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1. 05:23 AM - Re: Re: dead battery (Herb)
2. 05:30 AM - Firestar II partial kit (Herb)
3. 06:53 AM - Re: ground aerobatics... (Richard Pike)
4. 10:27 AM - Re: Re: ground aerobatics... (Bill Berle)
5. 10:28 AM - Re: Firestar II partial kit (Bill Berle)
6. 10:54 AM - Re: Re: ground aerobatics... (John Hauck)
7. 11:31 AM - Re: Re: ground aerobatics... (Bill Berle)
8. 12:10 PM - Re: Re: ground aerobatics... (John Hauck)
9. 12:24 PM - Re: Re: ground aerobatics... (Charlie England)
10. 12:41 PM - Re: Re: ground aerobatics... (Larry Cottrell)
11. 01:01 PM - Re: Re: ground aerobatics... (Bill Berle)
12. 01:13 PM - Re: Re: ground aerobatics... (william sullivan)
13. 01:28 PM - Re: Re: ground aerobatics... (K I)
14. 07:30 PM - big? (colin.scott.hudson@gmail.com)
15. 08:29 PM - Re: big? (Richard Pike)
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Subject: | Re: RE: dead battery |
Yep....when I measured the voltage...it was around .6 volts...before I
put a charger on it....so I knew it was dead...lead acid or
Lithium....This particular battery is sold on Ebay and Amazon....160
bucks...there bouts...Labelled "Balistic". An equalizer is available
that plugs into the battery to be used ever so often... Ha!
The ad says that standard charging systems can be used... Herb
On 08/02/2016 10:34 PM, Stuart Harner wrote:
>
> Herb,
>
> If I remember right, a Li battery cannot take being discharged below a
> certain point. Big warnings on my cordless drill about not using it
> until it stops but recharge it as soon as it slows down.
>
> Partial charging and repeated top off charges are fine. Also they
> dont discharge when on the shelf like NiMH and Ni-Cads did.
>
> I would suspect the master switch left on is what killed your battery,
> not your charging of it. On the flip side, I dont think it is wise to
> use a charger designed for a lead-acid battery on an Li battery.
>
> Sorry for your loss, Li is nice until you have to replace it. L
>
> Stuart
>
> *From:*owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Herb
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 02, 2016 7:19 PM
> *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Kolb-List: regulator/Rec
>
> A funny....guy who sold me the airplane(not to be mentioned) forgot
> and left the master sw on....so I took the tiny little battery out of
> its holder...noticing how light and puny it looked...never
> thought...Lithium?? But it was....and I killed it...or maybe it died
> over the couple of days it sat with the master sw on? 160 bucks
> ....ouch!! gonna go with a sealed lead acid and a new, larger
> holder...I am a bit surprised that a standard charging circuit for
> lead acid batteries could reliably and safely charge a Lithium
> product...Must have some electronics built into the battery? Herb
>
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give way to tyranny."
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Subject: | Firestar II partial kit |
Bill
What is missing in that kit?
Herb
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Subject: | Re: ground aerobatics... |
To Ultrastarflyer: I have noticed that you are fairly new to the list, and that
you have several recent double posts - a second identical post a couple minutes
after the first.
This list server is often very slow to update. When you push the "Submit" button,
go get a cup of coffee or find something else to do for a bit. It will eventually
get posted. You don't need to get impatient and submit it again.
Shalom
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Would you consider yourself to be a good person?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWcDXT6pH7A
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Subject: | Re: ground aerobatics... |
What's going on here, Crankpot? Did I take your parking spot at the grocery store,
or did I steal your bike when we were kids or something?
I'd like to understand what has made you irritated enough with me that you go back
over two months (May 6) on this list, and find something that I wrote (in
response to a completely different subject), and then try to lambaste me over
it as if I was spreading false information. FIRST, let's address the inference
that I am spreading false or misleading information, and harming innocent new
pilots in the process:
91.303 may indeed say that "For the purposes of this section, aerobatic flight
means an intentional maneuver involving an abrupt change in an
aircraft's attitude..." and I accept that that definition of aerobatics exists
in the FAR (or 14CFR nowdays).
BUT... as you yourself pointed out... there is also ANOTHER definition of aerobatics
that is directly relevant to what I had mentioned.
Take a look at this description from EAA where they reference the FAR 91.307 aerobatics
https://www.eaa.org/en/eaa/aviation-communities-and-interests/homebuilt-aircraft-and-homebuilt-aircraft-kits/frequently-asked-questions/parachutes-during-aerobatics
I believe you will find that IN ADDITION to the one regulation you are hanging
your argument on, another equally valid regulation mentions parachutes and aerobatics
in reference to the 60 degrees of bank and 30 degrees of pitch that I
had mentioned in my post.
