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Mon 10/31/16


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     1. 03:15 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 10/29/16 (George Bearden)
     2. 10:24 AM - Re: 5 and 6 inch tubing (Bill Berle)
     3. 10:51 AM - Re: 5 and 6 inch tubing (Charlie England)
     4. 11:45 AM - Re: 5 and 6 inch tubing (Rick Neilsen)
     5. 12:32 PM - Re: 5 and 6 inch tubing (Jim Baker)
 
 
 


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    Time: 03:15:30 AM PST US
    From: "George Bearden" <gab16@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 10/29/16
    > Wonder what quantity has to be bought..and what alloy? Cannot be 500 plus dollars for 20 feet! My bud here in Fresno CA went out of business and has lots of various things in his shop. He has several tubes- I think exactly what Kolb used- and he wants to get rid of the stuff. MUCH cheaper than new, yet this has been stored inside since he bought it new. I don't recall what he was asking. I can put ya'll in touch with him if you have any interest. I remember changing the sprinklers on the alfalfa fields at night. Those kind of tubes you had to unlatch each section and carry it to the new location then reassemble. I remember how flexible they seemed. I'm sure things have changed but I sure wouldn't want that on my plane.


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    Time: 10:24:40 AM PST US
    From: Bill Berle <victorbravo@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: 5 and 6 inch tubing
    I'm sorry. I didn't know that this conversation was regarding hangar doors. I had thought that the discussion was about sources for the 5 and 6 inch diameter tubes used on Kolb spars and fuselage (tailboom) tubes. Being a city boy myself, I have absolutely never seen a hangar that required very thin wall 5 or 6 inch aluminum tubes for the structure, that just happened to be the same materials as what the Kolb aircraft structure uses. I'm genuinely sorry about getting wrapped around the axle if a hangar door was really the subject of the discussion. Any of us who have been around airplanes for a while, and gone to funerals that didn't need to happen, are a little bit trigger-happy about this kind of stuff. I woke up one day and realized that I was the "silly old guy" at the airport who was warning the younger pilots not to do stupid things, and to check stuff two or three times before you fly. It seemed like it was just the day before when I was the smart-ass young pilot, all testosterone and no brains, and laughing at the silly old guys at the airport who were always shaking their finger at me about safety and risk. I could hear all of the old guys roaring with laughter up in the clouds. I would humbly suggest that instead of thin wall 5 or 6 inch aluminum tube, you use galvanized conduit, or square steel tube, for your hangar. A whole lot cheaper, easier to work with, doesn't dent as easily, and the thicker wall materials can have a bolt through them without the bolt hole getting loose in a week. Thin wall aluminum tube is really an incorrect material for a hangar in my opinion. Otherwise you would see all the airport hangars and Butler Buildings and barns made out of it I guess. Bill Yer wraped around the axle for no reason. The initial conversation was about alum tubing suitable for a hangar/hangar door, not for an aircraft. Geez. Jim Baker


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    Time: 10:51:49 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: 5 and 6 inch tubing
    From: Charlie England <ceengland7@gmail.com>
    Hi Bill, As I said earlier, I have no idea what the original subject was; I might not have ever seen the original post. I get individual emails from the list; I suspect that I don't see some of the posts made directly to the forum version. As far as I know, I'm the one that mentioned hangar doors made from irrigation tubing (intended as a good natured diversion; something that's apparently hard to achieve on this list...). Obviously, steel is a better choice, generally, for hangar doors. But a local farm operation was selling a large quantity of 6"x30' sections for a dollar a foot. That, combined with some old highway signs from the scrap yard for gussets and some rivets (driven where I could reach both sides and 3/16" 'pop' where I couldn't), resulted in a 10'x30' one-piece door with counter weight that was much cheaper than a steel frame and light enough for me to assemble and hang without any outside assistance from man or lifting machine. And if nothing else, it's a great conversation piece when a new visitor arrives and I open the door with a light shove. :-) You're absolutely right that no one should be substituting materials in an a/c without knowing exactly what they are doing. But it's also extremely unlikely that a low volume a/c kit company is having custom seamless tubing extrusions made for spars and/or tail booms. The trick (if one is intent on bypassing the kit company) is to know exactly the specs of the off-the-shelf product the kit company is using. And now, back to our regularly scheduled humorless pokes and jabs programming. (That's a joke, son...) Charlie On 10/31/2016 12:24 PM, Bill Berle wrote: > > I'm sorry. I didn't know that this conversation was regarding hangar doors. I had thought that the discussion was about sources for the 5 and 6 inch diameter tubes used on Kolb spars and fuselage (tailboom) tubes. > > Being a city boy myself, I have absolutely never seen a hangar that required very thin wall 5 or 6 inch aluminum tubes for the structure, that just happened to be the same materials as what the Kolb aircraft structure uses. > > I'm genuinely sorry about getting wrapped around the axle if a hangar door was really the subject of the discussion. Any of us who have been around airplanes for a while, and gone to funerals that didn't need to happen, are a little bit trigger-happy about this kind of stuff. I woke up one day and realized that I was the "silly old guy" at the airport who was warning the younger pilots not to do stupid things, and to check stuff two or three times before you fly. It seemed like it was just the day before when I was the smart-ass young pilot, all testosterone and no brains, and laughing at the silly old guys at the airport who were always shaking their finger at me about safety and risk. I could hear all of the old guys roaring with laughter up in the clouds. > > I would humbly suggest that instead of thin wall 5 or 6 inch aluminum tube, you use galvanized conduit, or square steel tube, for your hangar. A whole lot cheaper, easier to work with, doesn't dent as easily, and the thicker wall materials can have a bolt through them without the bolt hole getting loose in a week. Thin wall aluminum tube is really an incorrect material for a hangar in my opinion. Otherwise you would see all the airport hangars and Butler Buildings and barns made out of it I guess. > > Bill >


