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1. 12:38 AM - Re: HKS Engine Installation (Bill Berle)
2. 01:52 AM - Re: HKS Engine Installation (Richard Girard)
3. 02:05 AM - Re: HKS Engine Installation (Richard Girard)
4. 05:43 AM - Re: HKS Engine Installation (Larry Cottrell)
5. 10:51 AM - Re: HKS Engine Installation (Bill Berle)
6. 12:53 PM - Fw: hks engine mounting (Larry Cottrell)
7. 12:53 PM - Re: HKS Engine Installation (Richard Pike)
8. 12:55 PM - hks engine mounting (Larry Cottrell)
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Subject: | Re: HKS Engine Installation |
Can Larry C, or Rick Girard, or anyone else who has an HKS engine on their Kolb
tell me how they installed it in such a way that the exhaust pipes (where they
come out of the cylinders) clears the aileron torque tubes when you fold or
unfold the wings??
I am in the process of figuring out the engine mounting on my Firestar. There is
a clear and obvious interference, and the only way I can see to completely avoid
this interference is to raise the engine up about 6 inches from where it
would normally sit on the mount plate.
Also, can anyone on the Kolb list tell me if it is possible or permissible to reverse
the cylinders on the HKS, so that the exhaust pipes are on the opposite
side from the gearbox? The cylinders are not identical, meaning that there is
a left and a right cylinder. But IF it is possible to reverse them (move the
right cylinder to the left side of the engine and vice versa), that would also
resolve the interference mentioned above. I know I can contact the engie importer
and ask this, but since I'm sending this to the Kolb list I figured I'd ask
here too.
Bill Berle
www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities
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On Sat, 9/17/16, Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020@gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: Kolb-List: video
To: "kolb-list@matronics.com" <kolb-list@matronics.com>
Date: Saturday, September 17, 2016, 7:08 AM
The group didn't
get enough time to explore Mickey Basin, so we took off
again to do a bit more exploring. The nice part about the
area is that we can land our planes and spend as much time
on foot as we can stand. The area was the site of an early
ranch, and has the remains of a building on it. It was
pretty primitive at best, and I would hope that the
conditions were different from what they are today. I know
for sure that I wouldn't want to live there full time.
The feral horses are attracted to the area because there are
quite a few seeps and springs.
The house wasn't all that big, even when it
was all standing, and was made of native stone and held
together with mud from the lake. The western term for the
place would have been a "Rawhide" outfit. Denoting
that it was held together with hide and scraps. Apparently
baling wire hadn't been invented yet.
https://vimeo.com/183088265
password, owyheeflyer
Larry
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Subject: | Re: HKS Engine Installation |
Bill, I'm attaching the service manual for the HKS. Maybe you can use that
to check about the cylinders. As for raising the engine, had something
similar on the PfH, see photo, didn't work worth a darn on a mk 3X.
Rick
On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 2:34 AM, Bill Berle <victorbravo@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
>
> Can Larry C, or Rick Girard, or anyone else who has an HKS engine on thei
r
> Kolb tell me how they installed it in such a way that the exhaust pipes
> (where they come out of the cylinders) clears the aileron torque tubes wh
en
> you fold or unfold the wings??
>
> I am in the process of figuring out the engine mounting on my Firestar.
> There is a clear and obvious interference, and the only way I can see to
> completely avoid this interference is to raise the engine up about 6 inch
es
> from where it would normally sit on the mount plate.
>
> Also, can anyone on the Kolb list tell me if it is possible or permissibl
e
> to reverse the cylinders on the HKS, so that the exhaust pipes are on the
> opposite side from the gearbox? The cylinders are not identical, meaning
> that there is a left and a right cylinder. But IF it is possible to rever
se
> them (move the right cylinder to the left side of the engine and vice
> versa), that would also resolve the interference mentioned above. I know
I
> can contact the engie importer and ask this, but since I'm sending this t
o
> the Kolb list I figured I'd ask here too.
>
> Bill Berle
> www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
> www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and
> for-profit entities
>
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> On Sat, 9/17/16, Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Subject: Kolb-List: video
> To: "kolb-list@matronics.com" <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Date: Saturday, September 17, 2016, 7:08 AM
>
> The group didn't
> get enough time to explore Mickey Basin, so we took off
> again to do a bit more exploring. The nice part about the
> area is that we can land our planes and spend as much time
> on foot as we can stand. The area was the site of an early
> ranch, and has the remains of a building on it. It was
> pretty primitive at best, and I would hope that the
> conditions were different from what they are today. I know
> for sure that I wouldn't want to live there full time.
> The feral horses are attracted to the area because there are
> quite a few seeps and springs.
> The house wasn't all that big, even when it
> was all standing, and was made of native stone and held
> together with mud from the lake. The western term for the
> place would have been a "Rawhide" outfit. Denoting
> that it was held together with hide and scraps. Apparently
> baling wire hadn't been invented yet.
> https://vimeo.com/183088265
> password, owyheeflyer
> Larry
>
> --
> The
> older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are
> intolerant of others.
> If you forward this email, or any part of
> it, please remove my email address before sending.
>
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Subject: | Re: HKS Engine Installation |
Bill, Did some looking and there's a photo of the engine case on the bottom
of page 25 that shows that the cylinders aren't symmetrical on the mounting
boss. You'd also have to have a new cam ground to get the valve timing
correct.
Rick
On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 3:50 AM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com> wrote
:
> Bill, I'm attaching the service manual for the HKS. Maybe you can use tha
t
> to check about the cylinders. As for raising the engine, had something
> similar on the PfH, see photo, didn't work worth a darn on a mk 3X.