So, here is a way to validate your argument, and perhaps you can make me look like
an idiot in the process... Have 10 instructors read BOTH of the FAR sections
that have been referenced here. The one that says "... abrupt change..." and
the one that says "... a bank exceeding 60 degrees..." Ask these instructors
if they think the FAA considers over 60 degrees of bank an aerobatic maneuver
or not.
If the majority of those instructors say "No, a bank of over 60 degrees or pitch
angle over 30 degrees is not an aerobatic maneuver", then I'm an idiot and my
opinion posted on this list back in May was wrong.
Now, back to the larger problem. Have the guts to explain exactly what it is that
I have done, said, written, or thought that has made you dislike me enough
to have tried to skewer me on this list when I have not done any such thing to
you. Is it the color of my skin, my religion, my politics? Have we met someplace
before and I was a jackass to you? You have every right to like or dislike
me at your discretion, but just as pilots have a responsibility to not spread
BS you have a responsibility to stand behind your statements and/or your dislike
for me.
Bill Berle
Kolb Firestar 2
Cessna 172
Los Angeles
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On Tue, 8/2/16, UltrastarFlyer <Crankpot@gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: ground aerobatics...
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Date: Tuesday, August 2, 2016, 7:26 PM
"UltrastarFlyer" <Crankpot@gmail.com>
Boy here you go again... Not even close.
FAR 91.303
"...For the purposes of this section, aerobatic flight means
an intentional maneuver involving an abrupt change in an
aircraft's attitude, an abnormal attitude, or abnormal
acceleration, not necessary for normal flight."
Maybe you were confused with the FAR that requires
parachutes?
Just because you have a computer doesn't give you the right
to fabricate or worse, misquote regulations. Please consider
there are many new pilots here that are impressionable and
unfortunately might take your nonsense as fact or law.
It's your responsibility to ONLY post fact. If you don't
know then use words like " I think" or "I don't know".
To continue to do otherwise is disingenuous and
irresponsible.
Just sayin...
victorbravo(at)sbcglobal. wrote:
> By normal flight training standards, based on very old
memories, a steep turn is one that uses a bank angle
45 degrees or higher. 60 degrees is considered the "steep
turn" benchmark when you do FAA private pilot training (at
least it was in the 1970's when we had real pilot
training).
>
>
>
>
> The FAA definition of "Aerobatics" is an excursion from
level flight of more than 30 degrees of pitch and 60 degrees
of bank. But "aerobatic" maneuvers can easily be done that
exceed these numbers without putting any abnormal stress or
loads on the airplane... and are in reality not "dangerous"
in any way. What gets dangerous is when the pilot misjudges
or mishandles the recovery from these maneuvers, and can
easily accidentally exceed the speed or G load limits that
the airframe can handle. THAT is the dangerous part, and
THAT is why any pilot with a brain in his head will get
aerobatic or "upset recovery" training before playing around
with these kinds of maneuvers.
>
> The Kolb was of course not designed for aerobatics. It
does not make any sense to do intentional aerobatics in a
Kolb. As mentioned by others, if you are going to go out and
do hard aerobatics on purpose then go rent a Citabria.
>
> Bill Berle
> www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance
upgrade for light aircraft
> www.grantstar.net - winning
proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Fri, 5/6/16, flywithme wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: ground aerobatics...
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Date: Friday, May 6, 2016, 9:48 AM
>
>
> "flywithme"
>
> i see in some posts reference to the first pilot
making a
> steep banking turn as being a dangerous maneuver
in a kolb.
> is this really such a dangerous maneuver
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=455928#455928
>
>
>
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> Dralle, List Admin.
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Cuyuna ULII-02
Ultraprop
252 lbs
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Subject: | Re: Firestar II partial kit |
Herb <Herbgh@nctc.com>
Bill
What is missing in that kit?
Herb
Here is the link to the full listing and photos:
http://www.homebuiltairplanes.com/forums/sale-wanted/25677-kolb-firestar-2-airframe-kit.html
Bill Berle
www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities
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On Wed, 8/3/16, Herb <Herbgh@nctc.com> wrote:
Subject: Kolb-List: Firestar II partial kit
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Date: Wednesday, August 3, 2016, 5:30 AM
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feminine democracies give way to tyranny."
