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1. 04:30 AM - Re: Firestar 1 (racerjerry)
2. 04:39 AM - Re: Re: Firestar 1 (Herb)
3. 04:48 AM - Re: Re: Firestar 1 (Herb)
4. 05:17 AM - Re: Re: Firestar 1 (Herb)
5. 05:18 AM - Kolb MkIII plans... (Herb)
6. 10:31 AM - Re: Re: Used Firestar Checklist now wing root fitting (John Hauck)
7. 12:02 PM - Wing root fitting remedy/beef-up (Bill Berle)
8. 12:33 PM - Re: Wing root fitting remedy/beef-up (Rick Neilsen)
9. 01:33 PM - Re: Wing root fitting remedy/beef-up (Bill Berle)
10. 02:09 PM - oil reservoir (kirk bellard)
11. 02:58 PM - Re: oil reservoir (Richard Pike)
12. 03:09 PM - Re: oil reservoir (kirk bellard)
13. 03:29 PM - Re: Wing root fitting remedy/beef-up (mojavjoe@comcast.net)
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> When did Kolb stop making the Firestar 1
Late 1993 or early 1994
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Jerry King
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Willing that Bryan will build you a Piper Cub if you are willing to put
half down...:-) Herb
On 08/10/2016 06:30 AM, racerjerry wrote:
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>> When did Kolb stop making the Firestar 1
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> Jerry King
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give way to tyranny."
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Willing to bet!! Where is the coffee?? slave!! Herb (don't tell here I
said that!!)
On 08/10/2016 06:39 AM, Herb wrote:
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> Willing that Bryan will build you a Piper Cub if you are willing to
> put half down...:-) Herb
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> On 08/10/2016 06:30 AM, racerjerry wrote:
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>>> When did Kolb stop making the Firestar 1
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>> Late 1993 or early 1994
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>> Jerry King
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>> Read this topic online here:
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Don't tell her....coffee in hand...sane now...!!
While looking for the Firefly plans...I came across a set of MkIII
plans, vintage 1990's handled by Homer or Dennis....worth thousands?
:-) 50 bucks and shipping....off list please...Like new...Herb
On 08/10/2016 06:48 AM, Herb wrote:
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> Willing to bet!! Where is the coffee?? slave!! Herb (don't tell here
> I said that!!)
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> On 08/10/2016 06:39 AM, Herb wrote:
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>> Willing that Bryan will build you a Piper Cub if you are willing to
>> put half down...:-) Herb
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>> On 08/10/2016 06:30 AM, racerjerry wrote:
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>>>> When did Kolb stop making the Firestar 1
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>>> Late 1993 or early 1994
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>>> Jerry King
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>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459419#459419
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give way to tyranny."
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| Subject: | Kolb MkIII plans... |
Hey Dummy change the subject line....!! Herb
On 08/10/2016 07:16 AM, Herb wrote:
> Don't tell her....coffee in hand...sane now...!!
>
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> While looking for the Firefly plans...I came across a set of MkIII
> plans, vintage 1990's handled by Homer or Dennis....worth thousands?
> :-) 50 bucks and shipping....off list please...Like new...Herb
>
>
> On 08/10/2016 06:48 AM, Herb wrote:
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| Subject: | Re: Used Firestar Checklist now wing root fitting |
The drag strut fitting is also used to rig the wings. Sliding the fitting in or
out of the drag strut affects the fore and aft location of the main spar tang.
The space between the fuselage carry through is required to give some "uh
oh" space to work with.
I increased the main spar clevis pin from 5/16 to 3/8 bolts based on increased
loads and stresses from heavy weather and rough landings. Problems I encountered
drilling mounting tabs and main spar tang during rigging required a little
help from a welded .090 4130 plate TIG welded to the rear tab. A proven remedy.
That is the way I did it. Don't recommend anyone else doing the same.
john h
Alamosa, Colorado
Yes, but the rear universal joint should keep the main wing spar fitting at a fixed
fore-aft distance, which should not change other than a few thousandths due
to heat expansion. So there is no scenario where the wing fitting will move
forward or rearward in the fuselage fitting it could be a lot closer without
any chance of having it difficult to put together.
Bill Berle
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| Subject: | Wing root fitting remedy/beef-up |
John H, Thank you for sharing your experiences, and for your explanation of the
rear pivot affecting the forward spar attach. Now I can much better understand
how the hole can get drilled too close to the edge of the forward spar tang.
I also now understand how and why this requires the extra space between front
fitting plates... thank you, this now makes more sense in my thick head !
But why would you recommend that other people not use the welded plate repair or
modification that you used? I understand that when building the airplane you
should adjust the rear fitting location so that it does not cause this problem
at the front, but ASSUMING that someone finds an edge distance problem on an
existing airplane (as I have just found), is there a better method that you would
suggest?
Bill Berle
www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities
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On Wed, 8/10/16, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Used Firestar Checklist now wing root fitting
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Date: Wednesday, August 10, 2016, 10:31 AM
"John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
The drag strut fitting is also used to rig the wings.
Sliding the fitting in or out of the drag strut affects the
fore and aft location of the main spar tang. The space
between the fuselage carry through is required to give some
"uh oh" space to work with.
I increased the main spar clevis pin from 5/16 to 3/8 bolts
based on increased loads and stresses from heavy weather and
rough landings. Problems I encountered drilling
mounting tabs and main spar tang during rigging required a
little help from a welded .090 4130 plate TIG welded to the
rear tab. A proven remedy.
