---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 10/25/16: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:56 AM - Re: Aileron trim and a new video (Patrick Ladd) 2. 07:54 AM - Re: Aileron trim and a new video (Rex Rodebush) 3. 09:14 AM - Re: 7/16 x .028 shims (chris davis) 4. 10:38 AM - Re: 7/16 x .028 shims (Herb) 5. 10:46 AM - Re: 7/16 x .028 shims (Herb) 6. 02:03 PM - Re: NEED HELP... Setting wing incidence on a Mk3 Xtra (Rex Rodebush) 7. 02:07 PM - Re: NEED HELP... Setting wing incidence on a Mk3 Xtra (Rex Rodebush) 8. 02:10 PM - Re: NEED HELP... Setting wing incidence on a Mk3 Xtra (Rex Rodebush) 9. 04:27 PM - Kolb Firestar 1... (Herb) 10. 04:32 PM - Re: Kolb Firestar 1... (Larry Cottrell) 11. 04:52 PM - Re: Kolb Firestar 1... Kxp (B Young) 12. 06:22 PM - Re: Kolb Firestar 1... Kxp (Herb) 13. 06:24 PM - Re: Kolb Firestar 1... (Herb) 14. 06:31 PM - Re: Kolb Firestar 1... (Herb) 15. 08:15 PM - Re: 7/16 x .028 shims (chris davis) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:56:35 AM PST US From: Patrick Ladd Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aileron trim and a new video Lovely smooth video. No music unfortunately. I think if I was flying in yo ur area I would choose an amphibian. Stayed many years ago with a guy in La ke Wales and flew a Buccaneer (I think). I have flown a French amphib.also . The amphibian is an exciting change, Easy to fly, the water landings are really not much trouble. I was sent solo after two trips dual. Swimming an d fishing from the plane and the use of deserted beaches for picnics opens up your options plus a lot of places to land if it does suddenly get all qu iet. Pat ________________________________ From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Rex Rodebush Sent: 24 October 2016 16:38:55 Subject: Kolb-List: Aileron trim and a new video Thanks to all for the aileron trim suggestions a few months ago. I made an adjustable trim and then had to add a little bit on the rudder trim for th e extra drag. See attached pictures. Also, I made a new video with the camera mounted outside and added some mus ic. I'm flying about 2500'. Would like to go lower but a little nervous a s some times no good options for landing if an engine out occurs. Go to utube and type in "flying a kolb over table rock lake" and it should come up. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461566#461566 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_20160927_125540311_176.jpg ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:54:50 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Aileron trim and a new video From: "Rex Rodebush" Pat, I have looked at making it an amphibian. The main concerns I have are that with the extra weight and a full tank it pretty much becomes a single place airplane. Also, you need a paved or very smooth grass runway. You would give up many off field landing areas. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461605#461605 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:14:57 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 7/16 x .028 shims From: chris davis Herb the shims go on the 3/8 bolt that goes through th H tube so the flapero n arms can swivel freely . Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 24, 2016, at 11:35 AM, Herb wrote: > > Chris > > I do not recall them..what is the purpose? Herb > >> On 10/24/2016 09:36 AM, chris davis wrote: >> Kolbers , On my Firefly construction Im told to cut two shims of 4130 7/1 6 x 028 I believe they will be about 1/8 each or less I dont have any tubing of that size laying around so i called Aircraft Spruce and they dont have a ny either the thinnest wall that they have is .035 so i thought maybe someon e on the list might be able to send me a little piece by us mail wont cost m uch for shipping so can anyone help me out?thank u Chris >> >> >> >> Chris Davis >> KXP 503 492 hrs >> Glider Pilot >> Disabled from crash building Firefly > > -- > "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democr acies give way to tyranny." > > Aristotle > > "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and w hat does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" who is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter... ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:38:12 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 7/16 x .028 shims From: Herb Chris Those are short pieces of tubing that fit over the h section through bolt..Just a bit longer than the actuation levers are wide...Herb On 10/25/2016 11:14 AM, chris davis wrote: > Herb the shims go on the 3/8 bolt that goes through th H tube so the > flaperon arms can swivel freely . > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 24, 2016, at 11:35 AM, Herb > wrote: > >> Chris >> >> I do not recall them..what is the purpose? Herb >> >> >> On 10/24/2016 09:36 AM, chris davis wrote: >>> Kolbers , On my Firefly construction Im told to cut two shims of >>> 4130 7/16 x 028 I believe they will be about 1/8 each or less I dont >>> have any tubing of that size laying around so i called Aircraft >>> Spruce and they dont have any either the thinnest wall that they >>> have is .035 so i thought maybe someone on the list might be able to >>> send me a little piece by us mail wont cost much for shipping so can >>> anyone help me out?thank u Chris >>> >>> >>> Chris Davis >>> KXP 503 492 hrs >>> Glider Pilot >>> Disabled from crash building Firefly >> >> -- >> "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies give way to tyranny." >> >> Aristotle >> >> "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and what does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" who is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter... -- "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies give way to tyranny." Aristotle "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and what does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" who is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter... ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:46:54 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 7/16 x .028 shims From: Herb the holes in the levers should be just large enough to allow the shims to slide freely through.. ..Herb On 10/25/2016 12:36 PM, Herb wrote: > > Chris > > Those are short pieces of tubing that fit over the h section > through bolt..Just a bit longer than the actuation levers are wide...Herb > > > On 10/25/2016 11:14 AM, chris davis wrote: >> Herb the shims go on the 3/8 bolt that goes through th H tube so the >> flaperon arms can swivel freely . >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Oct 24, 2016, at 11:35 AM, Herb > > wrote: >> >>> Chris >>> >>> I do not recall them..what is the purpose? Herb >>> >>> >>> On 10/24/2016 09:36 AM, chris davis wrote: >>>> Kolbers , On my Firefly construction Im told to cut two shims of >>>> 4130 7/16 x 028 I believe they will be about 1/8 each or less I >>>> dont have any tubing of that size laying around so i called >>>> Aircraft Spruce and they dont have any either the thinnest wall >>>> that they have is .035 so i thought maybe someone on the list might >>>> be able to send me a little piece by us mail wont cost much for >>>> shipping so can anyone help me out?thank u Chris >>>> >>>> >>>> Chris Davis >>>> KXP 503 492 hrs >>>> Glider Pilot >>>> Disabled from crash building Firefly >>> >>> -- >>> "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies give way to tyranny." >>> >>> Aristotle >>> >>> "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and what does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" who is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter... > > -- > "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies give way to tyranny." > > Aristotle > > "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and what does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" who is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter... -- "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies give way to tyranny." Aristotle "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and what does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" who is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter... ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:03:11 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: NEED HELP... Setting wing incidence on a Mk3 Xtra From: "Rex Rodebush" Attached are downsized pictures of the aileron trim attachment, the landing gear and some pictures of my rear u-joints. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461618#461618 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_20161025_120104653_138.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_20161025_115731040_511.jpg ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:07:39 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: NEED HELP... Setting wing incidence on a Mk3 Xtra From: "Rex Rodebush" two pictures did not attach. Hope this works. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461619#461619 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:10:19 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: NEED HELP... Setting wing incidence on a Mk3 Xtra From: "Rex Rodebush" One more time Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461620#461620 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_20161025_120104653_948.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_20161025_120104653_229.jpg ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:27:37 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb Firestar 1... From: Herb I am looking at a 5 rib Firestar 1... Is that a KXP? And what is a KXP? When were they built? And the engine ,447 , shows an ign box under the carb, but the coil is mounted in the location where the dual coils would be mounted for a points ign engine..Single coil, waste spark ... Any info would be appreciated...Herb ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:32:18 PM PST US From: Larry Cottrell Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Firestar 1... It is my understanding that the KXP came after the 5 rib. I believe it was the first 7 rib firestar. Larry On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 5:27 PM, Herb wrote: > > > I am looking at a 5 rib Firestar 1... Is that a KXP? And what is a KXP? > When were they built? > And the engine ,447 , shows an ign box under the carb, but the coil is > mounted in the location where the dual coils would be mounted for a points > ign engine..Single coil, waste spark ... > Any info would be appreciated...Herb > > -- *The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of others.* *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.* ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:52:08 PM PST US From: B Young Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Firestar 1... Kxp Kolb web sight has a history page. It explains the timeline and development of the different models. http://www.kolbaircraft.com/history.htm ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:22:34 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Firestar 1... Kxp From: Herb thanks for the reminder...been there and read that before... :-) Herb On 10/25/2016 06:51 PM, B Young wrote: > > Kolb web sight has a history page. It explains the timeline and > development of the different models. > > http://www.kolbaircraft.com/history.htm > -- "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies give way to tyranny." Aristotle "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and what does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" who is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter... ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:24:14 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Firestar 1... From: Herb If I read it right...the one I am looking at is a KX...per 1990 maybe? Herb On 10/25/2016 06:32 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote: > It is my understanding that the KXP came after the 5 rib. I believe it > was the first 7 rib firestar. > Larry > > On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 5:27 PM, Herb > wrote: > > > > > > I am looking at a 5 rib Firestar 1... Is that a KXP? And what is a > KXP? When were they built? > And the engine ,447 , shows an ign box under the carb, but the > coil is mounted in the location where the dual coils would be > mounted for a points ign engine..Single coil, waste spark ... > Any info would be appreciated...Herb > > =================================== > -List" rel="noreferrer" > target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > =================================== > FORUMS - > eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com > =================================== > WIKI - > errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com > =================================== > b Site - > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > =================================== > > > -- > /The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant > of others./ > / > / > /If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email > address before sending./ -- "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies give way to tyranny." Aristotle "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and what does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" who is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter... ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:31:54 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Firestar 1... From: Herb pre 1990.... Herb On 10/25/2016 08:23 PM, Herb wrote: > > If I read it right...the one I am looking at is a KX...per 1990 > maybe? Herb > > > On 10/25/2016 06:32 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote: >> It is my understanding that the KXP came after the 5 rib. I believe >> it was the first 7 rib firestar. >> Larry >> >> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 5:27 PM, Herb > > wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> I am looking at a 5 rib Firestar 1... Is that a KXP? And what is >> a KXP? When were they built? >> And the engine ,447 , shows an ign box under the carb, but the >> coil is mounted in the location where the dual coils would be >> mounted for a points ign engine..Single coil, waste spark ... >> Any info would be appreciated...Herb >> >> =================================== >> -List" rel="noreferrer" >> target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >> =================================== >> FORUMS - >> eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com >> =================================== >> WIKI - >> errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com >> =================================== >> b Site - >> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> rel="noreferrer" >> target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> =================================== >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> /The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant >> of others./ >> / >> / >> /If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email >> address before sending./ > > -- > "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies give way to tyranny." > > Aristotle > > "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and what does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" who is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter... -- "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies give way to tyranny." Aristotle "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and what does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" who is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter... ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:15:56 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 7/16 x .028 shims From: chris davis Yes herb I know what they are I was just trying to locate a piece of tubing t hat size 7/16 x 028 as I said I don't have any and I call aircraft spruce an d they don't have any 7/16 with a wall that thin 035 was the thinnest wall t hey sell so instead of buying a lot more than I need somewhere else I though t perhaps someone on the list might have a piece they could send me ? Get m y drift? Thanks for the comeback if no one else responds I guess I will look elsewhere or maybe even ask Bryon at KOLB for a piece . Chris Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 25, 2016, at 1:36 PM, Herb wrote: > > Chris > > Those are short pieces of tubing that fit over the h section through bo lt..Just a bit longer than the actuation levers are wide...Herb > >> On 10/25/2016 11:14 AM, chris davis wrote: >> Herb the shims go on the 3/8 bolt that goes through th H tube so the flap eron arms can swivel freely . >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Oct 24, 2016, at 11:35 AM, Herb wrote: >> >>> Chris >>> >>> I do not recall them..what is the purpose? Herb >>> >>>> On 10/24/2016 09:36 AM, chris davis wrote: >>>> Kolbers , On my Firefly construction Im told to cut two shims of 4130 7 /16 x 028 I believe they will be about 1/8 each or less I dont have any tubi ng of that size laying around so i called Aircraft Spruce and they dont have any either the thinnest wall that they have is .035 so i thought maybe some one on the list might be able to send me a little piece by us mail wont cost much for shipping so can anyone help me out?thank u Chris >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Chris Davis >>>> KXP 503 492 hrs >>>> Glider Pilot >>>> Disabled from crash building Firefly >>> >>> -- >>> "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine demo cracies give way to tyranny." >>> >>> Aristotle >>> >>> "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation an d what does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" w ho is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter... > > -- > "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democr acies give way to tyranny." > > Aristotle > > "Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and w hat does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" who is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? 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