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1. 05:40 AM - Re: NEED HELP... Setting wing incidence on a Mk3 Xtra (dirtracin)
2. 05:50 AM - Re: Re: NEED HELP... Setting wing incidence on a Mk3 Xtra (Herb)
3. 05:52 AM - Re: Re: NEED HELP... Setting wing incidence on a Mk3 Xtra (Herb)
4. 07:15 AM - Re: NEED HELP... Setting wing incidence on a Mk3 Xtra (dirtracin)
5. 07:20 AM - Re: NEED HELP... Setting wing incidence on a Mk3 Xtra (dirtracin)
6. 07:32 AM - Re: NEED HELP... Setting wing incidence on a Mk3 Xtra (dirtracin)
7. 07:46 AM - Re: Re: NEED HELP... Setting wing incidence on a Mk3 Xtra (Herb)
8. 07:53 AM - Re: Re: NEED HELP... Setting wing incidence on a Mk3 Xtra (Herb)
9. 08:02 AM - Re: NEED HELP... Setting wing incidence on a Mk3 Xtra (dirtracin)
10. 08:43 AM - Re: Re: NEED HELP... Setting wing incidence on a Mk3 Xtra (Herb)
11. 08:58 AM - Re: NEED HELP... Setting wing incidence on a Mk3 Xtra (dirtracin)
12. 09:28 AM - Re: Re: NEED HELP... Setting wing incidence on a Mk3 Xtra (william sullivan)
13. 01:49 PM - Re: Re: NEED HELP... Setting wing incidence on a Mk3 Xtra (Richard Girard)
14. 03:50 PM - Re: Re: NEED HELP... Setting wing incidence on a Mk3 Xtra (Richard Girard)
15. 04:24 PM - Re: NEED HELP... Setting wing incidence on a Mk3 Xtra (Rex Rodebush)
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| Subject: | Re: NEED HELP... Setting wing incidence on a Mk3 Xtra |
I got that info straight from my manual... I do have the 11th Mk3 Xtra.. So there
maybe some differences from the newer models... I did set the wings at 3.4
last night which put me inline with the tab on the wing root but now the wing
root is in contact with the flap tangs that stick out through the fuselage...
And when I moved the wing outward to clear the flap tangs now the wing root tab
that mounts to the fuselage is to far out to be pinned to the fuselage... Something
is not right!..
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| Subject: | Re: NEED HELP... Setting wing incidence on a Mk3 Xtra |
sounds like picture time...take some..and someone on the list will be
able to help. Herb
On 10/23/2016 07:40 AM, dirtracin wrote:
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> I got that info straight from my manual... I do have the 11th Mk3 Xtra.. So
there maybe some differences from the newer models... I did set the wings at 3.4
last night which put me inline with the tab on the wing root but now the wing
root is in contact with the flap tangs that stick out through the fuselage...
And when I moved the wing outward to clear the flap tangs now the wing root
tab that mounts to the fuselage is to far out to be pinned to the fuselage...
Something is not right!..
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461530#461530
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| Subject: | Re: NEED HELP... Setting wing incidence on a Mk3 Xtra |
by the way...wondering if there is a difference between the MKIII C and
the MkIII X root rib? Herb
On 10/23/2016 07:40 AM, dirtracin wrote:
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> I got that info straight from my manual... I do have the 11th Mk3 Xtra.. So
there maybe some differences from the newer models... I did set the wings at 3.4
last night which put me inline with the tab on the wing root but now the wing
root is in contact with the flap tangs that stick out through the fuselage...
And when I moved the wing outward to clear the flap tangs now the wing root
tab that mounts to the fuselage is to far out to be pinned to the fuselage...
Something is not right!..
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461530#461530
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img008_162.jpg
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>
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"Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and what
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and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter...
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| Subject: | Re: NEED HELP... Setting wing incidence on a Mk3 Xtra |
here are a few pics of what I'm dealing with... The wing is set at 3.4 degrees
and is in contact with the flap tang/flange...