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    Time: 11:45:42 AM PST US
    From: Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: 5 and 6 inch tubing
    Bill/All I thought the discussion was for our Kolb airplanes also, so if it really wasn't there were a bunch of us that thought it was. I support Bill's comments 100%. It's good for the quality of our airplanes, their reputation, and it keeps more people alive. Just buy from Kolb and you will get the right stuff. It is also very important buy from Kolb to keep our factory support alive and well. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 1:24 PM, Bill Berle <victorbravo@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > I'm sorry. I didn't know that this conversation was regarding hangar > doors. I had thought that the discussion was about sources for the 5 and 6 > inch diameter tubes used on Kolb spars and fuselage (tailboom) tubes. > > Being a city boy myself, I have absolutely never seen a hangar that > required very thin wall 5 or 6 inch aluminum tubes for the structure, that > just happened to be the same materials as what the Kolb aircraft structure > uses. > > I'm genuinely sorry about getting wrapped around the axle if a hangar door > was really the subject of the discussion. Any of us who have been around > airplanes for a while, and gone to funerals that didn't need to happen, are > a little bit trigger-happy about this kind of stuff. I woke up one day and > realized that I was the "silly old guy" at the airport who was warning the > younger pilots not to do stupid things, and to check stuff two or three > times before you fly. It seemed like it was just the day before when I was > the smart-ass young pilot, all testosterone and no brains, and laughing at > the silly old guys at the airport who were always shaking their finger at > me about safety and risk. I could hear all of the old guys roaring with > laughter up in the clouds. > > I would humbly suggest that instead of thin wall 5 or 6 inch aluminum > tube, you use galvanized conduit, or square steel tube, for your hangar. A > whole lot cheaper, easier to work with, doesn't dent as easily, and the > thicker wall materials can have a bolt through them without the bolt hole > getting loose in a week. Thin wall aluminum tube is really an incorrect > material for a hangar in my opinion. Otherwise you would see all the > airport hangars and Butler Buildings and barns made out of it I guess. > > Bill > > > Yer wraped around the axle for no reason. The initial conversation was > about alum tubing suitable for a hangar/hangar door, not for an aircraft. > > Geez. > > Jim Baker > >


