about a gallon per hour. To protect the valve guide I > premix MMO at one and a half oz. per gallon. Over 300 hours on my > engine and no sign of problems. Note that the full throttle mixture is > not changed by doing this. > You also might want to look at the throttle linkage. The HKS comes > with motorcycle style cable throttles, i.e. if the cable breaks the > carb goes to idle. Rotax has the linkage parts (or the Bing Agency in > Council Groves, KS) to change it over to an aircraft style cable where > the throttle goes to full if the cable breaks, instead. > Last, to protect the gear box, always cool the engine to below 250 > degrees before shut down. > It's a really great engine. > > Rick Girard > > > On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 12:25 PM, Herb > wrote: > > > > > Thanks Larry > > I will put some hours on the plane this summer....but likely > will continue to look for a Firestar 1.... > > right...the engine is a keeper.... and as I said...that is why > I bought the plane... > > Now to get it from Michigan to South Cent. Ky... > > Spending the day replacing rotors,calipers and pads on rear of my > Jeep Grand Cherokee..next onto the trailer to grease bearings, fix > wiring and replace two of the 4 tires... > > always something!! Herb > > On 06/27/2016 11:20 AM, Larry Cottrell wrote: > > I can only tell you what I think, not prove. I believe that > the extended rebuild time was more through experience with the > engines rather than any improvement of them. I know that my > rebuild time went up without any one doing any thing to > improve them. Jerry @ Greensky could give you the definitive > answer, and he is a good guy! > > I would also think that you would only have to enter the > change in the log book and fly off a probationary period. > Personally I would not sell the HKS with the plane, by all > means put it on the plane that you want to keep. Three gallons > per hour, increase in speed, range and quiet. Put a two blade > warp on it however. I ruined one of the three blade IVO trying > to put enough twist in it to get the right rpm. Its also very > nice not having to mix oil with the gas. > > I personally am not going to send an engine in for a rebuild > when it is performing as it should. I am willing to take the > risk. I don't care what the company feels would reduce their > liability. > > Larry > > > ========== > -List" rel="noreferrer" > target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > ========== > FORUMS - > eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > WIKI - > errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com > ========== > b Site - > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > -- > > > Blessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light. Groucho > Marx > > -- "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies give way to tyranny." Aristotle ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:10:09 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: HKS engine From: Herb With all of the preparation for the trip...it would be a lot more simple to do just that.....however....zero time in type...not going to fly anywhere but the circuit at the local airport for couple of hours... The wing tanks are large...9.5 gals each? That would be close to a non stop ride... ? got me thinking however!! hmmm.... On 06/27/2016 01:09 PM, John Hauck wrote: > > Fill it up with gas, climb in, point the nose towards Kentucky, and fly it home. > > Airplanes are made to fly, not ride around on a trailer. ;-) > > john h > mkIII > Titus, Alabama > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:21:12 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: HKS engine From: Gary Aman We have only one HKS in our group so our experience is limited. MMO is probably a good idea. I think one carb would be another one. The pulse pump (factory) is uncheap!! It also won't supply the engine at high power settings. An aux pump is a necessity. Our egt's went up as it leaned, but it has been a solid performer Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 27, 2016, at 3:03 PM, Bill Berle wrote: > > > THANK YOU Rick, I am very appreciative to hear about any experience and knowledge pertaining to the HKS. > > I bought a used HKS 700e for my Firestar project. I may even buy a flying Firestar (want to fly STOL sooner!!!) and the HKS would be put on that if I got it. > > As I have mentioned previously, the stakes for engine reliability are higher i the area where I will be operating this aircraft than most other Firestar owners. > > > Bill Berle > www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft > www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities > > -------------------------------------------- > On Mon, 6/27/16, Richard Girard wrote: > > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: HKS engine > To: "kolb-list@matronics.com" > Date: Monday, June 27, 2016, 10:52 AM > > Herb, One thing you > can check is to see if the carbs have been changed to have > the needle clip in the fourth (top) groove. While it > won't guarantee that the engine is a 1000 hr TBO engine, > it's a good indication. Now, while you have the needle > out, move the clip to the second groove to stop wasting > fuel. The rationale for richening up the midrange is to > protect the exhaust valve guide. A bit like shooting > yourself in the foot to see if your pistol is properly > sighted in. Leaning out the mixture in the midrange lowers > EGT and improves fuel economy by about a gallon per hour. To > protect the valve guide I premix MMO at one and a half oz. > per gallon. Over 300 hours on my engine and no sign of > problems. Note that the full throttle mixture is not changed > by doing this.You also might want to look at the > throttle linkage. The HKS comes with motorcycle style cable > throttles, i.e. if the cable breaks the carb goes to idle. > Rotax has the linkage parts (or the Bing Agency in Council > Groves, KS) to change it over to an aircraft style cable > where the throttle goes to full if the cable breaks, > instead.Last, to protect the gear box, always > cool the engine to below 250 degrees before shut > down.It's a really great engine. > Rick Girard > > On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 > at 12:25 PM, Herb > wrote: > Herb > > > > Thanks Larry > > > > I will put some hours on the plane this summer....but > likely will continue to look for a Firestar 1.... > > > > right...the engine is a keeper.... and as I said...that > is why I bought the plane... > > > > Now to get it from Michigan to South Cent. Ky... > > > > Spending the day replacing rotors,calipers and pads on rear > of my Jeep Grand Cherokee..next onto the trailer to grease > bearings, fix wiring and replace two of the 4 tires... > > > > always something!! Herb > > > > On 06/27/2016 11:20 AM, Larry Cottrell wrote: > > > I can only tell you what I think, not prove. I believe that > the extended rebuild time was more through experience with > the engines rather than any improvement of them. I know that > my rebuild time went up without any one doing any thing to > improve them. Jerry @ Greensky could give you the definitive > answer, and he is a good guy! > > > > I would also think that you would only have to enter the > change in the log book and fly off a probationary period. > Personally I would not sell the HKS with the plane, by all > means put it on the plane that you want to keep. Three > gallons per hour, increase in speed, range and quiet. Put a > two blade warp on it however. I ruined one of the three > blade IVO trying to put enough twist in it to get the right > rpm. Its also very nice not having to mix oil with the gas. > > > > I personally am not going to send an engine in for a rebuild > when it is performing as it should. I am willing to take the > risk. I don't care what the company feels would reduce > their liability. > > > > Larry > > > > > > > > > ========== > > -List" rel="noreferrer" > target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > > ========== > > FORUMS - > > eferrer" > target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com > > ========== > > WIKI - > > errer" > target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com > > ========== > > b Site - > > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > > rel="noreferrer" > target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > ========== > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Blessed > are the cracked, for they shall let in the light. 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