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| Subject: | Re: NEED HELP... Setting wing incidence on a Mk3 Xtra |
here you can see the contact between the flap flange and the wing root when set
at the 3.4 degrees... if I move the wing out then I dont have enough room to
pin the wing root to the fuselage...
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| Subject: | Re: NEED HELP... Setting wing incidence on a Mk3 Xtra |
there is an easy fix for this... If I'm doing this correctly... it looks like the
flap rod that goes out to each side could be cut down a little and replaced...
but I need to know what I'm doing is right before I go cutting stuff...
I did do a search on incidence and it seems the older kolbs with the short landing
gear used a different angle of incidence... ok I have the old version, but
I have the newer longer curved landing gear...
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| Subject: | Re: NEED HELP... Setting wing incidence on a Mk3 Xtra |
New Fuselage and old wings? The root ribs look different...? Herb
On 10/23/2016 09:15 AM, dirtracin wrote:
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> here are a few pics of what I'm dealing with... The wing is set at 3.4 degrees
and is in contact with the flap tang/flange...
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461535#461535
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> http://forums.matronics.com//files/14716218_899158316881130_8794337127641064577_n_259.jpg
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and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter...
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| Subject: | Re: NEED HELP... Setting wing incidence on a Mk3 Xtra |
Isn't that root rib mounting tab in the wrong location? Been a while
and the one I rebuilt was a MkIII C.. Herb
On 10/23/2016 09:20 AM, dirtracin wrote:
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> here you can see the contact between the flap flange and the wing root when set
at the 3.4 degrees... if I move the wing out then I dont have enough room to
pin the wing root to the fuselage...
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461536#461536
>
>
> Attachments:
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> http://forums.matronics.com//files/14724609_899158313547797_8819378937121285255_n_516.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/14721753_899158320214463_5055405320923361270_n_102.jpg
>
>
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and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter...
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| Subject: | Re: NEED HELP... Setting wing incidence on a Mk3 Xtra |
It was bought as an unfinished kit... some of the parts were assembled when i bought
it... at some point i think some of the parts where stored outdoors... the
fuselage was pretty rusty before i had it powder coated so it looks newer than
the wings...
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| Subject: | Re: NEED HELP... Setting wing incidence on a Mk3 Xtra |
Looks as if all of the regular kolbers are off doing something else...?
Naturally, Bryan at the factory would be glad to help..
I am wondering about the root rib more than anything at the
moment...perhaps some pictures with a larger view might help...? Herb
On 10/23/2016 10:02 AM, dirtracin wrote:
>
> It was bought as an unfinished kit... some of the parts were assembled when i
bought it... at some point i think some of the parts where stored outdoors...
the fuselage was pretty rusty before i had it powder coated so it looks newer
than the wings...
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461541#461541
>
>
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"Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and what
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and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter...
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| Subject: | Re: NEED HELP... Setting wing incidence on a Mk3 Xtra |
lowering the wings has now created a new problem... the gap seal I have cannot
work with the wings that low... the leading edge of the wing now sits lower than
the upper windshield mount/bar... yet the gap seal I have the leading edge
would have to be above the windshield mount/bar... I think I will just call Bryan
tomorrow... thanks for responding...
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| Subject: | Re: NEED HELP... Setting wing incidence on a Mk3 Xtra |
The book says 1.4 degrees, and you say you set it at 3.4 degrees and it won't
fit. Why the difference?
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On Sun, 10/23/16, dirtracin <igetthebug@gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: NEED HELP... Setting wing incidence on a Mk3 Xtra
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Date: Sunday, October 23, 2016, 8:40 AM
"dirtracin" <igetthebug@gmail.com>
I got that info straight from my manual... I do have
the 11th Mk3 Xtra.. So there maybe some differences from the
newer models... I did set the wings at 3.4 last night which
put me inline with the tab on the wing root but now the wing
root is in contact with the flap tangs that stick out
through the fuselage... And when I moved the wing outward to
clear the flap tangs now the wing root tab that mounts to
the fuselage is to far out to be pinned to the fuselage...
Something is not right!..
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461530#461530
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| Subject: | Re: NEED HELP... Setting wing incidence on a Mk3 Xtra |
If it's an old 3X are the leading edges of the horizontal stabilizer set in
the middle of the boom tube or near the top edge?