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Subject: | Re: ground aerobatics... |
Why don't you two take your differences back copy. I'm not interested and pretty
sure no one else is. If there are those on the List that are interested, they
can join you all back copy also.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Berle
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: ground aerobatics...
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On Tue, 8/2/16, UltrastarFlyer <Crankpot@gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: ground aerobatics...
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Date: Tuesday, August 2, 2016, 7:26 PM
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Subject: | Re: ground aerobatics... |
John H and Kolbers, I have no quarrel or difference with this person. Don't even
know how he is. I have no idea what I did that made him upset, and I will apologize
if I owe one. But instead of offline or back copy, he more or less called
my integrity into question here on the main list. The only thing I have done
is address his challenges directly, and to be honest I used some amount of
restraint.
1) Perhaps the Kolb list participants who have read both of these exchanges between
he and I can comment on whether they think my responses have been appropriate
or not, and whether it is Crankpot or myself that needs some more dual instruction.
2) If the members of this list and/or the forum administrator feel that Crankpot
was within his rights and privileges to fire a shot across my bow, but I am
not within my rights or privileges to fire back, then let me know that too, and
I will "govern myself accordingly" to quote another famous aviation internet
forum.
Bill Berle
www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities
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On Wed, 8/3/16, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: ground aerobatics...
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Date: Wednesday, August 3, 2016, 10:53 AM
"John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Why don't you two take your differences back copy. I'm
not interested and pretty sure no one else is. If
there are those on the List that are interested, they can
join you all back copy also.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]
On Behalf Of Bill Berle
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 12:24 PM
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: ground aerobatics...
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On Tue, 8/2/16, UltrastarFlyer <Crankpot@gmail.com>
wrote:
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: ground aerobatics...
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Date: Tuesday, August 2, 2016, 7:26 PM
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Subject: | Re: ground aerobatics... |
Why don't you knock this crap off.
I am respectfully asking you and your buddy to play this game somewhere else besides
the Kolb List.
I'm too old to waste my time deleting this crap.
I may be the only one that does not appreciate the conflict between you two, but
I am expressing my request.
This is a List for building and flying Kolb aircraft. This is not the place to
settle pissing contests.
john h - Never gotten above the rank of member in 18.5 years. Wonder why?
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
1) Perhaps the Kolb list participants who have read both of these exchanges between
he and I can comment on whether they think my responses have been appropriate
or not, and whether it is Crankpot or myself that needs some more dual instruction.
2) If the members of this list and/or the forum administrator feel that Crankpot
was within his rights and privileges to fire a shot across my bow, but I am
not within my rights or privileges to fire back, then let me know that too, and
I will "govern myself accordingly" to quote another famous aviation internet
forum.
Bill Berle
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Subject: | Re: ground aerobatics... |
Well, to start, you could set a good example by voicing your complaints
privately to both individuals, instead of posting it to the entire list. ;-)
This is a more or less open list. If you don't like an open format, you
could start a closed, censored forum like those of us who fly RV's are
forced to live with on VAF. While you might prefer that format, those of
us who enjoy thinking for ourselves and being able to speak our thoughts
prefer the more open format we have here.
Bill,
I can totally understand & support your need to respond to Crankpot, but
I'm reminded of the old saw about getting in the mud with a pig.
Charlie
On 8/3/2016 2:09 PM, John Hauck wrote:
>
> Why don't you knock this crap off.
>
> I am respectfully asking you and your buddy to play this game somewhere else
besides the Kolb List.
>
> I'm too old to waste my time deleting this crap.
>
> I may be the only one that does not appreciate the conflict between you two,
but I am expressing my request.
>
> This is a List for building and flying Kolb aircraft. This is not the place
to settle pissing contests.
>
> john h - Never gotten above the rank of member in 18.5 years. Wonder why?
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
>
>
>
>
>
> 1) Perhaps the Kolb list participants who have read both of these exchanges between
he and I can comment on whether they think my responses have been appropriate
or not, and whether it is Crankpot or myself that needs some more dual
instruction.
>
> 2) If the members of this list and/or the forum administrator feel that Crankpot
was within his rights and privileges to fire a shot across my bow, but I am
not within my rights or privileges to fire back, then let me know that too,
and I will "govern myself accordingly" to quote another famous aviation internet
forum.
>
> Bill Berle
>
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Subject: | Re: ground aerobatics... |
I second that emotion, all in favor- say aye!
Larry
On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 1:09 PM, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
>
> Why don't you knock this crap off.
>
> I am respectfully asking you and your buddy to play this game somewhere
> else besides the Kolb List.
