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5. 03:58 PM - Re: Firefly brakes (Herb)
6. 04:24 PM - Re: Firefly brakes (Larry Cottrell)
7. 04:51 PM - Re: Firefly brakes (Richard Pike)
8. 04:51 PM - Re: Firefly brakes (Richard Pike)
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| Subject: | Re: looking for KOLB Mark III |
Hello Jimmy,
Would you be interested in a Kolb MkIII Xtra?
My Xtra is available as I have another project I am working on.
It has a Jabiru 2200 and I have approx 100Hrs on the aircraft.
It has the longer steel legs and EFIS and ICOM a220 and a transponder.
I can sell the plane without the engine, if that would interest you. I also could
sell a trailer with the aircraft.
I hanger and fly the plane in Hollister, Ca.
If interested pls email me at fducker@aol.com or (408)802-4896.
I'm not in a hurry to sell, the plane is very fun to Fly, I just have too many
toys.
FrankD
N1014S, MkIII Xtra.
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While visiting Herb to pick up a front piece of Firefly cage, he showed us some
bicycle disc brakes he was puttering with, and we decided to give that idea a
try. If you look on ebay, there are a lot of low cost bicycle cable operated
disc brake sets available, we got one set (identical front & rear) for $33 including
shipping. At that price, why not?
First picture is the Original 1985 Firestar wheel barrow wheels. Actually pretty
light. Spent some big bucks and put in real bearings.
The hardest part (and it cost more than the whole brake set did!) was getting the
mounts formed to shape by a muffler shop. Trued them up as best we could, welded
a mounting plate on, and attached the disc to them. Runout turned out to
be really good!
This is how it looks all together, they have plenty of grip, just hoping they don't
tend to grab. Added about 3 pounds total weight weight to the wheels.
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Kingsport, TN 3TN0
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly brakes |
Very nice Job! I had originally bought a set of the bicycle brakes for my Firefly
but ended up giving up and going withe the way too expensive hydraulic brakes.
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly brakes |
Kolb flyer please, =C2- i am loomi g for a kolb flyer . I would like to c
onvert it to a electric plane
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On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 5:11 PM, Richard Pike<thegreybaron@charter.net> w
er.net>
While visiting Herb to pick up a front piece of Firefly cage, he showed us
some bicycle disc brakes he was puttering with, and we decided to give that
idea a try. If you look on ebay, there are a lot of low cost bicycle cable
operated disc brake sets available, we got one set (identical front & rear
) for $33 including shipping. At that price, why not?
First picture is the Original 1985 Firestar wheel barrow wheels. Actually p
retty light. Spent some big bucks and put in real bearings.
The hardest part (and it cost more than the whole brake set did!) was getti
ng the mounts formed to shape by a muffler shop. Trued them up as best we c
ould, welded a mounting plate on, and attached the disc to them. Runout tur
ned out to be really good!
This is how it looks all together, they have plenty of grip, just hoping th
ey don't tend to grab. Added about 3 pounds total weight weight to the whee
ls.
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Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly brakes |
Richard...you do good work.. :-)
I used those rims for the first Firefly...but procured a set of very
true aluminum ones for the second...Having a lathe allowed me to turn a
spool..and move the rear wheel bearing into it..I then made a calliper
holder that attached to the big washer that comes welded to the Firefly
axle... By the time that I built the second set...I had collected 4 or 5
sets of front disk brakes from my favorite place to shop, the salvage
yard.....Little ugly with one cable facing the front of the calliper and
the other to the rear..
One thing to be aware of ..the cable run allows too much stretch if
it is of small diameter.. My first set were shimano since my son worked
for an outdoors company..They were a little pricy...39 dollars... Others
, I get for a buck or two..
Too...I think ,haven't checked in a while...the Chinese offer
hydraulic versions ... My trouble with hydraulics over the years...is
there are usually leaks...:-) Though I replaced 3 out of 4 brake lines
on my old Crown Vic...nary a leak! Getting better with age I guess..
though other things leak!! :-) Herb
On 02/12/2017 04:11 PM, Richard Pike wrote:
>
> While visiting Herb to pick up a front piece of Firefly cage, he showed us some
bicycle disc brakes he was puttering with, and we decided to give that idea
a try. If you look on ebay, there are a lot of low cost bicycle cable operated
disc brake sets available, we got one set (identical front & rear) for $33 including
shipping. At that price, why not?
> First picture is the Original 1985 Firestar wheel barrow wheels. Actually pretty
light. Spent some big bucks and put in real bearings.
> The hardest part (and it cost more than the whole brake set did!) was getting
the mounts formed to shape by a muffler shop. Trued them up as best we could,
welded a mounting plate on, and attached the disc to them. Runout turned out
to be really good!
> This is how it looks all together, they have plenty of grip, just hoping they
don't tend to grab. Added about 3 pounds total weight weight to the wheels.
>
> --------
> Richard Pike
> Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> Kingsport, TN 3TN0
>
> Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is wonderful.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly brakes |
Although I don't have any thing directly to contribute to this thread, I
would like to make an observation concerning Hydraulic and friction brakes.
