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1. 06:06 AM - Re: syncro of carbs (racerjerry)
2. 06:07 AM - Re: syncro of carbs (racerjerry)
3. 09:12 AM - Re: syncro of carbs (Richard Pike)
4. 12:43 PM - Re: Fw: Brakes and full enclosure (John Hauck)
5. 12:44 PM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 10/09/16 (B Young)
6. 04:27 PM - More HKS Engine Interference Questions (Bill Berle)
7. 04:49 PM - Re: More HKS Engine Interference Questions (Larry Cottrell)
8. 05:02 PM - Re: More HKS Engine Interference Questions (Stuart Harner)
9. 05:54 PM - Re: Fw: Brakes and full enclosure (Herb)
10. 05:56 PM - Re: Fw: Brakes and full enclosure (Herb)
11. 06:07 PM - Re: Fw: Brakes and full enclosure (Herb)
12. 06:31 PM - Re: More HKS Engine Interference Questions (Larry Cottrell)
13. 11:12 PM - Re: More HKS Engine Interference Questions (Bill Berle)
14. 11:28 PM - Re: More HKS Engine Interference Questions (Bill Berle)
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| Subject: | Re: syncro of carbs |
I think the confusion is that we are not used to looking at a CLOSED SYSTEM.
There is no vent to atmosphere and hoses fit tightly into bottles. If vacuum
on one bottle is greater, fluid will flow into that bottle. If carbs are adjusted
equal, fluid flow between bottles will stop. Fluid level does not matter.
Fluid transferring between bottles means carbs are not balanced.
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Jerry King
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| Subject: | Re: syncro of carbs |
I think the confusion is that we are not used to looking at a CLOSED SYSTEM.
There is no vent to atmosphere and hoses fit tightly into bottles. If vacuum
on one bottle is greater, fluid will flow into that bottle. If carbs are adjusted
equal, fluid flow between bottles will stop. Fluid level does not matter.
Fluid transferring between bottles means carbs are not balanced.
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Jerry King
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| Subject: | Re: syncro of carbs |
racerjerry wrote:
> I think the confusion is that we are not used to looking at a CLOSED SYSTEM.
> There is no vent to atmosphere and hoses fit tightly into bottles. If vacuum
on one bottle is greater, fluid will flow into that bottle. If carbs are adjusted
equal, fluid flow between bottles will stop. Fluid level does not matter.
Fluid transferring between bottles means carbs are not balanced.
Makes perfect sense. Imbalance of vacuum=movement. Lack of movement=balance. Thanks,
got it.
HOWEVER ~ (Much mental activity going on here... sound of gears grinding...) ~
I am thinking that in order to know that your carbs were in fact perfectly balanced,
you would have to balance the carbs, open the system, reconnect the system,
and run the engine again.
Here is why: even in a closed system, the levels of liquid would still seek to
be even with each other, because if one liquid level was higher, it would want
to siphon until both levels were equal, but it can't. If one bottle was higher,
it would want to siphon into the lower, but because the system is closed, it
cannot level itself. However, gravity is still placing an inherent imbalance
on those liquid levels. That gravity imbalance manifests itself as a pressure
differential, and that is what we are measuring when we balance our carbs.
In our situation, if the levels stabilize at an unequal height during adjustment,
I think it is going to preclude getting a perfect carb balance because now
we have to factor in a pressure differential caused by unequal weights of liquid
in the two bottles. Even in a closed system, that pressure differential still
has to be a factor somewhere.
Let's say you start with both bottles level, liquid levels the same, hook it up
and run the engine. Carbs not balanced, siphon occurs and the bottle with the
highest vacuum begins to fill. You adjust the carbs for balance, and siphon/transfer
stops. But if one bottle is now 1/3 full and the other bottle is 2/3's
full, then there is a weight / pressure imbalance which my carb vacuum settings
have to compensate for. One bottle has a much greater weight of liquid, which
is seeking its own level, but my carb setting is preventing that from happening.
Which implies to me that my carb setting cannot be perfectly balanced if
it is compensating for a weight imbalance / pressure differential.
So if I was doing it, at this point I would shut down the engine, disconnect the
tubing, let the liquid siphon/transfer occur until both bottles have level liquid,
then hook the system up again, run the engine, and if the carbs are in
fact balanced, no transfer would occur, and the liquid levels would stay the same.
Then I could quit worrying about it. [Wink]
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Would you consider yourself to be a good person?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWcDXT6pH7A
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| Subject: | Fw: Brakes and full enclosure |
Brakes are good for lots of stuff:
-As Herb mentioned, ground handling, especially in high wind. Also nice
to prevent ground looping in high cross wind conditions.
-Back in the mid 1980s, I landed at Ozark, Alabama, Airport. The gas
pump was downhill from the taxiway. Had to get out of the US and FS
(before I got brakes) and walk the aircraft down to the pump.
-They are also handy for run up and mag check.
Plenty cross wind in Ely, NV. Hard to walk from the truck to McDonalds
for a hamburger. ;-)
john h
mkIII
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herb
Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2016 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fw: Brakes and full enclosure
good for ground handling...mainly...Herb
On 10/08/2016 11:04 AM, chris davis wrote:
Herb Thank u for the very complete answer to my full enclosure question
Im sure I can build it for a lot less than $300 that Kolb asked for it
. Your brakes look great but my question was do I need brakes more on
the Firefly than the Firestar? thank u Chris
Chris Davis
KXP 503 492 hrs
Glider Pilot
Disabled from crash building Firefly
On Friday, October 7, 2016 8:59 PM, Herb <mailto:Herbgh@nctc.com>
<Herbgh@nctc.com> wrote:
slow list Chris...