The Mark 3C would have them set near the top edge and the early X's also
used this setting. If you mix the "C" setting of the HS with the lower wing
incidence of the "X" your airplane will not fly correctly.
Rick
On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 10:58 AM, dirtracin <igetthebug@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> lowering the wings has now created a new problem... the gap seal I have
> cannot work with the wings that low... the leading edge of the wing now
> sits lower than the upper windshield mount/bar... yet the gap seal I have
> the leading edge would have to be above the windshield mount/bar... I thi
nk
> I will just call Bryan tomorrow... thanks for responding...
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461546#461546
>
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| Subject: | Re: NEED HELP... Setting wing incidence on a Mk3 Xtra |
Just realized I forgot about the gap cover. Yep, the "C" cover will not
work with the "X" (latest) wing incidence setting. Attached are pictures of
the one I made for the PfH.
Rick
PS Found the incidence numbers I used, although setting the motor mount at
zero is a PITA, you end up the nose on the ground and the tail in the
rafters. :-}
1) with motor mount set at level in BOTH directions, i.e.--0 degrees
2) boom tube should be -6.1 deg (mine was!!)
3) hor. stab should be -4.6 deg
4) dihedral should be 1.6 degrees per wing (I chose 2.7, because my
diagonal struts were already made. When repositioning the wings to the new
lower position, this has the effect of adding dihedral)
5) main wing should be +3.4 deg, but this has been revised to +2.8 deg
After looking at the numbers I began to wonder if you aren't confusing the
dihedral setting with the incidence setting. Just a thought.
On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 4:09 PM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com> wrote
:
> Just realized I forgot about the gap cover. Yep, the "C" cover will not
> work with the "X" (latest) wing incidence setting. Attached are pictures
of
> the one I made for the PfH.
>
> Rick
>
> PS Found the incidence numbers I used, although setting the motor mount a
t
> zero is a PITA, you end up the nose on the ground and the tail in the
> rafters. :-} After looking at the numbers I began to wonder if you aren't
> confusing the dihedral setting with the incidence setting. Just a thought
.
>
> On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 3:49 PM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> If it's an old 3X are the leading edges of the horizontal stabilizer set
>> in the middle of the boom tube or near the top edge?
>> The Mark 3C would have them set near the top edge and the early X's also
>> used this setting. If you mix the "C" setting of the HS with the lower w
ing
>> incidence of the "X" your airplane will not fly correctly.
>>
>> Rick
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 10:58 AM, dirtracin <igetthebug@gmail.com> wrote
:
>>
>>>
>>> lowering the wings has now created a new problem... the gap seal I have
>>> cannot work with the wings that low... the leading edge of the wing now
>>> sits lower than the upper windshield mount/bar... yet the gap seal I ha
ve
>>> the leading edge would have to be above the windshield mount/bar... I t
hink
>>> I will just call Bryan tomorrow... thanks for responding...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461546#461546
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>> =9CBlessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light.
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>> Marx <http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/43244.Groucho_Marx>
>>
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> --
> =9CBlessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light.
=9D Groucho Marx
> <http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/43244.Groucho_Marx>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: NEED HELP... Setting wing incidence on a Mk3 Xtra |
I have an Xtra that is the same vintage as yours (within 2 numbers). I ordered
a MarkIII and then changed it when the Xtra came out. I called Brian in July,
2011 when I started final rigging. The numbers he gave me are very close to
Rick's.
At Motor mount of 0 degrees, wing is 3.4, boom is -6.1, horiz. stab is -4.8 (I
have the larger horiz. stab.).
I set my D.H. so the tips are about 2 1/4" high each side.
I also have the longer heavy steel legs from Kolb. Be sure to take several readings
and average them. Those numbers have worked great for me. I think the
u-joints on the wing can be turned upside down and that also Kolb has make some
a little different. I don't remember the details or exactly what I had to do
to get his numbers. I do remember that it was a lot of hassle going back and
forth. Change one thing and you affect everything else. You might call Brian
if nothing seems to work.
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