>
> Rick
>
> On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 2:34 AM, Bill Berle <victorbravo@sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Can Larry C, or Rick Girard, or anyone else who has an HKS engine on
>> their Kolb tell me how they installed it in such a way that the exhaust
>> pipes (where they come out of the cylinders) clears the aileron torque
>> tubes when you fold or unfold the wings??
>>
>> I am in the process of figuring out the engine mounting on my Firestar.
>> There is a clear and obvious interference, and the only way I can see to
>> completely avoid this interference is to raise the engine up about 6 inc
hes
>> from where it would normally sit on the mount plate.
>>
>> Also, can anyone on the Kolb list tell me if it is possible or
>> permissible to reverse the cylinders on the HKS, so that the exhaust pip
es
>> are on the opposite side from the gearbox? The cylinders are not identic
al,
>> meaning that there is a left and a right cylinder. But IF it is possible
to
>> reverse them (move the right cylinder to the left side of the engine and
>> vice versa), that would also resolve the interference mentioned above. I
>> know I can contact the engie importer and ask this, but since I'm sendin
g
>> this to the Kolb list I figured I'd ask here too.
>>
>> Bill Berle
>> www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
>> www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and
>> for-profit entities
>>
>> --------------------------------------------
>> On Sat, 9/17/16, Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Subject: Kolb-List: video
>> To: "kolb-list@matronics.com" <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>> Date: Saturday, September 17, 2016, 7:08 AM
>>
>> The group didn't
>> get enough time to explore Mickey Basin, so we took off
>> again to do a bit more exploring. The nice part about the
>> area is that we can land our planes and spend as much time
>> on foot as we can stand. The area was the site of an early
>> ranch, and has the remains of a building on it. It was
>> pretty primitive at best, and I would hope that the
>> conditions were different from what they are today. I know
>> for sure that I wouldn't want to live there full time.
>> The feral horses are attracted to the area because there are
>> quite a few seeps and springs.
>> The house wasn't all that big, even when it
>> was all standing, and was made of native stone and held
>> together with mud from the lake. The western term for the
>> place would have been a "Rawhide" outfit. Denoting
>> that it was held together with hide and scraps. Apparently
>> baling wire hadn't been invented yet.
>> https://vimeo.com/183088265
>> password, owyheeflyer
>> Larry
>>
>> --
>> The
>> older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are
>> intolerant of others.
>> If you forward this email, or any part of
>> it, please remove my email address before sending.
>>
>>
>>
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>
>
> --
> =9CBlessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light.
=9D Groucho Marx
> <http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/43244.Groucho_Marx>
>
>
--
=9CBlessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light.=9D
Groucho Marx
<http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/43244.Groucho_Marx>
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Subject: | Re: HKS Engine Installation |
Mine will clear using the same mounting as for a 503. You just have to hold
the ailerons at a certain attitude when you fold, and that is only on the
right side. There are different exhaust configurations available, none that
I felt moved to explore. You would not like mounting the engine higher than
absolutely necessary.
Larry
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Subject: | Re: HKS Engine Installation |
Thank you Larry, I will try that before I start making any changes or modifications
or work-arounds. I was indeed trying to keep the engine as low as possible,
with the "gearbox low" engine configuration.
It was already obvious to this old washed up model airplane builder that the thrust
line being too high will cause problems with performance and handling ! But
it is good to hear that my own instinct matched the actual real-world experience
of Kolb flyers.
I tried to look up anything in the archives that addressed this problem, and it
seems thata a David Bigelow in hawaii had this same concern on his Firestar.
Bill Berle
www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities
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On Sun, 9/18/16, Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020@gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: HKS Engine Installation
To: "kolb-list@matronics.com" <kolb-list@matronics.com>
Date: Sunday, September 18, 2016, 5:42 AM
Mine
will clear using the same mounting as for a 503. You just
have to hold the ailerons at a certain attitude when you
fold, and that is only on the right side. There are
different exhaust configurations available, none that I felt
moved to explore. You would not like mounting the engine
higher than absolutely necessary.Larry
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Subject: | Fwd: hks engine mounting |
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020@gmail.com>
Subject: hks engine mounting
Bill, Before you have to ask, I thought that I would share with you what I
had to do to make mine work. The original plans and the way that I set mine
up following directions on a mount for a Slingshot are much different than
what I ended up with. Original had the muffler and oil cooler in a line on
top of the wing and in front of the engine. That did not work because all
that stuff blocked the engine head cooling. In fact I obtained after quite
a bit of testing, the alum shrouds that cover the cylinder heads, from
Jerry @Green Sky. I am not sure if there are any available or not but I
have a flattened tracing of what it takes to build them if you need them.
There is no way that I could find that would keep the engine cool enough to
use without them.
I ended up with the oil cooler on the back of the cage, and that has worked
for me. The only thing that would make it any better would be an adjustable
baffle that you could use to open and close for the different outside
temps. I currently use Gorrilla tape.
The only other thing worth mentioning is the flat piece of alum that I
secured to the back of the muffler. That stopped some of the swirling that
we associate with drag, giving me cleaner air to the cylinder heads and
carbs. It also has the additional effect of adding about 7 MPH to the top
speed. I am sure that you could clean up the installation if one actually
thought about where to place every thing before installation rather than as
an afterthought.
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Subject: | Re: HKS Engine Installation |
Not to hijack the thread - but why is that 582 in Rick's picture mounted up so
high? To clear the starter?
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Would you consider yourself to be a good person?
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Subject: | hks engine mounting |
Here are the rest of the pictures. They were all in one message, but the
list refused them, so I have halved them in two messages.
Larry
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