I have installed full enclosures on two Fireflys...I did a gull wing
enclosure on my MkIII..
easy to do...the 1/16 lexan just lays over the nose cone... a 4x4
sheet works...was 35 to 40 bucks here in Tenn.. Lay the paper covered
lexan over the nose cone and rear bow that you have made and do a rough
marking of the size...over sized a bit but to shape ..this makes it easy
to clamp and handle. Once the shape is made then move on to mounting..I
let the Lexan lay over the nose cone by about 1 and one half
inch..enough to allow the rubber seal to clear the front of the cone a
bit... 1/8th inch...will do..
Making the rear bow is not science...just bend it carefully and try
not to go to round such that it is sticking out any further than need
be...Guess your shoulders would dictate the bow size..Oval is
good..toward flat.on the sides.. The top of this bow is braced by
another bow that runs rather horizontal to the cromolly verticals that
attach to the spar carry through..this is attached to the cromolly tubes
with gussets and that tube and rear bow meet and are gusseted to one
another..on the top...
I install a stop screw and decorative washer at about 10 am.. thru the
lexan to the cone..I raise the lexan up to a comfortable entry position
and install that screw...I also note where the lexan is on the rear bow
and install large head rivets from there down to the end of the bow on
that side(left) I install a powder coated white angle aluminum on the
top of the left longeron and fasten it in maybe three or 4 places then
fasten it to the lexan from nose to bow I attach it to the bottom of the
rear bow but not to the nose cone....I use the decorative dimpled washer
and flush screws there...then once the lexan is down on the right
side...I mark the paper covering and install white angle aluminum there
also..from nose cone to bow..At the nose end I install a tapered screw
of my own making I flatten or grind it flat and attach it to the
aluminum angle ..I drill a hole in the nose cone bracket such that the
tapered screw fits snugly and holds a good wrap around the nose cone..
before you do this install the rubber seal on this end of the
lexan..some hold it with silicone but I use the 3m black weather
seal...Trial fit the rubber seal and tape the lexan on both sides so
that the rubber goo that squeezes out of the seal does not get on the
lexan beyond where it is intended to go...I use good auto paint tape
here...Then install the tapered screw on the angle that is attached
same as the angle on the left side...now...make a sliding latch that is
captured by the aluminum bow that the rear of the lexan lays on...you
can make some sort of prop...to hold the lexan open for entry/exit ...i
tended to use my head... naturally the right side angle is only attached
to the lexan... and it is good to make a stop on the sliding latch such
that is cannot rise up the bow..though the slip stream should be fine
for that...
Clear as mud? Herb
my cost is usually the price of the lexan...maybe total of 50 bucks..
oops...brakes...I use mountain bike brakes..they come from the salvage
yard on bicycles ...front only usually...meaning that one side mounts
with cable forward and the other side rearword..
I turn aluminum spindles to mate the disk to the rim..I have good
luck using the two piece spun rims...they are true...
The hard part is mounting the caliper...here you need to make an
aluminum plate that slides over the axle and mounts to the 4 holes in
the large washer that is part of the kolb axle..from here it is a matter
of a spacer,trial and error, to get the disk pad/caliper/disk distance
correct. a cromolly tube that slips over the axle and sets the distance
from disk/rim to caliper... is the spacer..
In the pics..notice that I left too much lexan on the left side..need
only be 1/4 inch below the longeron..
On 10/07/2016 01:49 PM, chris davis wrote:
Chris Davis
KXP 503 492 hrs
Glider Pilot
Disabled from crash building Firefly
On Friday, October 7, 2016 2:34 PM, chris davis
<mailto:capedavis@yahoo.com> <capedavis@yahoo.com> wrote:
Kolbers i have a couple questions on a Firefly. I flew my Firestar KXP
for 10 years without brakes , had almost no trouble on the field i fly
out of " Chatham Municipal" 3000 ft asphalt with a full length grass
field along side which i used most of the time but I also went to flyins
where there was a lot of aircraft taking off and landing never had any
trouble as long as I stayed alert and thought ahead! I read most kolb
concerned emails on the list and see that most builders go out of there
way and risk too much weight to install brakes . Are they necessary ?On
a FIREFLY?
My next question I prefer a full enclosure and I called Kolb and
asked for a price on the full enclosure without the lexan as I have a
local supplier for that the price was $308 ? What is included ?
Looking at the Plans all I can see is about $30 dollars worth of
aluminum and a few bolts I think I can build it myself . Is there
somthing I am missing ? Just hoping for some input Chris
Chris Davis
KXP 503 492 hrs
Glider Pilot
Disabled from crash building Firefly
--
"Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine
democracies give way to tyranny."
Aristotle
"Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation
and what does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"?
And" who is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's little girl...
--
"Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine
democracies give way to tyranny."
Aristotle
"Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation
and what does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"?
And" who is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's little girl...
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 10/09/16 |
"""Right at the end of the video the man said something that I think is not
accurate;
he said it makes no difference what the comparative level of the liquid is
in the 2 bottles, as long as it is not rising or falling.,.............."""
Boyds response. "I think the statement is ok. I can live with it"
Because both bottles are tied together they will seak the same level
provided the vacuum is the same. But it may take some time to level out.
( the leveling function would be a siphoning action). If the levels
are changing rapidly there would be a big difference in vacuum levels. If
the levels are changing slowly that would indicate a small difference in
vacuum levels... If the levels are the same or different but do not appear
to be changing, that would indicate almost exactly the same vacuum
levels... One to two inches of water column difference is very tiny...
After watching this video , you tube suggested another where they used 4
pressure / vacuums gages. the presenter seemed OK at a one pound
difference between carbs... A one pound difference would be a 27 inch
water column difference...