>
> I'm too old to waste my time deleting this crap.
>
> I may be the only one that does not appreciate the conflict between you
> two, but I am expressing my request.
>
> This is a List for building and flying Kolb aircraft. This is not the
> place to settle pissing contests.
>
> john h - Never gotten above the rank of member in 18.5 years. Wonder why?
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
>
>
>
>
> 1) Perhaps the Kolb list participants who have read both of these
> exchanges between he and I can comment on whether they think my responses
> have been appropriate or not, and whether it is Crankpot or myself that
> needs some more dual instruction.
>
> 2) If the members of this list and/or the forum administrator feel that
> Crankpot was within his rights and privileges to fire a shot across my bow,
> but I am not within my rights or privileges to fire back, then let me know
> that too, and I will "govern myself accordingly" to quote another famous
> aviation internet forum.
>
> Bill Berle
>
>
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Subject: | Re: ground aerobatics... |
I have sent an e-mail asking the forum owner/administrator for his opinion on this
apparent conflict. His opinion will carry the most weight with me.
I'm pretty sure that my responses to Crankpot on these two discussion threads were
more restrained than his original posts.
Once again I'll offer an apology to anyone I accidentally offended, although I
don't make a habit of allowing people to poke at me with impunity... especially
when I was not the aggressor in either exchange.
Bill Berle
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On Wed, 8/3/16, Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020@gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: ground aerobatics...
To: "kolb-list@matronics.com" <kolb-list@matronics.com>
Date: Wednesday, August 3, 2016, 12:41 PM
I second that
emotion, all in favor- say aye!Larry
On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at
1:09 PM, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
wrote:
"John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Why don't you knock this crap off.
I am respectfully asking you and your buddy to play this
game somewhere else besides the Kolb List.
I'm too old to waste my time deleting this crap.
I may be the only one that does not appreciate the conflict
between you two, but I am expressing my request.
This is a List for building and flying Kolb aircraft. This
is not the place to settle pissing contests.
john h - Never gotten above the rank of member in 18.5
years. Wonder why?
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
1) Perhaps the Kolb list participants who have read both of
these exchanges between he and I can comment on whether they
think my responses have been appropriate or not, and whether
it is Crankpot or myself that needs some more dual
instruction.
2) If the members of this list and/or the forum
administrator feel that Crankpot was within his rights and
privileges to fire a shot across my bow, but I am not within
my rights or privileges to fire back, then let me know that
too, and I will "govern myself accordingly" to
quote another famous aviation internet forum.
Bill Berle
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Subject: | Re: ground aerobatics... |
For all of the new people on the List, it is customary to delete previous info
from a reply. Leave just enough so that the conversation can be followed.
If you just make a comment without any future research content, please put "do
not archive" in the message, so it doesn't clog the servers.
do not archive
Bill Sullivan
Why don't you knock this crap off.
This is a List for building and flying Kolb aircraft.
This
is not the place to settle pissing contests.
john h - Never gotten above the rank of member in 18.5
years. Wonder why?
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Subject: | Re: ground aerobatics... |
? Aye!
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 3, 2016, at 13:45, Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020@gmail.com<mailto:lc
ottrell1020@gmail.com>> wrote:
I second that emotion, all in favor- say aye!
Larry
On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 1:09 PM, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com<mailto:jha
uck@elmore.rr.com>> wrote:
jhauck@elmore.rr.com>>
Why don't you knock this crap off.
I am respectfully asking you and your buddy to play this game somewhere els
e besides the Kolb List.
I'm too old to waste my time deleting this crap.
I may be the only one that does not appreciate the conflict between you two
, but I am expressing my request.
This is a List for building and flying Kolb aircraft. This is not the plac
e to settle pissing contests.
john h - Never gotten above the rank of member in 18.5 years. Wonder why?
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
to:victorbravo@sbcglobal.net>>
1) Perhaps the Kolb list participants who have read both of these exchanges
between he and I can comment on whether they think my responses have been
appropriate or not, and whether it is Crankpot or myself that needs some mo
re dual instruction.
2) If the members of this list and/or the forum administrator feel that Cra
nkpot was within his rights and privileges to fire a shot across my bow, bu
t I am not within my rights or privileges to fire back, then let me know th
at too, and I will "govern myself accordingly" to quote another famous avia
tion internet forum.
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colin.scott.hudson(at)gma wrote:
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ATTN Matt Dralle: I think this is a phishing post, the link he posted sets off
my Avast! anti virus. Perhaps this thread could be deleted?
Do not archive
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