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    Time: 12:32:41 PM PST US
    From: Jim Baker <jimbaker@npacc.net>
    Subject: Re: 5 and 6 inch tubing
    Didn't mean to sound high and mighty. I was confused right along with y'all. At first I thought it was about Kolbs but then got an email off list that asked, so...its OK to use for a door. That, in conjunction with the hangar picture, is where I thought that conversation was headed. Instead, I think I just steered it into the weeds. Apologies to all...... Jim Baker 405 426 5377 -----Original Message----- From: Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm@gmail.com> Sent: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 14:45 Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 5 and 6 inch tubing --001a114b05fc958f3505402d9b0d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Bill/All I thought the discussion was for our Kolb airplanes also, so if it really wasn't there were a bunch of us that thought it was. I support Bill's comments 100%. It's good for the quality of our airplanes, their reputation, and it keeps more people alive. Just buy from Kolb and you will get the right stuff. It is also very important buy from Kolb to keep our factory support alive and well. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 1:24 PM, Bill Berle <victorbravo@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > I'm sorry. I didn't know that this conversation was regarding hangar > doors. I had thought that the discussion was about sources for the 5 and 6 > inch diameter tubes used on Kolb spars and fuselage (tailboom) tubes. > > Being a city boy myself, I have absolutely never seen a hangar that > required very thin wall 5 or 6 inch aluminum tubes for the structure, that > just happened to be the same materials as what the Kolb aircraft structure > uses. > > I'm genuinely sorry about getting wrapped around the axle if a hangar door > was really the subject of the discussion. Any of us who have been around > airplanes for a while, and gone to funerals that didn't need to happen, are > a little bit trigger-happy about this kind of stuff. I woke up one day and > realized that I was the "silly old guy" at the airport who was warning the > younger pilots not to do stupid things, and to check stuff two or three > times before you fly. It seemed like it was just the day before when I was > the smart-ass young pilot, all testosterone and no brains, and laughing at > the silly old guys at the airport who were always shaking their finger at > me about safety and risk. I could hear all of the old guys roaring with > laughter up in the clouds. > > I would humbly suggest that instead of thin wall 5 or 6 inch aluminum > tube, you use galvanized conduit, or square steel tube, for your hangar. A > whole lot cheaper, easier to work with, doesn't dent as easily, and the > thicker wall materials can have a bolt through them without the bolt hole > getting loose in a week. Thin wall aluminum tube is really an incorrect > material for a hangar in my opinion. Otherwise you would see all the > airport hangars and Butler Buildings and barns made out of it I guess. > > Bill > > > Yer wraped around the axle for no reason. The initial conversation was > about alum tubing suitable for a hangar/hangar door, not for an aircraft. > > Geez. > > Jim Baker > > --001a114b05fc958f3505402d9b0d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">Bil l/All</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large"><br></div ><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">I thought the discu ssion was for our Kolb airplanes also, so if it really wasn&#39;t there wer e a bunch of us that thought it was. I support Bill&#39;s comments 100%. It &#39;s good for the quality of our airplanes, their reputation, and it keep s more people alive. Just buy from Kolb and you will get the right stuff. I t is also very important buy from Kolb to keep our factory support alive an d well.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large"><br></d iv><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">Rick Neilsen</div ><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote" >On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 1:24 PM, Bill Berle <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href ="mailto:victorbravo@sbcglobal.net" target="_blank">victorbravo@sbcglob al.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style=" margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">--&gt; Kolb- List message posted by: Bill Berle &lt;<a href="mailto:victorbravo@sbcglo bal.net">victorbravo@sbcglobal.net</a>&gt;<br> <br> I&#39;m sorry. I didn&#39;t know that this conversation was regarding hanga r doors. I had thought that the discussion was about sources for the 5 and 6 inch diameter tubes used on Kolb spars and fuselage (tailboom) tubes.<br> <br> Being a city boy myself, I have absolutely never seen a hangar that require d very thin wall 5 or 6 inch aluminum tubes for the structure, that just ha ppened to be the same materials as what the Kolb aircraft structure uses.<b r> <br> I&#39;m genuinely sorry about getting wrapped around the axle if a hangar d oor was really the subject of the discussion. Any of us who have been aroun d airplanes for a while, and gone to funerals that didn&#39;t need to happe n, are a little bit trigger-happy about this kind of stuff. I woke up one d ay and realized that I was the &quot;silly old guy&quot; at the airport who was warning the younger pilots not to do stupid things, and to check stuff two or three times before you fly. It seemed like it was just the day befo re when I was the smart-ass young pilot, all testosterone and no brains, an d laughing at the silly old guys at the airport who were always shaking the ir finger at me about safety and risk. I could hear all of the old guys roa ring with laughter up in the clouds.<br> <br> I would humbly suggest that instead of thin wall 5 or 6 inch aluminum tube, you use galvanized conduit, or square steel tube, for your hangar. A whole lot cheaper, easier to work with, doesn&#39;t dent as easily, and the thic ker wall materials can have a bolt through them without the bolt hole getti ng loose in a week. Thin wall aluminum tube is really an incorrect material for a hangar in my opinion. Otherwise you would see all the airport hangar s and Butler Buildings and barns made out of it I guess.<br> <br> Bill<br> <br> =C2---&gt; Kolb-List message posted by:=C2- Jim Baker &lt;<a href="ma ilto:jimbaker@npacc.net">jimbaker@npacc.net</a>&gt;<br> <br> =C2-Yer wraped around the axle for no reason. 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