Setting this will provide a smoother idling engine with less backlash in
the propeller reduction gears . with the levels the same, each piston will
be creating the same power. (Provided all else is equal)
It is probably just as important that the carbs open at the same level at
cruise power setting. As was discussed at length in other videos I watched.
I think you could chase your tail making it perfect,,,,, then tomorrow
with a change in barometric pressure, or , a change in the outside air
temperature, or some other variable factor,,, you could do it all over
again
Kis, keep it simple and go fly!!!
Boyd Young
Master plumber retired,,, Mk lll driver, 900 plus hours, utah
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| Subject: | More HKS Engine Interference Questions |
Hi again Kolb List, I spent several hours out at the hangar trying to figure out
the correct mounting for the HKS engine that will clear the wing parts when
folded. I need an answer to another question from those who have been downt his
road with the HKS.
What is the acceptable height of the propeller shaft / thrust line on the Firestar,
as measured from the Kolb rubber engine mounts, or from the main engine mount
support tube on top of the fuselage ?
I was and I am in 100% agreement with the many Kolb List experienced pilots who
have said that too high of a thrust line causes problems.The lower the thrust
line, the better the airplane flies.
However, even with the aileron torque tubes rotated or moved out of the way during
wing folding, the bottom of the HKS exhaust pipe just under the exhaust port
is in contact with the inboard "root rib" area of the trailing edge.
Moving the engine FORWARD on the fuselage will solve this problem, but the propeller
will hit the bottom of the steel cage just above the tailboom tube.
Raising the engine several inches will also solve this interference problem, but
then the thrust line may become high enough to change how the airplane flies.
So the question is... how high can the propeller thrust line be on a Kolb Firestar
2 without causing a change in the aircraft handling?
Bill Berle
www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities
--------------------------------------------
On Mon, 10/10/16, Richard Pike <thegreybaron@charter.net> wrote:
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: syncro of carbs
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Date: Monday, October 10, 2016, 9:11 AM
"Richard Pike" <thegreybaron@charter.net>
racerjerry wrote:
> I think the confusion is that we are not used to
looking at a CLOSED SYSTEM.
> There is no vent to atmosphere and hoses fit tightly
into bottles.If vacuum on one bottle is
greater, fluid will flow into that bottle. If carbs
are adjusted equal, fluid flow between bottles will
stop. Fluid level does not matter. Fluid
transferring between bottles means carbs are not balanced.
Makes perfect sense. Imbalance of vacuum=movement. Lack of
movement=balance. Thanks, got it.
HOWEVER ~ (Much mental activity going on here... sound
of gears grinding...) ~ I am thinking that in order to know
that your carbs were in fact perfectly balanced, you would
have to balance the carbs, open the system, reconnect the
system, and run the engine again.
Here is why: even in a closed system, the levels of liquid
would still seek to be even with each other, because if one
liquid level was higher, it would want to siphon until both
levels were equal, but it can't. If one bottle was higher,
it would want to siphon into the lower, but because the
system is closed, it cannot level itself. However, gravity
is still placing an inherent imbalance on those liquid
levels. That gravity imbalance manifests itself as a
pressure differential, and that is what we are measuring
when we balance our carbs.
In our situation, if the levels stabilize at an unequal
height during adjustment, I think it is going to preclude
getting a perfect carb balance because now we have to factor
in a pressure differential caused by unequal weights of
liquid in the two bottles. Even in a closed system, that
pressure differential still has to be a factor somewhere.
Let's say you start with both bottles level, liquid levels
the same, hook it up and run the engine. Carbs not balanced,
siphon occurs and the bottle with the highest vacuum begins
to fill. You adjust the carbs for balance, and
siphon/transfer stops. But if one bottle is now 1/3 full and
the other bottle is 2/3's full, then there is a weight /
pressure imbalance which my carb vacuum settings have to
compensate for. One bottle has a much greater weight of
liquid, which is seeking its own level, but my carb setting
is preventing that from happening. Which implies to me that
my carb setting cannot be perfectly balanced if it is
compensating for a weight imbalance / pressure differential.
So if I was doing it, at this point I would shut down the
engine, disconnect the tubing, let the liquid
siphon/transfer occur until both bottles have level liquid,
then hook the system up again, run the engine, and if the
carbs are in fact balanced, no transfer would occur, and the
liquid levels would stay the same.
Then I could quit worrying about it. [Wink]
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Would you consider yourself to be a good person?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWcDXT6pH7A
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: More HKS Engine Interference Questions |
>
> So the question is... how high can the propeller thrust line be on a Kolb
> Firestar 2 without causing a change in the aircraft handling?
> Bill Berle
> --------
>
> Since I am one of the few that have an HKS, I guess that I will have to
tell you again that I have mine with 2 inch risers, swing a 66 inch prop
giving me about 3/4 of an inch clearance.
As to your question about how high- I cannot tell you that as I have not
gone there as of yet. I can tell you that my wings will fold by turning the
ailerons in the extended position when it is folded. I can also tell you
that with the engine set the way that it is, when I give it full throttle
the plane climbs without my influence on the stick. So apparently I have
not raised it too high yet.
I once rode in a Mark three that when full throttle was applied the plane
dived without stick up pressure. It scared me!
Larry
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| Subject: | More HKS Engine Interference Questions |
Just a thought.
Move the engine forward to clear the exhaust. Use a spacer to move the prop backward
enough to clear the rear spar.
Stuart
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Berle
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 6:27 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: More HKS Engine Interference Questions
Hi again Kolb List, I spent several hours out at the hangar trying to figure out
the correct mounting for the HKS engine that will clear the wing parts when
folded. I need an answer to another question from those who have been downt his
road with the HKS.
What is the acceptable height of the propeller shaft / thrust line on the Firestar,
as measured from the Kolb rubber engine mounts, or from the main engine mount
support tube on top of the fuselage ?
