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1. 10:38 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 12/21/16 (B Young)
2. 12:17 PM - Re: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 12/21/16 (Bob)
3. 12:31 PM - Re: Re: Kolb FSII for sale - This is where the pictures are (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com)
4. 04:11 PM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 12/21/16 (japowell)
5. 04:35 PM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 12/21/16 (George Alexander)
6. 05:25 PM - Re: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 12/21/16 (B Young)
7. 06:08 PM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 12/21/16 (japowell)
8. 06:12 PM - Re: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 12/21/16 (B Young)
9. 07:22 PM - Re: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 12/21/16 (Herb)
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 12/21/16 |
Trying to decide which way to go with it. The air worthiness certificate
was cancelled by the original builder, liability reasons I guess.. How
would one re-certify or get new registration?
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Look up the phone number for your local FSDO. And ask
Boyd
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 12/21/16 |
I would not call the Friendly Aviation Advisors until I had a plan...
I do not claim to be an expert, but it is my understanding that...
Once airworthiness document is surrendered it can never be recoverd or
reestablished with that airframe serial number..
Check the registry to verify the actual status...
Registering as exhibition is extremely restrictive...don=99t go
that direction until you get the details, and I dont think you can get
that anyway once it has been pulled from the registry.
It is not uncommon practice to rebuild GA certified aircraft starting
from a crashed aircraft data plate....
It is common to rebuild experimentals after damage from new kit parts or
existing parts from another similar experimental aircraft.....Obviously
need an A&P sign off...maybe IA.....maybe even DER and may need a fly
off period because it qualifies as a rather major repair .
I would be thinking about using your parts to repair someone else's
damaged aircraft that is still registered, has a SN, and data plate. I
would talk to guys in my local EAA chapter and maybe EAA headquarters to
make sure I was staying within the rules before talking to FAA. .
Again , I don=99t claim to be an expert, but if it were me, this
is were I would start looking for solution......
Bob
From: B Young
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 11:37 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 12/21/16
Trying to decide which way to go with it. The air worthiness
certificate
was cancelled by the original builder, liability reasons I guess.. How
would one re-certify or get new registration?
*****************
..Look up the phone number for your local FSDO. And ask
Boyd
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb FSII for sale - This is where the pictures are |
Jim,
I would venture to say that a Firestar I (or II) cannot be built to the
ultralight weight limit of 254 lbs (279 if a BRS is installed). Kolb
advertised the original Firestar as "might need a BRS to qualify as an UL". And
that model used a lot of the .028" wall thickness aluminum tubing in the
wing and tail structure for lightness. And I am not sure of the wall
thickness used for the steel tubing, but I was told by Kolb not to use any more
power than the Rotax 447.
Bill Varnes
Original Kolb FireStar
Rotax 447
22 years of flying/528 hours.
In a message dated 12/21/2016 7:59:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
japnmjp@twc.com writes:
If it can't be re-certified, can it be built to ultralight weight. Open to
all comments and useful info as well as negative comments.
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 12/21/16 |
Thanks Boyd,
The data plate is not on this frame. There is a number stamped on the cage but
it doesn't match the serial number on the aw cert. So I'm wondering if I rebuild
with photos to document, I could register it using the serial no. on the
cage. It needs new tail feathers, tail boom and a new folding tail setup and
everything will have to be assembled and reset up or rigged. All control cables
will need to be fabricated. It will need new covering and painting. Maybe
ELSA?
Thanks,
Jim P
WAR EAGLE
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 12/21/16 |
japowell wrote:
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> S . N . I . P . Maybe ELSA?
>
> Thanks,
> Jim P
> WAR EAGLE
The effort you describe could possibly lead to Experimental - Amateur Built not
ELSA.
Above worth what you paid for it.....
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George Alexander
FS II R503 N709FS
http://www.oh2fly.net
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 12/21/16 |
One more thing to check is the serial number on the engine. Make sure you
have a paper trail for everything.
ESLA had to be built exactly to the plans without mods till after the aw
cert. Experimental can be built the way you want.
With experimental you can get repairman cert. WITH ESLA. Any buyer can
get a repairman documents with a course..
You don't have to build it all.. just be able to show it was built by
armatures.
When a plane is sold the registration should be turned in... And it should
be reissued to the buyer for the asking. Just send in your copy of the 3
part sales form.
Boyd
On Dec 22, 2016 5:13 PM, "japowell" <japnmjp@twc.com> wrote:
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> Thanks Boyd,
>
> The data plate is not on this frame. There is a number stamped on the
> cage but it doesn't match the serial number on the aw cert. So I'm
> wondering if I rebuild with photos to document, I could register it using
> the serial no. on the cage. It needs new tail feathers, tail boom and a
> new folding tail setup and everything will have to be assembled and reset
> up or rigged. All control cables will need to be fabricated. It will need
> new covering and painting. Maybe ELSA?
>
> Thanks,
> Jim P
> WAR EAGLE
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464263#464263
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 12/21/16 |
Both bill of sales says miscellaneous non-airworthy experimental aircraft parts.
Doesn't mention engine, just parts.
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 12/21/16 |
You should be good
On Dec 22, 2016 7:10 PM, "japowell" <japnmjp@twc.com> wrote:
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> Both bill of sales says miscellaneous non-airworthy experimental aircraft
> parts. Doesn't mention engine, just parts.
>
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464268#464268
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 12/21/16 |
I had a DAR tell me that exhibition registration is not nearly as
limiting as it once was...Herb
On 12/22/2016 06:35 PM, George Alexander wrote:
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>
> japowell wrote:
>>
>>
>> S . N . I . P . Maybe ELSA?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jim P
>> WAR EAGLE
>
> The effort you describe could possibly lead to Experimental - Amateur Built not
ELSA.
>
> Above worth what you paid for it.....
>
> --------
> George Alexander
> FS II R503 N709FS
> http://www.oh2fly.net
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464264#464264
>
>
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