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1. 11:36 AM - Brakes and full enclosure (chris davis)
2. 11:50 AM - Fw: Brakes and full enclosure (chris davis)
3. 12:47 PM - email (chris davis)
4. 05:26 PM - Re: Fw: Brakes and full enclosure (Herb)
5. 05:39 PM - Re: email (Herb)
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Subject: | Brakes and full enclosure |
Kolbers i have a couple questions on a Firefly. I flew my Firestar KXP for
10 years without brakes , had almost no trouble on the field i fly out of "
Chatham Municipal" 3000 ft asphalt with a full length grass field along si
de which i used most of the time but I also went to flyins where there was
a lot of aircraft taking off and landing never had any trouble as long as I
stayed alert and thought ahead! I read most kolb concerned emails on the l
ist and see that most builders go out of there way and risk too much weight
to install brakes =C2-. Are they necessary ?On a FIREFLY?=C2- =C2-
=C2-My next question I prefer a full enclosure and I called Kolb and aske
d for a price on the full enclosure without the lexan as I have a local sup
plier for that the price was $308 ? What is included ?=C2-Looking at the
Plans all I can see is about $30 dollars worth of aluminum and a few bolts
I think I can build it myself . Is there somthing I am missing ? Just hopin
g for some input Chris
Chris Davis
KXP 503 492 hrs
Glider Pilot
Disabled from crash building Firefly
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Subject: | Fw: Brakes and full enclosure |
=C2-Chris Davis
KXP 503 492 hrs
Glider Pilot
Disabled from crash building Firefly
On Friday, October 7, 2016 2:34 PM, chris davis <capedavis@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Kolbers i have a couple questions on a Firefly. I flew my Firestar KXP for
10 years without brakes , had almost no trouble on the field i fly out of
" Chatham Municipal" 3000 ft asphalt with a full length grass field along s
ide which i used most of the time but I also went to flyins where there was
a lot of aircraft taking off and landing never had any trouble as long as
I stayed alert and thought ahead! I read most kolb concerned emails on the
list and see that most builders go out of there way and risk too much weigh
t to install brakes =C2-. Are they necessary ?On a FIREFLY?=C2- =C2-
=C2-My next question I prefer a full enclosure and I called Kolb and aske
d for a price on the full enclosure without the lexan as I have a local sup
plier for that the price was $308 ? What is included ?=C2-Looking at the
Plans all I can see is about $30 dollars worth of aluminum and a few bolts
I think I can build it myself . Is there somthing I am missing ? Just hopin
g for some input Chris
Chris Davis
KXP 503 492 hrs
Glider Pilot
Disabled from crash building Firefly
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Does anybody get this?=C2-Chris Davis
KXP 503 492 hrs
Glider Pilot
Disabled from crash building Firefly
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Subject: | Re: Fw: Brakes and full enclosure |
slow list Chris...
I have installed full enclosures on two Fireflys...I did a gull wing
enclosure on my MkIII..
easy to do...the 1/16 lexan just lays over the nose cone... a 4x4
sheet works...was 35 to 40 bucks here in Tenn.. Lay the paper covered
lexan over the nose cone and rear bow that you have made and do a rough
marking of the size...over sized a bit but to shape ..this makes it easy
to clamp and handle. Once the shape is made then move on to mounting..I
let the Lexan lay over the nose cone by about 1 and one half
inch..enough to allow the rubber seal to clear the front of the cone a
bit... 1/8th inch...will do..
Making the rear bow is not science...just bend it carefully and try
not to go to round such that it is sticking out any further than need
be...Guess your shoulders would dictate the bow size..Oval is
good..toward flat.on the sides.. The top of this bow is braced by
another bow that runs rather horizontal to the cromolly verticals that
attach to the spar carry through..this is attached to the cromolly tubes
with gussets and that tube and rear bow meet and are gusseted to one
another..on the top...