I was and I am in 100% agreement with the many Kolb List experienced pilots who
have said that too high of a thrust line causes problems.The lower the thrust
line, the better the airplane flies.
However, even with the aileron torque tubes rotated or moved out of the way during
wing folding, the bottom of the HKS exhaust pipe just under the exhaust port
is in contact with the inboard "root rib" area of the trailing edge.
Moving the engine FORWARD on the fuselage will solve this problem, but the propeller
will hit the bottom of the steel cage just above the tailboom tube.
Raising the engine several inches will also solve this interference problem, but
then the thrust line may become high enough to change how the airplane flies.
So the question is... how high can the propeller thrust line be on a Kolb Firestar
2 without causing a change in the aircraft handling?
Bill Berle
www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities
--------------------------------------------
On Mon, 10/10/16, Richard Pike <thegreybaron@charter.net> wrote:
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: syncro of carbs
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Date: Monday, October 10, 2016, 9:11 AM
"Richard Pike" <thegreybaron@charter.net>
racerjerry wrote:
> I think the confusion is that we are not used to looking at a CLOSED SYSTEM.
> There is no vent to atmosphere and hoses fit tightly into bottles. If vacuum
on one bottle is greater, fluid will flow into that bottle. If carbs are
adjusted equal, fluid flow between bottles will stop. Fluid level does not
matter. Fluid transferring between bottles means carbs are not balanced.
Makes perfect sense. Imbalance of vacuum=movement. Lack of movement=balance.
Thanks, got it.
HOWEVER ~ (Much mental activity going on here... sound of gears grinding...)
~ I am thinking that in order to know that your carbs were in fact perfectly
balanced, you would have to balance the carbs, open the system, reconnect the
system, and run the engine again.
Here is why: even in a closed system, the levels of liquid would still seek to
be even with each other, because if one liquid level was higher, it would want
to siphon until both levels were equal, but it can't. If one bottle was higher,
it would want to siphon into the lower, but because the system is closed,
it cannot level itself. However, gravity is still placing an inherent imbalance
on those liquid levels. That gravity imbalance manifests itself as a
pressure differential, and that is what we are measuring when we balance our
carbs.
In our situation, if the levels stabilize at an unequal height during adjustment,
I think it is going to preclude getting a perfect carb balance because now
we have to factor in a pressure differential caused by unequal weights of
liquid in the two bottles. Even in a closed system, that pressure differential
still has to be a factor somewhere.
Let's say you start with both bottles level, liquid levels the same, hook it
up and run the engine. Carbs not balanced, siphon occurs and the bottle with
the highest vacuum begins to fill. You adjust the carbs for balance, and siphon/transfer
stops. But if one bottle is now 1/3 full and the other bottle is
2/3's full, then there is a weight / pressure imbalance which my carb vacuum
settings have to compensate for. One bottle has a much greater weight of liquid,
which is seeking its own level, but my carb setting is preventing that
from happening. Which implies to me that my carb setting cannot be perfectly
balanced if it is compensating for a weight imbalance / pressure differential.
So if I was doing it, at this point I would shut down the engine, disconnect
the tubing, let the liquid siphon/transfer occur until both bottles have level
liquid, then hook the system up again, run the engine, and if the carbs are
in fact balanced, no transfer would occur, and the liquid levels would stay
the same.
Then I could quit worrying about it. [Wink]
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Would you consider yourself to be a good person?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWcDXT6pH7A
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Brakes and full enclosure |
Yep...groung handling takes many forms...:-) Herb
On 10/10/2016 02:42 PM, John Hauck wrote:
>
> Brakes are good for lots of stuff:
>
> -As Herb mentioned, ground handling, especially in high wind.Also nice
> to prevent ground looping in high cross wind conditions.
>
> -Back in the mid 1980s, I landed at Ozark, Alabama, Airport.The gas
> pump was downhill from the taxiway.Had to get out of the US and FS
> (before I got brakes) and walk the aircraft down to the pump.
>
> -They are also handy for run up and magcheck.
>
> Plenty cross wind in Ely, NV.Hard to walk from the truck to McDonalds
> for a hamburger.;-)
>
> john h
>
> mkIII
>
> *From:*owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Herb
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 08, 2016 11:59 AM
> *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Kolb-List: Fw: Brakes and full enclosure
>
> good for ground handling...mainly...Herb
>
> On 10/08/2016 11:04 AM, chris davis wrote:
>
> Herb Thank u for the very complete answer to my full enclosure
> question Im sure I can build it for a lot less than $300 that
> Kolb asked for it . Your brakes look great but my question was do
> I need brakes more on the Firefly than the Firestar? thank u Chris
>
> Chris Davis
> KXP 503 492 hrs
> Glider Pilot
> Disabled from crash building Firefly
>
> On Friday, October 7, 2016 8:59 PM, Herb <Herbgh@nctc.com>
> <mailto:Herbgh@nctc.com> wrote:
>
> slow list Chris...
>
> I have installed full enclosures on two Fireflys...I did a gull
> wing enclosure on my MkIII..
>
> easy to do...the 1/16 lexan just lays over the nose cone... a
> 4x4 sheet works...was 35 to 40 bucks here in Tenn.. Lay the paper
> covered lexan over the nose cone and rear bow that you have made
> and do a rough marking of the size...over sized a bit but to shape
> ..this makes it easy to clamp and handle. Once the shape is made
> then move on to mounting..I let the Lexan lay over the nose cone
> by about 1 and one half inch..enough to allow the rubber seal to
> clear the front of the cone a bit... 1/8th inch...will do..
