---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 07/27/16: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 09:35 AM - Oshkosh?? (al bumhoffer) 2. 01:59 PM - Regulator/Rectifier (Larry Cottrell) 3. 02:07 PM - Fw: Regulator/Rectifier (Larry Cottrell) 4. 02:48 PM - Re: Regulator/Rectifier (Larry Cottrell) 5. 05:17 PM - Re: Fw: Regulator/Rectifier (Herb) 6. 06:11 PM - Re: Fw: Regulator/Rectifier (Larry Cottrell) 7. 06:50 PM - Re: Fw: Regulator/Rectifier (Herb) 8. 11:28 PM - Wish me luck.... (Bill Berle) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 09:35:35 AM PST US From: al bumhoffer Subject: Kolb-List: Oshkosh?? Any photos or videos from the ultralight area from those able to make it to Oshkosh? Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:59:28 PM PST US From: Larry Cottrell Subject: Kolb-List: Regulator/Rectifier My new regulator came today for the HKS. You may remember the difficulties that I have had with RPM's showing on my EIS and my low battery alarm on my last video. The RPM stuff happened late last fall, when I wasn't flying all that much due to the weather. I just assumed that it was quirky by nature and bought a Tiny tach so that I would have some idea of what I was doing. I kept a battery tender on the battery all last year through the cold part and never flew all that long of a time when I did fly. So since my alarm was set at 10 Volts, I never saw any indication other than my RPM's that I had a problem, since I wasn't flying long enough duration to run the battery down to the alarm setting. I had talked a bit with Grand Rapids Tech about the RPM issue, and was told that the r/rect. on the HKS did not charge if the battery was up to full charge. Having that in mind I took the battery tender off this spring when the cold weather quit, hoping that the RPM;s would show up again if the battery wasn't topped off. Nope! So the long flights looking for my errant bird finally ran the battery down to alarm stage. Now I will confess, I do not see myself as a mechanic. In fact if I happen to get grease on my hands, I consider the whole day to be a loss. So me not tumbling to the fact that I had a problem was not a surprise. I managed to get the new one in place. Larry -- *The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of others.* *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.* ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:07:09 PM PST US From: Larry Cottrell Subject: Kolb-List: Fwd: Regulator/Rectifier My new regulator came today for the HKS. You may remember the difficulties that I have had with RPM's showing on my EIS and my low battery alarm on my last video. The RPM stuff happened late last fall, when I wasn't flying all that much due to the weather. I just assumed that it was quirky by nature and bought a Tiny tach so that I would have some idea of what I was doing. I kept a battery tender on the battery all last year through the cold part and never flew all that long of a time when I did fly. So since my alarm was set at 10 Volts, I never saw any indication other than my RPM's that I had a problem, since I wasn't flying long enough duration to run the battery down to the alarm setting. I had talked a bit with Grand Rapids Tech about the RPM issue, and was told that the r/rect. on the HKS did not charge if the battery was up to full charge. Having that in mind I took the battery tender off this spring when the cold weather quit, hoping that the RPM;s would show up again if the battery wasn't topped off. Nope! So the long flights looking for my errant bird finally ran the battery down to alarm stage. Now I will confess, I do not see myself as a mechanic. In fact if I happen to get grease on my hands, I consider the whole day to be a loss. So me not tumbling to the fact that I had a problem was not a surprise. I managed to get the new one in place. Larry -- *The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of others.* *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.* -- *The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of others.* *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.* ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:48:35 PM PST US From: Larry Cottrell Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Regulator/Rectifier I'm not sure what is going on. I tried to send the first one with the unfortunately bigger size pictures. ( I reduced them to 1500 which is the size that I normally do)I got a notice that the file size was too big and therefore not posted. I reduced even further and resent it. Then I get both of them as sent. So sorry for the confusion. Larry ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:17:14 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fwd: Regulator/Rectifier From: Herb New regulator Worked? The tach is driven by one of the three white wires..