I install a stop screw and decorative washer at about 10 am.. thru
the lexan to the cone..I raise the lexan up to a comfortable entry
position and install that screw...I also note where the lexan is on the
rear bow and install large head rivets from there down to the end of the
bow on that side(left) I install a powder coated white angle aluminum
on the top of the left longeron and fasten it in maybe three or 4 places
then fasten it to the lexan from nose to bow I attach it to the bottom
of the rear bow but not to the nose cone....I use the decorative dimpled
washer and flush screws there...then once the lexan is down on the right
side...I mark the paper covering and install white angle aluminum there
also..from nose cone to bow..At the nose end I install a tapered screw
of my own making I flatten or grind it flat and attach it to the
aluminum angle ..I drill a hole in the nose cone bracket such that the
tapered screw fits snugly and holds a good wrap around the nose cone..
before you do this install the rubber seal on this end of the
lexan..some hold it with silicone but I use the 3m black weather
seal...Trial fit the rubber seal and tape the lexan on both sides so
that the rubber goo that squeezes out of the seal does not get on the
lexan beyond where it is intended to go...I use good auto paint tape
here...Then install the tapered screw on the angle that is attached
same as the angle on the left side...now...make a sliding latch that is
captured by the aluminum bow that the rear of the lexan lays on...you
can make some sort of prop...to hold the lexan open for entry/exit ...i
tended to use my head... naturally the right side angle is only attached
to the lexan... and it is good to make a stop on the sliding latch such
that is cannot rise up the bow..though the slip stream should be fine
for that...
Clear as mud? Herb
my cost is usually the price of the lexan...maybe total of 50 bucks..
oops...brakes...I use mountain bike brakes..they come from the salvage
yard on bicycles ...front only usually...meaning that one side mounts
with cable forward and the other side rearword..
I turn aluminum spindles to mate the disk to the rim..I have good
luck using the two piece spun rims...they are true...
The hard part is mounting the caliper...here you need to make an
aluminum plate that slides over the axle and mounts to the 4 holes in
the large washer that is part of the kolb axle..from here it is a matter
of a spacer,trial and error, to get the disk pad/caliper/disk distance
correct. a cromolly tube that slips over the axle and sets the distance
from disk/rim to caliper... is the spacer..
In the pics..notice that I left too much lexan on the left side..need
only be 1/4 inch below the longeron..
On 10/07/2016 01:49 PM, chris davis wrote:
> Chris Davis
> KXP 503 492 hrs
> Glider Pilot
> Disabled from crash building Firefly
>
>
> On Friday, October 7, 2016 2:34 PM, chris davis <capedavis@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> Kolbers i have a couple questions on a Firefly. I flew my Firestar KXP
> for 10 years without brakes , had almost no trouble on the field i fly
> out of " Chatham Municipal" 3000 ft asphalt with a full length grass
> field along side which i used most of the time but I also went to
> flyins where there was a lot of aircraft taking off and landing never
> had any trouble as long as I stayed alert and thought ahead! I read
> most kolb concerned emails on the list and see that most builders go
> out of there way and risk too much weight to install brakes . Are
> they necessary ?On a FIREFLY?
> My next question I prefer a full enclosure and I called Kolb and
> asked for a price on the full enclosure without the lexan as I have a
> local supplier for that the price was $308 ? What is included ?
> Looking at the Plans all I can see is about $30 dollars worth of
> aluminum and a few bolts I think I can build it myself . Is there
> somthing I am missing ? Just hoping for some input Chris
>
>
> Chris Davis
> KXP 503 492 hrs
> Glider Pilot
> Disabled from crash building Firefly
>
>
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Chris...were you the guy flying the MkIII when Norm Labhart was killed?
Herb
On 10/07/2016 02:46 PM, chris davis wrote:
> Does anybody get this?
> Chris Davis
> KXP 503 492 hrs
> Glider Pilot
> Disabled from crash building Firefly
--
"Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies
give way to tyranny."
Aristotle
"Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and what
does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" who is Stalin
and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's little girl...
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