>
> Making the rear bow is not science...just bend it carefully and
> try not to go to round such that it is sticking out any further
> than need be...Guess your shoulders would dictate the bow
> size..Oval is good..toward flat.on the sides.. The top of this bow
> is braced by another bow that runs rather horizontal to the
> cromolly verticals that attach to the spar carry through..this is
> attached to the cromolly tubes with gussets and that tube and rear
> bow meet and are gusseted to one another..on the top...
>
> I install a stop screw and decorative washer at about 10 am..
> thru the lexan to the cone..I raise the lexan up to a comfortable
> entry position and install that screw...I also note where the
> lexan is on the rear bow and install large head rivets from there
> down to the end of the bow on that side(left) I install a powder
> coated white angle aluminum on the top of the left longeron and
> fasten it in maybe three or 4 places then fasten it to the lexan
> from nose to bow I attach it to the bottom of the rear bow but not
> to the nose cone....I use the decorative dimpled washer and flush
> screws there...then once the lexan is down on the right side...I
> mark the paper covering and install white angle aluminum there
> also..from nose cone to bow..At the nose end I install a tapered
> screw of my own making I flatten or grind it flat and attach it
> to the aluminum angle ..I drill a hole in the nose cone bracket
> such that the tapered screw fits snugly and holds a good wrap
> around the nose cone.. before you do this install the rubber seal
> on this end of the lexan..some hold it with silicone but I use the
> 3m black weather seal...Trial fit the rubber seal and tape the
> lexan on both sides so that the rubber goo that squeezes out of
> the seal does not get on the lexan beyond where it is intended to
> go...I use good auto paint tape here...Then install the tapered
> screw on the angle that is attached same as the angle on the left
> side...now...make a sliding latch that is captured by the aluminum
> bow that the rear of the lexan lays on...you can make some sort of
> prop...to hold the lexan open for entry/exit ...i tended to use my
> head... naturally the right side angle is only attached to the
> lexan... and it is good to make a stop on the sliding latch such
> that is cannot rise up the bow..though the slip stream should be
> fine for that...
>
> Clear as mud? Herb
>
> my cost is usually the price of the lexan...maybe total of 50 bucks..
>
> oops...brakes...I use mountain bike brakes..they come from the
> salvage yard on bicycles ...front only usually...meaning that one
> side mounts with cable forward and the other side rearword..
>
> I turn aluminum spindles to mate the disk to the rim..I have
> good luck using the two piece spun rims...they are true...
>
> The hard part is mounting the caliper...here you need to make an
> aluminum plate that slides over the axle and mounts to the 4 holes
> in the large washer that is part of the kolb axle..from here it is
> a matter of a spacer,trial and error, to get the disk
> pad/caliper/disk distance correct. a cromolly tube that slips over
> the axle and sets the distance from disk/rim to caliper... is the
> spacer..
>
> In the pics..notice that I left too much lexan on the left
> side..need only be 1/4 inch below the longeron..
>
> On 10/07/2016 01:49 PM, chris davis wrote:
>
> Chris Davis
> KXP 503 492 hrs
> Glider Pilot
> Disabled from crash building Firefly
>
> On Friday, October 7, 2016 2:34 PM, chris davis
> <capedavis@yahoo.com> <mailto:capedavis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Kolbers i have a couple questions on a Firefly. I flew my
> Firestar KXP for 10 years without brakes , had almost no
> trouble on the field i fly out of " Chatham Municipal" 3000 ft
> asphalt with a full length grass field along side which i used
> most of the time but I also went to flyins where there was a
> lot of aircraft taking off and landing never had any trouble
> as long as I stayed alert and thought ahead! I read most kolb
> concerned emails on the list and see that most builders go out
> of there way and risk too much weight to install brakes . Are
> they necessary ?On a FIREFLY?
>
> My next question I prefer a full enclosure and I called Kolb
> and asked for a price on the full enclosure without the lexan
> as I have a local supplier for that the price was $308 ? What
> is included ?
>
> Looking at the Plans all I can see is about $30 dollars worth
> of aluminum and a few bolts I think I can build it myself . Is
> there somthing I am missing ? Just hoping for some input Chris
>
> Chris Davis
> KXP 503 492 hrs
> Glider Pilot
> Disabled from crash building Firefly
>
> --
>
> "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and
> feminine democracies give way to tyranny."
>
> Aristotle
>
> "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a
> reeducation and what does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are
> you unreedemable"? And" who is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark
> Twain's little girl...
>
>
> --
> "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine
> democracies give way to tyranny."
> Aristotle
> "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation
> and what does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you
> unreedemable"? And" who is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's little
> girl...
--
"Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies
give way to tyranny."
Aristotle
"Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and what
does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" who is Stalin
and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter...
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Yep...groung handling takes many forms...:-) Herb
On 10/10/2016 02:42 PM, John Hauck wrote:
>
> Brakes are good for lots of stuff:
>
> -As Herb mentioned, ground handling, especially in high wind.Also nice
> to prevent ground looping in high cross wind conditions.
>
> -Back in the mid 1980s, I landed at Ozark, Alabama, Airport.The gas
> pump was downhill from the taxiway.Had to get out of the US and FS
> (before I got brakes) and walk the aircraft down to the pump.
>
> -They are also handy for run up and magcheck.
>
> Plenty cross wind in Ely, NV.Hard to walk from the truck to McDonalds
> for a hamburger.;-)
>
> john h
>
> mkIII
>
> *From:*owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Herb
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 08, 2016 11:59 AM
> *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Kolb-List: Fw: Brakes and full enclosure
>
> good for ground handling...mainly...Herb
>
> On 10/08/2016 11:04 AM, chris davis wrote:
>
> Herb Thank u for the very complete answer to my full enclosure
> question Im sure I can build it for a lot less than $300 that
> Kolb asked for it . Your brakes look great but my question was do
> I need brakes more on the Firefly than the Firestar? thank u Chris
>
> Chris Davis
> KXP 503 492 hrs
> Glider Pilot
> Disabled from crash building Firefly
>
> On Friday, October 7, 2016 8:59 PM, Herb <Herbgh@nctc.com>
> <mailto:Herbgh@nctc.com> wrote:
>
> slow list Chris...