(three Phase) coming from the stator to the rectifier . so if that particular wire is broken, or heaven forbid a winding in the stator is bad...then that would show no rpms..certainly... some three phase regulators should charge with just two phases since all three wires go to three separate diodes first of all..and you get a high dc which is regulated to 13 to 14 volts.. With the engine running..an Ac volt meter connected to ground and each wire should show 40 to 50 volts ac...or an ac reading across any two of the three..measure all 6 possibilities... Doesn't sound like the Voltage reg?? The EIs box should show battery voltage on a certain screen...Herb 07/27/2016 04:06 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote: > > > My new regulator came today for the HKS. > > You may remember the difficulties that I have had with RPM's showing > on my EIS and my low battery alarm on my last video. The RPM stuff > happened late last fall, when I wasn't flying all that much due to the > weather. I just assumed that it was quirky by nature and bought a Tiny > tach so that I would have some idea of what I was doing. I kept a > battery tender on the battery all last year through the cold part and > never flew all that long of a time when I did fly. So since my alarm > was set at 10 Volts, I never saw any indication other than my RPM's > that I had a problem, since I wasn't flying long enough duration to > run the battery down to the alarm setting. > > I had talked a bit with Grand Rapids Tech about the RPM issue, and was > told that the r/rect. on the HKS did not charge if the battery was up > to full charge. Having that in mind I took the battery tender off this > spring when the cold weather quit, hoping that the RPM;s would show up > again if the battery wasn't topped off. Nope! > > So the long flights looking for my errant bird finally ran the battery > down to alarm stage. Now I will confess, I do not see myself as a > mechanic. In fact if I happen to get grease on my hands, I consider > the whole day to be a loss. So me not tumbling to the fact that I had > a problem was not a surprise. > > I managed to get the new one in place. > > Larry > > > -- > /The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant > of others./ > / > / > /If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email > address before sending./ > > > -- > /The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant > of others./ > / > / > /If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email > address before sending./ -- "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies give way to tyranny." Aristotle ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:11:47 PM PST US From: Larry Cottrell Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fwd: Regulator/Rectifier My information indicated that if the r/r wasn't charging, there would be no RPM's shown. What I was advised to do to get them shown was to put more of a load on the R/R to cause the charging circuit to kick in. It is also my understanding that the things either work or nothing works. There is not supposed to be any middle ground. This one didn't work. One thing I do know is that the other one was not producing any charge, this one is. If the wind dies tonight, I will fly it a bit to see if the RPM's continue to register. If not then I will fly in the morning. Larry On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 6:16 PM, Herb wrote: > New regulator Worked? The tach is driven by one of the three white > wires..(three Phase) coming from the stator to the rectifier . so if > that particular wire is broken, or heaven forbid a winding in the stator is > bad...then that would show no rpms..certainly... some three phase > regulators should charge with just two phases since all three wires go to > three separate diodes first of all..and you get a high dc which is > regulated to 13 to 14 volts.. With the engine running..an Ac volt meter > connected to ground and each wire should show 40 to 50 volts ac...or an ac > reading across any two of the three..measure all 6 possibilities... > > > Doesn't sound like the Voltage reg?? The EIs box should show battery > voltage on a certain screen...Herb > 07/27/2016 04:06 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote: > > > My new regulator came today for the HKS. > > You may remember the difficulties that I have had with RPM's showing on my > EIS and my low battery alarm on my last video. The RPM stuff happened late > last fall, when I wasn't flying all that much due to the weather. I just > assumed that it was quirky by nature and bought a Tiny tach so that I would > have some idea of what I was doing. I kept a battery tender on the battery > all last year through the cold part and never flew all that long of a time > when I did fly. So since my alarm was set at 10 Volts, I never saw any > indication other than my RPM's that I had a problem, since I wasn't flying > long enough duration to run the battery down to the alarm setting. > > I had talked a bit with Grand Rapids Tech about the RPM issue, and was > told that the r/rect. on the HKS did not charge if the battery was up to > full charge. Having that in mind I took the battery tender off this spring > when the cold weather quit, hoping that the RPM;s would show up again if > the battery wasn't topped off. Nope! > > So the long flights looking for my errant bird finally ran the battery > down to alarm stage. Now I will confess, I do not see myself as a mechanic. > In fact if I happen to get grease on my hands, I consider the whole day to > be a loss. So me not tumbling to the fact that I had a problem was not a > surprise. > > I managed to get the new one in place. > > Larry > > > -- > *The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of > others.* > > *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email > address before sending.* > > > -- > *The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of > others.