---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 02/24/17: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:06 PM - Re: second chantz chutes (flywithme) 2. 02:17 PM - Re: Re: second chantz chutes (william sullivan) 3. 02:55 PM - Hobbs meter? (Richard Pike) 4. 03:09 PM - Re: Hobbs meter? (Herb) 5. 03:18 PM - Re: Hobbs meter? (John Hauck) 6. 03:29 PM - Re: Hobbs meter? (John Hauck) 7. 04:01 PM - Re: Hobbs meter? (George Alexander) 8. 04:10 PM - Re: Hobbs meter? (B Young) 9. 06:07 PM - Re: Hobbs meter? (Richard Pike) 10. 06:39 PM - Re: Re: Hobbs meter? (Charlie England) 11. 07:08 PM - Re: Hobbs meter? (Richard Pike) 12. 08:28 PM - Re: Re: Hobbs meter? (Charlie England) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:06:21 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: second chantz chutes From: "flywithme" I think since he has used email and is across state lines and you mailed him a check that he cashed you can involve the US Postal inspector. and they Will get his attention. i had to do this once on an Ebay fraud and it worked. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466602#466602 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:17:05 PM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: second chantz chutes Agreed. postal inspectors don't have a sense of humor. do not archive -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 2/24/17, flywithme wrote: Subject: Kolb-List: Re: second chantz chutes To: kolb-list@matronics.com Date: Friday, February 24, 2017, 5:06 PM "flywithme" I think since he has used email and is across state lines and you mailed him a check that he cashed you can involve the US Postal inspector. and they Will get his attention. i had to do this once on an Ebay fraud and it worked. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466602#466602 Forum - - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - MATRONICS LIST WIKI - List Contribution Web Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:55:38 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Hobbs meter? From: "Richard Pike" Not planning any electrical system for the Firefly, but would like to hook up a Hobbs meter. We already have one that came with the wreck that shows the actual time of the 447, and our current panel has a cutout for it. But I do not know how to make it work w/o a 12V system. Anybody know how? Here's a couple pictures - engine is on the mounts, piddling with the panel. Pictures are not that great. At least they are not too big... -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is wonderful. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466606#466606 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1050711_medium_436.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1050710_medium_195.jpg ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:09:13 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hobbs meter? From: Herb Hey Richard... Looking super!! Mig or tig? Herb On 02/24/2017 04:55 PM, Richard Pike wrote: > > Not planning any electrical system for the Firefly, but would like to hook up a Hobbs meter. We already have one that came with the wreck that shows the actual time of the 447, and our current panel has a cutout for it. > But I do not know how to make it work w/o a 12V system. Anybody know how? > > Here's a couple pictures - engine is on the mounts, piddling with the panel. Pictures are not that great. At least they are not too big... > > -------- > Richard Pike > Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > Kingsport, TN 3TN0 > > Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is wonderful. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466606#466606 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1050711_medium_436.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1050710_medium_195.jpg > > -- "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies give way to tyranny." Aristotle ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:18:00 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Hobbs meter? If it is an actual Hobbs Hour Meter it should be good for 112 to 60 vdc. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Pike Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 4:55 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Hobbs meter? --> Not planning any electrical system for the Firefly, but would like to hook up a Hobbs meter. We already have one that came with the wreck that shows the actual time of the 447, and our current panel has a cutout for it. But I do not know how to make it work w/o a 12V system. Anybody know how? Here's a couple pictures - engine is on the mounts, piddling with the panel. Pictures are not that great. At least they are not too big... -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is wonderful. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466606#466606 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1050711_medium_436.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1050710_medium_195.jpg ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:29:55 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Hobbs meter? Had a typo in my last msg. Should have read 12-60vdc. john -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hauck Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 5:18 PM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Hobbs meter? If it is an actual Hobbs Hour Meter it should be good for 112 to 60 vdc. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Pike Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 4:55 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Hobbs meter? --> Not planning any electrical system for the Firefly, but would like to hook up a Hobbs meter. We already have one that came with the wreck that shows the actual time of the 447, and our current panel has a cutout for it. But I do not know how to make it work w/o a 12V system. Anybody know how? Here's a couple pictures - engine is on the mounts, piddling with the panel. Pictures are not that great. At least they are not too big... -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is wonderful. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466606#466606 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1050711_medium_436.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1050710_medium_195.jpg ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:01:44 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Hobbs meter? From: "George Alexander" Richard Pike wrote: > (SNIP)Not planning any electrical system for the Firefly, but would like to hook up a Hobbs meter. (SNIP) > > But I do not know how to make it work w/o a 12V system. Anybody know how? > Richard: Can't remember the size/value, but I had a setup like you want using a small diode/rectifier (from Radio Shack) and picked up the lighting coil. Like John Hauck said, the Hobbs doesn't require a precise voltage level or pure DC. Worth what you paid for it as always.... -------- George Alexander FS II R503 N709FS http://www.oh2fly.net Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466614#466614 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:10:10 PM PST US From: B Young Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hobbs meter? Look for a battery powered Timer Boyd On Feb 24, 2017 3:57 PM, "Richard Pike" wrote: > > Not planning any electrical system for the Firefly, but would like to hook > up a Hobbs meter. We already have one that came with the wreck that shows > the actual time of the 447, and our current panel has a cutout for it. > But I do not know how to make it work w/o a 12V system. Anybody know how? > > Here's a couple pictures - engine is on the mounts, piddling with the > panel. Pictures are not that great. At least they are not too big... > > -------- > Richard Pike > Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > Kingsport, TN 3TN0 > > Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is wonderful. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466606#466606 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1050711_medium_436.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1050710_medium_195.jpg > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:07:27 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Hobbs meter? From: "Richard Pike" Neglected to mention in the original post that this is the original 1985 model 447 that came with a new (1985) Firestar back in the day, so it has the single points ignition/lighting coil/charging coil. Also - since the earlier post, started cutting apart the original wiring harness and discovered a diode with obvious connectors that would hook up to the Hobbs/hour meter. I am guessing I would attach those to the charging coil rather than the lighting coil, because all I want is the pulse, and not a lot of voltage. Also, I assume that if I hook it up to the hour meter and nothing happens, since it is a diode, all I need to do is swap the connectors? Thanks for all the help so far! -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is wonderful. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466617#466617 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:39:05 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Hobbs meter? From: Charlie England On 2/24/2017 8:07 PM, Richard Pike wrote: > > Neglected to mention in the original post that this is the original 1985 model 447 that came with a new (1985) Firestar back in the day, so it has the single points ignition/lighting coil/charging coil. > Also - since the earlier post, started cutting apart the original wiring harness and discovered a diode with obvious connectors that would hook up to the Hobbs/hour meter. I am guessing I would attach those to the charging coil rather than the lighting coil, because all I want is the pulse, and not a lot of voltage. Also, I assume that if I hook it up to the hour meter and nothing happens, since it is a diode, all I need to do is swap the connectors? > Thanks for all the help so far! > > -------- > Richard Pike > Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Richard, I can't really see what model you've got, but all the actual Hobbs meters I've ever played with are simple clocks, that run when you apply voltage (for instance, through an oil pressure switch, or a landing gear 'squat switch'). Are you thinking about something like a Tiny Tach, that has its own battery but senses ignition pulses? Charlie ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:08:19 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Hobbs meter? From: "Richard Pike" Tiny Tach is great, I have one on my MKIII, but it is bigger than a Hobbs, and we need something to cover the hole where the original Hobbs was in the panel. No way the Tiny Tach will fit. Not to mention that I would need to figure out how to add 216 hours to it.... Talked to the original owner of our Firestar a while ago, and he seemed to remember that he got that diode from Kolb, and they told him how to hook it up. But he wasn't sure... (Grin) Will try hooking the Hobbs up to the charging coil, through the diode, and see what happens. -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is wonderful. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466619#466619 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1050713_medium_189.jpg ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:28:52 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Hobbs meter? From: Charlie England I didn't think that was a pic of a Tiny Tach, but I wondered if your mixing up how the two devices function. Good luck with it, Charlie On 2/24/2017 9:08 PM, Richard Pike wrote: > > Tiny Tach is great, I have one on my MKIII, but it is bigger than a Hobbs, and we need something to cover the hole where the original Hobbs was in the panel. No way the Tiny Tach will fit. Not to mention that I would need to figure out how to add 216 hours to it.... > Talked to the original owner of our Firestar a while ago, and he seemed to remember that he got that diode from Kolb, and they told him how to hook it up. But he wasn't sure... (Grin) > Will try hooking the Hobbs up to the charging coil, through the diode, and see what happens. > > -------- > Richard Pike > Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > Kingsport, TN 3TN0 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.