>
> I have installed full enclosures on two Fireflys...I did a gull
> wing enclosure on my MkIII..
>
> easy to do...the 1/16 lexan just lays over the nose cone... a
> 4x4 sheet works...was 35 to 40 bucks here in Tenn.. Lay the paper
> covered lexan over the nose cone and rear bow that you have made
> and do a rough marking of the size...over sized a bit but to shape
> ..this makes it easy to clamp and handle. Once the shape is made
> then move on to mounting..I let the Lexan lay over the nose cone
> by about 1 and one half inch..enough to allow the rubber seal to
> clear the front of the cone a bit... 1/8th inch...will do..
>
> Making the rear bow is not science...just bend it carefully and
> try not to go to round such that it is sticking out any further
> than need be...Guess your shoulders would dictate the bow
> size..Oval is good..toward flat.on the sides.. The top of this bow
> is braced by another bow that runs rather horizontal to the
> cromolly verticals that attach to the spar carry through..this is
> attached to the cromolly tubes with gussets and that tube and rear
> bow meet and are gusseted to one another..on the top...
>
> I install a stop screw and decorative washer at about 10 am..
> thru the lexan to the cone..I raise the lexan up to a comfortable
> entry position and install that screw...I also note where the
> lexan is on the rear bow and install large head rivets from there
> down to the end of the bow on that side(left) I install a powder
> coated white angle aluminum on the top of the left longeron and
> fasten it in maybe three or 4 places then fasten it to the lexan
> from nose to bow I attach it to the bottom of the rear bow but not
> to the nose cone....I use the decorative dimpled washer and flush
> screws there...then once the lexan is down on the right side...I
> mark the paper covering and install white angle aluminum there
> also..from nose cone to bow..At the nose end I install a tapered
> screw of my own making I flatten or grind it flat and attach it
> to the aluminum angle ..I drill a hole in the nose cone bracket
> such that the tapered screw fits snugly and holds a good wrap
> around the nose cone.. before you do this install the rubber seal
> on this end of the lexan..some hold it with silicone but I use the
> 3m black weather seal...Trial fit the rubber seal and tape the
> lexan on both sides so that the rubber goo that squeezes out of
> the seal does not get on the lexan beyond where it is intended to
> go...I use good auto paint tape here...Then install the tapered
> screw on the angle that is attached same as the angle on the left
> side...now...make a sliding latch that is captured by the aluminum
> bow that the rear of the lexan lays on...you can make some sort of
> prop...to hold the lexan open for entry/exit ...i tended to use my
> head... naturally the right side angle is only attached to the
> lexan... and it is good to make a stop on the sliding latch such
> that is cannot rise up the bow..though the slip stream should be
> fine for that...
>
> Clear as mud? Herb
>
> my cost is usually the price of the lexan...maybe total of 50 bucks..
>
> oops...brakes...I use mountain bike brakes..they come from the
> salvage yard on bicycles ...front only usually...meaning that one
> side mounts with cable forward and the other side rearword..
>
> I turn aluminum spindles to mate the disk to the rim..I have
> good luck using the two piece spun rims...they are true...
>
> The hard part is mounting the caliper...here you need to make an
> aluminum plate that slides over the axle and mounts to the 4 holes
> in the large washer that is part of the kolb axle..from here it is
> a matter of a spacer,trial and error, to get the disk
> pad/caliper/disk distance correct. a cromolly tube that slips over
> the axle and sets the distance from disk/rim to caliper... is the
> spacer..
>
> In the pics..notice that I left too much lexan on the left
> side..need only be 1/4 inch below the longeron..
>
> On 10/07/2016 01:49 PM, chris davis wrote:
>
> Chris Davis
> KXP 503 492 hrs
> Glider Pilot
> Disabled from crash building Firefly
>
> On Friday, October 7, 2016 2:34 PM, chris davis
> <capedavis@yahoo.com> <mailto:capedavis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Kolbers i have a couple questions on a Firefly. I flew my
> Firestar KXP for 10 years without brakes , had almost no
> trouble on the field i fly out of " Chatham Municipal" 3000 ft
> asphalt with a full length grass field along side which i used
> most of the time but I also went to flyins where there was a
> lot of aircraft taking off and landing never had any trouble
> as long as I stayed alert and thought ahead! I read most kolb
> concerned emails on the list and see that most builders go out
> of there way and risk too much weight to install brakes . Are
> they necessary ?On a FIREFLY?
>
> My next question I prefer a full enclosure and I called Kolb
> and asked for a price on the full enclosure without the lexan
> as I have a local supplier for that the price was $308 ? What
> is included ?
>
> Looking at the Plans all I can see is about $30 dollars worth
> of aluminum and a few bolts I think I can build it myself . Is
> there somthing I am missing ? Just hoping for some input Chris
>
> Chris Davis
> KXP 503 492 hrs
> Glider Pilot
> Disabled from crash building Firefly
>
> --
>
> "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and
> feminine democracies give way to tyranny."
>
> Aristotle
>
> "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a
> reeducation and what does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are
> you unreedemable"? And" who is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark
> Twain's little girl...
>
>
> --
> "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine
> democracies give way to tyranny."
> Aristotle
> "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation
> and what does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you
> unreedemable"? And" who is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's little
> girl...
--
"Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies
give way to tyranny."
Aristotle
"Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and what
does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" who is Stalin
and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter...
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Brakes and full enclosure |
haven't had the first brandy!! groung??