* > > *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email > address before sending.* > > > -- > "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies give way to tyranny." > > Aristotle > > -- *The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of others.* *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.* ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:50:16 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fwd: Regulator/Rectifier From: Herb Interesting ...a lack of ac pulses to the tach circuit in the Eis box..would only be dependent on amplitude...and possibly the diode that sees that white wire in the Reg. could have been shorted which would kill the tach pulses...not an uncommon failure mode... Herb On 07/27/2016 08:10 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote: > My information indicated that if the r/r wasn't charging, there would > be no RPM's shown. What I was advised to do to get them shown was to > put more of a load on the R/R to cause the charging circuit to kick in. > > It is also my understanding that the things either work or nothing > works. There is not supposed to be any middle ground. This one didn't > work. > > One thing I do know is that the other one was not producing any > charge, this one is. If the wind dies tonight, I will fly it a bit to > see if the RPM's continue to register. If not then I will fly in the > morning. > Larry > > On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 6:16 PM, Herb > wrote: > > New regulator Worked? The tach is driven by one of the three > white wires..(three Phase) coming from the stator to the > rectifier . so if that particular wire is broken, or heaven > forbid a winding in the stator is bad...then that would show no > rpms..certainly... some three phase regulators should charge with > just two phases since all three wires go to three separate diodes > first of all..and you get a high dc which is regulated to 13 to 14 > volts.. With the engine running..an Ac volt meter connected to > ground and each wire should show 40 to 50 volts ac...or an ac > reading across any two of the three..measure all 6 possibilities... > > > Doesn't sound like the Voltage reg?? The EIs box should show > battery voltage on a certain screen...Herb > > 07/27/2016 04:06 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote: >> >> >> My new regulator came today for the HKS. >> >> You may remember the difficulties that I have had with RPM's >> showing on my EIS and my low battery alarm on my last video. The >> RPM stuff happened late last fall, when I wasn't flying all that >> much due to the weather. I just assumed that it was quirky by >> nature and bought a Tiny tach so that I would have some idea of >> what I was doing. I kept a battery tender on the battery all last >> year through the cold part and never flew all that long of a time >> when I did fly. So since my alarm was set at 10 Volts, I never >> saw any indication other than my RPM's that I had a problem, >> since I wasn't flying long enough duration to run the battery >> down to the alarm setting. >> >> I had talked a bit with Grand Rapids Tech about the RPM issue, >> and was told that the r/rect. on the HKS did not charge if the >> battery was up to full charge. Having that in mind I took the >> battery tender off this spring when the cold weather quit, hoping >> that the RPM;s would show up again if the battery wasn't topped >> off. Nope! >> >> So the long flights looking for my errant bird finally ran the >> battery down to alarm stage. Now I will confess, I do not see >> myself as a mechanic. In fact if I happen to get grease on my >> hands, I consider the whole day to be a loss. So me not tumbling >> to the fact that I had a problem was not a surprise. >> >> I managed to get the new one in place. >> >> Larry >> >> >> -- >> /The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are >> intolerant of others./ >> / >> / >> /If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my >> email address before sending./ >> >> >> >> -- >> /The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are >> intolerant of others./ >> / >> / >> /If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my >> email address before sending./ > > -- > "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies give way to tyranny." > > Aristotle > > > -- > /The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant > of others./ > / > / > /If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email > address before sending./ -- "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies give way to tyranny." Aristotle ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:28:47 PM PST US From: Bill Berle Subject: Kolb-List: Wish me luck.... Have an opportunity to get a Firestar that is complete and almost flyable this weekend. Wish me luck. Will post photos and details as soon as applicable. Building my Firestar kit at the hangar several evenings per week was causing.... difficulty.... at home, and I made an agreement to put it up on the shelf or sell it, in return for be ing able to get a flying aircraft. So hopefully I can become a "Flying Kolber" sooner than I had anticipated. Would still love to build one, and incorporate the experimental modifications that I had drawn out, but this is an opportunity to get flying faster and not wind up being single. Bill Berle www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.