That is the way I did it. Don't recommend anyone else
doing the same.
john h
Alamosa, Colorado
Yes, but the rear universal joint should keep the main wing
spar fitting at a fixed fore-aft distance, which should not
change other than a few thousandths due to heat expansion.
So there is no scenario where the wing fitting will move
forward or rearward in the fuselage fitting it could be a
lot closer without any chance of having it difficult to put
together.
Bill Berle
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| Subject: | Re: Wing root fitting remedy/beef-up |
Bill
John is just doing what many of us do, to cover our ass. I favor the
statement "worth what you paid for it".
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 3:01 PM, Bill Berle <victorbravo@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
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> John H, Thank you for sharing your experiences, and for your explanation
> of the rear pivot affecting the forward spar attach. Now I can much better
> understand how the hole can get drilled too close to the edge of the
> forward spar tang. I also now understand how and why this requires the
> extra space between front fitting plates... thank you, this now makes more
> sense in my thick head !
>
> But why would you recommend that other people not use the welded plate
> repair or modification that you used? I understand that when building the
> airplane you should adjust the rear fitting location so that it does not
> cause this problem at the front, but ASSUMING that someone finds an edge
> distance problem on an existing airplane (as I have just found), is there a
> better method that you would suggest?
>
> Bill Berle
> www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
> www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and
> for-profit entities
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Wed, 8/10/16, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
>
> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Used Firestar Checklist now wing root fitting
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Date: Wednesday, August 10, 2016, 10:31 AM
>
> "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
> The drag strut fitting is also used to rig the wings.
> Sliding the fitting in or out of the drag strut affects the
> fore and aft location of the main spar tang. The space
> between the fuselage carry through is required to give some
> "uh oh" space to work with.
>
> I increased the main spar clevis pin from 5/16 to 3/8 bolts
> based on increased loads and stresses from heavy weather and
> rough landings. Problems I encountered drilling
> mounting tabs and main spar tang during rigging required a
> little help from a welded .090 4130 plate TIG welded to the
> rear tab. A proven remedy.
>
> That is the way I did it. Don't recommend anyone else
> doing the same.
>
> john h
> Alamosa, Colorado
>
>
>
> Yes, but the rear universal joint should keep the main wing
> spar fitting at a fixed fore-aft distance, which should not
> change other than a few thousandths due to heat expansion.
> So there is no scenario where the wing fitting will move
> forward or rearward in the fuselage fitting it could be a
> lot closer without any chance of having it difficult to put
> together.
>
> Bill Berle
>
>
> Forum -
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> Dralle, List Admin.
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| Subject: | Re: Wing root fitting remedy/beef-up |
> Bill
> John is just doing what many of us do, to cover our ass.
OK, got it. I hate to see anyone, much less a US military veteran, being in fear
of saying the wrong thing. We all deserve better. I'm afraid that I have to
side with Shakespeare on the subject of lawyers :)
For whatever it is worth, giving advice that saves lives, or prevents someone from
doing something that could accidentally harm, is worth the risk in aviation.
But to ease any fear that anyone has... the method that was being discussed is
very close or identical to the "acceptable methods and practices" in the FAA AC
43.13 book. This gives people far less to be afraid of when recommending a remedy
or repair.
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how do you guys keep oil from being drawn out through the air vent hole of the
oil reservoir cap? i changed my reservoir from a generic one that leaks to a
new rotax reservoir and cap but the oil still leaks through air vent hole in cap.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459443#459443
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| Subject: | Re: oil reservoir |
kirk bellard wrote:
> how do you guys keep oil from being drawn out through the air vent hole of the
oil reservoir cap? i changed my reservoir from a generic one that leaks to
a new rotax reservoir and cap but the oil still leaks through air vent hole in
cap.
Are you are talking about the reservoir for the crankcase oil on the 532/582 2-stroke
Rotax? Or are you talking about the reservoir that holds several quarts
of oil for the oil injection system?
If you are referring to the small reservoir that holds crankcase oil to lubricate
the rotary valve/water pump - if it is blowing oil, then you have a bad seal
on the crank, and it is letting pressure into the middle of the engine and the
pressure is blowing the oil out.
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Would you consider yourself to be a good person?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWcDXT6pH7A
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| Subject: | Re: oil reservoir |
its the large reservoir for the oil injection system that is leaking. it appears
the wind passing over air vent hole is creating a suction
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| Subject: | Re: Wing root fitting remedy/beef-up |
While rigging my firestar ss with wings from my firestar ii, I could not get the
diagonals from wing tip to tail to match with the right side the shortest. Tried
the same thing with another set of wings, measured the same. Rather than
tearing the wing open and replacing the drag strut end fitting I had Malcome make
me the outer portion of the wing fold universal 3/8" longer than stock. Re-rigged
with new piece on right side, matched diagonals and drilled the new piece.
I'm comfortable with this fix because of the small variance and the strength
of the part.
joe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Berle" <victorbravo@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 4:32:33 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Wing root fitting remedy/beef-up
> Bill
> John is just doing what many of us do, to cover our ass.
OK, got it. I hate to see anyone, much less a US military veteran, being in fear
of saying the wrong thing. We all deserve better. I'm afraid that I have to
side with Shakespeare on the subject of lawyers :)
For whatever it is worth, giving advice that saves lives, or prevents someone from
doing something that could accidentally harm, is worth the risk in aviation.
But to ease any fear that anyone has... the method that was being discussed is
very close or identical to the "acceptable methods and practices" in the FAA AC
43.13 book. This gives people far less to be afraid of when recommending a remedy
or repair.
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