On 10/10/2016 07:54 PM, Herb wrote:
>
> Yep...groung handling takes many forms...:-) Herb
>
>
> On 10/10/2016 02:42 PM, John Hauck wrote:
>>
>> Brakes are good for lots of stuff:
>>
>> -As Herb mentioned, ground handling, especially in high wind.Also
>> nice to prevent ground looping in high cross wind conditions.
>>
>> -Back in the mid 1980s, I landed at Ozark, Alabama, Airport.The gas
>> pump was downhill from the taxiway.Had to get out of the US and FS
>> (before I got brakes) and walk the aircraft down to the pump.
>>
>> -They are also handy for run up and magcheck.
>>
>> Plenty cross wind in Ely, NV.Hard to walk from the truck to McDonalds
>> for a hamburger.;-)
>>
>> john h
>>
>> mkIII
>>
>> *From:*owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Herb
>> *Sent:* Saturday, October 08, 2016 11:59 AM
>> *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Kolb-List: Fw: Brakes and full enclosure
>>
>> good for ground handling...mainly...Herb
>>
>> On 10/08/2016 11:04 AM, chris davis wrote:
>>
>> Herb Thank u for the very complete answer to my full enclosure
>> question Im sure I can build it for a lot less than $300 that
>> Kolb asked for it . Your brakes look great but my question was do
>> I need brakes more on the Firefly than the Firestar? thank u Chris
>>
>> Chris Davis
>> KXP 503 492 hrs
>> Glider Pilot
>> Disabled from crash building Firefly
>>
>> On Friday, October 7, 2016 8:59 PM, Herb <Herbgh@nctc.com>
>> <mailto:Herbgh@nctc.com> wrote:
>>
>> slow list Chris...
>>
>> I have installed full enclosures on two Fireflys...I did a gull
>> wing enclosure on my MkIII..
>>
>> easy to do...the 1/16 lexan just lays over the nose cone... a
>> 4x4 sheet works...was 35 to 40 bucks here in Tenn.. Lay the paper
>> covered lexan over the nose cone and rear bow that you have made
>> and do a rough marking of the size...over sized a bit but to
>> shape ..this makes it easy to clamp and handle. Once the shape is
>> made then move on to mounting..I let the Lexan lay over the nose
>> cone by about 1 and one half inch..enough to allow the rubber
>> seal to clear the front of the cone a bit... 1/8th inch...will do..
>>
>> Making the rear bow is not science...just bend it carefully and
>> try not to go to round such that it is sticking out any further
>> than need be...Guess your shoulders would dictate the bow
>> size..Oval is good..toward flat.on the sides.. The top of this
>> bow is braced by another bow that runs rather horizontal to the
>> cromolly verticals that attach to the spar carry through..this is
>> attached to the cromolly tubes with gussets and that tube and
>> rear bow meet and are gusseted to one another..on the top...
>>
>> I install a stop screw and decorative washer at about 10 am..
>> thru the lexan to the cone..I raise the lexan up to a
>> comfortable entry position and install that screw...I also note
>> where the lexan is on the rear bow and install large head rivets
>> from there down to the end of the bow on that side(left) I
>> install a powder coated white angle aluminum on the top of the
>> left longeron and fasten it in maybe three or 4 places then
>> fasten it to the lexan from nose to bow I attach it to the bottom
>> of the rear bow but not to the nose cone....I use the decorative
>> dimpled washer and flush screws there...then once the lexan is
>> down on the right side...I mark the paper covering and install
>> white angle aluminum there also..from nose cone to bow..At the
>> nose end I install a tapered screw of my own making I flatten or
>> grind it flat and attach it to the aluminum angle ..I drill a
>> hole in the nose cone bracket such that the tapered screw fits
>> snugly and holds a good wrap around the nose cone.. before you do
>> this install the rubber seal on this end of the lexan..some hold
>> it with silicone but I use the 3m black weather seal...Trial fit
>> the rubber seal and tape the lexan on both sides so that the
>> rubber goo that squeezes out of the seal does not get on the
>> lexan beyond where it is intended to go...I use good auto paint
>> tape here...Then install the tapered screw on the angle that is
>> attached same as the angle on the left side...now...make a
>> sliding latch that is captured by the aluminum bow that the rear
>> of the lexan lays on...you can make some sort of prop...to hold
>> the lexan open for entry/exit ...i tended to use my head...
>> naturally the right side angle is only attached to the lexan...
>> and it is good to make a stop on the sliding latch such that is
>> cannot rise up the bow..though the slip stream should be fine for
>> that...
>>
>> Clear as mud? Herb
>>
>> my cost is usually the price of the lexan...maybe total of 50
>> bucks..
>>
>> oops...brakes...I use mountain bike brakes..they come from the
>> salvage yard on bicycles ...front only usually...meaning that one
>> side mounts with cable forward and the other side rearword..
>>
>> I turn aluminum spindles to mate the disk to the rim..I have
>> good luck using the two piece spun rims...they are true...
>>
>> The hard part is mounting the caliper...here you need to make an
>> aluminum plate that slides over the axle and mounts to the 4
>> holes in the large washer that is part of the kolb axle..from
>> here it is a matter of a spacer,trial and error, to get the disk
>> pad/caliper/disk distance correct. a cromolly tube that slips
>> over the axle and sets the distance from disk/rim to caliper...
>> is the spacer..
>>
>> In the pics..notice that I left too much lexan on the left
>> side..need only be 1/4 inch below the longeron..