I recently went through a rather lengthy process of changing from friction
to Hydraulic, and thanks to contributions from John Hauck, John Bickham and
the special help from Boyd eventually made the change over.
I had originally changed the stock 4 inch drum brakes to 5 inch O'Brian
drum brakes which had been set up to individual hand brakes on the stick. I
thought that the Hyd. would give me more braking, so I decided to change. I
put a substantial chunk of change into the conversion, not to mention a lot
of time. The finished product is actually no better than what I had, plus
the potential for maintenance problems are much higher. I am just glad that
I had such good friends or I would have been severely disappointed, both
mentally and financially. Would I do it again- NOPE!
FWIW
Larry
On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 4:50 PM, Herb <Herbgh@nctc.com> wrote:
>
> Richard...you do good work.. :-)
>
> I used those rims for the first Firefly...but procured a set of very true
> aluminum ones for the second...Having a lathe allowed me to turn a
> spool..and move the rear wheel bearing into it..I then made a calliper
> holder that attached to the big washer that comes welded to the Firefly
> axle... By the time that I built the second set...I had collected 4 or 5
> sets of front disk brakes from my favorite place to shop, the salvage
> yard.....Little ugly with one cable facing the front of the calliper and
> the other to the rear..
>
> One thing to be aware of ..the cable run allows too much stretch if it
> is of small diameter.. My first set were shimano since my son worked for an
> outdoors company..They were a little pricy...39 dollars... Others , I get
> for a buck or two..
>
> Too...I think ,haven't checked in a while...the Chinese offer hydraulic
> versions ... My trouble with hydraulics over the years...is there are
> usually leaks...:-) Though I replaced 3 out of 4 brake lines on my old
> Crown Vic...nary a leak! Getting better with age I guess.. though other
> things leak!! :-) Herb
>
>
> On 02/12/2017 04:11 PM, Richard Pike wrote:
>
>> >
>>
>> While visiting Herb to pick up a front piece of Firefly cage, he showed
>> us some bicycle disc brakes he was puttering with, and we decided to give
>> that idea a try. If you look on ebay, there are a lot of low cost bicycle
>> cable operated disc brake sets available, we got one set (identical front &
>> rear) for $33 including shipping. At that price, why not?
>> First picture is the Original 1985 Firestar wheel barrow wheels. Actually
>> pretty light. Spent some big bucks and put in real bearings.
>> The hardest part (and it cost more than the whole brake set did!) was
>> getting the mounts formed to shape by a muffler shop. Trued them up as best
>> we could, welded a mounting plate on, and attached the disc to them. Runout
>> turned out to be really good!
>> This is how it looks all together, they have plenty of grip, just hoping
>> they don't tend to grab. Added about 3 pounds total weight weight to the
>> wheels.
>>
>> --------
>> Richard Pike
>> Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>> Kingsport, TN 3TN0
>>
>> Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is wonderful.
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly brakes |
Thanks for the comments. We had originally thought of skipping brakes to save weight.
Then considered rigging a small lever pad to push on the tail wheel, just
to keep it from rolling along on a paved ramp when the engine is at idle. If
we did that, we would obviously be going with absolute minimal weight & brakes.
And if it comes out really close to Part 103 specs, and needs just 2 or 3
pounds less to make the difference, we may end up going with that.
We are not expecting these brakes to be real great, OTOH if it turns out to be
a real U/L, it shouldn't need much brakes.
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Kingsport, TN 3TN0
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly brakes |
Thanks for the comments. We had originally thought of skipping brakes to save weight.
Then considered rigging a small lever pad to push on the tail wheel, just
to keep it from rolling along on a paved ramp when the engine is at idle. If
we did that, we would obviously be going with absolute minimal weight & brakes.
And if it comes out really close to Part 103 specs, and needs just 2 or 3
pounds less to make the difference, we may end up going with that.
We are not expecting these brakes to be real great, OTOH if it turns out to be
a real U/L, it shouldn't need much brakes.
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly brakes |
Larry
I have a set of Hydraulic Tracy O'Brien floating disk brakes on my J3
Kitten...Seems as if they are 5 to 600 bucks? Is that similar ? I
didn't buy them however..:-) By now you guys likely know that!!
I can handle the physical part but the mental part would put me in
company with guys in white jackets!! :-)
With the Firefly...all I wanted them to do was to hold up to 4500 to
5k rpm on runup. beyond that , they would allow the Fly to creep.
Originally, I had independent heel brakes, for it was always
embarrassing to stop at the end of a
narrow field, get out and lift the tail boom... I had trouble landing
with the brakes on...so I went back to a lever on the joystick.. The
heel brakes cost me a scratch and dent nose cone..Travis had one where
the instrument panel had
debonded..100 bucks...Miss ole Travis!! :-) worked out great for I
could remove the panel very easily... always a full enclosure on my
flys...and they usually came in around 290...lbs
Travis was true salesman...I rarely left there with the same amount
of hundred dollar bills that I had when I came ...On the way. home...I
would say...now!! why did I buy that?? :-) Herb
On 02/12/2017 06:23 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote:
> Although I don't have any thing directly to contribute to this thread,
> I would like to make an observation concerning Hydraulic and friction
> brakes. I recently went through a rather lengthy process of changing
> from friction to Hydraulic, and thanks to contributions from John
> Hauck, John Bickham and the special help from Boyd eventually made the
> change over.