>>
>> On 10/07/2016 01:49 PM, chris davis wrote:
>>
>> Chris Davis
>> KXP 503 492 hrs
>> Glider Pilot
>> Disabled from crash building Firefly
>>
>> On Friday, October 7, 2016 2:34 PM, chris davis
>> <capedavis@yahoo.com> <mailto:capedavis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> Kolbers i have a couple questions on a Firefly. I flew my
>> Firestar KXP for 10 years without brakes , had almost no
>> trouble on the field i fly out of " Chatham Municipal" 3000
>> ft asphalt with a full length grass field along side which i
>> used most of the time but I also went to flyins where there
>> was a lot of aircraft taking off and landing never had any
>> trouble as long as I stayed alert and thought ahead! I read
>> most kolb concerned emails on the list and see that most
>> builders go out of there way and risk too much weight to
>> install brakes . Are they necessary ?On a FIREFLY?
>>
>> My next question I prefer a full enclosure and I called Kolb
>> and asked for a price on the full enclosure without the lexan
>> as I have a local supplier for that the price was $308 ? What
>> is included ?
>>
>> Looking at the Plans all I can see is about $30 dollars
>> worth of aluminum and a few bolts I think I can build it
>> myself . Is there somthing I am missing ? Just hoping for
>> some input Chris
>>
>> Chris Davis
>> KXP 503 492 hrs
>> Glider Pilot
>> Disabled from crash building Firefly
>>
>> --
>>
>> "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and
>> feminine democracies give way to tyranny."
>>
>> Aristotle
>>
>> "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a
>> reeducation and what does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are
>> you unreedemable"? And" who is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark
>> Twain's little girl...
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine
>> democracies give way to tyranny."
>> Aristotle
>> "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation
>> and what does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you
>> unreedemable"? And" who is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's
>> little girl...
>
> --
> "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies
give way to tyranny."
>
> Aristotle
>
> "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and what
does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" who is
Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter...
--
"Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies
give way to tyranny."
Aristotle
"Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and what
does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" who is Stalin
and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter...
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| Subject: | Re: More HKS Engine Interference Questions |
Stuart thanks for the reminder.
I forgot a few things. As far as I can tell the engine plate is a standard
one from Kolb. I know that it fits a 503 as well as the HKS. The HKS bolts
are 3 1/4 inches forward on the plate, and seem to be centered equally. I
also got a prop extension from Rick that I like a lot. It is 2 1/2 inches
long.
Larry
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Thank you Larry and Kolb List'ers for the responses.
Larry I did remember you told me you had two inch spacers... however I measured
my installation, and going from the one inch spacers (what I have now) to two
inch spacers (what you have) will still not raise the exhaust pipe UPWARD enough
to clear the trailing edge tube of the wing (even with the aileron swung out
of the way).
The problem is only with the wings folded back for storage or trailering. There's
PLENTY of clearance in flying configuration.
Because of the offset between right and left cylinders on an opposed engine, the
left wing is a bigger interference problem than the right wing.
The engine might have to go forward, and that means I will have to use a prop extension
so the prop doesn't hit the rear of the steel cage. Does anyone know
whether I can use a 3 or 4 inch extension on the HKS without putting too much
load on the crankshaft or main bearings?
Thank you guys for helping solve this problem. Does any one know whether David
Bigelow (HKS powered Firestar 2 in Hawaii) is still flying or participating in
this group?
Bill Berle
www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities
--------------------------------------------
On Mon, 10/10/16, Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020@gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: More HKS Engine Interference Questions
To: "kolb-list@matronics.com" <kolb-list@matronics.com>
Date: Monday, October 10, 2016, 4:48 PM
So the question is... how high can the propeller thrust line
be on a Kolb Firestar 2 without causing a change in the
aircraft handling?
Bill Berle
--------
Since I am one of the few that have an
HKS, I guess that I will have to tell you again that I have
mine with 2 inch risers, swing a 66 inch prop giving me
about 3/4 of an inch clearance.
As to your question about how high- I cannot tell
you that as I have not gone there as of yet. I can tell you
that my wings will fold by turning the ailerons in the
extended position when it is folded. I can also tell you
that with the engine set the way that it is, when I give it
full throttle the plane climbs without my influence on the
stick. So apparently I have not raised it too high
yet.
I once rode in a Mark three that when full
throttle was applied the plane dived without stick up
pressure. It scared me!Larry
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| Subject: | Re: More HKS Engine Interference Questions |
I may have found the problem why Larry's installation is different than mine !
The hotos he was kind enough tos end show exhaust pipes that are NOT separated
just past the exhaust port. Mine have a break, with a "Swivel joint" and springs,
just 2 inches outside of the exhaust port. These undoubtedly take up more
room, and make the exhaust pipe hang down a couple of inches lower under the engine,
than Larry's "solid, no swivel/spring joint" system.
So in order to have the thrust line in the best possible position (so I can get
the great Kolb handling that I've been hearing about), I may wind up having to
make up a new exhaust system that takes up less space, or routes the exhaust
pipes a different direction, etc..
Bill Berle
www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities
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On Mon, 10/10/16, Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020@gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: More HKS Engine Interference Questions
To: "kolb-list@matronics.com" <kolb-list@matronics.com>
Date: Monday, October 10, 2016, 4:48 PM
So the question is... how high can the propeller thrust line
be on a Kolb Firestar 2 without causing a change in the
aircraft handling?
Bill Berle
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Since I am one of the few that have an
HKS, I guess that I will have to tell you again that I have
mine with 2 inch risers, swing a 66 inch prop giving me
about 3/4 of an inch clearance.
As to your question about how high- I cannot tell
you that as I have not gone there as of yet. I can tell you
that my wings will fold by turning the ailerons in the
extended position when it is folded. I can also tell you
that with the engine set the way that it is, when I give it
full throttle the plane climbs without my influence on the
stick. So apparently I have not raised it too high
yet.
I once rode in a Mark three that when full
throttle was applied the plane dived without stick up
pressure. It scared me!Larry
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