>
> I had originally changed the stock 4 inch drum brakes to 5 inch
> O'Brian drum brakes which had been set up to individual hand brakes on
> the stick. I thought that the Hyd. would give me more braking, so I
> decided to change. I put a substantial chunk of change into the
> conversion, not to mention a lot of time. The finished product is
> actually no better than what I had, plus the potential for maintenance
> problems are much higher. I am just glad that I had such good friends
> or I would have been severely disappointed, both mentally and
> financially. Would I do it again- NOPE!
>
> FWIW
> Larry
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 4:50 PM, Herb <Herbgh@nctc.com
> <mailto:Herbgh@nctc.com>> wrote:
>
> <mailto:Herbgh@nctc.com>>
>
> Richard...you do good work.. :-)
>
> I used those rims for the first Firefly...but procured a set of
> very true aluminum ones for the second...Having a lathe allowed
> me to turn a spool..and move the rear wheel bearing into it..I
> then made a calliper holder that attached to the big washer that
> comes welded to the Firefly axle... By the time that I built the
> second set...I had collected 4 or 5 sets of front disk brakes from
> my favorite place to shop, the salvage yard.....Little ugly with
> one cable facing the front of the calliper and the other to the rear..
>
> One thing to be aware of ..the cable run allows too much stretch
> if it is of small diameter.. My first set were shimano since my
> son worked for an outdoors company..They were a little pricy...39
> dollars... Others , I get for a buck or two..
>
> Too...I think ,haven't checked in a while...the Chinese offer
> hydraulic versions ... My trouble with hydraulics over the
> years...is there are usually leaks...:-) Though I replaced 3
> out of 4 brake lines on my old Crown Vic...nary a leak! Getting
> better with age I guess.. though other things leak!! :-) Herb
>
>
> On 02/12/2017 04:11 PM, Richard Pike wrote:
>
> <thegreybaron@charter.net <mailto:thegreybaron@charter.net>>
>
> While visiting Herb to pick up a front piece of Firefly cage,
> he showed us some bicycle disc brakes he was puttering with,
> and we decided to give that idea a try. If you look on ebay,
> there are a lot of low cost bicycle cable operated disc brake
> sets available, we got one set (identical front & rear) for
> $33 including shipping. At that price, why not?
> First picture is the Original 1985 Firestar wheel barrow
> wheels. Actually pretty light. Spent some big bucks and put in
> real bearings.
> The hardest part (and it cost more than the whole brake set
> did!) was getting the mounts formed to shape by a muffler
> shop. Trued them up as best we could, welded a mounting plate
> on, and attached the disc to them. Runout turned out to be
> really good!
> This is how it looks all together, they have plenty of grip,
> just hoping they don't tend to grab. Added about 3 pounds
> total weight weight to the wheels.
>
> --------
> Richard Pike
> Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> Kingsport, TN 3TN0
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly brakes |
Richard
Guess Bryan has told you all the tricks to make 103.. 4 inch nylon
wheels,very light, wooden prop,second coat of poly brush mixed with
similar amount of Poly spray... so on ..
Not all that sure...but it may be that the original Firefly used .028
cro molly? I think it is all 035 now? The leading and trailing edge
aluminum on the Ultra star was quite thin...most of the hinge attach
points would have a pucker outward . Noticeable when rebuilding...
Likely not used on the first Fireflys however...
Jack Hart is the authority on this subject..saving an ounce here and
there...Herb
On 02/12/2017 06:51 PM, Richard Pike wrote:
>
> Thanks for the comments. We had originally thought of skipping brakes to save
weight. Then considered rigging a small lever pad to push on the tail wheel,
just to keep it from rolling along on a paved ramp when the engine is at idle.
If we did that, we would obviously be going with absolute minimal weight & brakes.
And if it comes out really close to Part 103 specs, and needs just 2 or
3 pounds less to make the difference, we may end up going with that.
> We are not expecting these brakes to be real great, OTOH if it turns out to be
a real U/L, it shouldn't need much brakes.
>
> --------
> Richard Pike
> Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> Kingsport, TN 3TN0
>
> Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is wonderful.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly brakes |
brubakermal(at)yahoo.com wrote:
> Kolb flyer please, I am looking for a kolb flyer . I would like to convert it
to a electric plane
>
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Here ye be Mal - always glad to help: http://www.ebay.com/itm/UltraLight-Ultra-Light-Aircraft-Airplane-Twin-Engine-Possible-KOLB-Flyer-/302220414386?hash=item465dbd8db2:g:1bkAAOSwjDZYiAlV&vxp=mtr
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